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DC33_2008
28-05-12, 18:03
Iskandar lure for Singapore
By THEAN LEE CHENG
[email protected] ([email protected])
Singapore has the means but lacks land while Johor has abundant land but lacks the means. Enter Iskandar Malaysia ...
ISKANDAR Regional Development Authority (Irda) anticipates the second phase of Iskandar Malaysia development from 2011 to 2015 to be more challenging than phase one which was from 2006 to 2010.
Chief executive officer Ismail Ibrahim (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Ismail Ibrahim) tells StarBizWeek that while the first phase was about planning and building foundations, the next level is about growth and expansion.
http://starstorage.blob.core.windows.net/archives/2012/5/26/business/b_20PermasJaya.jpg A semi-detached house in Permas Jaya, Johor costs a fraction of that in Singapore.
He says the next three years to 2015 will be about leveraging on developments from phase one.
“The challenge will always be there... in different forms. The question is whether we are able to anticipate it,” he says.
He adds that risks are unavoidable in an undertaking the scale of Iskandar Malaysia, hence stakeholders need to do risk management.
Located in the southern-most part of Johor, Iskandar Malaysia is the country's first economic growth corridor launched in 2006, spanning 2,217 sq km three times the size of Singapore.
A five-year progress report on the economic region by Irda forecasts Iskandar Malaysia would need total investment of RM383bil (US$115.7 bil) over the next 20 years.
It generated a total cumulative committed investments of RM84.56bil until the first quarter of this year.
“The next move is to continue attracting more domestic and foreign investors through a systematic approach and strategy of engaging with them,” he says.
Irda is looking at investments averaging between RM15bil and RM20bil yearly from 2011 to 2015, up from RM10bil-RM15bil targeted from 2006 to 2010.
The tide seems to be turning in favour of the region. Singapore-based Jones Lang LaSalle head of residential project sales David Neubronner says interest in the region was limited and muted in its initial years but has changed dramatically of late.

The Singapore factor
“Singaporean interest, until recently, has generally been muted and limited to a handful of developments like Leisure Farm and Horizon Hills. However, the situation has changed quite dramatically recently,” says Neubronner, in an email interview.
Iskandar Malaysia is now spoken in the same breath as Johor Baru and has become synonymous with the city.
No longer do developers say they have a project in Kota Tinggi or Johor Baru, or some other specific town.
It's “we have a project in Iskandar ”
http://starstorage.blob.core.windows.net/archives/2012/5/26/business/b_map.jpg
Tangibles like new highways and improved landscaping have helped. Other tangibles include the September launch of themepark Legoland and educational facilities in Educity.
“For Iskandar to succeed, we need the Singaporeans to agree to play ball,” says Chur Associates managing partner and legal advisor Chris Tan, who promotes Malaysian properties to foreigners. “Johor has always been Singapore's factory. Iskandar Malaysia is like Shenzhen and Hong Kong. Shenzhen is thriving today because of the Hong Kong factor.”
While Singapore has the means, it lacks the land. Johor has abundance of land, but lacks the means.
Iskandar Malaysia is presented as a new territory with ample opportunities for all, particularly Singaporeans in terms of value, growth and possibly future retirement plans, Neubronner says.
He says there are lots of push and pull factors to steer interest to Malaysia in general, and the Iskandar scheme, in particular.
“The rapid price appreciation of Singapore properties over the past 30 months is one of them,” he adds.
“With new price levels, Malaysian properties become relatively cheaper. For example, a new semi-detached house in Bukit Timah, Singapore costs S$5mil (RM12.4mil). A similar house in The Straits View Permas Jaya Johor, 10 minutes drive from CIQ Johor, is S$500,000 (RM1.24mil) or a fraction of what it costs in Singapore.
“And that same house in Permas Jaya offers a view of Senoko Singapore (a power station),” quips Neubronner.
While Iskandar beckons, on the other side of the causeway, the Singapore government has implemented a slew of anti-speculative measures to deter investors in Singapore from speculating in the Singapore property market, he says.
“As a consequence of these measures, investors are going overseas, such as London, Australia and Malaysia.”
From the global property perspective, property values in Malaysia and London have “depreciated” on the basis of the strong Singapore dollar.
Supporting the strong interest for Malaysian property investment is a market well supported by robust fundamentals, including political stability, economic growth and a fast growing middle class which is driving demand in the overall market.
Neubronner says interest subsidy schemes offered by Malaysian developers, which is not available in Singapore anymore, is another key attraction.
In this scheme, an investor needs to put in as little as 10% cash downpayment and nothing thereafter until the development is completed, which may be three to four years down the road.
“Should the property appreciate by 10% at completion, the investor would have doubled their investment, before outgoings,” says Neubronner.
But the formula of affordable property prices and easy credit alone will not have worked if not for friendly government ties between the two countries,” says Neubronner.

Iskandar's early days
The guardians of Iskandar could not be more illustrious and the political weightage could not be more influential. Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak), and the Johor menteri besar are keenly involved. Irda, the agency that regulates, plans, promotes and strategises Iskandar Malaysia's growth, reports directly to them.
Goverment-linked company (GLC) Khazanah Nasional Bhd (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Khazanah Nasional Bhd) drives the corporate motor with managing director Tan Sri Azman Mokhtar (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Tan Sri Azman Mokhtar) having a seat on the Irda board.
Other GLCs involved include Iskandar Investment Bhd (IIB) (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Iskandar Investment Bhd (IIB)) and the UEM group. There is a reason for such heavyweights. This is the first of several economic zones being promoted by the Government. So far, it has also been the most successful, despite its muted start.
Former Prime Minister Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi) launched the growth corridor in 2006, then known as Iskandar Regional Development. It attracted much Middle Eastern interest. These initial investors came with their riyals and dirhams to buy land with the aim to become master developers.
The project then was very much government-driven. The scarcity of land for development in the Klang Valley and the proximity to Singapore prompted the private sector to invest in Johor.
Today, some of the country's top developers have interest here. These include BRDB Developments Bhd (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=BRDB Developments Bhd), the Eastern & Oriental group, Mah Sing and SP Setia (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=SP Setia) group. Their move down south has given credibility to the project, says Neubronner.
Says a property lawyer promoting Malaysian properties to foreigners: “Malaysia was viewed as among the more progressive, moderate and modern Islamic states in the region. It was this factor which attracted the Middle Eastern investors to our shores. (But in the opening up of any region), you need people who actually come and stay and not just to buy land. And our closest neighbour is Singapore,” he says.
A report from Jones Lang LaSalle in London may provide the clue why Singapore is important for Iskandar Malaysia's success. The report says Singapore has the world's highest concentration of wealthy people and is considered as “the Switzerland of Asia”. And all the wealth are just across the causeway.
Singapore has more millionaires per capita of its five million population than anywhere else on the planet, reported The Telegraph. Although other countries have more total millionaires because of larger populations, the little red dot in South-East Asia has more as a percentage of its population.
The catalyst to the strong buying interest from Singaporeans has been the warming of political ties between the two governments and their leaders, says Neubronner.
Ties improved when Najib hosted his counterpart Lee Hsien Loong at an inter-governmental meeting in March. Both countries were looking for opportunities to expand beyond their borders. International Trade and Industry Minister Datuk Seri Mustapa Mohamed (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk Seri Mustapa Mohamed) says the Singapore business community is looking to relocate or expand operations in Iskandar Malaysia.
That meeting was quickly followed with Temasek Holdings (Pte) Ltd (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Temasek Holdings (Pte) Ltd) and Khazanah Nasional Bhd announcing they would jointly develop about RM30bil of projects in the south of Peninsular Malaysia and Singapore.
The developments in Singapore will include hotels, apartments, offices and shops in two main areas of the city state while the Iskandar developments will have homes, retail space and “wellness-related offerings”.
Singapore Business Federation did not respond to questions emailed to them. The Association of Small & Medium Enterprises in Singapore says it does not have information about Singapore's SME interests in Iskandar Malaysia.
Brian, a Malaysian businessman, with Singapore PR status, who has been living in Johor “off and on” the past 10 years, says the Singapore factor is important for Johor to succeed “much faster.”
“We need the support of Singapore because it is a successful neighbour and has a well-established brand name. It is generally felt that if Singapore companies were to invest in Iskandar, it will be quite safe for others to follow,” he says.
While government-to-government ties are important, other prerequisites are needed. These include good infrastructure in the form of roads and connectivity, services, amenities and aggressive marketing and promotional efforts from both private and public sector.
“With each passing day, the challenge (seems) less daunting,” says Neubronner.
Legoland Malaysia will be opening its doors Sept 15 to provide the leisure component. Over one million visitors are expected during its first year of operations.
“We are expecting to have over 70% to 80% of the visitors from Malaysia and Singapore, with the rest are international visitors,” says Legoland Malaysia general manager Siegfried Boerst (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Siegfried Boerst).
The park's pre-opening promotional drive, which began in January, resulted in 35,000 annual passes sold online by the closing date on April 16, the highest ever recorded for the sale of pre-opening annual passes for any of the Legoland theme parks.
Singaporeans make up the majority of foreign buyers who bought 40% of those passes. Malaysians bought the other 60%.
Even without Legoland, Singaporeans were enjoying the beach and island resorts over in Johor over the years.
Brian says he is drawn to the open space and serenity of Johor. He has bought a holiday home in Leisure Farm some years ago.
EduCity provides the education framework. In the next five years, Iskandar is expected to have 10,000 students, nine universities and schools. Raffles University Iskandar vice-president (services) and registrar Gan Chin Huat says its American-curriculum school is targeting 1,000 students in 2017.
Of the 3,000 students targeted for Raffles University Iskandar, half of them are expected to be Malaysians and the rest from around the region.
On how it will attract students to Iskandar, Gan says Raffles Education Corp (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Raffles Education Corp) is a quality name in Asia Pacific and its graduates are well received by industries.
Raffles will offer hostel facilities in the new campus at Iskandar and also shuttle students over, he says in an email interview.
The Raffles education group has 32,000 students in the 38 Raffles Colleges in 35 cities in 14 countries.
Of the three universities and 38 colleges in 14 countries, Gan says they only have one Raffles College of Higher Education in Singapore with the rest located elsewhere. In Malaysia, the group currently has one Raffles College in KL in addition to the Raffles University Iskandar and Raffles American School in JB.
While Singaporean and Malaysians with PR status remain a prime target, and with the US and the eurozone the way they are, other Asian investors from Indonesia, South Korea, China and Vietnam are being keenly sought.
The building blocks for the next chapter attracting investors are being put together today. But challenges remain.

TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
28-05-12, 18:37
Let's take a look at one such typical unit interior/exterior finishing and workmanship...

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/listing_gallery.aspx?pid=1131545&s=L&t=Cluster+Homes+for+Rent%09in+HORIZON+HILLS%2c+NUSAJAYA%2c+Johor+Bahru%2c+Johor%2c+Malaysia+for+RM+3%2c800

Conclusion?

So-so. Worse than budget developers like Fragrance.

CAVEAT EMPTOR

ikan bilis
28-05-12, 18:43
Let's take a look at one such typical unit interior/exterior finishing and workmanship...

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/listing_gallery.aspx?pid=1131545&s=L&t=Cluster+Homes+for+Rent%09in+HORIZON+HILLS%2c+NUSAJAYA%2c+Johor+Bahru%2c+Johor%2c+Malaysia+for+RM+3%2c800

Conclusion?

So-so. Worse than budget developers like Fragrance.

CAVEAT EMPTOR

haha... bcoz one semi-d there same price as one mm here... :D

Laguna
28-05-12, 20:09
ya, the brand of the developer is very important in My.

There is one in Penang, they built one extra floor as PH on top of the building, without approval, and was asked to take down when trying to get TOP.

Everyone avoid this developer.......Bros....famous for bad quality

evergreen
28-05-12, 20:39
The colour scheme so ugly! :scared-4:

Beebot
28-05-12, 20:51
My sister (recently divorced) and niece (30plus and not intending to get married) bought one in Iskandar. Both said they can't afford an HDB in Singapore.

hyenergix
28-05-12, 22:07
I'm not sure if investors are getting ripped off. The design and quality don't seem to justify the price tag and the building doesn't seem to be able to last more than 10 years without major retrofitting.

kane
28-05-12, 22:30
that's the standard of finishing there. it's pretty basic. if you expect too much, you'll just be disappointed.

solsys
28-05-12, 23:07
I think Shenzhen is more fun as a neighbour.

DC33_2008
29-05-12, 09:08
Saturday May 26, 2012
What the developers say about Iskandar projects
THE following are snippers from Klang Valley developers who have projects in Iskandar Malaysia.
Eastern & Oriental Bhd (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Eastern & Oriental Bhd)
deputy managing director
Eric Chan Kok Leong
http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2012/5/26/business/b_23ericChan.jpg Eric Chan Kok Leong
At the end of the day, Singaporeans and people in general, will want a place to call home. At the basic level they want security, quality education, medical attention, sports and recreation, retail, services and conveniences, and opportunities for career and enterprise. You will find all these essential elements in one place, Iskandar Malaysia, without having to pay premium prices of urban locations.
We are offering more than just beautiful homes, we will provide a living environment that promotes total wellness and inspires the pursuit of well-being, The project is positioned as a wellness destination within this region and will cater to an international crowd.
The masterplan for the Medini Integrated Wellness Capital is in the final stages of submission. The 210-acre project, with a gross development of RM3bil, is expected to help the niche developer carved a name for itself in the wellness industry targeted at the super rich.
The idea was mooted by government-linked corporation (GLC) Khazanah Nasional Bhd (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Khazanah Nasional Bhd).

SP Setia Bhd (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=SP Setia Bhd) executive
vice-president Datuk Chang Khim Wah (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk Chang Khim Wah)
The group has projects totalling 4,590 acres in Johor. About 26,000 of 40,000 landed homes and condominiums have been built so far.
We have 20% of non-Malaysian buyers for our link houses and 30% for our high-end homes. This is according to the quota set by the local Johor government; 95% of these non-Malaysian buyers are Singaporeans. About 30% of these non-Malaysian buyers buy for investments and 70% buy to stay. Other nationalities include Japanese, Germans, Italians and Indonesians.
http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2012/5/26/business/b_23changKhimWah.jpg Datuk Chang Khim Wah
Our reputation and development concept places an importance on the environment and security. The provision of adequate amenities and gardens or parks appeal to our buyers. A lot of effort has also been put in to address the issue of safety, which is a major concern for Singaporeans. Irda has already set up a task force that includes regular police patrols and fast respond squads on top of auxiliary police personnel being trained to supplement the existing police force.
This shows the serious commitment of the state government in allaying fears of Iskandar Malaysia not being safe.
There is great potential for capital appreciation of properties with so much happening in Iskandar Malaysia, from tourism attractions to education and medical facilities. Improved infrastructures like Johor Baru Eastern Dispersal Link, Coastal Highway, Senai Desaru Expressway has made travelling in Iskandar Malaysia a breeze. The future joint development of a Rapid Transit Link between Iskandar Malaysia and Singapore to enhance connectivity between the two countries will definitely be a push factor. There is a need for international-level service standards and facilities.
Setia's total gross development value (GDV) of properties already build in Johor is RM15bil and total GDV of properties not yet built but will be built is RM9bil.

Mah Sing Group Bhd (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Mah Sing Group Bhd)
group managing director
Tan Sri Leong Hoy Kum (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Tan Sri Leong Hoy Kum)
http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2012/5/26/business/b_23LeongHoyKum.jpg Tan Sri Leong Hoy Kum
We have been in Johor Baru since year 2000 and currently have four mixed townships as well as an industrial project. Remaining gross development value in Johor is RM1.2bil or approximately 8% of the group's remaining GDV and unbilled sales is RM16.27bil. Our townships are in Skudai, Tebrau and Plentong, while the group has a new industrial project of 206 acres Mah Sing iParc just 1km from the Port of Tanjung Pelepas (Malaysia's second busiest port) and 23km to Jurong industrial estate.
Mah Sing iParc will see its maiden launch this year and is expected to see strong interest from Singaporean buyers as prices in Jurong are about 6 times more, plus Jurong is leasehold (Mah Sing iParc is freehold), and is only 8km from the second bridge to Singapore.
Currently, we have about 10% foreign buyers with the bulk of them coming from Singapore. Our Johor townships, being mainly landed residential homes, have attracted mostly Malaysians who use it for own stay, although some of them work in Singapore and travel daily.
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DC33_2008
29-05-12, 09:13
What are Iskandar’s attractions?

By THEAN LEE CHENG
Saturday May 26, 2012
[email protected] ([email protected])

PROPERTY consultants say the lower price point compared with Singapore properties, which are eight to 10 times higher, and the proximity to Singapore are two of the main reasons why foreigners buy into Iskandar Malaysia’s property developments.

Personal, telephone and email interviews with property consultants in Kuala Lumpur, Johor and Singapore say most of the foreigners who buy into Iskandar Malaysia are Singaporeans, which developers in Johor confirm.

Singapore-based Jones Lang LaSalle head of residential project sales David Neubronner says the physical proximity to the city state is a huge attraction, when compared with buying properties in Kuala Lumpur city or Penang. A drive to Kuala Lumpur will take between four to five hours and to Penang island another three to four hours.


Neubronner: ‘Proximity to Singapore a huge attraction.’
“It is a case of picking at the low hanging fruits as there is the perception that the growth corridor, which is about an hour’s drive away, and relatively cheap to enter, is a new horizon with vast potential and opportunities. There is the perception that over time, values will multiply,” says Neubronner.

They have heard how the pioneer investors in Horizon Hills and Leisure Farm, who made their investments five to six years ago, have reaped hefty profit and enjoyed price appreciation in the property.

Johor-based KGV International Property Consultants (M) Sdn Bhd director Samuel Tan Wee Cheng says the yield factor is not a major criteria for them.

“It’s capital appreciation they are after as that project is a 20-year plan.”

Location matters a lot and properties located at Nusajaya with their contemporary designs have generated a lot of attention. The same goes for waterfront projects.

“The higher cost of living in Singapore has resulted in some Singaporeans relocating to Johor. The common cultural and language platforms between the two countries have also played an important role,” says Tan.

Among the Japanese, Malaysia, which is free from natural disasters like earthquakes and typhoons, is a great attraction.

Tropical Resort Lifestyle (MM2H) Sdn Bhd managing director Ishihara Shotaro says Japanese interest has been particularly good after the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami, especially for those below 40 years old as Iskandar Malaysia has a 10- to 15-year timeframe to be developed.

Shotaro promotes Malaysian properties among the Japanese and is also involved in the Malaysia My Second Home (MM2H) programme.

Most of the major highways are operational. Among them are the Southern Link, Senai-Desaru Highway, EDL and Western Coastal Highway. There are also many interchanges and flyovers constructed to ease traffic flow within Johor Baru. Among them are those at Jalan Yahya Awal, at Jalan Abu Bakar, at Ulu Tiram town and soon at the Senai Airport junction. All these work towards improving connectivity within Iskandar. These new highways open new frontiers into regions which were not popular – or accessible – in the past.

“Since these highways and expressways have become operational, we noticed that property prices have shot up. Examples of these places are those near Nusajaya and along the Southern Link,” says Tan.

At the state government level, he says the local authorities have also worked to improve relationships.

“There must also be an atmosphere of welcome by the authorities which means there is a need for consistent and friendly foreign property ownership policies,” says Tan.

The marketing efforts and promotional campaigns by the stake holders (developers who are offering their projects there as well as those involved in promoting the growth corridor) have been rather effective with more reputable developers entering Johor’s property development sector.

Nevertheless, there are still concerns and perceptions which are also difficult to shake off. Among the main concerns is security followed by connectivity. Other important factors are proximity and availability of good and hygienic food and beverage outlets and other amenities.

Security has always been an issue with Johor and despite the assurances by the government at federal level that overall security has improved for the country, that concern remains.

Other concerns by investors are the quality of the workmanship of their purchases as most of these projects are purchased off plan. They are also concerned about delivery.

“With so much land and construction, demand may not meet supply,” says Neubronner.

“Potential for capital growth may also be constrained,” he says.

These, he says, are the negative issues. But while there are challenges, he is quick to add the challenges facing the Iskandar scheme do not seem as daunting as before.

“There seems to be more confidence on the delivery of the promise,” he says, adding that these issues can be overcome with better public relations with the market, which the Malaysian authorities at various levels are working hard on.

The entry of more reputable players into the fold has also boosted the confidence of investors, both local and foreign. Some of the big names in Malaysia’s property development who have interest there include Bandaraya Developments Bhd, which is known for its KLCC project The Troika, Cap Square and One Menerung in Bangsar, Kuala Lumpur and the SP Setia Group. The latest reputable developer to enter the Iskandar scheme is niche lifestyle developer Eastern & Oriental group wich is known for its Penang’s Tanjung Sri Pinang.

“They have some success with the Japanese in places like Horizon Hills. But the MM2H scheme has a lot of work ahead,” he says.

Singaporean and Japanese investors are generally comfortable with properties priced at about RM1mil or under S$500,000 – what they term “bite size” – between 600 sq ft and 1,000 sq ft. Investors prefer to buy multiple compact units in a few developments rather than to buy a single luxury apartment in the capital.

He says while the Iskandar scheme is quickly soaking up buying interest from Singaporeans, other locations of interest to them include London, Melbourne, Sydney and Kuala Lumpur

DKSG
29-05-12, 13:40
The key point about Iskandar is not the price or the quality.

Its about the software that comes along with its neigbourhood.
And I dont mean the computer games kinda software.

The house is cheap, decent looking medicore quality.

But if the neighbour is full of break in thieves, door opening security guards, etc, then what is the point ? There is no dollar attached to human life you know ?!

At least in Singapore, we know Punggol is Punggol, wont go wrong.

Anyway, I am saddened by the fact the locals are unable to afford our HDB and have to move to Iskandar. Just dont tell them they sold their flats, took hundreds of thousands profits then move there. If so, we let them be lor! In fact, take back the pink IC!

DKSG

DC33_2008
29-05-12, 17:33
Very soon they will be crossing over easily once the jb mrt network is built. No where to run.
The key point about Iskandar is not the price or the quality.

Its about the software that comes along with its neigbourhood.
And I dont mean the computer games kinda software.

The house is cheap, decent looking medicore quality.

But if the neighbour is full of break in thieves, door opening security guards, etc, then what is the point ? There is no dollar attached to human life you know ?!

At least in Singapore, we know Punggol is Punggol, wont go wrong.

Anyway, I am saddened by the fact the locals are unable to afford our HDB and have to move to Iskandar. Just dont tell them they sold their flats, took hundreds of thousands profits then move there. If so, we let them be lor! In fact, take back the pink IC!

DKSG

Shoeboxsupporter
29-05-12, 17:43
The colour scheme so ugly! :scared-4:

I think this example cannot represent the quality of Malaysia House !

phantom_opera
29-05-12, 17:46
frankly i rather stay in MM hole of 441sqft in 8RS than a landed property in MY

even there is MRT .. it will only stop in no-man land bought by Datuk

dtrax
29-05-12, 17:47
I read this I scare riaox: https://www.facebook.com/notes/chin-xin-ci/30-hours-ago-i-escaped-from-being-kidnapped/10150980821959859

Blue
29-05-12, 18:03
I think there is a market for setting up security companies in Iskandar given the investments there by foreigners. :)

DC33_2008
29-05-12, 18:10
Someone got killed last nite at jalan bukit merah. It can happen anywhere.
I read this I scare riaox: https://www.facebook.com/notes/chin-xin-ci/30-hours-ago-i-escaped-from-being-kidnapped/10150980821959859

Blue
29-05-12, 18:16
Now I know why Iskandar and MMs in Singapore so hot.

For the tai tais, buy Iskandar properties as a wkend resort home. Then buy MMs in Singapore to store their LVs, Pradas and Chanels cos not safe to put / flash them in JB.

For the misters, buy either to store their mistresses :D

House
29-05-12, 23:29
I read this I scare riaox: https://www.facebook.com/notes/chin-xin-ci/30-hours-ago-i-escaped-from-being-kidnapped/10150980821959859

there are more WORSE news than this one.....robbers break into house and rape wife + daughter right in front the owner.

i rather pitch tent at east coast than to live in malaysia.

hopeful
30-05-12, 00:16
there are more WORSE news than this one.....robbers break into house and rape wife + daughter right in front the owner.

i rather pitch tent at east coast than to live in malaysia.
robbers rape wife + daugher in front of owner is ordinary and expected.
what if robbers force father to rape daughter by threatening to kill the wife/mother if they dont do so?

phantom_opera
30-05-12, 07:51
robbers rape wife + daugher in front of owner is ordinary and expected.
what if robbers force father to rape daughter by threatening to kill the wife/mother if they dont do so?

You have very disturbed mind ... should star in Silence of the Lame :)

House
30-05-12, 11:33
You have very disturbed mind ... should star in Silence of the Lame :)

The story is real - happened in KL.

DC33_2008
30-05-12, 13:10
You may meet MR B.
there are more WORSE news than this one.....robbers break into house and rape wife + daughter right in front the owner.

i rather pitch tent at east coast than to live in malaysia.

hyenergix
30-05-12, 13:32
The story is real - happened in KL.

Happened in Singapore during WWII also.

TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
30-05-12, 14:00
You have very disturbed mind ... should star in Silence of the Lame :)

Lame? Is that typo or intentional.... lol

phantom_opera
30-05-12, 14:04
Hannibal rising

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjEwODUxNzUzMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODg3MzM5._V1._SY317_CR1,0,214,317_.jpg

TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
30-05-12, 14:09
You having very dark thoughts my phantom... it must be coz your good friend Gaga is in town...

phantom_opera
30-05-12, 14:20
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TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
30-05-12, 14:30
*GROSS HORROR IMAGE BEWARE* WARNING * THE FACE OF CANNIBAL ATTACK VICTIM POPPO in link below. See at own risk.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/assets_c/2012/05/miamiface-thumb-500x500.jpg

*MALE NUDITY WARNING* END STATE OF CRIME SCENE

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/miamiface3.jpg

roly8
30-05-12, 14:43
The story is real - happened in KL.


anything is impossible la..

ask you to sux dog kkj...you also must do it in front of robber..

sicko mind. :D