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richwang
26-11-11, 11:02
My son is going to the army Jan 31, 2012. He was rated PEC B1 in May. But the doctor says he is indeed PEC C now.
Should he request for a downgrade now? What is the impact for his scholarship application or NUS Medicine admission?

I personally would prefer him to do some exercises and improve his health to a true B1/B2.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I have served the Chinese army for 4 years, so roughly know what army is like, but no exposure to Singapore army.

august
26-11-11, 12:06
My son is going to the army Jan 31, 2012. He was rated PEC B1 in May. But the doctor says he is indeed PEC C now.
Should he request for a downgrade now? What is the impact for his scholarship application or NUS Medicine admission?

I personally would prefer him to do some exercises and improve his health to a true B1/B2.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I have served the Chinese army for 4 years, so roughly know what army is like, but no exposure to Singapore army.

chinese army no reservist rite?
should downgrade to exempt NS if possible.

mcmlxxvi
26-11-11, 13:49
chinese army no reservist rite?
should downgrade to exempt NS if possible.
No real stigma towards downgraded army personnel generally in SG unless you intend to feed off government rice bowl in future. In fact to most employers if you dont have reservist even better. No need to pay you to disappear from work every once or two years for weeks...

richwang
26-11-11, 19:16
There is no mandatory NS in China. But there is army in China.
Indeed you need to pass a lot of tests to get into army.
In US, WestPoint is also not easy to get into.

In Singapore, I believe even you are PEC C, you still need to go back for reservist.

I am also told if you want to apply for scholarship or get into NUS Med, it is best to be PEC B. Maybe I should ask

http://www.kiasuparents.com/

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
26-11-11, 19:22
True, there is no reservist in China. Once you are "retired" from army, they will not bother you any more.

Still every year on Aug 1, they will send fruits and posters to my parents to thank them sending their son to the army.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. Aug 1 is the Chinese Army Anniversary Day.

richwang
07-01-12, 05:52
I just heard the rule says NS men cannot be punished for more than 20 push-ups at one go.
But the officer started with -50. So the poor guy will need to do 70.
I didn't have such ridiculous officer when I serve the Chinese army. As I mentioned before, they are all mature professionals who were 10 years older than I was.
Should Singapore Army officers become professionally trained by West Point?

Thanks,
Richard

mcmlxxvi
07-01-12, 10:59
I just heard the rule says NS men cannot be punished for more than 20 push-ups at one go.
But the officer started with -50. So the poor guy will need to do 70.
I didn't have such ridiculous officer when I serve the Chinese army. As I mentioned before, they are all mature professionals who were 10 years older than I was.
Should Singapore Army officers become professionally trained by West Point?

Thanks,
Richard

Haha ... I like the -50.... This is called smart thinking and think out of the box. Happy to know our army officers still have that quality of mind... ;)

In the past, my PTI nicknamed the Monkey from Nee Soon camp, make us round tower to tower by just saying 2353535....or 7484848 which are pizza delivery hotlines. Lucky that time phone number does not start with 6 yet else two more trips to run....

Antz621
07-01-12, 11:15
In the past, my PTI nicknamed the Monkey from Nee Soon camp, make us round tower to tower by just saying 2353535....or 7484848 which are pizza delivery hotlines. Lucky that time phone number does not start with 6 yet else two more trips to run....

Yes heard about him during my time too. Guess you must be born in the year of '74-'76? ;)

mcmlxxvi
07-01-12, 11:43
Yes heard about him during my time too. Guess you must be born in the year of '74-'76? ;)
Quite obvious from my nick ya... ;-) and oh I remember fully now its Monkey God not just monkey...

richwang
15-01-12, 16:15
http://www.ns.sg/nsPortal/appmanager/nsp/default?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=nsPortal_forum

The Singapore army is a lot more challenging. When you have 9 out of 10 says NO, how to win the battle?

But if we make NS a choice, our arm force will be reduced to just 10%.
Can we defend Singapore using 10% of the professional males? That is about 2000+ per year. Even if they sign on for 5 years, that is only 10,000+ arm force. Very, very difficult.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I am starting to put S$1K per month in my son's bank account. He believes this is the min for NS men. I cannot change the national policy, so I can only change the family policy.

ysyap
15-01-12, 16:20
Haha ... I like the -50.... This is called smart thinking and think out of the box. Happy to know our army officers still have that quality of mind... ;)

In the past, my PTI nicknamed the Monkey from Nee Soon camp, make us round tower to tower by just saying 2353535....or 7484848 which are pizza delivery hotlines. Lucky that time phone number does not start with 6 yet else two more trips to run....Monkey was my PTI too... Lol! I also kana the 2353535 but also holding the silly dummy rifle which was heavier than the real rifle on an extended arm... wah... my arm nearly dropped... I learnt the trick then was not to be so fast and be the first to return coz when you return, you just go into push up position, waiting for the others to return. Just be the 2nd last to return... Lol! :rolleyes:

ysyap
15-01-12, 16:22
There is no mandatory NS in China. But there is army in China.
Indeed you need to pass a lot of tests to get into army.
In US, WestPoint is also not easy to get into.

In Singapore, I believe even you are PEC C, you still need to go back for reservist.

I am also told if you want to apply for scholarship or get into NUS Med, it is best to be PEC B. Maybe I should ask

http://www.kiasuparents.com/

Thanks,
RichardNot all pes C need to return lah... only those with appointment such as CQ or something. The rest just stay at home to sleep! :sleep:

ysyap
15-01-12, 16:25
http://www.ns.sg/nsPortal/appmanager/nsp/default?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=nsPortal_forum

The Singapore army is a lot more challenging. When you have 9 out of 10 says NO, how to win the battle?

But if we make NS a choice, our arm force will be reduced to just 10%.
Can we defend Singapore using 10% of the professional males? That is about 2000+ per year. Even if they sign on for 5 years, that is only 10,000+ arm force. Very, very difficult.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I am starting to put S$1K per month in my son's bank account. He believes this is the min for NS men. I cannot change the national policy, so I can only change the family policy.Why are u putting money in your son's bank account? Army will pay him good money lah... I only got like $1xx a month. Now easily get enough to go out and eat like a king le and still have spare cash to take gf out for a movie... :rolleyes:

richwang
15-01-12, 16:32
I believe army only pays something like S$420 per month. This is much less than a cleaner.

In China, army man is paid double for comparable job of civil. So I was "richer" than my gf's father when I was in army.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
15-01-12, 16:37
My friend is PEC C, he is called back for reservist. His job - secret.
I guess something like a call center.
My wife's friend, PEC C. His job - another secret. I guess something like carrying dead body.

Thanks,
Richard

bargain hunter
16-01-12, 00:34
the army is not "paying" per se. $420 is an ALLOWANCE for pple who do not sign on. if ur son signs on for 4 years like u did in china, then u can be sure it will pay him well. :D

the male forumers here mostly got $1xx or $2xx for our allowance so $420 is A LOT! free lodging and food provided nowadays is a lot more higher quality than our days too. :ashamed1:


I believe army only pays something like S$420 per month. This is much less than a cleaner.

In China, army man is paid double for comparable job of civil. So I was "richer" than my gf's father when I was in army.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
16-01-12, 07:54
the army is not "paying" per se. $420 is an ALLOWANCE for pple who do not sign on. if ur son signs on for 4 years like u did in china, then u can be sure it will pay him well. :D

the male forumers here mostly got $1xx or $2xx for our allowance so $420 is A LOT! free lodging and food provided nowadays is a lot more higher quality than our days too. :ashamed1:Yes... I understand that a sign on regular will have a minimum rank of a sergeant and the pay is like close to $2k in the 90s. Now maybe about $3k. That is good money for these people who chose to sign on and so skip university education and that is good money for these people. Yes army pays well. There's also free food and lodging. :D

bargain hunter
16-01-12, 09:22
for FOOD, more so now than the shxx we ate in those days! :simmering:


Yes... I understand that a sign on regular will have a minimum rank of a sergeant and the pay is like close to $2k in the 90s. Now maybe about $3k. That is good money for these people who chose to sign on and so skip university education and that is good money for these people. Yes army pays well. There's also free food and lodging. :D

ysyap
16-01-12, 09:26
for FOOD, more so now than the shxx we ate in those days! :simmering:Lol... yes yes... I recalled last time there was only one way to cook meat, i.e. with curry then all food taste exactly the same. Can't tell if its chicken, mutton or beef... Lol... all curry taste... Those were the days... :tsk-tsk:

buttercarp
16-01-12, 11:37
My friend is PEC C, he is called back for reservist. His job - secret.
I guess something like a call center.
My wife's friend, PEC C. His job - another secret. I guess something like carrying dead body.

Thanks,
Richard

PEC?
I tot it is PES?
So richwang, which PES is your son in?
I don't think it will affect his chances of getting scholarship or admission into med fac.
But there again, we live in a different world now, with things being so competitive.
I have got friends getting scholarships and getting into med fac despite the fact they were in PES C.
But for med fac in NUS , i think if PES C then cannot defer.

mcmlxxvi
16-01-12, 12:54
for FOOD, more so now than the shxx we ate in those days! :simmering:

I miss the huge chicken drumstick though!!!!!! Slurppppppp

And the night snack pao..... Mmmmm

bargain hunter
16-01-12, 13:00
drumstick quite rare in my batallion leh. can't remember is it once a month or maybe once a week but felt like once a month? :ashamed1:

nowadays prob better tasting drumstick and more frequent lah.


I miss the huge chicken drumstick though!!!!!! Slurppppppp

And the night snack pao..... Mmmmm

mcmlxxvi
16-01-12, 13:05
drumstick quite rare in my batallion leh. can't remember is it once a month or maybe once a week but felt like once a month? :ashamed1:

nowadays prob better tasting drumstick and more frequent lah.

My time was still cook house. Just one day before i ORD SFI took over. $)(;:&@#%!!!

ysyap
16-01-12, 13:23
My time was still cook house. Just one day before i ORD SFI took over. $)(;:&@#%!!!Don't when SFI took over but my 1st reservist was fully SFI... must still take token and put into the container to indicate the number of soldiers who ate at the cook house... Lol! But yes, think its right after my ORD too... Lol!

ysyap
16-01-12, 13:24
I miss the huge chicken drumstick though!!!!!! Slurppppppp

And the night snack pao..... MmmmmDon't like night snack coz if got night snack, means got night training... I prefer to zzz in bunk. :sleep:And yes the chicken drumstick is really huge.... :D

richwang
16-01-12, 16:50
PEC?
I tot it is PES?
So richwang, which PES is your son in?
I don't think it will affect his chances of getting scholarship or admission into med fac.
But there again, we live in a different world now, with things being so competitive.
I have got friends getting scholarships and getting into med fac despite the fact they were in PES C.
But for med fac in NUS , i think if PES C then cannot defer.

My appoligies, it should PES. My son is PES B. But both private and government doctors think he should be PES C. Army doctor is more strict.

I've just got a letter from the govement doctor today suggesting SAF MO to give him some time to apply medicine.

But you know army is army. Unlikely they will care about all these details.
Fingers crosses for the first 2 weeks. Doctors say he will 100% result into downgrade to PES C.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
16-01-12, 20:04
My appoligies, it should PES. My son is PES B. But both private and government doctors think he should be PES C. Army doctor is more strict.

I've just got a letter from the govement doctor today suggesting SAF MO to give him some time to apply medicine.

But you know army is army. Unlikely they will care about all these details.
Fingers crosses for the first 2 weeks. Doctors say he will 100% result into downgrade to PES C.

Thanks,
RichardYou are quite confused... at first hoped that your son will be PES B so he can keep fit and now you hope fingers crossed, etc that he'll be downgraded? The best option is to go through NS as combat fit so he can get all the training to keep fit plus can brag in front of his girlfriend next time. Downgrade only during Reservist coz NS cannot escape but Reservist can escape de so make the full use of NS as combat fit while Reservist just be PES C. :D No govt personnel around right? :p

Komo
16-01-12, 20:47
I miss the huge chicken drumstick though!!!!!! Slurppppppp

And the night snack pao..... Mmmmm

...i missed cook house's french toast ...not even ya kun can come close :D

glad that i'd gone through ns :D

richwang
16-01-12, 21:07
I have two friends who were PES A when doing NS. But they managed to downgrade to PES C now. Anywhere, it is impossible to manage a troop where 9 out 10 would rather not to do it.

As for my son, my view is: if he can be trained as PES B, that's great. He has some genetic related skin condition not suitable for heat, dust, etc.
Within the 1st two weeks, we will know whether he will need to be downgraded.

My son himself insists to remain in PES B. My worry is he might over stretch himself. Anyway, by mid-Feb we will know.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
17-01-12, 05:26
I have two friends who were PES A when doing NS. But they managed to downgrade to PES C now. Anywhere, it is impossible to manage a troop where 9 out 10 would rather not to do it.

As for my son, my view is: if he can be trained as PES B, that's great. He has some genetic related skin condition not suitable for heat, dust, etc.
Within the 1st two weeks, we will know whether he will need to be downgraded.

My son himself insists to remain in PES B. My worry is he might over stretch himself. Anyway, by mid-Feb we will know.

Thanks,
RichardLast time when I was in NS, know of those who have skin problem and cannot don the No. 4 so not only got PES C but he was given PES E. 8 to 5 job wearing No. 3 and worked in CMPB. Eat at hawker centre (bigger cook house but must pay for food). :o

hyenergix
17-01-12, 06:44
I have two friends who were PES A when doing NS. But they managed to downgrade to PES C now. Anywhere, it is impossible to manage a troop where 9 out 10 would rather not to do it.

As for my son, my view is: if he can be trained as PES B, that's great. He has some genetic related skin condition not suitable for heat, dust, etc.
Within the 1st two weeks, we will know whether he will need to be downgraded.

My son himself insists to remain in PES B. My worry is he might over stretch himself. Anyway, by mid-Feb we will know.

Thanks,
Richard

Before seeing the MO, just scratch the skin a bit. It worked for my friend who got downgraded during BMT.

ysyap
17-01-12, 06:56
My appoligies, it should PES. My son is PES B. But both private and government doctors think he should be PES C. Army doctor is more strict.

I've just got a letter from the govement doctor today suggesting SAF MO to give him some time to apply medicine.

But you know army is army. Unlikely they will care about all these details.
Fingers crosses for the first 2 weeks. Doctors say he will 100% result into downgrade to PES C.

Thanks,
RichardDon't worry too much... army MOs are very new (fresh grads) so will usually not argue with private doctors outside the army. If outside doc say downgrade, they will not be bothered to argue coz they don't want more work or invite unnecessary challenge to their diagnosis.
That means your son will enter NS as PES B and wait for about 3 weeks to see if he'll downgrade so in the mean time ask him to enjoy the 3 weeks of training to at least have a taste... :D

buttercarp
17-01-12, 08:02
Last time when I was in NS, know of those who have skin problem and cannot don the No. 4 so not only got PES C but he was given PES E. 8 to 5 job wearing No. 3 and worked in CMPB. Eat at hawker centre (bigger cook house but must pay for food). :o

Yes, yes.....
I also know of someone liddat.
Posted to air base and be security guard.
Still combat fit, so still have to go for reservist.

buttercarp
17-01-12, 08:06
My appoligies, it should PES. My son is PES B. But both private and government doctors think he should be PES C. Army doctor is more strict.

I've just got a letter from the govement doctor today suggesting SAF MO to give him some time to apply medicine.

But you know army is army. Unlikely they will care about all these details.
Fingers crosses for the first 2 weeks. Doctors say he will 100% result into downgrade to PES C.

Thanks,
Richard

Hi richwang, you prefer your son to downgrade to PES C?
If specialist think he can downgrade then usually it would be the case, cos as ysyap has said most of the time the SAF MO will go according to the specialist's recommendation.
Wish you and your son all the best, esp for his application to the coveted medical faculty in NUS.

westman
17-01-12, 08:17
Hi Richard, I think let your son goes through PES B training not only good for his health but also good value teaching for him too. Afterall, just two years to endure with.

Last but not least, returning back for i'n-camp training is fun as your son will be very looking forward for going back for more. It's best kept secret for most Singaporeans. Most males will says "siong" for in camp but I think deep im their heart, they welcome the short break from daily work routine.

Have fun and good luck.

stl67
17-01-12, 08:20
Hi Richard, I think let your son goes through PES B training not only good for his health but also good value teaching for him too. Afterall, just two years to endure with.

Last but not least, returning back for i'n-camp training is fun as your son will be very looking forward for going back for more. It's best kept secret for most Singaporeans. Most males will says "siong" for in camp but I think deep im their heart, they welcome the short break from daily work routine.

Have fun and good luck.

I look forward to in-camp training eventhough sometime go field camps. But it is really a break from office. so shiok

buttercarp
17-01-12, 08:24
I look forward to in-camp training eventhough sometime go field camps. But it is really a break from office. so shiok




Last but not least, returning back for i'n-camp training is fun as your son will be very looking forward for going back for more. It's best kept secret for most Singaporeans. Most males will says "siong" for in camp but I think deep im their heart, they welcome the short break from daily work routine.



Are you guys serious?
You enjoy ?
That's great actually.

Rosy
17-01-12, 08:59
Hi Richard, I think let your son goes through PES B training not only good for his health but also good value teaching for him too. Afterall, just two years to endure with.

Last but not least, returning back for i'n-camp training is fun as your son will be very looking forward for going back for more. It's best kept secret for most Singaporeans. Most males will says "siong" for in camp but I think deep im their heart, they welcome the short break from daily work routine.

Have fun and good luck.

I look forward to in-camp training eventhough sometime go field camps. But it is really a break from office. so shiok


my first book out in 1st week (happen there is a public holiday). i have the tot of AWOL liao. but after going thru the full NS, i tell myself lucky i didnt AWOL. NS is tough but the two years of training really turn a boy into a man. in NS u learn to help yr mate during difficult time (brunei training) and u really appreciate that kind of friendship. personally i find NS is good and i miss my NS days. reservist lagi best :D

that's great.

so you guys will voluntarily go back to reservists yearly even if you are given a choice not to?

and may i ask both of you that given if NS is not compulsory, will u encourage your sons to volunteer?

Given a chance to vote against NS obligation, will you guys vote?

ay123
17-01-12, 09:01
my first book out in 1st week (happen there is a public holiday). i have the tot of AWOL liao. but after going thru the full NS, i tell myself lucky i didnt AWOL. NS is tough but the two years of training really turn a boy into a man. in NS u learn to help yr mate during difficult time (brunei training) and u really appreciate that kind of friendship. personally i find NS is good and i miss my NS days. reservist lagi best :D

august
17-01-12, 09:35
Although pes B i had a desk job during the later part of my NS. I learn more from the office politics and than going to field camps. :p

westman
17-01-12, 09:40
Are you guys serious?
You enjoy ?
That's great actually.

Yes. It's nice to do catch up with old army pals.

The incamp training bring back the good old days memoeries....

Tell you one best kept secret, some took the opportunity to stay out looking for "wild fun"by telling their restrictive wives that they have "night training" thus need not able to return home for the night. Ladies, check out your husbands... :D

westman
17-01-12, 09:43
that's great.

so you guys will voluntarily go back to reservists yearly even if you are given a choice not to?

and may i ask both of you that given if NS is not compulsory, will u encourage your sons to volunteer?

Given a chance to vote against NS obligation, will you guys vote?

I've already completed my service but would not mind to serve so long my health permit and also my fellow army buddies participate too. Else, it would be no fun to join those junior batches...:)

I would not vote againsing NS obiligation as I think it serve us well. However, I'm concern foreign talents would be two years ahead of Singaporean males...

august
17-01-12, 09:44
I look forward to in-camp training eventhough sometime go field camps. But it is really a break from office. so shiok

i think u must have a tough day job haha. :D

given a choice most will never want to go back for reservist. The time and opportunity cost to career and life is simply too high.

august
17-01-12, 09:47
Are you guys serious?
You enjoy ?
That's great actually.

when one does not have a choice to get out of it, the next thing to do is to make the best out of it. :o

richwang
17-01-12, 10:52
Thank you all for the replies. It brings me to "the welcome feel" 18 years back when I newly arrived in Singapore.

I can still remember 2 incidents:
One is when I left my wallet on the MRT train when getting off, the gentleman picked it up and rushed out of the train to pass it to me. He missed the train and need to wait for the next one.

Another is a raining day when my wife was looking for a job at a remote place. A car stopped and offer her a free ride. My wife said she could wait for a taxi. But the lady said there is no taxi in such place.

I really love everyday Singaporeans.

Thanks,
Richard

Rosy
17-01-12, 11:37
Thank you all for the replies. It brings me to "the welcome feel" 18 years back when I newly arrived in Singapore.

I can still remember 2 incidents:
One is when I left my wallet on the MRT train when getting off, the gentleman picked it up and rushed out of the train to pass it to me. He missed the train and need to wait for the next one.

Another is a raining day when my wife was looking for a job at a remote place. A car stopped and offer her a free ride. My wife said she could wait for a taxi. But the lady said there is no taxi in such place.

I really love everyday Singaporeans.

Thanks,
Richard

glad to hear positive comments from fellow ex-foreigners despite some other negative comments by others

westman
17-01-12, 11:42
i think u must have a tough day job haha. :D

given a choice most will never want to go back for reservist. The time and opportunity cost to career and life is simply too high.


Hmmm... Seem like you either have a bad NS experience or you are a foreigner? No offend. :)

Given Singapore's high pressure work environment, it's not a bad idea to go in camp and take it as a retreat for recharging.

Rosy
17-01-12, 11:47
Hmmm... Seem like you either have a bad NS experience or you are a foreigner? No offend. :)

Given Singapore's high pressure work environment, it's not a bad idea to go in camp and take it as a retreat for recharging.

guys like you are far and between

really appreciate your heart towards our nation:)

august
17-01-12, 12:13
Hmmm... Seem like you either have a bad NS experience or you are a foreigner? No offend. :)

Given Singapore's high pressure work environment, it's not a bad idea to go in camp and take it as a retreat for recharging.

No lah, my 2.5y NS was quite lucky as i experienced a little of the field camp type of NS but the rest of it was the desk bound type of NS. reservist also desk bound but end up i defered most of them anyway hehe.

Yes i know of NSmen who are not adverse to all those jungle field camp stuff so good for them, but not me as i am very much an urban kid. my civilian life is way too precious than going back for reservist even if it is just for a few days. Different strokes for different folks i guess. :D

ysyap
17-01-12, 14:04
Oh yes... now NS is just 2 years, unlike in the past when it can be 2.5 years.... :)

ysyap
17-01-12, 14:05
Hmmm... Seem like you either have a bad NS experience or you are a foreigner? No offend. :)

Given Singapore's high pressure work environment, it's not a bad idea to go in camp and take it as a retreat for recharging.Agreed... ICT is actually a good getaway from work. Its the IPPT and RT that is irritating... :D

richwang
17-01-12, 15:34
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_744824.html

When the older generation in Singapore were serving NS for 2.5 years, Taiwan boys were serving 2.5 years.

When the newer generation in Singaproe have improve to 2 years, Taiwan is no 4 months.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I believe the most useful part of NS is BMT, so 4 months is very effieceint.

richwang
17-01-12, 15:42
REACH (REACH) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:55 PM

Dear Mr Wang,

Thank you for your email.
We will share your feedback with Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) and Ministry of Finance (MOF).

Best Regards,
REACH

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Defense budget should be invested in the most important factor: people.

NS men allowance should be increased to
S$1000.

We can afford to buy less weapons.

Thanks,
Richard

iwantgizmos
17-01-12, 15:53
REACH (REACH) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:55 PM

Dear Mr Wang,

Thank you for your email.
We will share your feedback with Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) and Ministry of Finance (MOF).

Best Regards,
REACH

======================
Defense budget should be invested in the most important factor: people.

NS men allowance should be increased to
S$1000.

We can afford to buy less weapons.

Thanks,
Richard
i can bet you won't get a reply/update from them. :banana:

fclim
17-01-12, 16:31
I have two friends who were PES A when doing NS. But they managed to downgrade to PES C now. Anywhere, it is impossible to manage a troop where 9 out 10 would rather not to do it.

As for my son, my view is: if he can be trained as PES B, that's great. He has some genetic related skin condition not suitable for heat, dust, etc.
Within the 1st two weeks, we will know whether he will need to be downgraded.

My son himself insists to remain in PES B. My worry is he might over stretch himself. Anyway, by mid-Feb we will know.

Thanks,
Richard

Your son is right. Work hard in BMT and qualify for Officer Cadet School (OCS). It enhances the chances of landing a government scholarship. Many people can score A's, but not many can go into OCS. That is one of the consideration for attitude and leadership potential in all scholarship interviews. It gives your son an edge over others. :)

fclim
17-01-12, 16:34
i can bet you won't get a reply/update from them. :banana:

The words "This is a computer generated reply" have been deleted. Whahaha..

ysyap
17-01-12, 20:11
Your son is right. Work hard in BMT and qualify for Officer Cadet School (OCS). It enhances the chances of landing a government scholarship. Many people can score A's, but not many can go into OCS. That is one of the consideration for attitude and leadership potential in all scholarship interviews. It gives your son an edge over others. :)Its a double edged sword. Being an officer might have a less oppressive life in NS but here are the cons.

1. Its still in middle management and sometimes its really an unpleasant experience.
2. After ORD, still have to serve reservist longer than most others.
3. If in army you exert your power on your men, then when you go out to work, one of your men becomes your boss, you'll regret your earlier actions in the army.

ysyap
17-01-12, 20:13
REACH (REACH) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:55 PM

Dear Mr Wang,

Thank you for your email.
We will share your feedback with Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) and Ministry of Finance (MOF).

Best Regards,
REACH

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Defense budget should be invested in the most important factor: people.

NS men allowance should be increased to
S$1000.

We can afford to buy less weapons.

Thanks,
RichardYour mail lacks the impact. I doubt there'll be any response from MINDEF. :rolleyes:

fclim
17-01-12, 23:43
Its a double edged sword. Being an officer might have a less oppressive life in NS but here are the cons.

1. Its still in middle management and sometimes its really an unpleasant experience.
2. After ORD, still have to serve reservist longer than most others.
3. If in army you exert your power on your men, then when you go out to work, one of your men becomes your boss, you'll regret your earlier actions in the army.

You will be surprised. Nowadays, if their son does not get into OCS, parents actually call up the CO to ask why their son was not selected. Getting into OCS gives their son a shot at the prestigious President's Scholarship or SAF Overseas Scholarship.

There are other merits too. Being a young 19 year old entrusted with the lives of 30 men is very good leadership training and can be a rewarding experience, depending on how you make use of it. But, the opportunities to exercise your leadership skills are much more. These are useful life skills. :2cents:

bargain hunter
18-01-12, 01:34
yes. 18 years ago, it was great, no difference between locals and foreigners. :D


Thank you all for the replies. It brings me to "the welcome feel" 18 years back when I newly arrived in Singapore.

I can still remember 2 incidents:
One is when I left my wallet on the MRT train when getting off, the gentleman picked it up and rushed out of the train to pass it to me. He missed the train and need to wait for the next one.

Another is a raining day when my wife was looking for a job at a remote place. A car stopped and offer her a free ride. My wife said she could wait for a taxi. But the lady said there is no taxi in such place.

I really love everyday Singaporeans.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
18-01-12, 05:39
You will be surprised. Nowadays, if their son does not get into OCS, parents actually call up the CO to ask why their son was not selected. Getting into OCS gives their son a shot at the prestigious President's Scholarship or SAF Overseas Scholarship.

There are other merits too. Being a young 19 year old entrusted with the lives of 30 men is very good leadership training and can be a rewarding experience, depending on how you make use of it. But, the opportunities to exercise your leadership skills are much more. These are useful life skills. :2cents:I do not disagree with you but how many president's scholars are there to be selected? :scared-3: The leadership opportunity is probably the most tangible advantage. :)

westman
18-01-12, 07:13
guys like you are far and between

really appreciate your heart towards our nation:)

I'm trying to be as honest as I can...

I must confess that I'm not that noble for nation matters...however, I welcome the in camp trainings that bring back comradeship from old army pals for which it's rare to find and experience when you "upping" cooperate ladders...

Hmmm... Time to conduct another roll call for dinner gathering for luo hei with old army buddies during the forecoming CNY.... Hautx3!!!!!!!!

land118
18-01-12, 11:12
I do not disagree with you but how many president's scholars are there to be selected? :scared-3: The leadership opportunity is probably the most tangible advantage. :) Ya, army training do reveal different colours/patterns of a person, when put under physical and mental/situational stress and fatigue.., most of the time can tell the "wayang kings' from the true-blue potential leaders...; sort out those who want to work as a team and those who do certain things to get attention and "score points"

fclim
18-01-12, 14:25
Ya, army training do reveal different colours/patterns of a person, when put under physical and mental/situational stress and fatigue.., most of the time can tell the "wayang kings' from the true-blue potential leaders...; sort out those who want to work as a team and those who do certain things to get attention and "score points"

Ya. I had a platoon mate who was extremely helpful to everyone and always volunteered to do things. Then, when the Best Trainee was announced and it wasn't him, boy, it was a 180 degrees turn. Became very lazy, unhelpful and unfriendly to everyone. I could not believe my eyes in the sudden change in him. Realised he was "wayang" all the while to gain support and to look good in the eyes of his instructors...

richwang
20-01-12, 08:42
http://www.marcfaberchannel.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-01-19T08:55:00-08:00&max-results=1

Marc Faber: WW3 within 5 years (http://www.marcfaberchannel.blogspot.com/2012/01/marc-faber-ww3-within-5-years.html)



Marc Faber (http://marcfaberchannel.blogspot.com/) : “World War III will occur in the next five years. That means the Middle East will blow up. New regimes there will be less Western-friendly. The West has also figured out it can't contain China, which is rising rapidly and will have more military and naval power in Southeast Asia. The only way for the West to contain China is to control the oil tap in the Middle East”

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Singapore must build up a crediable arms force to ensure nobody wants to pay the extremely high price to attach Singapore.

If Chairman Mao in China could send his son to fight Korean war (and died there), Singapore army generals must fight in real wars (in Middle East?) to earn credit to be true generals. Voters will then have no problem for them to be paid million dollars.

Thanks,
Richard

hopeful
20-01-12, 10:15
http://www.marcfaberchannel.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-01-19T08:55:00-08:00&max-results=1

Marc Faber: WW3 within 5 years (http://www.marcfaberchannel.blogspot.com/2012/01/marc-faber-ww3-within-5-years.html)



Marc Faber (http://marcfaberchannel.blogspot.com/) : “World War III will occur in the next five years. That means the Middle East will blow up. New regimes there will be less Western-friendly. The West has also figured out it can't contain China, which is rising rapidly and will have more military and naval power in Southeast Asia. The only way for the West to contain China is to control the oil tap in the Middle East”

===================
Singapore must build up a crediable arms force to ensure nobody wants to pay the extremely high price to attach Singapore.

If Chairman Mao in China could send his son to fight Korean war (and died there), Singapore army generals must fight in real wars (in Middle East?) to earn credit to be true generals. Voters will then have no problem for them to be paid million dollars.

Thanks,
Richard

Why you want your children to die for your country?
This General Patton has a much better idea.
"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country."

richwang
20-01-12, 11:02
I bet you've never been to the army.

"There will be only two types of people left in this batter field: those who are dead, and those who fight and dead. "

Guess what, people fought and survived.

Cheers! Richard

Regulators
20-01-12, 14:40
In camp training for reservist is a waste of taxpayers money n the bulk of the defense spending comes from there. My friend running a business was compensated about $10k for every two weeks he goes back to do his reservist. After a while they gave up calling him back for some reason I am not sure. Moreover his role in the army is rather small and insignificant and yet they have to pay him thousands each time they call him up. Can you imagine the millions MOD have to spend calling back these ppl for ict? For me, I was never called back once since I went overseas to study and I think they have made the wise move of saving taxpayers money.

ysyap
20-01-12, 15:10
In camp training for reservist is a waste of taxpayers money n the bulk of the defense spending comes from there. My friend running a business was compensated about $10k for every two weeks he goes back to do his reservist. After a while they gave up calling him back for some reason I am not sure. Moreover his role in the army is rather small and insignificant and yet they have to pay him thousands each time they call him up. Can you imagine the millions MOD have to spend calling back these ppl for ict? For me, I was never called back once since I went overseas to study and I think they have made the wise move of saving taxpayers money.Good for you. No wonder I was called back nearly every semester break during my Uni days... :doh: Cleared nearly 4 high key ICTs and 1 low key by the time I graduated... :scared-2:

Regulators
20-01-12, 15:19
My other friend who is paid peanuts was called back without fail every year and his reservist unit only stood down two to three years ago. When your pay run into six or seven figures yearly, I think they have a policy now not to call such ppl back for ict.
Good for you. No wonder I was called back nearly every semester break during my Uni days... :doh: Cleared nearly 4 high key ICTs and 1 low key by the time I graduated... :scared-2:

richwang
22-01-12, 03:42
My boss was not called back for years and received the army thank you letter.
The support staff in my department is called back every year.
So with this huge amount of call back budget, it might be more cost effective to form professional army. I mean dramatically expand the current professional army, and shorten the general NS to eventually 4 months.

And NO general in camp call back.

Thanks,
Richard

august
22-01-12, 13:12
My boss was not called back for years and received the army thank you letter.
The support staff in my department is called back every year.
So with this huge amount of call back budget, it might be more cost effective to form professional army. I mean dramatically expand the current professional army, and shorten the general NS to eventually 4 months.

And NO general in camp call back.

Thanks,
Richard

good suggestion, but as long as PAP remains as ruling party NS and SAF will remain the same.

ysyap
22-01-12, 13:44
good suggestion, but as long as PAP remains as ruling party NS and SAF will remain the same.NS is constantly evolving under PAP lah... last time NSFs are the cooks, now its SFI. Last time NS 2.5 years for 'A' levels and diploma holders, now its 2 years for one and all. Things are constantly changing lah...

richwang
22-01-12, 14:35
In our generation, most of the forumers served 2.5 years, people in Taiwan served 2.5 years;
In our next generation, kids in Singapore serve 2 years. But people in Taiwan serve 4 months.

Shall we blame our kids are too soft,
or
shall we blame ourselves are changing too slow?!

I don't think anything can happen quick enough for my son, but I do believe we need to do something for our grand children!

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
22-01-12, 14:39
South Korea is another NS country (not many left in the world). But the national football team members are exempted from NS.
No wonder they fight so hard!

I am sure whoever support this suggestion will win a lot votes from football fans (including Malays.)

Social mobility is not just by doing well in PSLE.
Football (or excel in anything) can bring in to the top as well.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
22-01-12, 14:51
There are 3 girls in my son's school who have signed on to join Singapore professional army (they are granted Air Force scholarship).

So you see, there are takers if you pay a premium to join the army - even for girls.

Thanks,
Richard

hyenergix
22-01-12, 14:56
There are 3 girls in my son's school who have signed on to join Singapore professional army (they are granted Air Force scholarship).

So you see, there are takers if you pay a premium to join the army - even for girls.

Thanks,
Richard

In Singapore, Air Force and Navy are in different league from Army, right down to the canteen food and other welfare. Nobody wants to join Army now, particularly the Specialists track. However there are still people clamoring to join Air Force and Navy.

2824
22-01-12, 16:55
In Singapore, Air Force and Navy are in different league from Army, right down to the canteen food and other welfare. Nobody wants to join Army now, particularly the Specialists track. However there are still people clamoring to join Air Force and Navy.
Just outsource the infantry lor :beats-me-man:

ysyap
23-01-12, 07:05
In our generation, most of the forumers served 2.5 years, people in Taiwan served 2.5 years;
In our next generation, kids in Singapore serve 2 years. But people in Taiwan serve 4 months.

Shall we blame our kids are too soft,
or
shall we blame ourselves are changing too slow?!

I don't think anything can happen quick enough for my son, but I do believe we need to do something for our grand children!

Thanks,
RichardWhy do you think shorter NS tenure is better? Why must we blame ourselves or our kids coz NS term is longer here than in Taiwan? Why not blame the Taiwanese for too rapid a change?

Why do we need to blame? No need to blame lah...

Happy Lunar New Year to everybody...

howgozit
25-01-12, 17:00
In our generation, most of the forumers served 2.5 years, people in Taiwan served 2.5 years;
In our next generation, kids in Singapore serve 2 years. But people in Taiwan serve 4 months.

Shall we blame our kids are too soft,
or
shall we blame ourselves are changing too slow?!

I don't think anything can happen quick enough for my son, but I do believe we need to do something for our grand children!

Thanks,
Richard

Taiwan and South Korea are not good comparisons.

The population of these 2 countries are far larger than Singapore at 23million and 50million respectively. Seoul alone has a population of 10million. Singapore simply does not have enough citizens to form a credible force on a professional basis. As it is, many things that can be outsourced are already outsourced.

Israel at 7+million is a closer comparison in terms of population size and geopolitical situation. Both Israeli men and women are conscripted for 3 and 2 years respectively. (Arab Israelis are exempted among other exemptions on religious grounds).

I think Singapore should not be in either extremes.

Ultimately it boils down to the threat. And it actually does not matter if the threat is perceived or real.

Will Singapore ever reach the point where NS is no longer required? Improbable but not impossible. One possibility is a federation of sorts like NATO. Currently we have a FPDA (Five Power Defence Arrangement) which is similar in philiosophy as NATO but far from it in terms of execution. The only other SEA country in FPDA is Malaysia.

At the moment and near future it is highly unlikely that Singapore and her neighbours will align political, military and even economic objectives.

richwang
31-01-12, 03:25
My son is getting into the army today. With his skin condition, I am very panic.
His friend is even worse, with a height of 1.8m but only weights 50kg, cannot even run 1km. After waiting for months due to a heart condition, my son's friend is still classified as PES B. The mother almost cries.
My son's other friend is a rugby player, due to some color blindness, he is also PES B.

So PES Bs are very different.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
31-01-12, 03:37
The current army schedule is:

A Level exams, a couple of months break, 2 years army, then university.

The alternative schedule could be:

A Level exams, 4month army (with BMT), university, and then 1.5 year army.

The alternative schedule will ensure kids get university degrees earlier. The 1.5 years army will have a better trained human resource, in particular if army is smart enough to allocate them to relevant units.

The world has changed a lot, army can now use flying machines to fight. The organizational efficiency of army needs to be dramatically improved. After all, defense consumes the most of Singapore budget.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. The alternative schedule is currently practiced for Medicine, Law and PSC scholars. Surely it can be extended to engineering, computer science, life science and many more.

howgozit
31-01-12, 10:54
The current army schedule is:

A Level exams, a couple of months break, 2 years army, then university.

The alternative schedule could be:

A Level exams, 4month army (with BMT), university, and then 1.5 year army.

The alternative schedule will ensure kids get university degrees earlier. The 1.5 years army will have a better trained human resource, in particular if army is smart enough to allocate them to relevant units.

The world has changed a lot, army can now use flying machines to fight. The organizational efficiency of army needs to be dramatically improved. After all, defense consumes the most of Singapore budget.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. The alternative schedule is currently practiced for Medicine, Law and PSC scholars. Surely it can be extended to engineering, computer science, life science and many more.

Not for Law unless PSC scholarship.

For medicine students, this schedule is because the SAF would prefer to utilise them as MOs. So it is more sensible for them to qualify as doctors first then serve their NS liabilty as an MO.

howgozit
31-01-12, 11:15
The alternative schedule you talked about is a good idea.

There are some things to consider.

1. This schedule caters for those who aspire to continue their education in university, what about those who do not want to or don't qualify for university? This would mean splitting the cohort and may be perceived as elitist.

2. The alternative schedule would also mean that after obtaining their degrees, the NSF would be unemployable till they have served the remaining terms of their NS liabilities. This 1.5 year or so hiatus may render their education less relevant as compared to a fresh graduate straight into the workforce.

3. For those who aspire to study overseas, it may be a problem. Once the exit permit is granted, the chances of the NSF returning to complete their service is slim. Many would also be inclined to work overseas after obtaining their degress. It would be cumbersomes for them to return to Singapore.




The current army schedule is:

A Level exams, a couple of months break, 2 years army, then university.

The alternative schedule could be:

A Level exams, 4month army (with BMT), university, and then 1.5 year army.

The alternative schedule will ensure kids get university degrees earlier. The 1.5 years army will have a better trained human resource, in particular if army is smart enough to allocate them to relevant units.

The world has changed a lot, army can now use flying machines to fight. The organizational efficiency of army needs to be dramatically improved. After all, defense consumes the most of Singapore budget.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. The alternative schedule is currently practiced for Medicine, Law and PSC scholars. Surely it can be extended to engineering, computer science, life science and many more.

august
31-01-12, 11:21
The alternative schedule you talked about is a good idea.

There are some things to consider.

1. This schedule caters for those who aspire to continue their education in university, what about those who do not want to or don't qualify for university? This would mean splitting the cohort and may be perceived as elitist.

2. The alternative schedule would also mean that after obtaining their degrees, the NSF would be unemployable till they have served the remaining terms of their NS liabilities. This 1.5 year or so hiatus may render their education less relevant as compared to a fresh graduate straight into the workforce.


1. during my time there are those O level or A level ones who could not or intend to do higher studies they opt to start their NS earlier.

2. This has been the case for poly graduates all along. LOL

fair or not fair this is the SAF, an organisation that is not likely to mend its ham fisted ways unless there are progressive changes in spore's political scene.

howgozit
31-01-12, 11:44
1. during my time there are those O level or A level ones who could not or intend to do higher studies they opt to start their NS earlier.

2. This has been the case for poly graduates all along. LOL

fair or not fair this is the SAF, an organisation that is not likely to mend its ham fisted ways unless there are progressive changes in spore's political scene.

There are still those who do NS after 'O' levels and continue to Polytechnic or join the workforce thereafter. Last time and nowadays no difference.

Howver, there is a big difference between what you are saying and what Rich is suggesting. That is to do 4 months of SAF then go to the university, serve the rest later. This is vastly different from what you are saying wrt to the Polytechnic students after 'O' levels.

The 4 months cover exactly the void before a typical university term starts and after 'A' levels. So there is no time lost. It's like summer camp before starting university. If you forgive me for saying so, reading between the lines, I think what Rich is suggesting may viewed pro-elitist.

I am more inclined to leave politics out of the picture. Given our geopolitical situation, I'm not so sure if any other political party takes over the running of the country the defence arrangements can be very different from what it is now.

hopeful
31-01-12, 12:18
My son is getting into the army today. With his skin condition, I am very panic.
His friend is even worse, with a height of 1.8m but only weights 50kg, cannot even run 1km. After waiting for months due to a heart condition, my son's friend is still classified as PES B. The mother almost cries.
My son's other friend is a rugby player, due to some color blindness, he is also PES B.

So PES Bs are very different.

Thanks,
Richard

nothing useful to add, but an observation. birds of the same feather flock together? or if stick with "unhealthy" people, chances of becoming "unhealthy" is higher? many times I am confused between cause and effect.

ay123
31-01-12, 13:07
really nothing to be afraid abt NS. is time for yr child to learn to be independent and mature. the only thing that cannot get use to is to wake up very early to do 5BX (morning exercise). but once get use to the routine, everyday is the same. give yr child a chance to be independent.

richwang
31-01-12, 16:10
Just came back from Pular Tekong. I have to say SAF PR is 1st world.
My wife was crying when we were first separated from my son after entering Tekong Island.
But guess what, after we completed our camp tour, we got a 2nd chance to meet my son at the Auditorium. We even had lunch with him. It seemed like my son had magically reappeared after disappearing for 1 hr. It proves nothing would go wrong even if it is out of our control.
My wife is now calling her Mum and reporting Singapore BMTC is like a Resort.
Apparently she has never been to an army.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
31-01-12, 17:04
Just came back from Pular Tekong. I have to say SAF PR is 1st world.
My wife was crying when we were first separated from my son after entering Tekong Island.
But guess what, after we completed our camp tour, we got a 2nd chance to meet my son at the Auditorium. We even had lunch with him. It seemed like my son had magically reappeared after disappearing for 1 hr. It proves nothing would go wrong even if it is out of our control.
My wife is now calling her Mum and reporting Singapore BMTC is like a Resort.
Apparently she has never been to an army.

Thanks,
RichardYour wife is not wrong... BMTC is like a resort but in comparison with the trainings I endured some 15 yrs back and even more a holiday hotel compared with what my dad endured in 1970. :cheers1:

ysyap
31-01-12, 17:10
The alternative schedule you talked about is a good idea.

There are some things to consider.

1. This schedule caters for those who aspire to continue their education in university, what about those who do not want to or don't qualify for university? This would mean splitting the cohort and may be perceived as elitist.

2. The alternative schedule would also mean that after obtaining their degrees, the NSF would be unemployable till they have served the remaining terms of their NS liabilities. This 1.5 year or so hiatus may render their education less relevant as compared to a fresh graduate straight into the workforce.

3. For those who aspire to study overseas, it may be a problem. Once the exit permit is granted, the chances of the NSF returning to complete their service is slim. Many would also be inclined to work overseas after obtaining their degress. It would be cumbersomes for them to return to Singapore.And may I add if SAF enlist soldiers only after they complete their University, they cannot just pay them as an 'A' level holder. Parents and other stakeholders will surely complain that the soldier is now qualified and should command a higher pay which I suspect SAF is not willing to pay monthly. For analysis, say each enlistment sees an intake of about 20 000 soldiers, of which 5 000 are degree holders, they are paying some $2 000 more (at the bear minimum) per soldier per month, which works out to be about $10 mil more each month... how's that for defence? ;)

richwang
31-01-12, 17:28
At my age, 1.5 years is nothing.
But when you were 20+, 1.5 years is good enough to have a baby.

We really need to optimize the time for young men to go through NS, university (and maybe masters), marriage, buying flat and having baby.

True, SAF will need to pay more for graduate NS men, but that money is great for them to setup a new family.

I am happy to pay a tax for that.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. Maybe I should set aside S$1.8K per month for my son - this is the amount his lady counterpart is making right now.

richwang
31-01-12, 17:43
http://www.mof.gov.sg/budget_2011/download/FY2011_Budget_Highlights.pdf

If the defense budget goes up by 120M (or 0.12B) due to young men get their degrees first (and army gets better human resource), the impact for the total defense budget of S$11.5B is surprisingly limited (about 1%).

The benefit for the society is tremendous.

So I don't think money is the main issue.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
31-01-12, 17:55
When my son and other young men shouted out the SAF Pledge:

"We will preserve and protect the honour and independence of our country with our lives."

I broke into tears when "Majulah Singapura" followed.

Calling oneself "Singaporean" is so heavy.

My son qualifies, I am not.

Thanks,
Richard

howgozit
31-01-12, 17:56
I think 1.5 years is a long time for any age. Good enough to have a baby or not have a baby.

I am also not sure if a an NSman would use the extra income to set up a family.

Deciding on the right age to conscript is highly debatable but most agree that just prior to embarking on tertiary education would be the optimum.

At my age, 1.5 years is nothing.
But when you were 20+, 1.5 years is good enough to have a baby.

We really need to optimize the time for young men to go through NS, university (and maybe masters), marriage, buying flat and having baby.

True, SAF will need to pay more for graduate NS men, but that money is great for them to setup a new family.

I am happy to pay a tax for that.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. Maybe I should set aside S$1.8K per month for my son - this is the amount his lady counterpart is making right now.

land118
31-01-12, 18:03
When my son and other young men shouted out the SAF Pledge:

"We will preserve and protect the honour and independence of our country with our lives."

I broke into tears when "Majulah Singapura" followed.

Calling oneself "Singaporean" is so heavy.

My son qualifies, I am not.

Thanks,
RichardBro Richard, maybe it's time, since u break tears, it's time to call this land home..., and that's where we belong...:D

richwang
31-01-12, 21:41
My son just called. He says Sir is very nice. Army has kept all his medicines - the pills cause sleepiness. They will monitor him every night after he takes medicine to ensure he is ok.

When I was in army in china, my Sir was 10 years older than I was. They graduated from Professional Army University.

I was very skeptic about the extreme young age of Singapore Sir. I guess I will be proven wrong. They are indeed very professional.

When faced with the choice of staying in Singapore and serve the army or go to china without the need to serve army. My son has chosen Singapore without hesitation. His justification:

In Singapore, there is trust.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
31-01-12, 21:53
A friend of my son who is an American citizen is now in Singapore NS.
He went to London and got an offer for Medicine in one of the top 5 UK universities.
After lots of struggling and eventually decided to fly back and he is now in NS.
I also saw another Western parent today, so Singapore army is getting more diversified.
You don't believe it, but there are 10+ girls in the NS as well. That will give my son some extra motivation.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
31-01-12, 22:03
When I start to decide how long I should put aside S$1800 for my son, I start to realize even when he graduates, he won't be able to compete with his female counterparts because they would have 2 years working experience by then. So he will need to play the catching up work.

If he would be able to catch up by age 35, that is 16 years. Using an interest rate of 4% per year. That is a shocking S$500,000.

If the difference is only S$1000, and he could catch up in 10 years, and using an interest rate of just 3%. That would be S$139,000.

Thanks,
Richard

lifeline
31-01-12, 22:09
Hi Richard,

Like yours, my son also got enlisted today. Tekong looks very nice now, compared to my time way back. Today is the day they start their journey to become a man. The PR and posters (even those in the toilets!) are truly inspiring!

Regards,
lifeline

ysyap
01-02-12, 03:47
When I start to decide how long I should put aside S$1800 for my son, I start to realize even when he graduates, he won't be able to compete with his female counterparts because they would have 2 years working experience by then. So he will need to play the catching up work.

If he would be able to catch up by age 35, that is 16 years. Using an interest rate of 4% per year. That is a shocking S$500,000.

If the difference is only S$1000, and he could catch up in 10 years, and using an interest rate of just 3%. That would be S$139,000.

Thanks,
RichardThis is an agelong debate and if it hasn't changed these past 30 years, do you think it ever will in the next many more years? Well, just ask your son to work in the public sector and he will be getting probably 2 increment above his fellow non NS colleagues. If its work experience, its difficult to argue because he may be having so much more leadership opportunity if he's an army officer (Sir) or a sergeant. ;)

Btw, how did you derive at those figures? If you assume that your son will catch up, i.e. with each passing year, the income difference will not be stagnant at $1800 or $1000. It will become less so the principle sum gets smaller and smaller. :cheers5: Don't think too much lah! :cheers4:

richwang
05-02-12, 02:24
My son has survived the first week training. The officer is nice enough to allow him to wake up 13 minutes early to apply medicine to his skin. He now wakes up at 4:47am. (Although the parent briefing session showed they officially wake up at 5:30am.)

His IPPT Test is graded A. Is IPPT Test result linked to Army career posting?

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
05-02-12, 07:09
My son has survived the first week training. The officer is nice enough to allow him to wake up 13 minutes early to apply medicine to his skin. He now wakes up at 4:47am. (Although the parent briefing session showed they officially wake up at 5:30am.)

His IPPT Test is graded A. Is IPPT Test result linked to Army career posting?

Thanks,
RichardI doubt so unless its really so so bad (maybe). His vocation in the army has already been pathed out before his enlistment, only to be confirmed after his 'A' level results. If he's a poly grad, then even more confirmed coz results are probably out already. :o

howgozit
05-02-12, 10:59
My son has survived the first week training. The officer is nice enough to allow him to wake up 13 minutes early to apply medicine to his skin. He now wakes up at 4:47am. (Although the parent briefing session showed they officially wake up at 5:30am.)

His IPPT Test is graded A. Is IPPT Test result linked to Army career posting?

Thanks,
Richard

IPPT results a factor but not a determinant. Similar to academic qualifications, there is a minimum requirement. During BMT, a situational assessment will be conducted to gauge their suitability for the various vocations including OCS.

In these assessments, recruits are organised in groups to solve problems not necessarily military in nature. There will be specially trained external assesors to grade them individually on leadership, initiative, teamwork....etc.

richwang
05-02-12, 15:54
When I was in Chinese army, I had 8 hours sleeping time during winter, and 7.5 hours during summer. It seems Singapore NSmen only have 7- hours sleeping time. Maybe we are in super summer here?

But is 7- hours sleeping time enough?

Thanks,
Richard

DC33_2008
05-02-12, 16:03
7-hour sleep is uncommon in BMT. I thought more like 5.5 - 6 hours as we have to do area cleaning. Heard it is done by contractor these days. But we have developed the art of sleeping in the day during training.
When I was in Chinese army, I had 8 hours sleeping time during winter, and 7.5 hours during summer. It seems Singapore NSmen only have 7- hours sleeping time. Maybe we are in super summer here?

But is 7- hours sleeping time enough?

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
05-02-12, 22:04
http://www.hooah4health.com/deployment/armysleepguide.htm

Seven to eight hours of sleep in each 24 hours will sustain performance indefinitely.

http://helpguide.org/life/sleeping.htm

Adults (18+) 7.5 - 9 hrs.

Having enough sleeping hours is as important at having enough food to keep the performance of the NSmen.

Let's handle army professionally.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
05-02-12, 22:14
When i was in the chinese army, we clean the toilets as well. But we rotate the role. So in my unit of 120 people, there are always 8 as support role for a week. We roughly clean toilets for a week in every 3 months. When you are in support role, you focus on the support role and excused for some training.

There is no excuse to sleep late (or wake up early). Indeed your officer will be punished by his superior if someone is not obey the sleeping rules.

Thanks,
Richard

bargain hunter
06-02-12, 09:07
please don't remind me of my sleeping hours during my mono intake BMT. 5 hours of sleep is a luxury. every other day turn out in the middle of the night. some days say empty ALL the belongings into ali baba bag and bring down to fall in. horror days. i do not think they practice such nonsense any more. 7 hours these days already good life.


7-hour sleep is uncommon in BMT. I thought more like 5.5 - 6 hours as we have to do area cleaning. Heard it is done by contractor these days. But we have developed the art of sleeping in the day during training.

ysyap
06-02-12, 09:18
When I was in Chinese army, I had 8 hours sleeping time during winter, and 7.5 hours during summer. It seems Singapore NSmen only have 7- hours sleeping time. Maybe we are in super summer here?

But is 7- hours sleeping time enough?

Thanks,
RichardWe clean rifle till 11pm or have night snack during BMT till 10 plus pm. Then go for quick shower and hop onto bed by 11pm. Wake up at 5.15am to freshen up and fall in by 5.45am. 6.5 hours on a normal day. BUT when there is night training or range session, we go back by 12am. Clean rifle then send rifle by 12.30am. Clean up and sleep by 1am. Wake up by 5.30am again and everything back to routine. 4.5 hours of sleep...

Cannot be so calculative... give and take. This is army, not resort world Sentosa. As much as there is a set of rule to govern the training routines, there are always exceptions. 7 hours of sleep is very decent already.

ysyap
06-02-12, 09:19
please don't remind me of my sleeping hours during my mono intake BMT. 5 hours of sleep is a luxury. every other day turn out in the middle of the night. some days say empty ALL the belongings into ali baba bag and bring down to fall in. horror days. i do not think they practice such nonsense any more. 7 hours these days already good life.U commando mono intake or guards mono intake?

iwantgizmos
06-02-12, 09:26
We clean rifle till 11pm or have night snack during BMT till 10 plus pm. Then go for quick shower and hop onto bed by 11pm. Wake up at 5.15am to freshen up and fall in by 5.45am. 6.5 hours on a normal day. BUT when there is night training or range session, we go back by 12am. Clean rifle then send rifle by 12.30am. Clean up and sleep by 1am. Wake up by 5.30am again and everything back to routine. 4.5 hours of sleep...

Cannot be so calculative... give and take. This is army, not resort world Sentosa. As much as there is a set of rule to govern the training routines, there are always exceptions. 7 hours of sleep is very decent already.
this made me laugh.... so true....
now NS, they have duffel bags with wheels... like going for holiday like dat....

ysyap
06-02-12, 09:34
this made me laugh.... so true....
now NS, they have duffel bags with wheels... like going for holiday like dat....No choice.. need wheels coz no maid to help carry their bags and the roads in the jungle are all concrete pavements... :D

bargain hunter
06-02-12, 09:37
only armour mono intake leh. no idea why they did this to us. :mad:


U commando mono intake or guards mono intake?

ysyap
06-02-12, 09:43
only armour mono intake leh. no idea why they did this to us. :mad:Wah... I only know commando and guards mono intake got this type of treatment... didn't hear from armour... Think OCS also got once in their training schedule. Me SIR unit for 2 yrs never had this nonsense! But me not mono intake... :o

ay123
06-02-12, 10:08
please don't remind me of my sleeping hours during my mono intake BMT. 5 hours of sleep is a luxury. every other day turn out in the middle of the night. some days say empty ALL the belongings into ali baba bag and bring down to fall in. horror days. i do not think they practice such nonsense any more. 7 hours these days already good life.

my days....most time we slept after 12am or maybe 1am. remember my buddies always come to our bunk tcss until 3plus and wake up at 5am......is tough but quite miss those carefree days (need not worry of future becos u are stuck for 2 yrs)

ay123
06-02-12, 10:14
Wah... I only know commando and guards mono intake got this type of treatment... didn't hear from armour... Think OCS also got once in their training schedule. Me SIR unit for 2 yrs never had this nonsense! But me not mono intake... :o

i guards mono intake, do see such treatment but lucky didnt happen to my platoon. is depending on yr platoon seargent. remember last time our platoon sergent always like to hang out with us so when come to weekend guard duty planning, he will have headache cos he don know whose name to put. so he has to bring the guard duty book and ask around who can take the weekend duty......of course he ganna F by us so those seldom hang out with him will get more duty :D

august
06-02-12, 10:44
When i was in the chinese army, we clean the toilets as well. But we rotate the role. So in my unit of 120 people, there are always 8 as support role for a week. We roughly clean toilets for a week in every 3 months. When you are in support role, you focus on the support role and excused for some training.

There is no excuse to sleep late (or wake up early). Indeed your officer will be punished by his superior if someone is not obey the sleeping rules.

Thanks,
Richard

my time BMT 5 hrs sleep is the norm... rarely can get 6 hrs. During range shooting even worse, just 4-4.5 hrs. This is why everyone is so tired. i hated BMT and attributes it to organisation ineptness of the SAF and its regulars. Sleep depreivation is not humane and worse than any tough physical training.

AFAIK the rules are like no rules. the instructors pretty much do what they like with impunity. Today things have since changed, i was told.

bargain hunter
06-02-12, 11:06
TCSS?!?!??! so lucky! %@#@%%@# :ashamed1: hehehe

i only remember, entire platoon (or was it company?!) climbing down and up 4 storeys like madmen, packing and unpacking! then same thing sleep 3am to 5am.





my days....most time we slept after 12am or maybe 1am. remember my buddies always come to our bunk tcss until 3plus and wake up at 5am......is tough but quite miss those carefree days (need not worry of future becos u are stuck for 2 yrs)

ysyap
06-02-12, 13:02
TCSS?!?!??! so lucky! %@#@%%@# :ashamed1: hehehe

i only remember, entire platoon (or was it company?!) climbing down and up 4 storeys like madmen, packing and unpacking! then same thing sleep 3am to 5am.Oh yes.. I remember that experience. I was from Foxtrot so it occupies the top floor (4th floor or something). Then we come down full pack inspection. Then line everything out then sergeant PMS or what, keep everything and race up to our bunks and look down. Then next command is for us to run down a different flight of stairs and then unpack everything again. Then repeat cycle again. Other platoon watching must be so grateful that they are not in our platoon.... :mad: Hey u 7 BTS is it? Heard that 2 batches after our POP, that same platoon sergeant went into DB. :scared-4: He got 'ang kong' all over his body and had criminal records outside army... :scared-1:. Yup, he kicks us with his boots before but we thought those were normal treatment. Well apparently we were wrong!:)

land118
06-02-12, 13:41
We clean rifle till 11pm or have night snack during BMT till 10 plus pm. Then go for quick shower and hop onto bed by 11pm. Wake up at 5.15am to freshen up and fall in by 5.45am. 6.5 hours on a normal day. BUT when there is night training or range session, we go back by 12am. Clean rifle then send rifle by 12.30am. Clean up and sleep by 1am. Wake up by 5.30am again and everything back to routine. 4.5 hours of sleep...

Cannot be so calculative... give and take. This is army, not resort world Sentosa. As much as there is a set of rule to govern the training routines, there are always exceptions. 7 hours of sleep is very decent already. well said, if need more sleep, later Mindef will say extend NS back to 2.5 years like last time...:D

bargain hunter
06-02-12, 14:00
no ah, armour mono intake, not BTS. we don't get kicked. the platoon sergeants are smart there. tekan in the name of turnout (which is legal).


Oh yes.. I remember that experience. I was from Foxtrot so it occupies the top floor (4th floor or something). Then we come down full pack inspection. Then line everything out then sergeant PMS or what, keep everything and race up to our bunks and look down. Then next command is for us to run down a different flight of stairs and then unpack everything again. Then repeat cycle again. Other platoon watching must be so grateful that they are not in our platoon.... :mad: Hey u 7 BTS is it? Heard that 2 batches after our POP, that same platoon sergeant went into DB. :scared-4: He got 'ang kong' all over his body and had criminal records outside army... :scared-1:. Yup, he kicks us with his boots before but we thought those were normal treatment. Well apparently we were wrong!:)

richwang
06-02-12, 14:17
http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/static/index.htm


Department of Behavioral Sciences and Leadership Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-BSL)
Department of Chemistry & Life Science Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-CHEM)
Department of Civil and Mechanical Engineering Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-CME)
Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-EECS)
Department of English and Philosophy Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-DEP)
Department of Foreign Languages Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-FL)
Department of Geography and Environmental Engineering Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-GEnE)
Department of History Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-HIST)
Department of Law Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-LAW)
Department of Mathematical Sciences Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-MATH)
Department of Physics and Nuclear Engineering Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-PNE)
Department of Social Sciences Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-SOC)
Department of Systems Engineering Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-SE)


Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
06-02-12, 14:22
http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/static/index.htm


Department of Behavioral Sciences and Leadership Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-BSL)
Department of Chemistry & Life Science Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-CHEM)
Department of Civil and Mechanical Engineering Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-CME)
Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-EECS)
Department of English and Philosophy Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-DEP)
Department of Foreign Languages Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-FL)
Department of Geography and Environmental Engineering Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-GEnE)
Department of History Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-HIST)
Department of Law Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-LAW)
Department of Mathematical Sciences Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-MATH)
Department of Physics and Nuclear Engineering Catalog (http://www.dean.usma.edu/sebpublic/curriccat/fos_dept_catalog.cfm?str_sub_div_ofc_sym_cd=MADN-PNE)
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Thanks,
Richard What's your link? :confused:

ysyap
06-02-12, 14:24
no ah, armour mono intake, not BTS. we don't get kicked. the platoon sergeants are smart there. tekan in the name of turnout (which is legal).Sorry... forgot that you've already mentioned... :D

richwang
06-02-12, 14:39
I heard some Singapore army scholars went overseas to learn Ecnomics. What they really need to learn is professional mililary science and applications.
When they come back, they will know giving 7-8 hours sleeping time to NSmen is essential.

You make your enemy sleep depreivated - not your own subordinates.

Thanks,
Richard

bargain hunter
06-02-12, 15:07
yes. even chinese war movies show that. but oh well, this is the training phase, not outfield war phase.

but actually, when we r outside and on the move, we should be trained to sleep even less? :confused: else the enemy will catch up with us!




I heard some Singapore army scholars went overseas to learn Ecnomics. What they really need to learn is professional mililary science and applications.
When they come back, they will know giving 7-8 hours sleeping time to NSmen is essential.

You make your enemy sleep depreivated - not your own subordinates.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
06-02-12, 15:12
By the same logic, would you like to be trained to eat less?

If the answer is no, the same should be applied to sleeping hours.

NSmen should be trained to have peak performance, not eat less or sleep less.

They should eat well, sleep well and fight well.

Thanks,
Richard

valkri
06-02-12, 15:41
please don't remind me of my sleeping hours during my mono intake BMT. 5 hours of sleep is a luxury. every other day turn out in the middle of the night. some days say empty ALL the belongings into ali baba bag and bring down to fall in. horror days. i do not think they practice such nonsense any more. 7 hours these days already good life.

Wait till you hear about hell week for divers. ANY amount of sleep is a luxury! :scared-5:

bargain hunter
06-02-12, 15:42
that i agree for the operational training phase (ie after BMT and specialisation training).

BMT is something like a crash course. can't demand too much if they already have the "luxury" of 7 hours of undisturbed sleep.




By the same logic, would you like to be trained to eat less?

If the answer is no, the same should be applied to sleeping hours.

NSmen should be trained to have peak performance, not eat less or sleep less.

They should eat well, sleep well and fight well.

Thanks,
Richard

bargain hunter
06-02-12, 15:43
precisely. there are lots of vocations which require them to be trained to sleep little and yet be able to perform.

say, even in civilian life, that's expected of some surgeons who do those super long operations too isn't it?


Wait till you hear about hell week for divers. ANY amount of sleep is a luxury! :scared-5:

ysyap
06-02-12, 15:54
By the same logic, would you like to be trained to eat less?

If the answer is no, the same should be applied to sleeping hours.

NSmen should be trained to have peak performance, not eat less or sleep less.

They should eat well, sleep well and fight well.

Thanks,
RichardYou are a concerned parent and all the points you've raised are valid, from monetary allowances to undergrad study timeline right down to the sleep time and diet standards. However, we must be prepared that if nothing is done about your concerns, you must still remain positive. Like what someone rightly pointed out, this is a BMT phase so its not a 2 month rigorous training phase. :47: It can also be noted that, to the credit of MINDEF, much changes have taken place in SAF to improve the lives of the soldiers. ;)

ay123
06-02-12, 16:00
By the same logic, would you like to be trained to eat less?

If the answer is no, the same should be applied to sleeping hours.

NSmen should be trained to have peak performance, not eat less or sleep less.

They should eat well, sleep well and fight well.

Thanks,
Richard

do u think u can have such luxury during war time? tell enemy to attack after u have enuf sleep?

august
06-02-12, 22:33
do u think u can have such luxury during war time? tell enemy to attack after u have enuf sleep?

"do u think during war time..." blah blah or "training exigencies" cannot be used as excuse for poor treatment of soldiers during peace time.

hopeful
07-02-12, 05:19
"do u think during war time..." blah blah or "training exigencies" cannot be used as excuse for poor treatment of soldiers during peace time.
all the training and mistreatment has only 1 purpose - conditioned the rank and file soldiers to obey their officers and charged at flying bullets when so ordered.

ysyap
07-02-12, 06:55
all the training and mistreatment has only 1 purpose - conditioned the rank and file soldiers to obey their officers and charged at flying bullets when so ordered.If SAF soldiers are trained to charge at flying bullets, then no point spending so much money on them liao... train them to die... no different from extremist! :doh: SAF teach soldiers tactical movement also and Cover and Concealment! :p

hopeful
07-02-12, 10:06
If SAF soldiers are trained to charge at flying bullets, then no point spending so much money on them liao... train them to die... no different from extremist! :doh: SAF teach soldiers tactical movement also and Cover and Concealment! :p

ok, a minor correction, charge at flying bullets while using tactical movement using Cover and Concealment.

ysyap
07-02-12, 12:18
ok, a minor correction, charge at flying bullets while using tactical movement using Cover and Concealment.Lol! You are so funny! Ok! :cheers2:

Arcachon
07-02-12, 13:16
ok, a minor correction, charge at flying bullets while using tactical movement using Cover and Concealment.

We are moving towards remote warfare, don't need to charge at flying bullets you only do that in the movie. Just sent in the UAV with hellfire missile.http://www.militarypictures.info/d/442-3/predator_hellfire.jpg

ay123
07-02-12, 13:39
tats why most soldiers today have jelly leg. this cannot that cannot. some boy already very pampered at home, if they continue to be pampered in camp. how are they going t be tough physically and mentally. during my time already quite good life compare to the olden day soldier where they need to starch their uniform. and now with so much emphasis on technology and safety the soldier become softer and softer. :doh:

hopeful
07-02-12, 13:58
We are moving towards remote warfare, don't need to charge at flying bullets you only do that in the movie. Just sent in the UAV with hellfire missile.http://www.militarypictures.info/d/442-3/predator_hellfire.jpg

only the generals get to enjoy remote warfare in the safety of bunkers :).
grunts like everybody else has to get their boots on the ground.

howgozit
08-02-12, 00:17
Hi richwang,

Actually I am quite surprised that you get to sleep up to 8hrs in the Chinese Army.

This makes the Chinese Army the most well rested armed forces that I know... from what I understand, the Chinese Army also has "chong dian" time (literally translated "charge electricity") ie. siesta after meals too right?

I can assure you that as far as sleep is concerned, BMT is no far worse than boot camp in the US or UK. Other than studying economics, many SAF scholars study in Westpoint or Sandhurst too.

Hope you son enjoys his stint in NS and stay safe.

Cheers!

When I was in Chinese army, I had 8 hours sleeping time during winter, and 7.5 hours during summer. It seems Singapore NSmen only have 7- hours sleeping time. Maybe we are in super summer here?

But is 7- hours sleeping time enough?
I heard some Singapore army scholars went overseas to learn Ecnomics. What they really need to learn is professional mililary science and applications.
When they come back, they will know giving 7-8 hours sleeping time to NSmen is essential.

richwang
08-02-12, 01:07
http://www.emaxhealth.com/2/46/30330/sleep-problems-may-suicide-risk.html

"Adults who suffer chronic sleep problems may face an increased risk of suicidal behaviour, new research indicates."

"The most consistent link was seen for early morning awakening, which was related to all suicidal behaviours."

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
08-02-12, 06:58
http://www.emaxhealth.com/2/46/30330/sleep-problems-may-suicide-risk.html

"Adults who suffer chronic sleep problems may face an increased risk of suicidal behaviour, new research indicates."

"The most consistent link was seen for early morning awakening, which was related to all suicidal behaviours."

Thanks,
RichardYou are mixing individuals who have other medical complications. A normal human being will not have these inclinations. None of my NS friend committed suicide. None of my friends and colleagues ever mentioned their NS friends committed suicide. Don't worry too much.

howgozit
08-02-12, 12:57
Richard,

You are miss-reading the article and got it the other way round. I suggest you re-read it.

A person who suffers from a chronic sleep problem is different from a person who sleeps little. The article is dealing with individuals that find it difficult to sleep or sleep little due to a psychological reason. Naturally such people are prone to suicide.

Insomnia is symptomatic of depression. And as the article suggests

"Difficulty falling asleep was a significant predictor of suicidal thoughts and planning. Compared with people who reported no sleep problems, those who had trouble initiating sleep had 1.9 times the risk of suicidal ideas and 2.2 times the risk of planning suicide"

I think difficulty in falling asleep for most people is usually not a problem in BMT or for that matter NS. I think the problem is trying to stay awake.

Cheers!





http://www.emaxhealth.com/2/46/30330/sleep-problems-may-suicide-risk.html

"Adults who suffer chronic sleep problems may face an increased risk of suicidal behaviour, new research indicates."

"The most consistent link was seen for early morning awakening, which was related to all suicidal behaviours."

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
08-02-12, 13:08
Thanks for the correction. Maybe this is a better article.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/01/02/study_links_teens_lack_of_sleep_to_suicidal_thoughts/

"Late nights may make teenagers more prone to depression and suicidal thoughts by depriving them of sleep".

“Our results strengthen the argument that lack of sleep can cause depression as opposed to simply being a symptom of depression’’.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
08-02-12, 14:44
Dear sir, you must learn to let go. You are worried about too many things. You son must grow to adapt and innovate with whatever limited resources available. He'll be a fine lad. It is the adaptation and finding solutions that will mould him and make him a better person... I suspect he'll find it funny if the whole platoon knows that he has a very concerned father... :cool: Learn to let go... its just the army! :cheers5:

richwang
08-02-12, 15:23
Just talked to my Swiss friend, they still have equivlent to full citizens NS. But it is now 4 months for the 1st year, and then 3 weeks every year.

Surpingly 4 months seems to be the norm now.

He has 1 week mission which he is allowed to sleep for 6 hours daily. The rest of time, he is allowed to sleep for 8 hours daily. I've asked him why not to limit to 6 hours daily sleep for the whole 4 months, he says "it is too dangerous".

When I was in chinese army, I had 24 hours no-sleeping when on mission. But that was the exception, rather than norm. For most of BMT training, it was 8 hours daily sleeping.

I am sorry if anyone feels offended, that's not my intention.
I am a supporter for NS, and I am a supporter for a better NS system - apprantly that will not in time to benefit my son.
I believe everyone has role to play in order to improve socity - maybe that's a funny thought.

Open for comments,

Thanks,
Richard

zzz1
09-02-12, 10:29
I believe that we should be more confident with our next generation ..
Our generation have not gone thru any major adversity, and properly during our Parent generation are too busy to meet end meet and don even worry of such on our generation ..

2 year of training will just pass like a breeze...

Regulators
09-02-12, 10:41
The 2 years is never a breeze. Spending two of our best years doing all the bo liao things is uncalled for. I think 6 months to a year is enough for military training.
I believe that we should be more confident with our next generation ..
Our generation have not gone thru any major adversity, and properly during our Parent generation are too busy to meet end meet and don even worry of such on our generation ..

2 year of training will just pass like a breeze...

zzz1
09-02-12, 10:58
The 2 years is never a breeze. Spending two of our best years doing all the bo liao things is uncalled for. I think 6 months to a year is enough for military training.
An la... I'm sure you enjoyed the 2 years of Bo liao training with your camp mate too right?
Unless u experienced brutal tekan which u would like to share?:D :D

Regulators
09-02-12, 14:00
If I soon soon go thru the two years still not too bad, my platoon commander and sergeant are two bian tai (sadistic) regulars (can't make it anywhere outside govt job type) bent on making life tough for nsf. Knn like as if they paid $100k a month, this kind of ppl really brainless
An la... I'm sure you enjoyed the 2 years of Bo liao training with your camp mate too right?
Unless u experienced brutal tekan which u would like to share?:D :D

land118
09-02-12, 17:30
If I soon soon go thru the two years still not too bad, my platoon commander and sergeant are two bian tai (sadistic) regulars (can't make it anywhere outside govt job type) bent on making life tough for nsf. Knn like as if they paid $100k a month, this kind of ppl really brainlessRemind me of my Sergeant with "ang kong"/tattoos and Corporal who are the same sadists and my ball-less PC during recruit time...

ay123
09-02-12, 18:48
my friend once kenna by RSM during battlion training. while halt, my friend (MG gunner) found a coconut and sit on it to rest. RSM walked pass and told my friend to carry the coconut with him till end of training. can u imagine a MG gunner also crrying a "giant" grenade. now think of it really funny. remember during our hotel dinner before ROD. we packed a plate of combat ration and pass to him to eat. we also made fun f him but at that time i think his ball shrink until very tiny. he LL just smile and smile. think many want to whack that RSM!!!

Regulators
09-02-12, 18:52
My platoon commander was the ex student of my father at nus that is why he has something against me. My father should have failed that little punk during uni days
Remind me of my Sergeant with "ang kong"/tattoos and Corporal who are the same sadists and my ball-less PC during recruit time...

Regulators
09-02-12, 18:57
Most of these rsm, staff sergeants, warrant officers & master sergeants all condemned cases in saf, they only know how to throw their weight in the camp, outside they are nobody. If these ppl got any brains, they should make more friends so when they retire from army, friends outside can jiao kor them after that.

ysyap
09-02-12, 19:46
My CSM made some of us do defaulter's parade while I was on 'attend B' status. He probably didn't know but he should have checked the list before conducting that parade... I still remember... :hell-hath-no-fury:

ysyap
09-02-12, 19:48
Remind me of my Sergeant with "ang kong"/tattoos and Corporal who are the same sadists and my ball-less PC during recruit time...Yeah... my BMT platoon sergeant also 'ang kong' everywhere, from leg to neck... he kana DB after we POP! :scared-3:

Regulators
09-02-12, 20:07
All these sergeants with ang kong are those that will end up becoming loan shark runners or illegal dvd sellers outside.
Yeah... my BMT platoon sergeant also 'ang kong' everywhere, from leg to neck... he kana DB after we POP! :scared-3:

zzz1
09-02-12, 20:08
If I soon soon go thru the two years still not too bad, my platoon commander and sergeant are two bian tai (sadistic) regulars (can't make it anywhere outside govt job type) bent on making life tough for nsf. Knn like as if they paid $100k a month, this kind of ppl really brainless

mine kanna my CO is ex Israel trained officer, can imagined how siao on...
every time see him charge ppl...see till leg jelly

some more when i'm am about ORD, asked me want to join him in ST engineering when he ord(second career)... I said a "BIG THANK YOU"

hey...i supposed that make us a better person right?

zzz1
09-02-12, 20:12
Remind me of my Sergeant with "ang kong"/tattoos and Corporal who are the same sadists and my ball-less PC during recruit time...

those only lived in their cocoon nest that CMI outside...

hyenergix
10-02-12, 01:50
http://www.emaxhealth.com/2/46/30330/sleep-problems-may-suicide-risk.html

"Adults who suffer chronic sleep problems may face an increased risk of suicidal behaviour, new research indicates."

"The most consistent link was seen for early morning awakening, which was related to all suicidal behaviours."

Thanks,
Richard

5-6 hours sleep a day was the norm for my army camp. Trainee days about 3-4 hours a day were common. You can see people falling asleep while standing when queuing up for breakfast or with spoon in the mouth after seated at the table. I don't understand the mentality of this training in NS - rush to wait, wait to rush.

richwang
15-02-12, 12:58
The boy stays next block is back to home now. He had high fever for 4 days, but kept telling his mother everything was ok. Now MO gives him 3 days' MC.

He should have been rated PES C in the first place (heart problem, bone problem, cannot pass IPPT.)

Thanks,
Richard

iwantgizmos
15-02-12, 13:06
The boy stays next block is back to home now. He had high fever for 4 days, but kept telling his mother everything was ok. Now MO gives him 3 days' MC.

He should have been rated PES C in the first place (heart problem, bone problem, cannot pass IPPT.)

Thanks,
Richard
Army has always taught us to endure and overcome obstacles...
The fact that he assures his mom he is ok, it shows how determined our Singapore boys are... Well done !...
I am proud to have them defending our country...

richwang
17-02-12, 22:07
The defence expenditure will constitute 24.4 percent of the government's total spending for 2012, making the ministry the biggest beneficiary of the budget allocation.

Most of the money will be spent on "the purchase of military equipment, maintenance of equipment and camps, and the salaries and allowances" of soldiers, the budget report stated.

http://business.asiaone.com/Business/News/Story/A1Story20120217-328632.html

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I would prefer to see the overall defense budget to go down, but optimize the usage.

fclim
17-02-12, 22:24
Today's army training very good liao.. Last time, it was training by scolding and punishment. Everything do over and over again with punishments in between.

Some stupid rule that during field training, when u sit for a briefing, you must take off your helmet. If u forget, the corporal will ask all your buddies to stack their helmets on your head to make u remember next time. Goodness, could have broken your neck.

Wat the heck. In war, u better wear your helmet and carry your rifle along, even when u shit. But, we remember all these awful things done to us. Haha.

ysyap
18-02-12, 06:23
Today's army training very good liao.. Last time, it was training by scolding and punishment. Everything do over and over again with punishments in between.

Some stupid rule that during field training, when u sit for a briefing, you must take off your helmet. If u forget, the corporal will ask all your buddies to stack their helmets on your head to make u remember next time. Goodness, could have broken your neck.

Wat the heck. In war, u better wear your helmet and carry your rifle along, even when u shit. But, we remember all these awful things done to us. Haha.U kanna the stack helmets on your head? The most fun about field training is when you forget where you left your wife (rifle)... :scared-1:

ysyap
18-02-12, 06:25
The defence expenditure will constitute 24.4 percent of the government's total spending for 2012, making the ministry the biggest beneficiary of the budget allocation.

Most of the money will be spent on "the purchase of military equipment, maintenance of equipment and camps, and the salaries and allowances" of soldiers, the budget report stated.

http://business.asiaone.com/Business/News/Story/A1Story20120217-328632.html

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I would prefer to see the overall defense budget to go down, but optimize the usage.Defence budget cannot go down coz it'll plant unnecessary concerns in the hearts of poeple. Optimization of usage can be implemented but budget will still go up...

fclim
18-02-12, 14:02
U kanna the stack helmets on your head? The most fun about field training is when you forget where you left your wife (rifle)... :scared-1:

No lah.. my platoon mate kena. Thought it was stupid at that time. Losing your wife fun? I thot sure panic.

ysyap
18-02-12, 20:45
No lah.. my platoon mate kena. Thought it was stupid at that time. Losing your wife fun? I thot sure panic.Fun for others to watch lor... Lol! Last time I nearly kana charged coz a magazine of 5 rounds was reported lost under my name... Whole unit locked in camp that Sat... nobody can book out coz 5 rounds were missing... I nearly kana DB... that one very fun now that I looked back but during that time, I nearly :violent-shooting:

howgozit
19-02-12, 17:46
The defence budget is high exactly because of optimisation. SAF is buying more hardware and techonology to optimise the little manpower that we have, everything is going high tech and therfore costs money.

Having said that I do wish that Singapore is in a better geopolitical situation that can enable us to have a military alliance with our neighbours, that would certainly lower the defence costs.

Also on another note, SAF soldiers are also better clothed than previously. I still remember those black PT shoes that were issued, we used to joke that only Bruce Lee would wear such shoes with his chinaman kungfu outfit. Nowadays our boys get to wear New Balance, Asics...etc

Cheers!


The defence expenditure will constitute 24.4 percent of the government's total spending for 2012, making the ministry the biggest beneficiary of the budget allocation.

Most of the money will be spent on "the purchase of military equipment, maintenance of equipment and camps, and the salaries and allowances" of soldiers, the budget report stated.

http://business.asiaone.com/Business/News/Story/A1Story20120217-328632.html

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I would prefer to see the overall defense budget to go down, but optimize the usage.

richwang
19-02-12, 19:52
It is interesting that Recruits are allowed to book out for PSC interviews during BMT. But other interviews (including statute boards) are not allowed.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
19-02-12, 20:02
You won't believe this, but my son told me one of the reasons he passed IPPT with A is learning from F1.

When it is sharp turn, you need to run outer lane to keep up with the speed;
When is is gradual turn, you need to run inner lane to shorten the distance;
When it is zigzag, you need to cut lanes to get the shortest distance.

His skin condition is well under control - mainly due to officer allows him to wake up early to apply medicine everyday.

So he is confirmed with PES B now.

Thanks for all the story sharing, army has definitely dramatically improved.

Thanks,
Richard

howgozit
19-02-12, 21:27
It is interesting that Recruits are allowed to book out for PSC interviews during BMT. But other interviews (including statute boards) are not allowed.

Thanks,
Richard

That is because the bulk of PSC scholarships requires successful applicants to go OCS and therefore the selection process has to be decided before a candidate completes BMT.

As you may know, most aspirants have already been interviewed and accepted by overseas universities since last year on a conditional basis subject to 'A' level results.

Latest rumour is that the Ox-Bridge universities have already some info on last year's 'A' level results. From my understanding, if your son was from RI , you may be pleased to know that the acceptance from these two universities combined this year is 69, which is higher than even Eton.

ysyap
20-02-12, 08:58
You won't believe this, but my son told me one of the reasons he passed IPPT with A is learning from F1.

When it is sharp turn, you need to run outer lane to keep up with the speed;
When is is gradual turn, you need to run inner lane to shorten the distance;
When it is zigzag, you need to cut lanes to get the shortest distance.

His skin condition is well under control - mainly due to officer allows him to wake up early to apply medicine everyday.

So he is confirmed with PES B now.

Thanks for all the story sharing, army has definitely dramatically improved.

Thanks,
RichardCongrats on the acclimatization... he's well on his journey with the army... :spliff:

richwang
20-02-12, 13:24
The boy stays next block is back to home now. He had high fever for 4 days, but kept telling his mother everything was ok. Now MO gives him 3 days' MC.

He should have been rated PES C in the first place (heart problem, bone problem, cannot pass IPPT.)

Thanks,
Richard

The same boy is sent back home again due to high fever of 39+ degrees. So he has been sick for more than 10 days now. Seioursly I think he should be downgraded to PES C.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
20-02-12, 14:15
The same boy is sent back home again due to high fever of 39+ degrees. So he has been sick for more than 10 days now. Seioursly I think he should be downgraded to PES C.

Thanks,
RichardMust ask the cause of his fever, not just anyhow downgrade lah... fever cannot qualify downgrading. But the heart problem, yes... :sleep:

august
20-02-12, 15:07
some folks, like myself, are simply not suited to regimental life and routine. :ashamed1:

zzz1
20-02-12, 20:28
The same boy is sent back home again due to high fever of 39+ degrees. So he has been sick for more than 10 days now. Seioursly I think he should be downgraded to PES C.

Thanks,
Richard
fever with more then 10 days spelled an underlining problems..should seek specialist instead....

fclim
21-02-12, 00:17
The same boy is sent back home again due to high fever of 39+ degrees. So he has been sick for more than 10 days now. Seioursly I think he should be downgraded to PES C.

Thanks,
Richard

Better check if it is a case of Dengue.

richwang
21-02-12, 09:35
Checked with a doctor, suspect lung problem ...

richwang
26-02-12, 10:01
Is Mar 2 (Friday) the A Level Results Day? Will all the Recruits be allowed to book out the whole day?

I have made a doctor appointment for my son on that day, but not sure whether he will have time.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. The shortage of doctors in Singapore is reaching an unbelievable level. National Skin Center appointment is 2 months later. Private doctor weekends are full for one month with 7 patients on waiting list for each Sat.

ysyap
26-02-12, 10:50
Is Mar 2 (Friday) the A Level Results Day? Will all the Recruits be allowed to book out the whole day?

I have made a doctor appointment for my son on that day, but not sure whether he will have time.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. The shortage of doctors in Singapore is reaching an unbelievable level. National Skin Center appointment is 2 months later. Private doctor weekends are full for one month with 7 patients on waiting list for each Sat.There is indeed a shortage of doctors. Maybe dermatologists are in greater demand?

During A level results release, recruits will definitely be allowed to return to collect their results. Its usually not a full day leave unless on special occasions. Usually its a half day thing but I know of recruits who only booked out after lunch and so rush straight to their college.

richwang
18-04-12, 18:08
My son has graduated from BMT. The last 2 weeks was very bad for his skin, but he refused to see the MO (... or his sargent discouraged him to see MO.)

My wife's friend's son (the guy I thought should be PEC C) has also graduated. Indeed he is becoming physocally much stronger.

Overall BMT is better than I had feared.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
18-04-12, 18:13
My son is now in SCS (Specialist).
I wonder whether army will provide shuttle bus between Joo Kun MRT station and Pasir Laba? I've trid to take a public bus, it is not easy. Walking to MRT is 10++ mins, but a little risky at junctions.

Thanks,
Richard

price
18-04-12, 19:20
My son is now in SCS (Specialist).
I wonder whether army will provide shuttle bus between Joo Kun MRT station and Pasir Laba? I've trid to take a public bus, it is not easy. Walking to MRT is 10++ mins, but a little risky at junctions.

Thanks,
Richard

Time to let go Richard. let ur son grow up to be a solider. BMT route march was 24 KM. whats 10mins walk to mrt?

He learnt how to handle live grenades and rifle rounds what's a traffic junction?

ysyap
18-04-12, 19:48
My son is now in SCS (Specialist).
I wonder whether army will provide shuttle bus between Joo Kun MRT station and Pasir Laba? I've trid to take a public bus, it is not easy. Walking to MRT is 10++ mins, but a little risky at junctions.

Thanks,
RichardDo not worry yourself over such issues... really, your son is already a soldier who's going to become a specialist... remember that maid who carried the bag for that soldier. He was subsequently reprimanded by his superior... ;)

carbuncle
18-04-12, 21:05
My son is now in SCS (Specialist).
I wonder whether army will provide shuttle bus between Joo Kun MRT station and Pasir Laba? I've trid to take a public bus, it is not easy. Walking to MRT is 10++ mins, but a little risky at junctions.

Thanks,
Richard

Wow. U really 24 siao father

price
18-04-12, 21:08
Do not worry yourself over such issues... really, your son is already a soldier who's going to become a specialist... remember that maid who carried the bag for that soldier. He was subsequently reprimanded by his superior... ;)
haha i got reminded of the maid case too! Can't imagine an army Sargent not able to walk 10mins to the MRT or cross the traffic properly.

hopeful
18-04-12, 21:27
Time to let go Richard. let ur son grow up to be a solider. BMT route march was 24 KM. whats 10mins walk to mrt?

He learnt how to handle live grenades and rifle rounds what's a traffic junction?

you dont understand richwang.

it is glorious to die in defense of Singapore
it is inglorious to die hit by a bus while crossing a traffic junction.:doh:

iwantgizmos
18-04-12, 21:59
you dont understand richwang.

it is glorious to die in defense of Singapore
it is inglorious to die hit by a bus while crossing a traffic junction.:doh:
muahahahahha....

price
18-04-12, 23:11
you dont understand richwang.

it is glorious to die in defense of Singapore
it is inglorious to die hit by a bus while crossing a traffic junction.:doh:

I'm sure his son cross the roads everyday. Unless he's chauffeured around like a little baby.

fclim
18-04-12, 23:17
you dont understand richwang.

it is glorious to die in defense of Singapore
it is inglorious to die hit by a bus while crossing a traffic junction.:doh:

It's never glorious to die for your country.

It's glorious if you make the other guy die for his country.:D

FH99
19-04-12, 22:12
There are army buses from Camp to Joo Kun MRT station.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
19-04-12, 22:16
There are army buses from Camp to Joo Kun MRT station.

Thanks,
RichardWah you are disguising yourself under a different nick or is this your wife's account? Lol! :cheers1:

Think our SAF needs a concerned parent like yourself to improve the entire NS experience... last time we complained a bit and in return, we kana big time from CSM and PTI. Now ask parents to complain on our behalf... smart move! :D

FH99
19-04-12, 22:20
richwang = FH99

ysyap
19-04-12, 22:23
richwang = FH99So why are u starting a new nick? People won't identify you rightly. You lost your password? ;)

FH99
19-04-12, 22:27
some people think:

Richard Wang = Richard Wan (the online citizen editor), so I've changed a nick since then.

Thanks,
Richard

buttercarp
19-04-12, 22:34
richwang = FH99

So it is you, richie!
I hope there will not come a day when FH=99!:p

FH99
19-04-12, 22:43
I tried to register as FH88 (a lucky number), but it was in use.
So I registered as FH99 (which immediately became misleading).

I saw some angry discussions about people using multiple logins.
I guess I need to do 100 hours Community Services for this forum.

... or any other punishment suggested?

Thanks,
Richard

buttercarp
19-04-12, 22:46
I tried to register as FH88 (a lucky number), but it was in use.
So I registered as FH99 (which immediately became misleading).

I saw some angry discussions about people using multiple logins.
I guess I need to do 100 hours Community Services for this forum.

... or any other punishment suggested?

Thanks,
Richard

Maybe you can put your signature as "formerly known as richwang", just like bro wannabe has done?

FH99
19-04-12, 22:53
Any research topics for me to do community services?

price
20-04-12, 00:03
Any research topics for me to do community services?
commercial property? :D

FH99
20-04-12, 00:28
Wow. That's a new area for me.
My ex-boss has been playing it for about 5 years now.
To start with, he actually registered a company for that.
He then get a few friends to be the share holders of the Company.
Some came up with money, some just contributed credit line. So they can maximize the loan from banks.
They then bought a whole floor of warehouse. (Scale is important for commercial).
And managed to get a permit to use it as some kind of office purpose.
Now they are happily collecting rentals.

ysyap
20-04-12, 10:41
No need for community work lah... just clarify your identity, like what you have currently written, then won't kana from the other forummers... :47:

carbuncle
20-04-12, 17:24
I tried to register as FH88 (a lucky number), but it was in use.
So I registered as FH99 (which immediately became misleading).

I saw some angry discussions about people using multiple logins.
I guess I need to do 100 hours Community Services for this forum.

... or any other punishment suggested?

Thanks,
Richard
FH88 is SAF gun... Very big

FH99
20-04-12, 22:32
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/about_us/history/maturing_saf/v11n11_history.html

I thought u were kidding, but it is real.

buttercarp
20-04-12, 22:34
Hi bro, actually I still prefer your user id to be richwang.
Sounds more like you.
FH99 sounds like a different person.

carbuncle
21-04-12, 00:15
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/about_us/history/maturing_saf/v11n11_history.html

I thought u were kidding, but it is real.
I not kidding. I served in Artillery...

hyenergix
21-04-12, 06:59
I not kidding. I served in Artillery...

I heard it was a relax unit. Just maintain the artillery and deploy during exercise, then simulate some firings...

ysyap
21-04-12, 07:23
I heard it was a relax unit. Just maintain the artillery and deploy during exercise, then simulate some firings...Where got relax wan? All units also siong lah... so which unit were u or u not in NS? Which unit is the least relax for u then?

hyenergix
21-04-12, 07:33
Where got relax wan? All units also siong lah... so which unit were u or u not in NS? Which unit is the least relax for u then?

Signallers in those signal booster vehicles are most relax. Even in exercise still can hide inside the air-con vehicles. Never bluff you.

roly8
21-04-12, 09:16
my take is if your scholarship require you to have a good status in NS, then try keep it decent..

don't be a garang soldier and be 'hero' in the army..

richwang
21-04-12, 10:44
A few ex-NS men were complaining to me about some ridiculous comments made by fellow Singaporean ladies:

Case 1: Recent death of a NS Man
A lady commented: Singaporean men are weak.

Case 2: Fresh Graduates who completed NS are paid S$200 more
A lady commented: It is so unfair that you are paid S$200 more JUST because you have served NS.

I guess MOE must work with Mindef to at least allow our girls to observe some of the live NS training. So they can better appreciate how tough the training is.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I have changed my FH99 password to "do not use". So I am using back my richwang ID

ysyap
21-04-12, 12:04
Signallers in those signal booster vehicles are most relax. Even in exercise still can hide inside the air-con vehicles. Never bluff you.Yes.. only this group of people who are in air con vehicles lah.. think only in brigade exercise then kana activated lah... :)

carbuncle
21-04-12, 12:13
A few ex-NS men were complaining to me about some ridiculous comments made by fellow Singaporean ladies:

Case 1: Recent death of a NS Man
A lady commented: Singaporean men are weak.

Case 2: Fresh Graduates who completed NS are paid S$200 more
A lady commented: It is so unfair that you are paid S$200 more JUST because you have served NS.

I guess MOE must work with Mindef to at least allow our girls to observe some of the live NS training. So they can better appreciate how tough the training is.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I have changed my FH99 password to "do not use". So I am using back my richwang ID

Please tell your son
PLEASE DO NOT EVER MARRY SG BORN N RAISED LADIES
....Unless of coz is like sis buttercarp, irisng, extremme and other nice women in this forum. which is as rare to find as women in bmt.

buttercarp
21-04-12, 15:50
Please tell your son
PLEASE DO NOT EVER MARRY SG BORN N RAISED LADIES
....Unless of coz is like sis buttercarp, irisng, extremme and other nice women in this forum. which is as rare to find as women in bmt.

Since good SG born n bred women still exists, how would richwang's son know how to choose? Any pointers?

carbuncle
21-04-12, 16:11
Since good SG born n bred women still exists, how would richwang's son know how to choose? Any pointers?
If he die die also want sg gal, Ask any of the sis named above to vet thru and filter any potential first lol lol

price
21-04-12, 16:11
Since good SG born n bred women still exists, how would richwang's son know how to choose? Any pointers?
I agree SG ladies these days are :doh: Still can find good characters but rare! Maturity is very very important.

First wang should get his son to toughen up like a real man. Not being afraid to walk >10mins and cross traffic junction in SG.

Next, the son gotta be matured himself.

Maybe then he can start finding a suitable mate :D :cheers5:

richwang
21-04-12, 16:30
Two of my Singaporeans middle-class males refused to get married.
They cite Women's Charter makes them hesitate.
And one of my ex-boss' rich friend refuses to divorce because it is too expensive.

If we look at the high unemployment rate is Europe,
one of the reasons is the strict labor law makes firing workers so expensive that employers refused to hire.

While I fully understand the good intend of Women's Charter,
are we making divorce unaffordable for men (regardless of your wealth),
and the un-marriage rate of women becomes so high?

If you care to read the Women’s Charter
(CHAPTER 353) (http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;ident=61deee43-1e42-490f-a5ae-33054850e926;page=0;query=CompId%3A61deee43-1e42-490f-a5ae-33054850e926;rec=0;resUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatutes.agc.gov.sg%2Faol%2Fbrowse%2FtitleResults.w3p%3Bletter%3DW%3Btype%3DactsAll#legis)

it is more suitable for an advocate rather than a law.
Is it time to review it for the long term benefits of Singapore Women?

Thanks,
Richard

carbuncle
21-04-12, 16:47
Two of my Singaporeans middle-class males refused to get married.
They cite Women's Charter makes them hesitate.
And one of my ex-boss' rich friend refuses to divorce because it is too expensive.

If we look at the high unemployment rate is Europe,
one of the reasons is the strict labor law makes firing workers so expensive that employers refused to hire.

While I fully understand the good intend of Women's Charter,
are we making divorce unaffordable for men (regardless of your wealth),
and the un-marriage rate of women becomes so high?

If you care to read the Women’s Charter
(CHAPTER 353) (http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;ident=61deee43-1e42-490f-a5ae-33054850e926;page=0;query=CompId%3A61deee43-1e42-490f-a5ae-33054850e926;rec=0;resUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatutes.agc.gov.sg%2Faol%2Fbrowse%2FtitleResults.w3p%3Bletter%3DW%3Btype%3DactsAll#legis)

it is more suitable for an advocate rather than a law.
Is it time to review it for the long term benefits of Singapore Women?

Thanks,
Richard
Richwang you very the deep... If your son grow up to be as sophisticated as you when he talk about Women Charter during his first date I am sure the lady will be whoaaaaa wowwwwww

roly8
21-04-12, 21:05
Two of my Singaporeans middle-class males refused to get married.
They cite Women's Charter makes them hesitate.
And one of my ex-boss' rich friend refuses to divorce because it is too expensive.

If we look at the high unemployment rate is Europe,
one of the reasons is the strict labor law makes firing workers so expensive that employers refused to hire.

While I fully understand the good intend of Women's Charter,
are we making divorce unaffordable for men (regardless of your wealth),
and the un-marriage rate of women becomes so high?

If you care to read the Women’s Charter
(CHAPTER 353) (http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;ident=61deee43-1e42-490f-a5ae-33054850e926;page=0;query=CompId%3A61deee43-1e42-490f-a5ae-33054850e926;rec=0;resUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatutes.agc.gov.sg%2Faol%2Fbrowse%2FtitleResults.w3p%3Bletter%3DW%3Btype%3DactsAll#legis)

it is more suitable for an advocate rather than a law.
Is it time to review it for the long term benefits of Singapore Women?

Thanks,
Richard
are they same age as me? me is 30yr this year already.. :(
but look much younger though.. :D :D

buttercarp
21-04-12, 23:18
Two of my Singaporeans middle-class males refused to get married.
They cite Women's Charter makes them hesitate.
And one of my ex-boss' rich friend refuses to divorce because it is too expensive.

.............................................................
Thanks,
Richard

Speaking about divorce, I know of a lady who is divorced but was not able to claim the maintenance fee for her child for the past 10 years as the husband absconded overseas.

fclim
21-04-12, 23:29
I guess MOE must work with Mindef to at least allow our girls to observe some of the live NS training. So they can better appreciate how tough the training is.

Programmes are already in place. The other 50% of Singaporeans need to know what NS is about too. Visit the Army Open House at the F1 circuit late May. :D

kane
21-04-12, 23:34
try one full day range on a hot day and cannot sleep, take canteen break only when the sergeant allows. and do a 5km fast march clean fatigue good enough to give them a teaser into the life of a soldier. oh and throw in an all expenses paid 3 day 2 night out in the fields with some simulation of various exercises.

fclim
22-04-12, 00:34
try one full day range on a hot day and cannot sleep, take canteen break only when the sergeant allows. and do a 5km fast march clean fatigue good enough to give them a teaser into the life of a soldier. oh and throw in an all expenses paid 3 day 2 night out in the fields with some simulation of various exercises.

U will be surprised. Some girls will actually enjoy it.

kane
22-04-12, 00:44
U will be surprised. Some girls will actually enjoy it.

there will be those commenting NS has gone soft on the boys who will find it gruelling to say the least.

ysyap
22-04-12, 08:13
Speaking about divorce, I know of a lady who is divorced but was not able to claim the maintenance fee for her child for the past 10 years as the husband absconded overseas.Absconding overseas is an extreme case lah... it can happen to a wife who's ran away... even better, both steal money from friends/relatives and escape to overseas and be never heard again... :cool:

richwang
27-04-12, 12:17
My next door friend has just been sent to home (again). This time his left arm is broken.

The injury rate is just too high!

Something to share:

http://www.jeremyko.com/2012/04/staying-alive-and-injury-free-serving-the-saf/

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
27-04-12, 12:25
http://www.militaryonesource.mil/MOS/f?p=MOS:CONTENT:0::::SV,UT,LG,CID,TID,SID,XID,COHE,MTYPE:Army%20Active,Member,EN,23.50.30.0.0.0.0.0.0,23.50.30.60.0.0.0.0.0,23.50.30.60.50.20.30.0.0,23.50.30.60.50.20.0.0.0,261766,Articles

This is from US army.

Thanks,
Richard

richwang
27-04-12, 15:20
Singapore should have national security tax.

1) Those who have completed NS, 0% tax rate;
2) Those who have not completed NS - ladies, PRs and new citizens (me included) pay national security tax. If you don't want to pay the tax, you are most welcome to join the NS.

So you either do the NS, or pay the security tax. That's fair.

Thanks,
Richard

ysyap
27-04-12, 15:41
Singapore should have national security tax.

1) Those who have completed NS, 0% tax rate;
2) Those who have not completed NS - ladies, PRs and new citizens (me included) pay national security tax. If you don't want to pay the tax, you are most welcome to join the NS.

So you either do the NS, or pay the security tax. That's fair.

Thanks,
RichardI vote for you... Lol...

carbuncle
27-04-12, 15:41
We need more new citizen like bro rich!!!!! NS for NewSitizen

ysyap
27-04-12, 15:42
My next door friend has just been sent to home (again). This time his left arm is broken.

The injury rate is just too high!

Something to share:

http://www.jeremyko.com/2012/04/staying-alive-and-injury-free-serving-the-saf/

Thanks,
RichardInjury rate has always been high... it's just not reported...

fclim
27-04-12, 15:48
Singapore should have national security tax.

1) Those who have completed NS, 0% tax rate;
2) Those who have not completed NS - ladies, PRs and new citizens (me included) pay national security tax. If you don't want to pay the tax, you are most welcome to join the NS.

So you either do the NS, or pay the security tax. That's fair.

Thanks,
Richard

I thot they oredi have NSman relief? Peanuts, but nonetheless a gesture?:beats-me-man: Gahmen prefers incentives to penalties.

buttercarp
27-04-12, 17:43
Singapore should have national security tax.

1) Those who have completed NS, 0% tax rate;
2) Those who have not completed NS - ladies, PRs and new citizens (me included) pay national security tax. If you don't want to pay the tax, you are most welcome to join the NS.

So you either do the NS, or pay the security tax. That's fair.

Thanks,
Richard

I want to add in another group - Ladies with 2 or more children before the age of 30 years old - 0% tax rate.

ysyap
28-04-12, 21:49
I want to add in another group - Ladies with 2 or more children before the age of 30 years old - 0% tax rate.And I assume you belong to that category? :spliff: So women with 2 or more children before 25 years old will have tax rebates on top of 0 taxable income? :cool: Can say guys with 2 or more children before the age of 35 with 2 or more children can share similar benefits? :D

hopeful
28-04-12, 22:06
encourage polyandry and polygamy.
1 man + 9 woman is ideal.
9 man + 1 woman also ideal.

scenario 1
1 man + 1 woman
woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop 50%. very bad situation given the high cost of living

scenario 2
1 man + 9 woman
1 woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop only by 10%.
wives take turns to get pregnant, so family income stable.

scenario 3
9 man + 1 woman
1 woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop only by 10%.

ysyap
28-04-12, 22:15
encourage polyandry and polygamy.
1 man + 9 woman is ideal.
9 man + 1 woman also ideal.

scenario 1
1 man + 1 woman
woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop 50%. very bad situation given the high cost of living

scenario 2
1 man + 9 woman
1 woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop only by 10%.
wives take turns to get pregnant, so family income stable.

scenario 3
9 man + 1 woman
1 woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop only by 10%.What's your point? V abstract leh... R u that 1 man or that 1 woman? ;)

buttercarp
28-04-12, 22:20
encourage polyandry and polygamy.
1 man + 9 woman is ideal.
9 man + 1 woman also ideal.

scenario 1
1 man + 1 woman
woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop 50%. very bad situation given the high cost of living

scenario 2
1 man + 9 woman
1 woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop only by 10%.
wives take turns to get pregnant, so family income stable.

scenario 3
9 man + 1 woman
1 woman get pregnant, not working, family income drop only by 10%.

Cannot cos Singapore is too small.
Too risky.
This will result in a higher chance of consanguineous marriages.

hopeful
28-04-12, 22:20
What's your point? V abstract leh... R u that 1 man or that 1 woman? ;)

given the high cost of living here, as given by many citizens the reason for not giving birth, i propose multiple husbands and wives.

afterall i prefer natural born Singaporeans to imported Singaporeans.
I need Singaporeans who has undergone NS (like Richwang's son) to protect my Singapore properties :)

ysyap
28-04-12, 22:28
given the high cost of living here, as given by many citizens the reason for not giving birth, i propose multiple husbands and wives.

afterall i prefer natural born Singaporeans to imported Singaporeans.
I need Singaporeans who has undergone NS (like Richwang's son) to protect my Singapore properties :)Army cannot property your property lah... it just takes an economic crisis and you may just lose your property... if u cannot finance that mortgage loan lor... :scared-3:

carbuncle
28-04-12, 22:51
if two guy get married leh? must adopt at least 4 kids to replace the 2 stranded woman

richwang
06-05-12, 22:04
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1199394/1/.html?fb_ref=.T6Tr75nQqrM.like&fb_source=home_multiline

SINGAPORE: An off-duty military policeman was found hanging from a rope in Changi Airbase on Saturday morning.

A statement from the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) said 24-year-old 2nd Sergeant (2SG) Suresh Seluras from 608 Squadron was found stiff, unconscious and without pulse.

An SAF ambulance with a medic attended to the regular serviceman immediately at 9.35am and started resuscitation efforts.

He was sent via ambulance to Changi General Hospital (CGH) at 10.25 am.

The medic continued to resuscitate him en route to the hospital.

The ambulance arrived at CGH 15 minutes later at 10.40am, and 2SG Suresh was pronounced dead at 10.53am.

MINDEF and SAF extend their deepest condolences to the family of the late 2SG Suresh.

SAF is assisting the family in their time of grief and is investigating the incident.

A police investigation will be conducted.

- CNA/wk

carbuncle
06-05-12, 22:13
Bro rich dont scare yourself read too much such news. These happen time to time....

richwang
11-05-12, 22:42
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1200705/1/.html

SINGAPORE: The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) has suspended all field training from Friday till 15 May, following the death of a full-time national serviceman who was involved in an accident.

3rd Sergeant (3SG) Tan Mou Sheng was travelling in a scout jeep as part of an exercise at Marsiling training area at 6.50am on Friday when the driver lost control of the vehicle and the jeep overturned.

The 20-year-old instructor was found pinned under the vehicle.

The driver, 3SG Tan Cavin, and the front seat passenger, 3SG Hong Dickson, were wearing their seat belts and remained within the vehicle at the time of the incident. The left rear passenger, 3SG Ow Yong Wei Long, was found away from the vehicle unharmed.

Despite the best efforts by the Khoo Teck Puat Hospital surgical team, 3SG Tan Mou Sheng succumbed to his injuries and was pronounced dead at 1.56pm.

Following the incident, the Army has declared a safety time-out from Friday till 15. During this period, all Army field training will be suspended.

The objective of the safety time-out is to remind commanders, trainers and instructors on the safety system to ensure safety measures are in place and reiterate to commanders and servicemen that safety is also an individual responsibility.

The commanders overseeing the exercise have been suspended.

The Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) and the SAF extend their deepest condolences to the family of the late 3SG Tan Mou Sheng.

MINDEF and the SAF are assisting the family in their time of grief and are investigating the incident. The Police is also conducting a separate investigation.

3SG Brandon Tan, a fellow instructor, said: "3SG Tan Mou Sheng was a fighter and an outgoing person. He was a resolute person and a good friend. We will miss him."

- CNA/ir

ysyap
11-05-12, 23:19
Army accidents are always a stop sign for Mindef to evaluate their SOPs and ways of doing things... pity that it has to cost a life...

carbuncle
11-05-12, 23:22
Bro rich should share some good news rather than all the horrid ones... I hope you dont only talk about all these to your son - its very demoralising for a serviceman...

richwang
11-05-12, 23:41
The first thing we need to do is clearly define what is "National Service".
You cannot call a Military Service which half of the citizens (if not more) who don't need to service as "National" service.

If it is Military Service, just call it Military Service.

Thanks,
Richard

carbuncle
11-05-12, 23:53
The first thing we need to do is clearly define what is "National Service".
You cannot call a Military Service which half of the citizens (if not more) who don't need to service as "National" service.

If it is Military Service, just call it Military Service.

Thanks,
Richard
National Service simply means A Service to the Nation. Not referring to whole nation doing service.