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Yesterday i went to take a look at my currently tenanted 4rm flat cos i taking back the keys soon....
the purpose of my visit was to assess the situation and decide my NEXT move..i.e continue renting out the apt or reno and move in...
CONCLUSION...In its present state i think my 4rm flat would be highly suitable to be rented out to a family of COCKROACHES:eek:....well i mean with left over food all over the place and things strewn here and there if would be a paradise for a family of cockroaches...if they could afford to pay me $2k plus a month..:cool:
ANYWAY bottomline..MY APT is TOTally destroyed and i dont think i can salvage anything...:banghead:
So ANY would be landlords the problem is VERY REAL please keep and eye on your VALUED properties if you are renting out...:rolleyes:
After the visit the soles of my FEET were STICKY...URGHHHH:banghead:
Only consolation is my last major reno was 15 years ago and my apt been rented for 5 years so i dont feel so bad....PLUS its an almost 30 year OLD flat
so looks like back to HDB for me cos i not going to spend $30k on renos to rent it out to be wrecked again(this time it will be painful)
now i know why agents advertise NO Indians/PRC...:(
Yesterday i went to take a look at my currently tenanted 4rm flat cos i taking back the keys soon....
the purpose of my visit was to assess the situation and decide my NEXT move..i.e continue renting out the apt or reno and move in...
CONCLUSION...In its present state i think my 4rm flat would be highly suitable to be rented out to a family of COCKROACHES:eek:....well i mean with left over food all over the place and things strewn here and there if would be a paradise for a family of cockroaches...if they could afford to pay me $2k plus a month..:cool:
ANYWAY bottomline..MY APT is TOTally destroyed and i dont think i can salvage anything...:banghead:
So ANY would be landlords the problem is VERY REAL please keep and eye on your VALUED properties if you are renting out...:rolleyes:
After the visit the soles of my FEET were STICKY...URGHHHH:banghead:
Only consolation is my last major reno was 15 years ago and my apt been rented for 5 years so i dont feel so bad....PLUS its an almost 30 year OLD flat
so looks like back to HDB for me cos i not going to spend $30k on renos to rent it out to be wrecked again(this time it will be painful)
now i know why agents advertise NO Indians/PRC...:(
Install camera? Heard stories of many horrible tenants, including those from my relatives. I suppose you won't do the same thing to your landlord's house.
You have the right to use the 2-month rental deposit to make good the place to original state. It can be repainting, cleaning, etc.
Yesterday i went to take a look at my currently tenanted 4rm flat cos i taking back the keys soon....
the purpose of my visit was to assess the situation and decide my NEXT move..i.e continue renting out the apt or reno and move in...
CONCLUSION...In its present state i think my 4rm flat would be highly suitable to be rented out to a family of COCKROACHES:eek:....well i mean with left over food all over the place and things strewn here and there if would be a paradise for a family of cockroaches...if they could afford to pay me $2k plus a month..:cool:
ANYWAY bottomline..MY APT is TOTally destroyed and i dont think i can salvage anything...:banghead:
So ANY would be landlords the problem is VERY REAL please keep and eye on your VALUED properties if you are renting out...:rolleyes:
After the visit the soles of my FEET were STICKY...URGHHHH:banghead:
Only consolation is my last major reno was 15 years ago and my apt been rented for 5 years so i dont feel so bad....PLUS its an almost 30 year OLD flat
so looks like back to HDB for me cos i not going to spend $30k on renos to rent it out to be wrecked again(this time it will be painful)
now i know why agents advertise NO Indians/PRC...:(
Make use of the 2-month rental deposit. The last time one of my tenants damaged my place (PRC couple), we deducted the majority of the deposit. Take photos and keep as evidence in case they question the deductions.
You have the right to use the 2-month rental deposit to make good the place to original state. It can be repainting, cleaning, etc.
Yes, I would usually confiscate part of the 2mth deposit to offset any damages or restoration works, but I also do come across some tenants who were really nice and took good care of my house, and I returned them the full deposits.
One of the most common problem I faced would be unsightly nail holes on the wall (even if they bother to putty and repaint it, usually the job is badly done)
In order to ensure I could command for a decent or even higher rental, I would typically keep my house vacant for 1mth or so that I hv the time to reno, refurb and restore it back to tip top condition. Once ready, I would also make use of the chance to invite family friends over for a party to catch up with them and bring in the 人气.
choose your tenant properly next time..
eg. lawyer, doctor, trader :cool:
choose your tenant properly next time..
eg. lawyer, doctor, trader :cool:
How many of the above 3 professions mentioned will want to rent a old HDB?
Can try to compute the downtime of unit to be rented out and deduct the deposit especially if it is a major renovation to reinstate it to the original state.
Yes, I would usually confiscate part of the 2mth deposit to offset any damages or restoration works, but I also do come across some tenants who were really nice and took good care of my house, and I returned them the full deposits.
One of the most common problem I faced would be unsightly nail holes on the wall (even if they bother to putty and repaint it, usually the job is badly done)
In order to ensure I could command for a decent or even higher rental, I would typically keep my house vacant for 1mth or so that I hv the time to reno, refurb and restore it back to tip top condition. Once ready, I would also make use of the chance to invite family friends over for a party to catch up with them and bring in the 人气.
How many of the above 3 professions mentioned will want to rent a old HDB?
Sometimes you don't know if they need some privacy just like some chief in a Clementi flat.
They prefer to rent landed property as they will drive their cars into the driveway. HDB flats are too exposed. .
Sometimes you don't know if they need some privacy just like some chief in a Clementi flat.
How many of the above 3 professions mentioned will want to rent a old HDB?
yea..in fact, very unlikely to see the 3 of those living in HDB la.. :D
rent to specific country pple like indo chinese, probably..
:D
Yesterday i went to take a look at my currently tenanted 4rm flat cos i taking back the keys soon....
the purpose of my visit was to assess the situation and decide my NEXT move..i.e continue renting out the apt or reno and move in...
CONCLUSION...In its present state i think my 4rm flat would be highly suitable to be rented out to a family of COCKROACHES:eek:....well i mean with left over food all over the place and things strewn here and there if would be a paradise for a family of cockroaches...if they could afford to pay me $2k plus a month..:cool:
ANYWAY bottomline..MY APT is TOTally destroyed and i dont think i can salvage anything...:banghead:
So ANY would be landlords the problem is VERY REAL please keep and eye on your VALUED properties if you are renting out...:rolleyes:
After the visit the soles of my FEET were STICKY...URGHHHH:banghead:
Only consolation is my last major reno was 15 years ago and my apt been rented for 5 years so i dont feel so bad....PLUS its an almost 30 year OLD flat
so looks like back to HDB for me cos i not going to spend $30k on renos to rent it out to be wrecked again(this time it will be painful)
now i know why agents advertise NO Indians/PRC...:(
Nn choice, Wat done is done... Just use part of the earning , or deduct the deposit if you can built up the case, to acid wash and repaint the whole Hse..
Painting using single or 2 color will not cost much.. I have become nn feeling aft some time...
Only rent to indo Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Taiwanese, n honkies maybe ang mo. The rest, no way esp students, or all man. Must rent to a family or all ladies only.
Only rent to indo Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Taiwanese, n honkies maybe ang mo. The rest, no way esp students, or all man. Must rent to a family or all ladies only.
intro kind hearted + decent looking girl to me , can? :o
House for rent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vjgGowOyYg
Only rent to indo Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Taiwanese, n honkies maybe ang mo. The rest, no way esp students, or all man. Must rent to a family or all ladies only.
I would prefer angmoh cos I think they have more pride and would typically not go down into the finer details when negotiating on the price or compensation of damages. Last wk I took over my hse from an angmoh tenant, and as I loosely quoted him the compensations for each and every of the damages, he only had one standard response "That's fine".
I had a prev tenant from xxxxx who harassed me non stop with vulgar smses for close to 2 mths when I confiscated part of her deposits for the repairs. Some of the terrible things she did to the house include installing handle knobs onto my ID tv console cabinets without my consent (the hse was brand new then and it spoiled my ID original concept and design) , installing water jet in the bathroom which resulted in leakage and she went back her hometown and MIA for 3mths without paying rental, and the entire bedroom parquet floor was covered with a new layer of "white carpet" (read as MOLD).
I would prefer angmoh cos I think they have more pride and would typically not go down into the finer details when negotiating on the price or compensation of damages. Last wk I took over my hse from an angmoh tenant, and as I loosely quoted him the compensations for each and every of the damages, he only had one standard response "That's fine".
I had a prev tenant from xxxxx who harassed me non stop with vulgar smses for close to 2 mths when I confiscated part of her deposits for the repairs. Some of the terrible things she did to the house include installing handle knobs onto my ID tv console cabinets without my consent (the hse was brand new then and it spoiled my ID original concept and design) , installing water jet in the bathroom which resulted in leakage and she went back her hometown and MIA for 3mths without paying rental, and the entire bedroom parquet floor was covered with a new layer of "white carpet" (read as MOLD).
wah kao!
i think must get female + decent job occupation eg. accountant, senior position
then can get decent tenant..:ashamed1:
wah kao!
i think must get female + decent job occupation eg. accountant, senior position
then can get decent tenant..:ashamed1:
Haha u know what, the terrible tenants I mentioned were actually a pair of mother and daughter. The mum is a taitai, v eloquent, sharp tongued and modernly dressed, and the daughter is a specialist at NUH!
Other damages i could recall include cooker hob nob fell off and she threw it away, kitchen floor tiles cracked, and choking my washer with a 50cent coin. Best part is that she denied all these damages claiming that she seldom stay in the house and didn't get to use them. But facts are facts and she can't deny she was the first occupant of my just TOPed unit back then
It is not about nationality, male or female. It boils down to the person. I have two three existing tenants: female Chinese, male French; and male British. They have all paid their rent on time and kept the place clean and tidy. If I were to rank them, the best are the two males. The Frenchman even use a part-time maid to help to clean the house and hardly cooks. The Briton hardly cooks. I must qualify that they are alone in a two-bedder apartment. The Chinese has a three pax in also a two bedder apartment but they cook. So the place is still tody but less tidy than the Briton and French. Have rented to Aussie, Indian, Japanese, American and Nigerian. The worst is the Nigerian. Did not pay rent on time and always brings different women home. Got rid of him.
I would prefer angmoh cos I think they have more pride and would typically not go down into the finer details when negotiating on the price or compensation of damages. Last wk I took over my hse from an angmoh tenant, and as I loosely quoted him the compensations for each and every of the damages, he only had one standard response "That's fine".
I had a prev tenant from xxxxx who harassed me non stop with vulgar smses for close to 2 mths when I confiscated part of her deposits for the repairs. Some of the terrible things she did to the house include installing handle knobs onto my ID tv console cabinets without my consent (the hse was brand new then and it spoiled my ID original concept and design) , installing water jet in the bathroom which resulted in leakage and she went back her hometown and MIA for 3mths without paying rental, and the entire bedroom parquet floor was covered with a new layer of "white carpet" (read as MOLD).
Indo Chinese also the same. Never bargain
I'm glad I hv got good tenants so far
wa come think of it...actually quite risky if get those tenant to your property. You collect one yr rent and maybe that is enough for you to do a major reno when they leave...
I think the agent can help to screen the tenant?? They get one month as comm right? whats their responsibility?
Haha u know what, the terrible tenants I mentioned were actually a pair of mother and daughter. The mum is a taitai, v eloquent, sharp tongued and modernly dressed, and the daughter is a specialist at NUH!
Other damages i could recall include cooker hob nob fell off and she threw it away, kitchen floor tiles cracked, and choking my washer with a 50cent coin. Best part is that she denied all these damages claiming that she seldom stay in the house and didn't get to use them. But facts are facts and she can't deny she was the first occupant of my just TOPed unit back then
Hearing all these horror stories, I am having second thoughts abt renting out my flat for the 1 year that I am overseas. My flat was renovated just 2 years ago and all the furniture and appliances are new and carefully maintained. Wonder if it is worth the 2k plus that I get per month for renting it out. Any advice?
Is it ok to do spot checks on your apartment? Or will it intrude to the tennant's privacy?
:beats-me-man:
I think renting out your apartment is like employing a maid, "heng" or "suay". How to tell whether someone has good living habits or considerate unless you have lived with him/her for a while?
But I think, yah, the best bet is to avoid certain categories of people, just to be on the safe side.
I suppose you won't do the same thing to your landlord's house.
never ever my wife is a cleanliness freak..she ask the maid to scrub the floors every other day...and i would never abuse whats not mine...;)
You have the right to use the 2-month rental deposit to make good the place to original state. It can be repainting, cleaning, etc.
yup i know that but honestly its not that the walls or dirty or things are broken its just that house is so messy...probably a good cleanup would do the job...and i am not the type to hassle people over things like this plus i was already thinking to do a major reno..so will leave it at that....but for me its a good lesson and i would like to share my experience with all the good bros/sis here...:)
How many of the above 3 professions mentioned will want to rent a old HDB?
you would be suprised nowadays got low end doctors from overseas...filipinos...burmese...:D
Only rent to indo Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Taiwanese, n honkies maybe ang mo. The rest, no way esp students, or all man. Must rent to a family or all ladies only.
your right my previous tenant was air stewardess..NOT the BIMBO type but educated type...super happy with hw they took care of my house:D
During my uni days, when I visited my hostel mates of certain nationality (don't want to mention) in his room, I stepped inside and I thought I was stepping onto glue... the whole place was so so sticky I don't even dare to imagine why was it so... hmmm... so what you experienced is not unique.. :p
I would prefer angmoh cos I think they have more pride and would typically not go down into the finer details when negotiating on the price or compensation of damages. Last wk I took over my hse from an angmoh tenant, and as I loosely quoted him the compensations for each and every of the damages, he only had one standard response "That's fine".
I had a prev tenant from xxxxx who harassed me non stop with vulgar smses for close to 2 mths when I confiscated part of her deposits for the repairs. Some of the terrible things she did to the house include installing handle knobs onto my ID tv console cabinets without my consent (the hse was brand new then and it spoiled my ID original concept and design) , installing water jet in the bathroom which resulted in leakage and she went back her hometown and MIA for 3mths without paying rental, and the entire bedroom parquet floor was covered with a new layer of "white carpet" (read as MOLD).
i feel for you..
Hearing all these horror stories, I am having second thoughts abt renting out my flat for the 1 year that I am overseas. My flat was renovated just 2 years ago and all the furniture and appliances are new and carefully maintained. Wonder if it is worth the 2k plus that I get per month for renting it out. Any advice?
its all about luck bro my first tenants were super...even invited me over for dinner/drinks but i politely turned down the offer cos my wife is jealous type...:D
I think renting out your apartment is like employing a maid, "heng" or "suay". How to tell whether someone has good living habits or considerate unless you have lived with him/her for a while?
But I think, yah, the best bet is to avoid certain categories of people, just to be on the safe side.
I like the way you put it non offensively yet direct to the point - avoid certain categories of people. LOL
So far this has been my worst experience, the rest of my tenants (Ang mohs and Malaysian Chinese) were all alright and didn't give me much headaches.
The kind of agents u get is also a Heng-suay kind of thingie... Some could be v responsible and helpful, while some simply bochap.
wildfaye29
09-06-12, 12:32
I say just keep renting out the old place. waste to Reno n rent out.
we have a new apartment n old apartment, both can fetch 5k. the old one is not dilapitated yet, still livable but old.
old man says got feelings wana Reno and move back, persuaded him not too cos it makes no sense to rent a spankig new plc to subject it to damages. further self stay new makes u feel song cos facilities r new, etc.
I like the way you put it non offensively yet direct to the point - avoid certain categories of people. LOL
So far this has been my worst experience, the rest of my tenants (Ang mohs and Malaysian Chinese) were all alright and didn't give me much headaches.
The kind of agents u get is also a Heng-suay kind of thingie... Some could be v responsible and helpful, while some simply bochap.
If agent does not provide good service, when can we terminate his/her service? Anytime?
I will face this problem in 3-4 years time when my condo TOP. I have not decided whether to sell my HDB flat. If I decide to rent it out, I will face this problem soon.
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
09-06-12, 13:18
Only rent to indo Chinese, Malaysian Chinese, Taiwanese, n honkies maybe ang mo. The rest, no way esp students, or all man. Must rent to a family or all ladies only.
Or gay men. :)
But hor, i know some very messy gay men too. Bo guarantee.
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
09-06-12, 13:25
yup i know that but honestly its not that the walls or dirty or things are broken its just that house is so messy...probably a good cleanup would do the job...and i am not the type to hassle people over things like this plus i was already thinking to do a major reno..so will leave it at that....but for me its a good lesson and i would like to share my experience with all the good bros/sis here...:)
To me, it should be run like a business. No emotions involved.
Thats why the adage is always true - never rent out your sole/treasured residence.
Therefore, no matter how dirty, food remains strewn everywhere, toilet not flushed frsh with poo and laosai, clothes and stuff hanging around, damages here and there, during spot checks, doesnt matter. As long when he hands back the keys, everything good as original condition barring reasonable wear and tear, i am ok. Mattresses and coat of paint to be replaced every two year tenancy anyway.
If agent does not provide good service, when can we terminate his/her service? Anytime?
I will face this problem in 3-4 years time when my condo TOP. I have not decided whether to sell my HDB flat. If I decide to rent it out, I will face this problem soon.
You will need to pay the agent his commission in full one month after u hand over the keys ... Money is already in his hand, so it's up to him whether he provides good service throughout the lease period to help u resolve issues brought up by the tenants. Some agents will bother cos they still want yr business during the renewal (another round of commission). Some agents bochap so I will not engage them again.
Some of my friends nv get to see their tenants and leave it entirely to the agent to do all the liaising. For me, I prefer to meet my tenants in person to assess them
Or gay men. :)
But hor, i know some very messy gay men too. Bo guarantee.
How to tell if the viewers are gay men or not har? U got lobang for gay tenants? Lol
How to tell if the viewers are gay men or not har? U got lobang for gay tenants? Lol
if u give electric and also receive electric....then u will know...:D i guess...
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
09-06-12, 13:44
How to tell if the viewers are gay men or not har? U got lobang for gay tenants? Lol
Many of my friends are staying on their own, most self owned properties. Sizeable portion still mummys boys staying with parents.
Telltale signs?
Two men with
- questionable body lang for each other eg. loves nudge nudge wink wink
- teases each other often
- uses the term dear on each other and even you or anybody for that matter
- or squabbles on end like a married couple (double confirm)
- loud dressing, if same colors, pattern etc = double confirm
- similar hairstyles, often avant garde or creative
- similar liking for tattoos all over (could be junkies mistaken for gay)
Single
- keeps looking at the male agent (if somewhat cute)
- very friendly like sister with female agent (even friendlier if agent is sweet looking)
- cold towards the butch looking female agent
- very particular about furnishing and finishing and fittings
- has tons of barang barang to move in
- has pet cat(s)
- loves to cook and needs a branded oven
- needs a dryer as cannot air all the kinky sexy underwear on the balcony
Ps: only for comic relief, pls dont flame me, its definitely generalisation and stereotypes
if u give electric and also receive electric....then u will know...:D i guess...
LOL!!! When I first read, I thought you literally meant giving electric appliances to the tenants.... I did encounter one agent who kept asking me whether I'm married or have gf or not, why buy condo don't wanna own stay etc. Usually the aunty agents would ask, but coming from a guy I thot tats interesting :D
Many of my friends are staying on their own, most self owned properties. Sizeable portion still mummys boys staying with parents.
Telltale signs?
Two men with
- questionable body lang for each other eg. loves nudge nudge wink wink
- teases each other often
- uses the term dear on each other and even you or anybody for that matter
- or squabbles on end like a married couple (double confirm)
- loud dressing, if same colors, pattern etc = double confirm
- similar hairstyles, often avant garde or creative
- similar liking for tattoos all over (could be junkies mistaken for gay)
Single
- keeps looking at the male agent (if somewhat cute)
- very friendly like sister with female agent (even friendlier if agent is sweet looking)
- cold towards the butch looking female agent
- very particular about furnishing and finishing and fittings
- has tons of barang barang to move in
- has pet cat(s)
- loves to cook and needs a branded oven
- needs a dryer as cannot air all the kinky sexy underwear on the balcony
Ps: only for comic relief, pls dont flame me, its definitely generalisation and stereotypes
Ok noted and thanks! I just hope the couple won't squabble and have cat fights in my house. Better than those with kids that drew my sofa cushions maciam abstract art.
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
09-06-12, 14:01
Ok noted and thanks! I just hope the couple won't squabble and have cat fights in my house. Better than those with kids that drew my sofa cushions maciam abstract art.
U mean u actually kena that?
My brand new white white leather sofa, after house warming, colleagues kids dunno do what one long line of blue mark across.... Never to be removed completely. Heart pain. But lucky is cheap sofa. Still, its brand new!
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
09-06-12, 14:02
LOL!!! When I first read, I thought you literally meant giving electric appliances to the tenants.... I did encounter one agent who kept asking me whether I'm married or have gf or not, why buy condo don't wanna own stay etc. Usually the aunty agents would ask, but coming from a guy I thot tats interesting :D
You must be quite studly. :ashamed1:
U mean u actually kena that?
My brand new white white leather sofa, after house warming, colleagues kids dunno do what one long line of blue mark across.... Never to be removed completely. Heart pain. But lucky is cheap sofa. Still, its brand new!
Ya, I kena drawings on the fabric portion of my sofa by the angmoh kid, luckily my mum recommended me Vanish and I have a super maid who is a perfectionist. She managed to remove the marks completely.
No la, I m not studly... :tongue3:
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
09-06-12, 16:04
Ya, I kena drawings on the fabric portion of my sofa by the angmoh kid, luckily my mum recommended me Vanish and I have a super maid who is a perfectionist. She managed to remove the marks completely.
No la, I m not studly... :tongue3:
Ok maybe boyish then
one of the aircon compressor kept having problem during the 1st year of contract and i as new landlord kept repairing it.. now it is having problem again, as landlord am i supposed to continue repairing?:doh:
one of the aircon compressor kept having problem during the 1st year of contract and i as new landlord kept repairing it.. now it is having problem again, as landlord am i supposed to continue repairing?:doh:
change the compressor and get yourself 5 yr warranty :D
one of the aircon compressor kept having problem during the 1st year of contract and i as new landlord kept repairing it.. now it is having problem again, as landlord am i supposed to continue repairing?:doh:
Depends on how old is the a/c ... If more than 15 yrs mabbe it's good to replace the entire sys, save u (and your tenant) headaches of frequent breakdowns. It's a big sum now but it's a long term investment
How to tell if the viewers are gay men or not har? U got lobang for gay tenants? Lol
smash / touch the backside of the guy...
see what is his reaction..
if he like it, he will feel shy & signal for more.. or be friend :scared-1:
that is my guess. :47:
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
10-06-12, 13:38
smash / touch the backside of the guy...
see what is his reaction..
if he like it, he will feel shy & signal for more.. or be friend :scared-1:
that is my guess. :47:
U r joking right, why risk kena punched in the face which is probably 90% likely to happen although gay men form almost 20% of all men in SG. The other 10 % is those gay men who dont like to be grab assed.
U mean u actually kena that?
My brand new white white leather sofa, after house warming, colleagues kids dunno do what one long line of blue mark across.... Never to be removed completely. Heart pain. But lucky is cheap sofa. Still, its brand new!
For my case, during my house warming, my colleague's son (quite big size) kept jumping on my bed (like an athletic),:doh: luckily my bed didn't give way.
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
10-06-12, 14:14
For my case, during my house warming, my colleague's son (quite big size) kept jumping on my bed (like an athletic),:doh: luckily my bed didn't give way.
Must be an expensive mattress/bed....
U r joking right, why risk kena punched in the face which is probably 90% likely to happen although gay men form almost 20% of all men in SG. The other 10 % is those gay men who dont like to be grab assed.
20% is a lot. It means for every 5 guys in this forum, 1 is a gay.
How do you come to that conclusion?
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
10-06-12, 20:44
20% is a lot. It means for every 5 guys in this forum, 1 is a gay.
How do you come to that conclusion?
No no, you cant interpolate this way. This forum is not an effective all encompassing representation of the whole SG.
20% is of course exaggeration, but not too far from researched proven statistics. With many men living with parents until quite a mature age plus a protective environment growing up, the factors can contribute further to insecurity before opposite sex and over-familiarity with members of the same sex.
Taken from plu.sg
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Kinsey Institute - Prevalence of homosexuality (1999)
This site gives a summary of various demographic studies to 1999. Smith (1991) classified 5-6% of adults as homosexual or bisexual since age 18. Taylor (1993) found more than 4% of men aged 16-50 and more than 3% of women in the same age group reporting a same-sex sexual partner in the previous five years.
Laumann et al (1994) found that 9% of men and 4% of women reported having engaged in at least one same-gender sexual activity since puberty. Given the identity category choices of heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or something else, 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women surveyed reported "some level of homosexual identity."*
Binson et al (1995) showed 5.3% of men reporting sexual activity with a same-gender partner since age 18. and 6.5% of men reporting sex with men during the previous five years. The highest prevalence was found* the 12 largest cities (14.4% since age 18) and among "highly educated" White males (10.8%).
Sells et al (1995) reported 6.2% of* males and 3.6% of* females with "sexual contact with someone of the same sex only or with both sexes in the previous five years," and 20.8% of U.S. males and 17.8% of U.S. females with some homosexual behavior or some homosexual attraction since age 15.*
Gonsierek et al (1995) reviewed the literature and critiqued surveys of homosexual activity from Kinsey in 1948 to the 1994 study by Laumann, et al. Because of the possible risks involved in self-disclosure, it is posited that the recurrent 2-5% for same-gender sexual behavior in the studies reviewed represents a minimum figure. They suggest that the current prevalence of predominant same-sex orientation is 4-17%.
So... what's your point?
Are 20% of men gay or not?... if not then don't simply hantam... anyhow let go...
No no, you cant interpolate this way. This forum is not an effective all encompassing representation of the whole SG.
20% is of course exaggeration, but not too far from researched proven statistics. With many men living with parents until quite a mature age plus a protective environment growing up, the factors can contribute further to insecurity before opposite sex and over-familiarity with members of the same sex.
Taken from plu.sg
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Kinsey Institute - Prevalence of homosexuality (1999)
This site gives a summary of various demographic studies to 1999. Smith (1991) classified 5-6% of adults as homosexual or bisexual since age 18. Taylor (1993) found more than 4% of men aged 16-50 and more than 3% of women in the same age group reporting a same-sex sexual partner in the previous five years.
Laumann et al (1994) found that 9% of men and 4% of women reported having engaged in at least one same-gender sexual activity since puberty. Given the identity category choices of heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or something else, 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women surveyed reported "some level of homosexual identity."*
Binson et al (1995) showed 5.3% of men reporting sexual activity with a same-gender partner since age 18. and 6.5% of men reporting sex with men during the previous five years. The highest prevalence was found* the 12 largest cities (14.4% since age 18) and among "highly educated" White males (10.8%).
Sells et al (1995) reported 6.2% of* males and 3.6% of* females with "sexual contact with someone of the same sex only or with both sexes in the previous five years," and 20.8% of U.S. males and 17.8% of U.S. females with some homosexual behavior or some homosexual attraction since age 15.*
Gonsierek et al (1995) reviewed the literature and critiqued surveys of homosexual activity from Kinsey in 1948 to the 1994 study by Laumann, et al. Because of the possible risks involved in self-disclosure, it is posited that the recurrent 2-5% for same-gender sexual behavior in the studies reviewed represents a minimum figure. They suggest that the current prevalence of predominant same-sex orientation is 4-17%.
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
11-06-12, 10:48
So... what's your point?
Are 20% of men gay or not?... if not then don't simply hantam... anyhow let go...
Hmmm. Surprised that you feel so strongly about this issue. Since I am not Truth, whatever I say must be taken with a huge barrel of salt. :-) Anyway this is very offtopic. Can gladly take it offline via PM if keen to pursue.
mr gay, your 20% is an unverified number.. :tsk-tsk:
anyway, good morning to you. :cheers5:
Firstly, yes this is off topic.... you pulled it off that direction.
Secondly, I can't help but feel that you have a hidden agenda by inflating the gay percentages (20% ?.... a number which you beat around the bush to verify). I can only conclude that you are trying to implant the notion that homosexuality is very normal since 1 out of 5 men are gay.
If you are trying to promote the gay cause you are trying too hard.
Hmmm. Surprised that you feel so strongly about this issue. Since I am not Truth, whatever I say must be taken with a huge barrel of salt. :-) Anyway this is very offtopic. Can gladly take it offline via PM if keen to pursue.
ikan bilis
11-06-12, 12:06
Firstly, yes this is off topic.... you pulled it off that direction.
Secondly, I can't help but feel that you have a hidden agenda by inflating the gay percentages (20% ?.... a number which you beat around the bush to verify). I can only conclude that you are trying to implant the notion that homosexuality is very normal since 1 out of 5 men are gay.
If you are trying to promote the gay cause you are trying too hard.
bro... cool down... let him go lah...
me somehow don;t have that feeling he is gay...
to me hor,... sounds more like a jealous old lady... nobody wants... so saying most guys are gays... heeheehee... :D :cheers4:
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
11-06-12, 12:22
Firstly, yes this is off topic.... you pulled it off that direction.
Secondly, I can't help but feel that you have a hidden agenda by inflating the gay percentages (20% ?.... a number which you beat around the bush to verify). I can only conclude that you are trying to implant the notion that homosexuality is very normal since 1 out of 5 men are gay.
If you are trying to promote the gay cause you are trying too hard.
If you think I am trying to paint gays in a good light notice I said gay men can be messy.
As to your feeling that I have hidden agenda to make gay look good, well I try to present myself in the best possible light every time as anyone will. Just on the number, 20 percent is definitely inflated. I wont argue against that. Those references that I quote is to show that research has been done to prove it can possibly be rather close to that number. There is nothing I want to justify except to highlight a fact. Thanks for sharing how my response made you feel as I do agree it is your opinion and I apologise if I made you feel threatened - I will be more sensitive to the Majority populations feelings in future. :-)
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
11-06-12, 12:27
mr gay, your 20% is an unverified number.. :tsk-tsk:
anyway, good morning to you. :cheers5:
Oh good afternoon. Hows your Monday so far. By now its past noon lol.
It started with this post which prompted the question on how to tell if tenants were gay or not.
Or gay men. :)
But hor, i know some very messy gay men too. Bo guarantee.
If you bother to read back I wasnt the one started on the gay thing. Someone asked How to Tell if tenants are gay ah?
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
11-06-12, 12:44
It started with this post which prompted the question on how to tell if tenants were gay or not.
Sorry yes I did start it. Thats why I edited my response from the one you quoted. I already addressed your concern about my agenda in the same reply. Thanks
I don't think you were trying to paint gays in a good light but you were distorting a reference to subvert thought. That is to normalise homosexuality as a sexual orientation.
This is a growing trend... Green Lantern is now gay, Sesame Steet's Bert and Ernie are also now gay. The main contention for Yale-NUS is civil liberty which gay centric.... the list goes on.
I was born in the era when the word "gay" was an adjective instead of a noun. I accept that some people are homosexual by nature, I just find it annoying when it is an "in-your-face" proclamation.
Please forgive this old fashion geezer.
If you think I am trying to paint gays in a good light notice I said gay men can be messy.
As to your feeling that I have hidden agenda to make gay look good, well I try to present myself in the best possible light every time as anyone will. Just on the number, 20 percent is definitely inflated. I wont argue against that. Those references that I quote is to show that research has been done to prove it can possibly be rather close to that number. There is nothing I want to justify except to highlight a fact. Thanks for sharing how my response made you feel as I do agree it is your opinion and I apologise if I made you feel threatened - I will be more sensitive to the Majority populations feelings in future. :-)
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
11-06-12, 13:01
I don't think you were trying to paint gays in a good light but you were distorting a reference to subvert thought. That is to normalise homosexuality as a sexual orientation.
This is a growing trend... Green Lantern is now gay, Sesame Steet's Bert and Ernie are also now gay. The main contention for Yale-NUS is civil liberty which gay centric.... the list goes on.
I was born in the era when the word "gay" was an adjective instead of a noun. I accept that some people are homosexual by nature, I just find it annoying when it is an "in-your-face" proclamation.
Please forgive this old fashion geezer.
Dont say that bro. I also old fashioned. Those trends you quoted, I also not happy. Being gay has lost its 'exclusivity' for lack of a better term. When some people think its way cool to have gay friends in their click back some ten years ago, and some stars working to up their popularity openly saying they not gay but they love gay people (no one knows what they really think inside), gayness has started to be abused and capitalised on. I think I prefer to be seen as just an equal amongst all bros and sis and someone who can contribute to society.
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