View Full Version : Rochor residents complain about having to leave flats
Published on Nov 19, 2011
By Feng Zengkun
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_735673.html
The MP in charge of Rochor Centre on Friday said she will try to seek higher compensation for those evicted to make way for the North-South Expressway.
Ms Denise Phua said this after a tense hour during which more than 200 residents aired their grievances at the launch of an exhibition of the new flats they are being offered in Kallang.
'I will speak to (the Housing Board) and see if it's possible to increase the compensation to the residents,' said Ms Phua, an MP for Moulmein-Kallang GRC.
'I understand that there are residents who are very angry at having to move... It's difficult but we have to accept the Government's decision.
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The Government is to acquire 567 flats in four blocks at Rochor Centre for the new road - the highest number of flats affected by a land development project to date. It will build 810 new units next to the Kallang River as replacement housing, to be ready in 2016.
Although older residents who showed up on Friday were mostly resigned to the move, most of the middle-aged ones said they were angry and did not think the new flats were fair compensation.
Secretary Mabel Woo, 40, who lives in a three-room flat with her husband, said: 'Right now we have shops and grocery stores right below our flats. There's even a temple nearby. This is a great convenience to the many residents here who are elderly, especially when it rains. In the new place they will have to walk farther.'
Others said the move disrupted their personal lives. Mr Arun Kumar, 47, a businessman who lives in a three-room flat with his family, said: 'I work at Sim Lim Tower and can walk to work from my flat now. Many of us will have to get up earlier and pay more in transport and to the ERP (Electronic Road Pricing) gantries.'
Almost all the 20 residents The Straits Times spoke to said they would move to Kallang, but only because they had little choice.
'At the very least, the HDB should have offered us several locations to choose from,' said sales executive Lim Siow Khee, 41, who bought a three-room flat at the centre two years ago.
Retiree Yang Chan Nan, 66, who has lived in a three-room unit there for 35 years, was worried about the Kallang flats' proximity to the Geylang red-light district, about 500m away.
One of the few residents optimistic about the move was Ms Joanna Lim, 65, a housewife who lives in a three-room flat with her grandson.
She intends to bid for a five-room unit in the Kallang block. 'We've been meaning to upgrade to a bigger flat for some time, so this guaranteed housing is a bonus for us,' she said.
The 21.5km expressway will link towns in the north to the city. Advance work will start from 2013, and major roadworks will begin from 2015. The project is expected to be finished by 2020.
Elsewhere, Minister for Transport Lui Tuck Yew met stakeholders of the Nanyang Pho Leng association on Monday to explain why they too, were being asked to make way for the expressway.
Mr Lui, whose ward in Moulmein-Kallang GRC includes the clan building, said the association asked whether it could move back to the site after construction on the new road is completed. 'I will speak to the relevant agencies to see if that's possible,' said Mr Lui.
Both Ms Phua and Mr Lui sought their constituents' understanding. 'I hope they understand that their sacrifice is for the greater good,' said Ms Phua.
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Relocated site is definitely not great compared to where they are staying now. Too close to geylang. In future. most SERs will not be moving to a better place as compared to those 10 years ago. Wonder why prospective buyers are willing to pay $100k above the valuation price plus good COV for these flats.
Relocated site is definitely not great compared to where they are staying now. Too close to geylang. In future. most SERs will not be moving to a better place as compared to those 10 years ago. Wonder why prospective buyers are willing to pay $100k above the valuation price plus good COV for these flats.
i hold another view. Kallang Riverside is up and coming. With River + proximity to MRT, CBD, Suntec, Marina Bay, Sports Hub.....Kallang has a lot of upside, while Rochor is simply too 'messy' and congested.
I want to remind MP Denise Chua that she needs to fulfill her promise to rejuvenate my estate. Please don't talk only and remove the upgrading banner after GE. :hell-hath-no-fury:
If HDB relent, then in future every resident in future SERS project would want to bargain and negotiate for higher compensation...., resident test water to see if HDB and KBW give in....
devilplate
19-11-11, 15:20
If HDB relent, then in future every resident in future SERS project would want to bargain and negotiate for higher compensation...., resident test water to see if HDB and KBW give in....
getting scary rite....
$$$ is the root of all evil???:eek:
i actually pity the MP......
getting scary rite....
$$$ is the root of all evil???:eek:
i actually pity the MP......
Ya, MP if never bring residents' case to HDB, residents will complaint him say never do work, after GE don't care. If appeal fail, residents will say he wayang....; remind me of Serangoon Gardens residents who voted George Yeo, Lim Hwee Hua out of Aljunied becos of workers quarters case...:D
Allthepies
19-11-11, 20:14
Ya, MP if never bring residents' case to HDB, residents will complaint him say never do work, after GE don't care. If appeal fail, residents will say he wayang....; remind me of Serangoon Gardens residents who voted George Yeo, Lim Hwee Hua out of Aljunied becos of workers quarters case...:D
Now u know how shallow some singaporeans are. The opposition get voted in not becos they are good, it becos some people just want to spite the incumbent MP for doing things not to their likings :banghead:
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20111118-311427.html
Rochor residents unhappy at lack of dialogue over move
By Hannah Teoh
AsiaOne
Friday, Nov 18, 2011
The new Kallang flats*offered to Rochor residents of Rochor Centre affected by the upcoming North-South Expressway (Way) was unveiled at a Meet The People session held on Friday evening*by MP Ms Denise Phua.
But the news was met with mixed feelings, even as Ms Phua listed the benefits of moving to the new site.
More than 500 families to make way for new highway
Chief among the complaints was the lack of any dialogue prior to being served the acquisition notice. Some residents were also*unhappy with the Kallang site,*viewing it as a less than ideal location.
Ms Phua said that while she agreed that many residents at Rochor Centre enjoyed the centrality of the location, she started receiving more complaints about the standard of living there in recent years.
She told media that some residents complained* that the area*was noisy, and elderly people faced inconveniences*such as not having lifts that serve every floor.
In contrast, Ms Phua listed amenities at the new Kallang site such as closeness to the MRT and Kallang River, and lifts on every floor of the block that would serve residents instead.
Some residents AsiaOne spoke to*disagreed.
One resident was disgruntled that there was no dialogue before they were served the land aquisition notice, and said the notice came as a shock.
A long-time resident, who only wanted to be known as Miss Mag, said: "We were not given any dialogue sessions. This is a top-down approach and some people are very bitter about it."
Another Rochor resident , Miss Lim, said: "They should hear us out and hear our concerns. We have to sacrifice our home for motorists."
In response, Ms Phua said that it was difficult to have a dialogue session for a situation like this one because speculation about land* aquisition would impact the land prices.
She added: "I urge the residents not to make rash decisions. HDB said that for the next month, all sales will be frozen in order for residents to collect information so that they can make the right decision."
One couple, Mr Lee and his wife, felt that the Kallang site was less than ideal, and was reluctant to move.
Mr Lee said: "The MRT track is overhead, as compared to here where it is underground. The noise will be terrible. The site is also near Geylang Lorong 1, and it is near the red light district."
The demand by old men for special services will go up. Geylang will expand towards Kallang. Is this part of Kallang revitalisation plan?
The demand by old men for special services will go up. Geylang will expand towards Kallang. Is this part of Kallang revitalisation plan?
More than $100k compensation can go for many special service trips...:D
Geylang OKT, where r u? Biz boom coming, time to plan for expansion...:D
The demand by old men for special services will go up. Geylang will expand towards Kallang. Is this part of Kallang revitalisation plan?
That I fear. Why do they want to build hotels at Kallang Riverside? I hope the govt won't sell the land to any hotel operators. Must specify the type of hotels. Just hope the govt don't mess it up.
blackjack21trader
20-11-11, 06:46
Maybe your humble brother here can enlighten a bit la.... you see, no buildings in our mortal world can last for more than 50 years. If it did like in the West, they are mostly ill maintained and low rise buildings.
If even the structural is intact and strong, the software like pipes and wiring will be corrupted. Many alien beings (like insects and bugs ) would have infested every cavities in the building. Under the bath tubs, you could find centipedes or lizards. Or, worse, the interior of a metal pipe would have corroded unknowingly. That is why, the costs of refurnishing the whole building to last another 50 years would be as good as rebuilding one.
I wonder brothers here got go look see look see some of our conservative houses or not? The major restructuring required is as good as replacing the software into new ones and just putting the exterior cover back lor.
Some want to argue that I am flawed in my reasoning as they see many old buildings in the West. Yes, one fine day they will give up maintaining them altogether, when the goose fly back home to be roasted. That is why, you find many run down buildings near the outskirts of the Western cities whereby the demand for commerce activity is low.
I feel moving the Rochorian to Kallang is a good one because the new Kallang's location is not bad also :)
Good Luck.
神龙股侠。
nil sine labore!
Maybe your humble brother here can enlighten a bit la.... you see, no buildings in our mortal world can last for more than 50 years. If it did like in the West, they are mostly ill maintained and low rise buildings.
If even the structural is intact and strong, the software like pipes and wiring will be corrupted. Many alien beings (like insects and bugs ) would have infested every cavities in the building. Under the bath tubs, you could find centipedes or lizards. Or, worse, the interior of a metal pipe would have corroded unknowingly. That is why, the costs of refurnishing the whole building to last another 50 years would be as good as rebuilding one.
I wonder brothers here got go look see look see some of our conservative houses or not? The major restructuring required is as good as replacing the software into new ones and just putting the exterior cover back lor.
Some want to argue that I am flawed in my reasoning as they see many old buildings in the West. Yes, one fine day they will give up maintaining them altogether, when the goose fly back home to be roasted. That is why, you find many run down buildings near the outskirts of the Western cities whereby the demand for commerce activity is low.
I feel moving the Rochorian to Kallang is a good one because the new Kallang's location is not bad also :)
Good Luck.
神龙股侠。
nil sine labore!
Old people usually don't like to move for many reasons. You can test the idea of shifting to a new (lousier) location with your parents...
Now u know how shallow some singaporeans are. The opposition get voted in not becos they are good, it becos some people just want to spite the incumbent MP for doing things not to their likings :banghead:
The workers' quarters case is only one of many factors how people vote. Other factors include the strength of the Worker's Party team which include Low Thia Kiang, Silvia Lim, Chen Show Mao, the desire for more opposition voices, the shortcomings of the PAP and so on.
Give credit where credit is due.
devilplate
20-11-11, 08:05
Old people usually don't like to move for many reasons. You can test the idea of shifting to a new (lousier) location with your parents...
it was reported tat old ppl r not the ones making noise.....i m kind of surprised actually too
is those $$$ faced middle aged group!
What a pity... The residents have to endure construction for many years. They could have enjoyed the two downtown MRT stations so near to them but alas
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd125/novawin/DTLBugis.jpg
nobrainer32007
20-11-11, 08:55
Very impressed with the map outlining the mrt station. Where u got itfrom? :)
UOTE=ecimbew]What a pity... The residents have to endure construction for many years. They could have enjoyed the two downtown MRT stations so near to them but alas
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd125/novawin/DTLBugis.jpg[/QUOTE]
it was reported tat old ppl r not the ones making noise.....i m kind of surprised actually too
is those $$$ faced middle aged group!
My relative stays there and she is an old auntie grumbling about it :p
I suppose shifting a house for an old person is as drastic as changing job for a young person who needs a lot of adjustments.
I know the old people will have issues moving, but seriously, land values in kallang are going to shoot through the roof in time to come!!!
Kallang is not a bad area minus the geylang activities. Riverine by the park is partially affected by this.
If the activities grow out of it's epicenter... There'll be lots of disgruntled owners.
I know the old people will have issues moving, but seriously, land values in kallang are going to shoot through the roof in time to come!!!
if u believe so, mai tu liao go buy a private whether correction comes or not.
Allthepies
20-11-11, 17:01
The workers' quarters case is only one of many factors how people vote. Other factors include the strength of the Worker's Party team which include Low Thia Kiang, Silvia Lim, Chen Show Mao, the desire for more opposition voices, the shortcomings of the PAP and so on.
Give credit where credit is due.
I don't believe if the same worker gang come west they will be voted in. The reason that west have strong support for pap is becos of major Jurong regional development plan, direct benefits to the citizens there. if the the Jurong development plan is at Aljunied instead, the WP stands no chance at all :D
Why don't govt build the same as Rochor Centre, where there are shops below the residential area so that those affected shops can also set up their business there.
For reading pleasure, although the discussions were many years back.
http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/85044
I don't believe if the same worker gang come west they will be voted in. The reason that west have strong support for pap is becos of major Jurong regional development plan, direct benefits to the citizens there. if the the Jurong development plan is at Aljunied instead, the WP stands no chance at all :D
A win is a win. We will talk about the West in due course. :)
Ya, MP if never bring residents' case to HDB, residents will complaint him say never do work, after GE don't care. If appeal fail, residents will say he wayang....; remind me of Serangoon Gardens residents who voted George Yeo, Lim Hwee Hua out of Aljunied becos of workers quarters case...:D
Ya, MP cannot just pay so much attention to HDB residents only, pte residents are just as powerful as HDB residents, cheers. :cheers3:
I don't believe if the same worker gang come west they will be voted in. The reason that west have strong support for pap is becos of major Jurong regional development plan, direct benefits to the citizens there. if the the Jurong development plan is at Aljunied instead, the WP stands no chance at all :D
The West voted PAP because WP did not go there and West has higher percentage of PAP-fearing curry favour carrying New Citizens who by statistics always vote PAP in exchange for Singapore citizenship.
You think too highly of PAP abilities.
devilplate
23-11-11, 09:38
The West voted PAP because WP did not go there and West has higher percentage of PAP-fearing curry favour carrying New Citizens who by statistics always vote PAP in exchange for Singapore citizenship.
You think too highly of PAP abilities.
tok again during nxt GE
tok again during nxt GE
I might be too old by then to be mentally strong to vote, most probably PA grassroots disguise as polling agents will harass my old mind to vote PAP or might have left the world too by next GE. I am only a few years younger than LKY.
So many 3rd World countries people become Singapore citizens lately,PAP really will use all means to increase vote count including using taxpayers money to woo 3rd World countries people to be Singapore citizens.
Singapore is no longer the same country my children grew up in, the values are diluted and fast becoming extinct.
:D :D :D
devilplate
23-11-11, 10:46
I might be too old by then to be mentally strong to vote, most probably PA grassroots disguise as polling agents will harass my old mind to vote PAP or might have left the world too by next GE. I am only a few years younger than LKY.
So many 3rd World countries people become Singapore citizens lately,PAP really will use all means to increase vote count including using taxpayers money to woo 3rd World countries people to be Singapore citizens.
Singapore is no longer the same country my children grew up in, the values are diluted and fast becoming extinct.
:D :D :D
wah....din noe u r so senior......i felt bad bickering at ur few mths back wor....
ya....SG is no longer the same as b4....even 'younger' folks like me can feel tat....
the world is ever changing.....Sg goto survive or stays happy as bhutan? dun tink it is possible to haf a balance.....u see Eu.....
it is always easy to point fingers.....i dun expect things to get much better if entire PAP is replaced.....external threat is too overwhelming.....
wishing u all the best and stay healthy ;)
I might be too old by then to be mentally strong to vote, most probably PA grassroots disguise as polling agents will harass my old mind to vote PAP or might have left the world too by next GE. I am only a few years younger than LKY.
So many 3rd World countries people become Singapore citizens lately,PAP really will use all means to increase vote count including using taxpayers money to woo 3rd World countries people to be Singapore citizens.
Singapore is no longer the same country my children grew up in, the values are diluted and fast becoming extinct.
:D :D :D
hahaha.... zhun bo? you so old...
Firstly, what makes you think new citizens will vote for PAP? (btw, most new citizens are ex-Malaysians).
Secondly, Singapore is only 46 years old, what values do you consider uniquely Singaporean that is diluted and becoming extinct.
devilplate
23-11-11, 11:13
hahaha.... zhun bo? you so old...
Firstly, what makes you think new citizens will vote for PAP? (btw, most new citizens are ex-Malaysians).
Secondly, Singapore is only 46 years old, what values do you consider uniquely Singaporean that is diluted and becoming extinct.
u make alot of sense!!!
ya hor...wat values do we haf? early founders of SG r all from all walks of life.....rojak values? LOL
I might be too old by then to be mentally strong to vote, most probably PA grassroots disguise as polling agents will harass my old mind to vote PAP or might have left the world too by next GE. I am only a few years younger than LKY.
......
You mean you have to prove that you are mentally fit to be allowed to vote?
Mental patients like people with dementia, parkinsons, alzheimer etc, not allowed to vote?
u make alot of sense!!!
ya hor...wat values do we haf? early founders of SG r all from all walks of life.....rojak values? LOL
universal values of fair play, justice, equality, protecting the weak etc lah... and in SG's case national service defines the male sporean.
universal values of fair play, justice, equality, protecting the weak etc lah... and in SG's case national service defines the male sporean.
As the term "universal" implies, the values you mentioned are adopted by everybody universally. It is not unique to Singapore.
Conscription for NS in Singapore only started in 1967. This excludes all the old guards like Goh Keng Swee, LKY, Ngiam Tong Dow....etc. Our friend Wenqing if he is as old as he claims he is, also has not served NS.
devilplate
23-11-11, 12:40
As the term "universal" implies, the values you mentioned are adopted by everybody universally. It is not unique to the Singaporeans.
Conscription for NS in Singapore only started in 1967. This excludes all the old guards like Goh Keng Swee, LKY, Ngiam Tong Dow....etc. Our friend Wenqing if he is as old as he claims he is, also has not served NS.
u r such a gd talker!!!! u shd join parliament!!
u r such a gd talker!!!! u shd join parliament!!
Aiyah... I tokking cok only lah...
As the term "universal" implies, the values you mentioned are adopted by everybody universally. It is not unique to Singapore.
Conscription for NS in Singapore only started in 1967. This excludes all the old guards like Goh Keng Swee, LKY, Ngiam Tong Dow....etc. Our friend Wenqing if he is as old as he claims he is, also has not served NS.
these values are unique to spore as they are not universally practiced on the island. ;)
4 legs good 2 legs better.
As the term "universal" implies, the values you mentioned are adopted by everybody universally. It is not unique to Singapore.
Conscription for NS in Singapore only started in 1967. This excludes all the old guards like Goh Keng Swee, LKY, Ngiam Tong Dow....etc. Our friend Wenqing if he is as old as he claims he is, also has not served NS.
The values the PAP Old Guards supported in their rally speeches when LKY, Goh Keng Swee, Rajaratnam etc protested against corruption, government injustice, fair play, LKY calling Straits Times journalists prostitutes of government, leading strikes etc . Values which was more common during my children's growing up years.
Since you said after 46 years of development, Singapore has no values, guess PAP has not created a country but a straits settlement similiar to British. Singaporeans still have no identity and nothing to identify with. Sad.
:( :( :(
these values are unique to spore as they are not universally practiced on the island. ;)
4 legs good 2 legs better.
Ohhh... I see.... :D
Not only Rochor residents complains about leaving, those people who work there are also very unwilling to leave. Everything is so convenient, food, transportation, market etc.
Never expect that the move to be so great. Always thought that govt is going to develop the Bugis/Rochor Road into an entertainment hub. Few months back, the HDB personnel went to some of the shops to check, picking up those shops that use the unit for storage of their goods or shops that look more like an office. The reason is shops in Rochor Centre is meant to be a retail shop and not meant for office or storeroom. When you sell something, you also need a place to store your goods and tables and chairs for the salesman/accounts staff/manager, right, but HDB said that the storeroom and office must not be too big.:doh: So lots of the tenants have re-renovate their units to look more like a retail shops and now they want them to move.:doh:
The government hopes to see 10000 people queuing up for a new integrated residential condo, MRT, mall, bus-stop and expressway entrance/exit at this location.
The values the PAP Old Guards supported in their rally speeches when LKY, Goh Keng Swee, Rajaratnam etc protested against corruption, government injustice, fair play, LKY calling Straits Times journalists prostitutes of government, leading strikes etc . Values which was more common during my children's growing up years.
Since you said after 46 years of development, Singapore has no values, guess PAP has not created a country but a straits settlement similiar to British. Singaporeans still have no identity and nothing to identify with. Sad.
:( :( :(
Since when did I say Singaporeans have no identity or values...???:doh:
I am asking you, since you talk of Singapore values being diluted to the extent of extinction, since you claim to be so old (and presumably wise)Please enlighten me on what this values are.... please please....
It is indeed sad if you can't name them and beat around the bush. Especially since you say are only a few years away younger than LKY (this means you must have lived through the war too):tsk-tsk:
Since when did I say Singaporeans have no identity or values...???:doh:
I am asking you, since you talk of Singapore values being diluted to the extent of extinction, since you claim to be so old (and presumably wise)Please enlighten me on what this values are.... please please....
It is indeed sad if you can't name them and beat around the bush. Especially since you say are only a few years away younger than LKY (this means you must have lived through the war too):tsk-tsk:
Beat around bush ?? You cannot understand the values I implied ?? Maybe we got generation gap.
Back in the past, we had more steel, willing to struggle and fight for our beliefs, willing to sacrifice, have a greater sense of justice and fairness, was simpler and more contented and paid less attention to money and status.
We were friendlier, less stress, could identify with leaders, government and PAP. Nation come before self. Even we are not a nation, we know Japanese was evil and communism was wrong.
But now the new generation, it is different. Everything is money, money, money, cars, girls, what job, what house, abit not happy migrate instead of staying and fighting for their happiness and the country's future.
Guess I am old.
:( :( :( :(
Yes, I think we have a generation gap, but its bcoz I am older NOT younger than you.
Your airy fairy words betray you. You have no idea what it was like in the '50s and '60s
I think you are a phony young punk posing as a venerable elderly patriot. The internet gives people like you the anonymity to boldly post and pose as you like.
Beat around bush ?? You cannot understand the values I implied ?? Maybe we got generation gap.
Back in the past, we had more steel, willing to struggle and fight for our beliefs, willing to sacrifice, have a greater sense of justice and fairness, was simpler and more contented and paid less attention to money and status.
We were friendlier, less stress, could identify with leaders, government and PAP. Nation come before self. Even we are not a nation, we know Japanese was evil and communism was wrong.
But now the new generation, it is different. Everything is money, money, money, cars, girls, what job, what house, abit not happy migrate instead of staying and fighting for their happiness and the country's future.
Guess I am old.
:( :( :( :(
devilplate
24-11-11, 11:18
Yes, I think we have a generation gap, but its bcoz I am older NOT younger than you.
Your airy fairy words betray you. You have no idea what it was like in the '50s and '60s
I think you are a phony young punk posing as a venerable elderly patriot. The internet gives people like you the anonymity to boldly post and pose as you like.
wah piang....do i look like a fool?
OMG!
Yes, I think we have a generation gap, but its bcoz I am older NOT younger than you.
Your airy fairy words betray you. You have no idea what it was like in the '50s and '60s
I think you are a phony young punk posing as a venerable elderly patriot. The internet gives people like you the anonymity to boldly post and pose as you like.
doesnt mean both of you are old and therefore share the same values.. e.g. one could be a neo-colonialist, the other is a socialist or anti-colonialist... just saying hehe :o
Isn't this a chance for singles over 35 to own a brand new hdb flat? :)
devilplate
24-11-11, 12:03
Isn't this a chance for singles over 35 to own a brand new hdb flat? :)
nid to sell ur privates....u want meh? hehehe
Wenqing claims to be a few years younger than LKY, since LKY is already 88yr than he wld be about 85yr+-.
I didn't live thru the war, I am not so old but old enough.... to read from wenqing "Even we are not a nation, we know Japanese was evil and communism was wrong"
this coming from a supposed 85yro man makes my skin crawl.
Wenqing, you young punk let me tell you... during that time nobody knew communism was right or wrong. The rest of what you wrote is also full of sh-t!
You sir... are a charlatan!
devilplate
24-11-11, 12:06
i catch no balls...
tat makes me a yng punk!!!
i catch no balls...
tat makes me a yng punk!!!
I was only referring to Wenqing
punk(phttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ubreve.gifngk)
n.1. Slang a. A young person, especially a member of a rebellious counterculture group.
b. An inexperienced young man.
Ok gentlemen...
My outbursts have digressed from the topic of the thread. The last thing I want is to politicise the forum which is what Wenqing wants.
My sincerest apologies for that.
Wenqing claims to be a few years younger than LKY, since LKY is already 88yr than he wld be about 85yr+-.
I didn't live thru the war, I am not so old but old enough.... to read from wenqing "Even we are not a nation, we know Japanese was evil and communism was wrong"
this coming from a supposed 85yro man makes my skin crawl.
Wenqing, you young punk let me tell you... during that time nobody knew communism was right or wrong. The rest of what you wrote is also full of sh-t!
You sir... are a charlatan!
if i may add thats not true leh
there is one group who is definitely very sure communism is 'wrong', or rather, it is not in their interests.. and this group is the colonialists and neo-colonialist supporters who also conveniently uses the communist label to tar and frame their socialist opponents. i dont think i need to say more hehe.
back to pty talk then! :D
if i may add thats not true leh
there is one group who is definitely very sure communism is 'wrong', or rather, it is not in their interests.. and this group is the colonialists and neo-colonialist supporters who also conveniently uses the communist label to tar and frame their socialist opponents. i dont think i need to say more hehe.
back to pty talk then! :D
That's true... but wenqing was refering to "we" as in "Singaporeans" know that communism was wrong citing that as one of our values....
Anyway... back to ppty
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