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wenqing
28-04-11, 22:43
As the election thread is getting too many posts and overcrowded, I decided to start one for Election Videos, Youtubes and Rallies.

These are private contributors which ST and CNA will not show.


Nicole Seah at National Solidarity Patry's first rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9yU2r9ywM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9yU2r9ywM&feature=player_embedded)


Low Thia Khiang at Workers' Party's first rally


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM7IBrf3vGI

wenqing
28-04-11, 22:47
My Humble Pics : WP Rally HG vs PAP Buangkok

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3209341

Geylang OKT
28-04-11, 22:50
Do you like Alvin Stardust?

This is a nice song you know :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfvniO-DWZ8

wenqing
28-04-11, 22:54
PAP getting votes by threathening voters with Upgrading.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded

Geylang OKT
28-04-11, 22:55
PAP getting votes by threathening voters with Upgrading.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded

She has nice titties :D

land118
28-04-11, 23:10
Do you like Alvin Stardust?

This is a nice song you know :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfvniO-DWZ8....veri good...long time never hear tis song already...

land118
28-04-11, 23:13
She has nice titties :D
Wow, u have X-ray eyes or damn good imagination....I can't see la

Geylang OKT
28-04-11, 23:15
Wow, u have X-ray eyes or damn good imagination....I can't see la

Sylvia Lim has huge headlamps too. I lau nua until non stop ahhhh :D :D :D

devilplate
28-04-11, 23:19
i got issues wif chen show mao

was at hougang jus now....

he speak like 'gu niang'.....

i dun like he said he is 'old' immigrant of SG.....:hell-hath-no-fury:

dun flame me....its just my opinion;)

devilplate
28-04-11, 23:20
Sylvia Lim has huge headlamps too. I lau nua until non stop ahhhh :D :D :D

WOW...nid a plastic bag?

wenqing
28-04-11, 23:21
i got issues wif chen show mao

was at hougang jus now....

he speak like 'gu niang'.....

i dun like he said he is 'old' immigrant of SG.....:hell-hath-no-fury:

dun flame me....its just my opinion;)

Lol.

I am sure you are matured enough to differentiate ability and voice.

devilplate
28-04-11, 23:23
Lol.

I am sure you are matured enough to differentiate ability and voice.

i duno him tat well....

tats my first impression about him:)

Geylang OKT
28-04-11, 23:23
WOW...nid a plastic bag?

you gotch pail or not? :D

wenqing
28-04-11, 23:36
Chen Show Mao at Workers' Party's first rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If1bXl7gZ_0&feature=player_embedded

wenqing
28-04-11, 23:42
i duno him tat well....

tats my first impression about him:)

I mean you are matured enough to not vote because you dislike a voice.

It is the content of his speech you should take note.

devilplate
28-04-11, 23:44
I mean you are matured enough to not vote because you dislike a voice right?

It is the content of his speech you should take note.

i say he speak like gu niang....tats all....

did i say voters shdnt vote for him due to his voice? LOL

old immigrant still errks me:hell-hath-no-fury:

devilplate
28-04-11, 23:49
being a politician....image, knowledge, ability, both soft anf hard skills etc etc....whole package

not saying he is sissy or soft....jus gu niang voice...hehe....politician voice vy impt....nid to speak very welll and convincing too....its an ART;)

extremme
28-04-11, 23:49
Perhaps it is his context ? As in he is old ie age and not old as in he been in Singapore long

devilplate
28-04-11, 23:53
Perhaps it is his context ? As in he is old ie age and not old as in he been in Singapore long

duno wor...just left me with question mark all over....not a pleasant feeling for me...:(

the rest i am ok....as i am standing far far away....i can only hear wat they say....got no issues wif LTK(since cant see his face):p

in fact, he commands gd stage prescence:cheers6:

Geylang OKT
28-04-11, 23:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRWcc5qLPtw

extremme
29-04-11, 00:22
duno wor...just left me with question mark all over....not a pleasant feeling for me...:(

the rest i am ok....as i am standing far far away....i can only hear wat they say....got no issues wif LTK(since cant see his face):p

in fact, he commands gd stage prescence:cheers6:
U saw Ns speech wow she is very fierce! To quote her, i ask e Singapore pm who pays your salary ? But somehow I think she is too aggressive here?

devilplate
29-04-11, 00:26
U saw Ns speech wow she is very fierce! To quote her, i ask e Singapore pm who pays your salary ? But somehow I think she is too aggressive here?

WP SHOWHAND LIAO!!!

Regulators
29-04-11, 00:59
ALL TIME FAVOURITE SENTIMENTAL SONG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CcLml7ikn8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJQOnT0xAM

Regulators
29-04-11, 01:01
she is very very ***y when she speaks...i like it very much


U saw Ns speech wow she is very fierce! To quote her, i ask e Singapore pm who pays your salary ? But somehow I think she is too aggressive here?

wenqing
29-04-11, 01:59
Sylvia Lim at The Workers' Party's first rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2ZA_GHUjro&feature=player_embedded

rattydrama
29-04-11, 02:00
wenqing, thanks to keep posting the videos.

wenqing
29-04-11, 02:00
U saw Ns speech wow she is very fierce! To quote her, i ask e Singapore pm who pays your salary ? But somehow I think she is too aggressive here?

Not as aggressive as PAP MPs at the rallies.

wenqing
29-04-11, 02:02
Workers' Party Rally #2

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=145121475557021

wenqing
29-04-11, 02:33
Dr Ang Yong Guan at SDP's rally in Holland-Bukit Timah GRC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChBhJKFI58U&feature=player_embedded#at=23

SDP 春天 天天好天 2011 Singapore Democratic Party Rally. April 28 Video 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFbkuSm_6Q0&feature=player_embedded#at=31

wenqing
29-04-11, 02:53
Vincent Wijeysingha of the SDP rally on 28 April 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4VJhbKeUoU&feature=player_embedded

wenqing
29-04-11, 04:15
Vivian gets lashed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hQJzkHFUJ8&feature=player_embedded

wenqing
29-04-11, 04:25
SDP's James Gomez: "We are going to send him to Johor Bahru!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpjjTCssb_o&feature=player_embedded

wenqing
29-04-11, 04:27
PAP Press Conference: Q&A part 3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv9eq2L1Z8I&feature=player_embedded

wenqing
29-04-11, 06:07
Presenting the 'stars' of the General Election...



http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/what-is-buzzing/tongue-cheek-photos-general-election-082000838.html

Regulators
29-04-11, 06:13
bro, thanks for the wonder woman picture, I really like that. I am becoming a fan of Nicole Seah now lol


Presenting the 'stars' of the General Election...



http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/what-is-buzzing/tongue-cheek-photos-general-election-082000838.html

ysyap
29-04-11, 06:39
I fully agree with Low TK when he said WP's not fighting to be the driver in the car but the driver needs a co-driver because when the driver is falling asleep, the co-driver can slap him awake!!! :spliff:

ysyap
29-04-11, 06:41
i got issues wif chen show mao

was at hougang jus now....

he speak like 'gu niang'.....

i dun like he said he is 'old' immigrant of SG.....:hell-hath-no-fury:

dun flame me....its just my opinion;)Well at least he spoke in all 4 languages of the country. He also said Singaporeans coward in pass elections for not voting for opposition which I don't really fancy but I respect him for making the efforts!!! :cheers1:

ay123
29-04-11, 06:50
Nicole has better stage present then Chen shao Mao. If she join wp will definitely help to pull more votes for wp.

wenqing
29-04-11, 06:53
Massive turnout at opposition rallies (http://singaporege2011.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/massive-turnout-at-opposition-rallies/)


http://singaporege2011.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/massive-turnout-at-opposition-rallies/

wenqing
29-04-11, 06:56
Well at least he spoke in all 4 languages of the country. He also said Singaporeans coward in pass elections for not voting for opposition which I don't really fancy but I respect him for making the efforts!!! :cheers1:

It is valid statement though.

For PAP's Upgrading-Threat-to-Get-Votes and Give-You-Money-Only-At Elections tactic to work, PAP need Singaporeans to be weak in character, mercenary and 'cowardly'.

PAP must have feel it is extremely successful to use it for 20 odd years.

chiaberry
29-04-11, 07:02
It is valid statement though.

For PAP's Upgrading-Threat-to-Get-Votes tactic to work, PAP need Singaporeans to be weak in character and 'cowardly'.

PAP must have feel it is extremely successful to use it for 20 odd years.

Ah yes but we have a younger generation of Singaporeans now. Not so prone to being threatened. After all they are not afraid to go against their parents let alone the administrators running the country. Let's see how much Singaporeans have "grown up" during these years. The Opposition has thrown down the gauntlet or maybe some of you may be more familiar with the term "throwing the cards down on the table". It is their big gamble. Either they win one or two GRCs or they lose everything and Singapore is doomed to be one party only - all seats taken by PAP. Singaporeans need to think carefully and vote wisely.

I wonder if the PAP wishes NS is on their side. They have always longed to have more women in their ranks. However the women they choose have not been so "powerful" a presence as NS. This time they tried to field a young female candidate to appeal to the younger generation but they don't seem to have made a good choice. TPL has come against someone on the Opposition camp who outshines her in so many ways. Kudos to NSP to find such a gem at such a good time to counter the Sweet Young Thing attack on voters by PAP.

:cheers1: :tongue2: :rocking-the-decks: :banana:

wenqing
29-04-11, 07:08
Photos of WP Rally at Hougang 28th April



http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/photos-of-wp-rally-at-hougang-28th-april/


Videos – speeches from the rallies


http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/videos-speeches-from-the-rallies/


http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/theonlinecitizen

wenqing
29-04-11, 07:16
Ah yes but we have a younger generation of Singaporeans now. Not so prone to being threatened. After all they are not afraid to go against their parents let alone the administrators running the country. Let's see how much Singaporeans have "grown up" during these years. The Opposition has thrown down the gauntlet or maybe some of you may be more familiar with the term "throwing the cards down on the table". It is their big gamble. Either they win one or two GRCs or they lose everything and Singapore is doomed to be one party only - all seats taken by PAP. Singaporeans need to think carefully and vote wisely.

I wonder if the PAP wishes NS is on their side. They have always longed to have more women in their ranks. However the women they choose have not been so "powerful" a presence as NS. This time they tried to field a young female candidate to appeal to the younger generation but they don't seem to have made a good choice. TPL has come against someone on the Opposition camp who outshines her in so many ways. Kudos to NSP to find such a gem at such a good time to counter the Sweet Young Thing attack on voters by PAP.

:cheers1: :tongue2: :rocking-the-decks: :banana:

Most of women PAP MPs if you notice hardly hold important positions in government.

Most join just for career advancement.

chiaberry
29-04-11, 07:19
Most of women PAP MPs if you notice hardly hold important positions in government.

Most join just for career advancement.

Window dressing.....to show that PAP is not ***ist. My own feeling is that the important decisions are still made by the "men". Please somebody prove me wrong. :ashamed1:

ysyap
29-04-11, 07:43
It is valid statement though.

For PAP's Upgrading-Threat-to-Get-Votes and Give-You-Money-Only-At Elections tactic to work, PAP need Singaporeans to be weak in character, mercenary and 'cowardly'.

PAP must have feel it is extremely successful to use it for 20 odd years.Valid only for those who voted PAP, not Singaporeans generally. I believe there are many Singaporeans who dare to vote opp but over the last many campaigns, its walk over.... Even in contested constituencies, there are those who voted for opp but not enough to win so its not that Singaporeans are coward.... :D This election is HISTORY in the making... :spliff:

chiaberry
29-04-11, 07:52
I think if Opposition win 10 seats (Aljunied + Bishan), that will make a "healthy" debate possible in Parliament. So PAP cannot "walk over" with their plans before hearing the arguments against.

extremme
29-04-11, 09:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCUy9ge-aIc

Chen Show Mao speech in Malay, Chinese and Hokkien

azeoprop
29-04-11, 09:32
I still can't forget our honorable president Ong was not given a state funeral. :(

ysyap
29-04-11, 09:33
I think if Opposition win 10 seats (Aljunied + Bishan), that will make a "healthy" debate possible in Parliament. So PAP cannot "walk over" with their plans before hearing the arguments against.Apart from the 10 seats you've mentioned, I also hope Tampines go to opp, along with Hougang and PP SMC so all in all, its 17 seats to opp. Quite a realistic wake up call to PM and a good number for check and balance? :D

chiaberry
29-04-11, 09:42
I still can't forget our honorable president Ong was not given a state funeral. :(

What's the story behind that? :confused:

sleek
29-04-11, 09:46
IIRC, something to do with the reserves and his rights as the President to protect it. :scared-5:


What's the story behind that? :confused:

chiaberry
29-04-11, 09:50
Apart from the 10 seats you've mentioned, I also hope Tampines go to opp, along with Hougang and PP SMC so all in all, its 17 seats to opp. Quite a realistic wake up call to PM and a good number for check and balance? :D

That would seem to be a healthy balance. But when it comes to the crunch, I wonder if Singaporeans can deliver that result?

devilplate
29-04-11, 10:26
That would seem to be a healthy balance. But when it comes to the crunch, I wonder if Singaporeans can deliver that result?

we just cannot anyhow vote for OPP without considering their abilities and proposals/promises ...

they deserved to be voted in by their own merits and not just bcoz they shd be voted in to make up for the 1/3 strength:doh:

WP slogan very power this round....FIRST WORLD PARLIAMENT!

i only keep listening them shouting this slogan.....other den tat wat u hear from them?:hell-hath-no-fury:

according to them, those who continue to vote for PAP r cowards!:doh: :simmering:

according to them, 1st world parliament must hf at least 1/3 opposition.....alternative voices.....but tat doesnt mean they r entitled to be voted in?!?!:doh:

tats my impression i received from last nite rally.....

ay123
29-04-11, 10:42
tats why voter should really think thru before vote. for me i want to vote not only for my future also the next generaton future, not jus to have 1/3 to balance argument. if current govt has been working to attract more investment to create more job but yet ppl complaining abt not getting a good job. are we sure the opp can do better than current?

maisonjai
29-04-11, 15:04
being a politician....image, knowledge, ability, both soft anf hard skills etc etc....whole package

not saying he is sissy or soft....jus gu niang voice...hehe....politician voice vy impt....nid to speak very welll and convincing too....its an ART;)

his mandarin very POWER wor, smooth, fluid & end with a stab..haha. Come across to me as Zhuge Liang. :D

CSM, Can Show More...:cheers6: He don't need to be a warrior, his presence put the other party on guard already power liao :im-so-happy:

amk
29-04-11, 15:05
they deserved to be voted in by their own merits and not just bcoz they shd be voted in to make up for the 1/3 strength:doh:

worse, they should not be voted for their own personal, or party's, glory !

ysyap
29-04-11, 15:12
worse, they should not be voted for their own personal, or party's, glory !Agreed... so also must watch those PAP candidates who only campaign behind the more influential members but are themselves not very confident...

Just a thought, PAP has an impressive record to maintain and is it wrong to ensure they keep that record? Is this equal to fighting for party's glory??? Who to say 'yes' or 'no'? Impossible to draw the line, isn't it?

Geylang OKT
29-04-11, 16:17
Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices! :D :D :D

wenqing
29-04-11, 16:31
General Election rallies


http://sg.news.yahoo.com/photos/general-election-rallies-slideshow/

wenqing
29-04-11, 16:33
Over 15,000 attend Workers’ Party rally

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/over-15-000-attend-workers-party-rally-221927038.html


http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/_l8DK7jUMPMb88PIUclkWA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7dz02MzA-/http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/KSIK5GJM_bjfmFXGmIHexQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7dz02MzA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/singaporescene/280411_WPRally03.jpgAn estimated 15,000 showed up for the Workers' Party rally. (Yahoo! photo)


An estimated 15,000 people who turned up at the Workers' Party (WP) rally on Thursday night went home impressed after listening to Chen Show Mao's maiden speech.


Chen -- who is contesting in Aljunied group representation constituency (GRC) with WP chief Low Thia Khiang, party chairman Sylvia Lim, Pritam Singh and Faisal Abdul Manap -- received one of the loudest cheers from the teeming mass of people gathered at a field along Hougang Central when he was introduced on stage.


The WP "star catch" went on to give his self-introductions in Malay and Tamil, before delivering his speech in English and Mandarin.


Calling the crowd "brothers and sisters", he said that he was heeding the call from the nation's leaders to come home and serve the country and that "it is good to be back to home."


During the course of his English speech, he touched on how wages were not increasing as fast as the country's GDP growth, highlighting that most of the growth went to corporate profits and wage income for top earners.


While speaking in Mandarin, Chen asked voters to think about their vote, before asking them to think about how many more "five years" they have left in their lives to choose their government.


WP secretary-general Low, who has been Hougang's MP for the past 20 years, also got the crowd cheering when he referred to Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam calling the WP "a co-driver", whom Low felt is essential especially when "the road is hard to navigate."


To everyone's delight, he said, "The co-driver is there to slap the driver when he drives off-course or when he falls asleep!"


After which he added, "But of course, if he drives responsibly, then just keep talking to him to keep him awake."


Yaw Shin Leong, who will be replacing Low in Hougang and will go against the People's Action Party's Desmond Choo, talked about "the Hougang spirit" among residents and asked why they were penalised for supporting the opposition.


He got the crowd cheering towards the end of his speech when he asked them, "Will you support us?"


Hougang resident Marx Seet, an auditor, was one of the many thousands who responded, "Die, die, support you!"


People Yahoo! Singapore spoke to felt that it was a good start to WP's campaign to win votes, especially with their 'A' team facing a tough battle ahead in Aljunied GRC.


http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CyK2xaCYbllrbwSaZXq5gw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7dz0zODA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/singaporescene/280411_WPRally13-copy.jpgWorkers' Party supporters brought their toy hammer to the rally. (Yahoo!/Liyana Low)


"It's the first time I've seen Singaporeans so passionate about something like this. But I do hope that crowds will translate into votes for them," said Kelvin Tey, 28.


Others felt that WP could do better with its rallies.

Said Deryck Chan, 25, "Some of the speakers could have done more to stir the crowds' emotions."

Second-time voter Juliana Yong added, "I'm here because I want to make an informed decision and get a clearer picture of who I want to vote for when I go to the polls."


For Ms M. Ng, 36, she was at the rally for a special reason.


"I came specially to hear his speech, I didn't even eat my dinner to come for this rally," she said, before screaming "Chen Show Mao, I love you!" when he was introduced on stage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKaGsoQ6vEA&feature=player_embedded
Watch a video of the crowd at the rally.

wenqing
29-04-11, 16:35
Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices! :D :D :D


Make it clear.

Opposition say only for first hand HDB flats for first time buyers, singles and low income.

Geylang OKT
29-04-11, 16:38
Make it clear.

Opposition say only for first hand HDB flats for first time buyers, singles and low income.

Vote Opposition! Vote for raiding Singapore's reserves! :D :D :D

wenqing
29-04-11, 16:43
we just cannot anyhow vote for OPP without considering their abilities and proposals/promises ...

they deserved to be voted in by their own merits and not just bcoz they shd be voted in to make up for the 1/3 strength:doh:

WP slogan very power this round....FIRST WORLD PARLIAMENT!

i only keep listening them shouting this slogan.....other den tat wat u hear from them?:hell-hath-no-fury:

according to them, those who continue to vote for PAP r cowards!:doh: :simmering:

according to them, 1st world parliament must hf at least 1/3 opposition.....alternative voices.....but tat doesnt mean they r entitled to be voted in?!?!:doh:

tats my impression i received from last nite rally.....

Yep, the same applies to PAP MPs.

Voters should not vote for PAP just because PAP do not want competition and do not want 1/3 Parliament to be Opposition.

Voters should send a signal to PAP to drop GRC scheme as too many undeserving PAP MPs have went into Parliament via this scheme.

GRC scheme corrodes the the quality of MPs.

The guy who took over scandalous Steve Tan last minute is a guy call Chia who never force to answer hard questions and face the public.

Whatever SM Goh said does not apply to Opposition because Opposition manage to attract private sector top talent without money , GRC and power.


http://singabloodypore.wordpress.com/2006/06/30/thoughts-on-the-sm-views-of-the-grc/


http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/yax-615.htm

Goh Chok Tong admits that GRCs are meant to skew

27 June 2006
Straits Times
GRCs make it easier to find top talent: SM

Without good chance of winning at polls, they might not be willing to risk careers for politics
By Li Xueying

Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong yesterday gave a new take on the role of Group Representation Constituencies (GRCs) in Singapore politics. Their role is not just to ensure minorities are adequately represented in Parliament, he said. They also contribute to Singapore's political stability, by 'helping us to recruit younger and capable candidates with the potential to become ministers'.

'Without some assurance of a good chance of winning at least their first election, many able and successful young Singaporeans may not risk their careers to join politics,' Mr Goh said at an event marking the appointment of members to the South East Community Development Council (CDC).

'Why should they when they are on the way up in the civil service, the SAF, and in the professions or the corporate world?'

But he was quick to add that GRCs themselves do not guarantee victory.

'A minister wins only because he has won the people's trust and the Government has delivered good results for the people. If a minister performed poorly, it could result in his losing the GRC to an opposing team with a strong leader,' he said, in what appears to be an oblique reference to comments made against GRCs in the general election held this May.

Since GRCs were introduced in 1988, critics and the opposition have attacked them, saying they allow rookie People's Action Party (PAP) candidates to get into Parliament on the coat tails of heavyweight candidates in their team.

Also, they do not lend themselves to a level playing field, they add, as the opposition struggles to find the specified minority-race candidates.

Mr Goh carried four new faces into Parliament in the six-man Marine Parade GRC team, which was unchallenged at the 2006 polls.

Altogether, the PAP had 24 new faces. One was Mr Teo Ser Luck, former general manager of courier company DHL and now Parliamentary Secretary (Community Development, Youth and Sports).

He acknowledges that for a rookie politician, being part of a team ensures that 'you have a bigger chance of winning'.

'If you're fighting individually, you go through a steep learning curve and you may not have enough time,' he added.

East Coast GRC MP Lee Yi Shyan, who left his job as chief executive officer of IE Singapore and is today Minister of State (Trade and Industry), concurred 'If the system can remove as many impediments as possible, then the political system will be able to get more people to join.'

But both told The Straits Times they would have entered politics even if they had been fielded in a single-seat ward. Said Mr Lee with a laugh 'You could say that I'm more confident of myself!'

In his speech, Mr Goh also stressed that the PAP's ability to attract capable individuals and its practice of political self-renewal were key to Singapore's success.


As if Lee Hsien Loong's remarks denigrating Australia were not enough to convince people how anti-democratic the Singapore government is, Senior Minister (and former PM) Goh Chok Tong has now provided more evidence.
In his latest speech, Goh said that one of the purposes of Group Representation Constituencies [1] (http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/yax-615.htm#foot1) was to help People's Action Party (PAP) candidates win election easily.

There! He has admitted it. The State and its electoral system have been corrupted to serve partisan ends.

Goh was quite brazen about it. He said that the role of GRCs was not just to ensure minorities are adequately represented -– a nearly 2-decades-old justification for GRCs. By doing so, he has conceded that for the last 2 decades, the PAP been less than truthful about their motives.

His logic was that the ends justify the means. The PAP wanted to put "younger and capable candidates" into Parliament, but they might not want to risk their careers to join politics. Solution? Remove risk. Change the electoral system.

Not only do we have a winner-takes-all effect in GRCs, in practice, every GRC team is led by a minister or political heavyweight and new candidates get into office by riding their coattails.

The arrogance displayed by such distortions to a democratic system that we inherited from the British may be bad enough, but now, there is the added arrogance of Goh saying to the effect that: Yes we distorted the system at the price of fairness, so what?

They are not even ashamed of themselves.

But why now? Why has Goh now admitted it?

I think this change in tack has to do with the realisation that pretending that the system has not been distorted no longer washes. That battle has been lost. Singaporeans, by a large majority, in my opinion, agree that GRCs are electorally unfair.

This explains Goh's new line of defence. So it's unfair, he says, but it's for Singapore's good, because it's the only way to get top talent into government. Singapore benefits, is his message.

* * * * *


The terrible danger lies in who gets to define talent, and how. Why is talent-spotting a closed-door affair conducted by the PAP, with the "stars" fast-tracked into ministerial office?

An equally acute question raised by Goh's statement is this: What constitutes talent? There is the suspicion, once we talk about "talent" in the singular, that it is measured on a kind of linear scale. Once it is seen as linear, there follows the tendency to determine "talent" by very selective measures.

A good example is the experience of IQ measurement. We now know that in fact it is a very narrow measure, and that it can't even measure things like kinetic intelligence, animal empathy or aesthetic sense, let alone other essential life skills such as the ability to get along with others and a sense of ethics.

Using IQ measures alone to choose the "best" would give one a very skewed sample. Some critical skills would likely be under-represented among the select.

Yet we also know from ecology that it is diversity that gives a community resilience. Unexpected changes can happen to the external environment and it can be the individual with previously under-rated skills who may hold the key to survival. Selection using a narrow set of determinants tend to result in great similarity among the selected, but ecology tells us, a colony of clones is the worst possible situation to find yourself in.

Is that what we're getting?

Consider this: if candidates win election because the playing field is tilted in their favour, how capable are they of convincing and moving people? And when adverse conditions hit Singapore and tough decisions or sacrifices need to be made, who is there with the skills to persuade and lead? Isn't that a "talent" that needs to be identified and tested?

How many Singaporeans identify with any of the PAP ministers and new MPs? What is the ratio of trust to cynicism?

If they have to be invited to serve, with green lights assured to be flashing all the way into Parliament House, with material perks to match, how much passion will these people have to stay and soldier on when things turn rough?

So what do we mean by "capable"?


* * * * *

The Straits Times interviewed 2 new MPs. Both added to justifications (rationalizations) for the GRC system. Teo Ser Luck said that a rookie politician would face a "steep learning curve and may not have enough time" if he had to stand for election on his own rather than be part of a team.

Interestingly, he didn't seem to question why a steep learning curve was so bad that it should be avoided by rigging the system.

Lee Yi Shyan said "If the system can remove as many impediments as possible, then the political system will be able to get more people to join."

If this is the quality of "talent", heaven help us! Lee does not seem to realize that he has just confused the "system" with the PAP. Get more people to join? Join who?

One can equally argue that the political system has made it more difficult for people to join, and that far from "removing impediments", it has thrown up barriers of entry to others who do not wish to be co-opted into the PAP.

Do we see groupthink here? And what is the difference between groupthink and being a colony of clones?


Please, someone prove me wrong. Dare I hope for even one PAP guy to stand up and say Goh was wrong and that his comments further damaged Singapore? Adding to political cynicism can't be good for our republic. If any PAP man or woman has any integrity left, he should come out of the closet and say it is wrong to distort the system thus, and that the wrong must be rectified. At once. http://www.yawningbread.org/images/bar_red.gif

© Yawning Bread

land118
29-04-11, 16:45
Vote Opposition! Vote for raiding Singapore's reserves! :D :D :D
Who is responsible for checking how much we have in our reserve? Do u know how much is in our National Reserve? I think every 5 years at least we need to know....if Temasek is not obliged to account or reveal, then PM, maybe not right as we vote our President to help all citizens to check., so how ? Every 5 years, check 1 time, cannot say we are asking for too much information?

I am sure each of us would at least know roughly how much we haven our personal bank accountant how many properties we owned at any 1 time, even if they are joint account or joint owners

wenqing
29-04-11, 16:46
Poor turnout at PAP’s first GE rally

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/poor-turnout-pap-first-ge-rally-184231332.html


http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/FtcX_EyCMHcGvqXZp7pETQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7dz02MzA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/singaporescene/600yahoo_paprally28.jpgCandidates (L-R) Gan Thiam Poh, Zainal Sapari, Penny Low, Teo Chee Hean, Teo Ser Luck and Janil Puthucheary. (Yahoo! …



If the outcome for this General Election (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/generalelections/) was based purely on rally attendances, the Opposition would win hands down.


An estimated 2,500 people, many of whom were hardcore party supporters, turned up for the People's Action Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=People%27s+Action+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz)'s (PAP) first rally for the 2011 General Election at the field beside Buangkok MRT station on Thursday evening.


That figure pales in comparison to the rallies for the Worker's Party in Hougang (estimated 20,000), in Geylang East for National Solidarity Party (estimated 5,000), in Clementi stadium for Reform Party (estimated 4,000) and near Commonwealth MRT for Singapore Democratic Party (estimated 3,000).

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/O_4aXhE0gbvS96atKoLXow--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7dz00MDA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/singaporescene/400yahoo_paprally28supporters.jpgSupporters there with flags and banners to support the PAP team. (Yahoo Photo/Marianne)


Present at the PAP rally were candidates contesting Pasir Ris-Punggol Group Representation Constituency (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Pasir+Ris-Punggol+Group+Representation+Constituency&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (GRC), Punggol East Single Member Constituency (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Punggol+East+Single+Member+Constituency&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (SMC) and Sengkang West SMC (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Sengkang+West+Single+Member+Constituency&fr=fp-today&cs=bz).


Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Teo+Chee+Hean&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) stumbled early on in his speech, after he wrongly addressed the audience as a "Siglap crowd." He quickly made amends and address his audience as from "Sengkang West".


On the topic of Singapore's cash reserves, DPM Teo -- who is leading the Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC team -- talked about the purpose of the reserve and how it helped Singaporeans tide over the financial downturn in the last five years.


"Now, however, the opposition parties seem to have forgotten why we need the reserves... and they now want to raid the reserves for all kinds of clever ideas," he said.



http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/hSaykAFlTPWO9cLpwOvNHA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7dz00MDA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/singaporescene/400yahoo_dpmteopaprally28.jpgDPM Teo challenged the opposition's intention of using cash reserves. (Yahoo! photo)


"To them, 60 billion dollars is small change," said the DPM before rhetorically asking the audience, "Do you know how many zeros there are in 60 billion? That to the government, is not small change."


Michael Palmer (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Michael+Palmer&fr=fp-today&cs=bz), the PAP candidate for Punggol East also impressed residents when he spoke fluent Mandarin.


"If you elect the PAP team for Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC, Punggol East SMC, the Pasir Ris Punggol Town Council (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Pasir+Ris+Punggol+Town+Council&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) will continue to see and manage the facilities of both Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC and the newly carved out Punggol East SMC," said the 43-year-old lawyer.


He also announced that he will be appointed the town council chairman if elected and this appointment would ensure a seamless continuation of service without interruptions or any transition periods.


Palmer also asked voters to think carefully about the three-cornered challenge posed by Desmond Lim (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Desmond+Lim+SDA+&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) from the Singapore Democratic Alliance (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Singapore+Democratic+Alliance+&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (SDA) and Workers' Party Lee Li Lian for Punggol East SMC.


"They have not worked the ground but appeared seven weeks before the Polling Day. Mr Lim said then (in 2006) that even if he did not win, he would continue to work the ground until the next election. After the election, we did not see Mr Lim for the next four-and-a-half years," said Palmer.



http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/4AjDZ0a1l2j6wnOXQDfwSA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7dz00MDA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/singaporescene/400yahoo_pennylowfans.jpgSupporters for Pasir Ris- Punggol East candidate Penny Wong. (Yahoo! photo)


Spotted in the crowd was former army chief and PAP candidate Chan Chun Sing (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Chan+Chun+Sing&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) whose Tanjong Pagar GRC was the only ward not contested. He was seen walking around alone surveying trying to gain a different perspective from his "backstage view".


"I would say that a majority of Singaporeans are very logical and considered people. To make you vote, people can say things to stir your emotions and those things said may not be of substance," he said.


A spectator who declined to be named told Yahoo! Singapore she was asked to attend the PAP rally to lend support.


When asked who her employer was, she said "PCF", referring to the PAP Community Foundation (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=PAP+Community+Foundation&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=) organization known for it's pre-school kindergartens.
A fair number of youths were also seen at the rally listening attentively to the various speeches.


Nan, a 22-year-old student, said she had been a resident around the area since she was born.


"I'm very excited about this election because of the opposition. I'm not very experienced though," said the first-time voter.


Related news


NSP's 'Stefanie Sun' takes centrestage (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/felt-stephanie-sun-came-stage-180444041.html)
3,000 turn up for Reform Party rally (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/rp-rally-turnout-trumps-league-attendance-183116747.html)
'Movie stars' of the GE (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/what-is-buzzing/tongue-cheek-photos-general-election-082000838.html)

ay123
29-04-11, 16:47
Vote Opposition! Vote for raiding Singapore's reserves! :D :D :D

yes yes........

VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH
VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH
VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH
VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH
VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH
VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH
VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH

eng81157
29-04-11, 16:49
Vote Opposition! Vote for raiding Singapore's reserves! :D :D :D

please, PAP is equally guilty of it or worse, had already actually committed the crime

land118
29-04-11, 16:52
yes

[/SIZE]VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH[/B]
VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH


If crash, many would jump in to buy some more, foreigners may also buy more....:D

wenqing
29-04-11, 16:56
Amazing GE Pictures


http://www.flickr.com/search/show/?q=singapore+general+elections&s=rec

wenqing
29-04-11, 16:59
Vote Opposition! Vote for raiding Singapore's reserves! :D :D :D

PAP already raiding reserves with all the 500 milion dollar plans for estate upgrading.

Be prepared for GST 10% to pay for all these.

wenqing
29-04-11, 17:00
yes yes........

VOTE OPPOSITION!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH
VOTEOPPOSITION!! VOTE FORPROPERTY CRASH
VOTEOPPOSITION!! VOTE FORPROPERTY CRASH
VOTEOPPOSITION!! VOTE FORPROPERTY CRASH
VOTEOPPOSITION!! VOTE FORPROPERTY CRASH
VOTEOPPOSITION!! VOTE FORPROPERTY CRASH
VOTEOPPOSITION!! VOTE FORPROPERTY CRASH


Fearmongering.

But it will be good news for my grandchildren who can afford to buy with their $3000 fresh graduate pay.

devilplate
29-04-11, 17:02
CRASH IS GOOD!!!!!!!!

RAID RESERVES IS GOOD!!!!!!!

300BILLION RESERVES PLENTY PLENTY!!! GOLDMINE CANNOT USE FINISH ONE LAH!!!

60BIL SMALL CHANGE....CAN LAST FOR 5YRS!!!! JUST ON TIME FOR NEXT ELECTION!!!!

DEN NEXT PARTY CAN CONTINUE TO SPEND AND SPEND....NEGATIVE BUDGET EVERY YR AND WHEN PPL QUESTION THEM....THEY SIMPLY SAY PREVIOUS PARTY SPEND IT....Y I CANNOT MEH?!?!

SPEND & SPEND!!!!! ABOLISH PAY & PAY!!!

just for laugh:D

devilplate
29-04-11, 17:03
PAP already raiding reserves with all the 500 milion dollar plans for estate upgrading.

Be prepared for GST 10% to pay for all these.

FEARMONGERING:hell-hath-no-fury:

ay123
29-04-11, 17:03
PAP already raiding reserves with all the 500 milion dollar plans for estate upgrading.

Be prepared for GST 10% to pay for all these.

aiyo...tharman already said no GST increase for 5 yrs. unless he is guniang and go back his word

ay123
29-04-11, 17:06
Amazing GE Pictures


http://www.flickr.com/search/show/?q=singapore+general+elections&s=rec

paste nicole seah lah.......we are more interested in her pics

land118
29-04-11, 17:08
CRASH IS GOOD!!!!!!!!

RAID RESERVES IS GOOD!!!!!!!

300BILLION RESERVES PLENTY PLENTY!!! GOLDMINE CANNOT USE FINISH ONE LAH!!!

60BIL SMALL CHANGE....CAN LAST FOR 5YRS!!!! JUST ON TIME FOR NEXT ELECTION!!!!

SPEND & SPEND!!!!! ABOLISH PAY & PAY!!!

just for laugh:D

Is our National Reserve= 100% Temasek portfolio value?

I just check Temasek annual 2010 report, portfolio value is S$186 bil only

http://www.temasekreport.com/2010/overview/year_in_review.html

Where to add up to $300bil? Other reserves elsewhere, not in Temasek?

devilplate
29-04-11, 17:09
Is our National Reserve= 100% Temasek portfolio value?

I just check Temasek annual 2010 report, portfolio value is S$186 bil only

http://www.temasekreport.com/2010/overview/year_in_review.html

Where to add up to $300bil? Other reserves elsewhere, not in Temasek?

to b frank i duno how much we haf...i just quote tat NSP guys figures....200-300bil...cud be more:beats-me-man:

wenqing
29-04-11, 17:10
aiyo...tharman already said no GST increase for 5 yrs. unless he is guniang and go back his word

Yeah but his boss PM Lee never give.

Besides , it is base on conditions only if cost of government did not rise and Budget spending did not rise.

Who controls cost of government and budget spending ?

PAP only.

devilplate
29-04-11, 17:12
Yeah but his boss PM Lee never give.

Besides , it is base on conditions only if cost of government did not rise and Budget spending did not rise.

Who controls cost of government and budget spending ?

PAP only.

yeah....vote for opposition!!!!!!!!!!!! vote for zero GST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ay123
29-04-11, 17:14
Is our National Reserve= 100% Temasek portfolio value?

I just check Temasek annual 2010 report, portfolio value is S$186 bil only

http://www.temasekreport.com/2010/overview/year_in_review.html

Where to add up to $300bil? Other reserves elsewhere, not in Temasek?
u forgot GIC

land118
29-04-11, 17:17
aiyo...tharman already said no GST increase for 5 yrs. unless he is guniang and go back his word
Tharman Shanmugaratnam is chairman of IMF board, have to respect what he say..., cannot u turn la..., if not next time when he speak on behalf of IMF, who will believe him?

Actually, since he is IMF chairman, we can borrow from IMF....either Temasek or Opposition raid until zero..., sure can borrow...:D

wenqing
29-04-11, 17:25
Tharman Shanmugaratnam is chairman of IMF board, have to respect what he say..., cannot u turn la..., if not next time when he speak on behalf of IMF, who will believe him?

Actually, since he is IMF chairman, we can borrow from IMF....either Temasek or Opposition raid until zero..., sure can borrow...:D

Tharman is not IMF Board Chairman.

He is a Chairman of an IMF Committee.

The previous Chairman of this committee is Finance Minister of ousted President Mubarak of Egypt.

So you can draw your own conclusions how important is this committee to IMF.

wenqing
29-04-11, 17:27
paste nicole seah lah.......we are more interested in her pics

Look carefully, there are Nicole Seah Pictures.

Go her FB and Hardwarezone, 3in1 Kopitiam, the onlinecitizen, the temasek review and Sammyboy for more.

wenqing
29-04-11, 17:30
aiyo...tharman already said no GST increase for 5 yrs. unless he is guniang and go back his word


http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?69586-Broken-Promises-from-2006-election



Broken Promises from 2006 election

wenqing
29-04-11, 17:32
Make it clear.

Opposition say only for first hand HDB flats for first time buyers, singles and low income.


Opposition also said PRs should not be able to buy HDB.

devilplate
29-04-11, 17:33
Opposition also said PRs should not be able to buy HDB.

which party?!

i vote for them!!!!!!!! LOL

HDB shdnt be allowed to sublet too!

the situation now: ppl continue to keep HDB after they bot a condo....move in to condo and rent out HDB.....if they not allow to keep HDB after buying pte ppty....more supply of resale flats!!!:hell-hath-no-fury:

condo rental go up or px go up NVM! make PR/foreigner pay for the high cost of living! singaporeans always got HDB to fall back on!!

agree? LOL:p

land118
29-04-11, 17:34
u forgot GIC
Ya, GIC, but their 2009/2010 report never state portfolio value.

http://www.gic.com.sg/data/pdf/GIC_Report_2010.pdf

Article below only say about s$100bil

http://www.ai-cio.com/channel/ASSET_ALLOCATION/GIC_Recoups_Losses,_Reveals_Emerging_Markets_Outperform.html

Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:49:43 AM
GIC Recoups Losses, Reveals Emerging Markets Outperform

The Government of Singapore Investment Corporation, manager of more than $100 billion of reserves, has released its annual report for the third year, revealing positive news: a recoup of most of the losses made in 2008 as stock markets rebounded.
(September 28, 2010) -- The Singapore state investment agency - the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation (GIC) - has recovered most of its losses caused by the 2008 financial crisis, and has said it will focus increasingly on emerging markets as they trump developed economies.

"…we expect high growth in the emerging economies to continue, with expanding domestic demand offsetting slower growth in export demand," group chief investment officer Ng Kok Song said in GIC's annual report.

Late Monday, the GIC, ranked as the world’s sixth-largest state investment company by Sovereign Wealth Fund Institute in California, revealed the average rate of return on its investments increased to 7.1% in US dollar terms in the year ending March, up from 5.7% the previous year. The fund revealed holdings in the US fell to 36% of its portfolio in the year ended March 31 from 38% the previous year.



TEMASEK + GIC=100% National Reserves ?

wenqing
29-04-11, 17:36
which party?!

i vote for them!!!!!!!! LOL

All parties.

PRs sell HDB for profit and return to their Indias, Indonesias, Phillipines,
Chinas, etc

HDB is a good plan but should be only for Singapore citizens.

Private Property logics, speculations and investments should not be applicable for HDB.

devilplate
29-04-11, 17:38
which party?!

i vote for them!!!!!!!! LOL

HDB shdnt be allowed to sublet too!

the situation now: ppl continue to keep HDB after they bot a condo....move in to condo and rent out HDB.....if they not allow to keep HDB after buying pte ppty....more supply of resale flats!!!:hell-hath-no-fury:

condo rental go up or px go up NVM! make PR/foreigner pay for the high cost of living! singaporeans always got HDB to fall back on!!

agree? LOL:p

existing HDB owners dun bash me if it really happen! :scared-2:

devilplate
29-04-11, 17:40
All parties.

PRs sell HDB for profit and return to their Indias, Indonesias, Phillipines,
Chinas, etc

HDB is a good plan but should be only for Singapore citizens.

Private Property logics, speculations and investments should not be applicable for HDB.

HDB shd only be bot for purely own stay!

not allowed to sublet!

can only sublet out rooms to supplement ur income and provided u continue to stay in it!

wenqing
29-04-11, 17:49
HDB shd only be bot for purely own stay!

not allowed to sublet!

can only sublet out rooms to supplement ur income and provided u continue to stay in it!

Agree.

HDB should be keep strictly as 'roof-over-head' concept and not compete with private properties as speculation, investments and asset enhancements.

If both private properties and HDB fall under same logic of investments and speculations, there will be no more houses affordable for first time buyers, singles, lower income and newly wed couples.

HDB value can grow but not faster than private properties.

What we have now is HDB prices on par with private properties.

We already have 1 million dollar HDB flats at Geylang, Bishan and Queenstown.

This is why I support WP conceptual Housing policy.

devilplate
29-04-11, 17:53
Agree.

HDB should be keep strictly as 'roof-over-head' concept and not compete with private properties as speculation, investments and asset enhancements.

If both private properties and HDB fall under same logic of investments and speculations, there will be no more houses affordable for first time buyers, singles, lower income and newly wed couples.

HDB value can grow but not faster than private properties.

What we have now is HDB prices on par with private properties.

We already have 1 million dollar HDB flats at Geylang, Bishan and Queenstown.

This is why I support WP conceptual Housing policy.

but cannot peg to median income(initially make sense to me...but nid a softer and gradual approach to protect existing home owners) or sell at cost+plus(which is highly flawed)

to be fair: if buy at cost+plus....den costs to build the whole estate shd be calculated into the whole package such as building of schools/infrastructure amd any other amenities....all share share

Allthepies
29-04-11, 18:03
but cannot peg to median income(initially make sense to me...but nid a softer and gradual approach to protect existing home owners) or sell at cost+plus(which is highly flawed)

to be fair: if buy at cost+plus....den costs to build the whole estate shd be calculated into the whole package such as building of schools/infrastructure amd any other amenities....all share share

hdb should provide 2 types of housing;

first type of housing to cater to the group of people who argue that they do not want to sell their roof, they want to stay forever (include our forumer wenqing here)
- price it dirt cheap
- MOP 30years
- after 30 years if they want to sell, can sell at market price but will be subjected to capital gain tax of 90% to deter them from selling since they have no intention to sell
- cannot be rented out since intention for own stay
- no enbloc
- no upgrading
- can never buy private until MOP expires

second type of housing will be the current normal HDB

now everybody will be happy =)

wenqing
29-04-11, 18:10
hdb should provide 2 types of housing;

first type of housing to cater to the group of people who argue that they do not want to sell their roof, they want to stay forever (include our forumer wenqing here)
- price it dirt cheap
- MOP 30years
- after 30 years if they want to sell, can sell at market price but will be subjected to capital gain tax of 90% to deter them from selling since they have no intention to sell
- cannot be rented out since intention for own stay
- no enbloc
- no upgrading
- can never buy private until MOP expires

second type of housing will be the current normal HDB

now everybody will be happy =)

PAP will never do it because it means earning less and reserves will grow less which means 'raid on reserves'.

devilplate
29-04-11, 18:11
hdb should provide 2 types of housing;

first type of housing to cater to the group of people who argue that they do not want to sell their roof, they want to stay forever (include our forumer wenqing here)
- price it dirt cheap
- MOP 30years
- after 30 years if they want to sell, can sell at market price but will be subjected to capital gain tax of 90% to deter them from selling since they have no intention to sell
- cannot be rented out since intention for own stay
- no enbloc
- no upgrading
- can never buy private until MOP expires

second type of housing will be the current normal HDB

now everybody will be happy =)

one leads to another.....it will create slumps.....no asset appreciation so to speak of....so dun bother to take care of ur own estate....leads to social problems....it will be similar to rental flat liao

no perfect policy....can nvr be one size fits all:(

devilplate
29-04-11, 18:13
PAP will never do it because it means earning less and reserves will grow less which means 'raid on reserves'.

left pocket in right pocket out mah

den implement more things to tax the rich lor:scared-2:

narrow down income gap....no extremme poor nor rich.....communist theory:hell-hath-no-fury:

haha,,,funny....endless debate

wenqing
29-04-11, 18:15
one leads to another.....it will create slumps.....no asset appreciation so to speak of....so dun bother to take care of ur own estate....leads to social problems....it will be similar to rental flat liao

no perfect policy....can nvr be one size fits all:(

At least HDB can begin with by not allowing PR to buy HDB and not upgrade every 5 years. Time is too short.

People think upgrade, MRT and shopping centres are like striking 4D.

It allows HDB owners to add a few hundred thousand more to HDB value which is insane.

In the end, all of us who earn some money from property will need to give it back to property via our children and grandchildren.

Nobody earns in the end, only government earns in this musical chairs.

wenqing
29-04-11, 18:16
left pocket in right pocket out mah

den implement more things to tax the rich lor:scared-2:

narrow down income gap....no extremme poor nor rich.....communist theory:hell-hath-no-fury:

haha,,,funny....endless debate

Your examples are too extreme and make not point.

Allthepies
29-04-11, 18:18
one leads to another.....it will create slumps.....no asset appreciation so to speak of....so dun bother to take care of ur own estate....leads to social problems....it will be similar to rental flat liao

no perfect policy....can nvr be one size fits all:(

tat why i propose the above 2 forms of housing.

first form u get it very cheaply but of course u also should not expect to benefit from the subsequent progress of our nation.

the second form u r participating in the nation progress but u pay market price with some subsidies.

singaporeans love to make their own decisions. they choose whichever form they want and the consequences will be binding on them. then they cannot blame the government for their own choice. :D

devilplate
29-04-11, 18:23
At least HDB can begin with by not allowing PR to buy HDB and not upgrade every 5 years. Time is too short.

People think upgrade, MRT and shopping centres are like striking 4D.

It allows HDB owners to add a few hundred thousand more to HDB value which is insane.

In the end, all of us who earn some money from property will need to give it back to property via our children and grandchildren.

Nobody earns in the end, only government earns in this musical chairs.

i truely agree on Not allowing PR to buy HDB....shd be purely for every citizen's entitlement....if resale px still spike up....den we goto blame ourselves for being greedy liao....ask high high COV:hell-hath-no-fury:

i suggested to impose an extra premium of let say 50k on PRs for them to buy HDB....:cheers6:

devilplate
29-04-11, 18:28
tat why i propose the above 2 forms of housing.

first form u get it very cheaply but of course u also should not expect to benefit from the subsequent progress of our nation.

the second form u r participating in the nation progress but u pay market price with some subsidies.

singaporeans love to make their own decisions. they choose whichever form they want and the consequences will be binding on them. then they cannot blame the government for their own choice. :D

but it may cause a more serious income gap rite?

poor ppl not entitled to grow together wif SG? forever stuck in the rat race?

Allthepies
29-04-11, 18:52
but it may cause a more serious income gap rite?

poor ppl not entitled to grow together wif SG? forever stuck in the rat race?

is their choice right? the poor can still buy the normal hdb if they choose to, just tat now they have the choice to go for the cheap, little debt option.

anyone think my policy can work? ha ha :D

Allthepies
29-04-11, 18:54
i truely agree on Not allowing PR to buy HDB....shd be purely for every citizen's entitlement....if resale px still spike up....den we goto blame ourselves for being greedy liao....ask high high COV:hell-hath-no-fury:

i suggested to impose an extra premium of let say 50k on PRs for them to buy HDB....:cheers6:

yup ban PR and allow all citizens to buy HDB. HDB should be the rights of all citizens, why restrict to those <$10k income and keep out private property owners? :D

wenqing
29-04-11, 20:59
WP supporters continue cheering long after the WP candidates have left the stage


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBd20_eDAbw&feature=related


Workers' Party Rally - 28 April 2011, Hougang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pZ7E5EgevM&feature=related

sh
29-04-11, 21:29
WP supporters continue cheering long after the WP candidates have left the stage


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBd20_eDAbw&feature=related


Workers' Party Rally - 28 April 2011, Hougang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pZ7E5EgevM&feature=related

Let's see if it's translated into votes. I have seem this in every election....

But the result has always been the same....:(

extremme
29-04-11, 21:32
Sdp proposes pay cuts for ministers and pledges 50% of their salary back to the people

Applaud applaud!!

devilplate
29-04-11, 21:37
Sdp proposes pay cuts for ministers and pledges 50% of their salary back to the people

Applaud applaud!!
Vote for ministerial paycut!

My salary cut by half! Vote for ur savings! ;)

extremme
29-04-11, 21:52
Indejit Singh "do you know what a first world parliament is ? I don't"

I think he should have just kept quiet

wenqing
29-04-11, 21:55
Indejit Singh "do you know what a first world parliament is ? I don't"

I think he should have just kept quiet

Haha this is a good one.

Just because he do not understand does not mean everyone do not understand.

extremme
29-04-11, 22:03
Yeah I'm reading the online citizens live updates about rallies there's pap and opposition some really make me laugh

Here is another good one
Cst" I am not a great man but I love Singapore"
My respect for him just went another notch higher

extremme
29-04-11, 22:13
If the driver doesn't work, change him after 5 years - pm

wenqing
29-04-11, 22:16
Yeah I'm reading the online citizens live updates about rallies there's pap and opposition some really make me laugh

Here is another good one
Cst" I am not a great man but I love Singapore"
My respect for him just went another notch higher

Yep, he wants to contribute to Opposition and Singapore by breaking a GRC wall before he retires.

land118
29-04-11, 22:19
Father say to Tanjong Pagar: " I will look after you for the next 5 years", now son say:

GE: "We'll take care of all of you", says PM Lee
By Imelda Saad | Posted: 29 April 2011 2152 hrs
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PM Lee Hsien Loong http://www.channelnewsasia.com/images/shim.gifSpecial Report http://www.channelnewsasia.com/images/shim.gif•Vote 2011 (http://www.ge.sg/)


SINGAPORE: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said this election is about voting for the party that can serve Singaporeans best.

In his first rally speech on Friday night in Ang Mo Kio constituency, PM Lee said the National Wages Council recommendations released on Friday for "higher total wages" for Singaporeans show that despite the last five tumultuous years, Singapore is doing well.

Mr Lee assured Singaporeans that the government will take care of all Singaporeans, including the low- and middle-income group.

He dealt squarely with the issues which the Opposition has picked on, such as the cost of living, and the affordability of housing.

"Everyone (is) feeling the pinch of the cost of living because energy prices go up, electricity prices go up and it's not cheap compared to last year, even more, compared to two or three years ago.

"We have a 'Grow & Share' package this year to address these problems and to help Singaporeans.

"For example, to help with the utilities bills, we have more U-Save this year, we have more S&CC rebates this year.

"In fact, the U-save for some households should be enough to pay for five months of utilities bills so if you are careful, it can go a long way.

Mr Lee promised that HDB flats will be kept affordable, especially for young couples.

But he also added the government needs to safeguard the value of current HDB flats and enhance them.

"The reality is, we will promise you that if you are buying a flat from the HDB, we will keep the prices affordable, because we building flats for Singaporeans and we want Singaporeans to be able to own that flat," Mr Lee said.

"And we will make sure Singaporeans can afford these flats."

-CNA/wk

extremme
29-04-11, 22:19
Pm - good news. The NWC suggested today higher wages for workers

DC33_2008
29-04-11, 22:22
Look who are in the NWC. All PAPs.
Pm - good news. The NWC suggested today higher wages for workers

devilplate
29-04-11, 22:53
zimbabwe aso a 1st world parliament?!?!?!?!:scared-1:

wenqing
29-04-11, 23:34
Father say to Tanjong Pagar: " I will look after you for the next 5 years", now son say:

GE: "We'll take care of all of you", says PM Lee
By Imelda Saad | Posted: 29 April 2011 2152 hrs
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PM Lee Hsien Loong http://www.channelnewsasia.com/images/shim.gifSpecial Report http://www.channelnewsasia.com/images/shim.gif•Vote 2011 (http://www.ge.sg/)


SINGAPORE: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said this election is about voting for the party that can serve Singaporeans best.

In his first rally speech on Friday night in Ang Mo Kio constituency, PM Lee said the National Wages Council recommendations released on Friday for "higher total wages" for Singaporeans show that despite the last five tumultuous years, Singapore is doing well.

Mr Lee assured Singaporeans that the government will take care of all Singaporeans, including the low- and middle-income group.

He dealt squarely with the issues which the Opposition has picked on, such as the cost of living, and the affordability of housing.

"Everyone (is) feeling the pinch of the cost of living because energy prices go up, electricity prices go up and it's not cheap compared to last year, even more, compared to two or three years ago.

"We have a 'Grow & Share' package this year to address these problems and to help Singaporeans.

"For example, to help with the utilities bills, we have more U-Save this year, we have more S&CC rebates this year.

"In fact, the U-save for some households should be enough to pay for five months of utilities bills so if you are careful, it can go a long way.

Mr Lee promised that HDB flats will be kept affordable, especially for young couples.

But he also added the government needs to safeguard the value of current HDB flats and enhance them.

"The reality is, we will promise you that if you are buying a flat from the HDB, we will keep the prices affordable, because we building flats for Singaporeans and we want Singaporeans to be able to own that flat," Mr Lee said.

"And we will make sure Singaporeans can afford these flats."

-CNA/wk

PAP and PM Lee said the same thing in GE 2006 and but the opposite happen last 5 years.

Why does Father & Son and Holy PAP need to say such things if PAP HAD BEEN taking care of Singaporeans last 5 years ??

devilplate
29-04-11, 23:38
PAP and PM Lee said the same thing in GE 2006 and but the opposite happen last 5 years.

Why does Father & Son and Holy PAP need to say such things if PAP HAD BEEN taking care of Singaporeans last 5 years ??

dun say anything better....all keep quiet....
sssshhhhh
silence is golden:D :spliff:

Geylang OKT
30-04-11, 00:09
SINGAPORE: Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has urged the voters of Aljunied GRC to exercise their vote carefully in the 7 May General Election.

This is because a wrong choice would mean they lose a strong team of office holders and ground parliamentarians. Mr Lee was speaking to the media after a visit to Tampines Central on Friday night.

Mr Lee's visit there was to support Mr Heng Swee Keat, PAP's new candidate in the Tampines GRC slate.

Mr Heng was once Minister Mentor Lee's principal private secretary during his career in the civil service. His last post before leaving for politics was as the managing director of the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS).

Mr Lee said: "He is the man who saw Singapore through the financial crisis and we recovered faster than other countries, but he's a potential Minister for Finance or Minister for Trade and Industry and we've got to have people like that in reserve."

So Mr Lee's advice to all voters and in particular those in Aljunied GRC is to look at the track record of the candidates and the programmes they have for the constituency.

"During election time, all claims are made recklessly, but they are simplistic. Election rallies' slogans sell," he warned.

The Minister Mentor urged Aljunied GRC's voters to compare the property prices of their GRC with those in the neighbouring Hougang division, an opposition stronghold.

He said they would realise the prices are not the same. "You have the wrong government, you have your property prices go right down," he said.

Minister Mentor Lee went on to say: "If you are in Aljunied, ask yourself: do you want one MP, one non-constituency MP, one celebrity, two unknowns, to look after you? Or, have two ministers, one Speaker of Parliament, one very good ground worker (Ong Ye Kung) and Cynthia Phua to look after the place?

"What will happen to your property values and your own comfort, the drains and mosquitoes and so on in the five years? You have this celebrity, he has been away 30 years, he comes back, how does he connect with us?

"It may well happen. If they win, in which case, the people of Aljunied live with the results. The only way people learn is when they have to pay a price."

.....

devilplate
30-04-11, 00:18
vote for more mozzies!!!:D

westman
30-04-11, 00:20
dun say anything better....all keep quiet....
sssshhhhh
silence is golden:D :spliff:

Very agreed!
The more PAP hears about it, the more they will offer to help, the more we have to pay for these additional helps and cares...

shhhhh... stay low and pretend nothing happened..... shhh.. quiet pleases

wenqing
30-04-11, 00:44
SINGAPORE: Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has urged the voters of Aljunied GRC to exercise their vote carefully in the 7 May General Election.

This is because a wrong choice would mean they lose a strong team of office holders and ground parliamentarians. Mr Lee was speaking to the media after a visit to Tampines Central on Friday night.

Mr Lee's visit there was to support Mr Heng Swee Keat, PAP's new candidate in the Tampines GRC slate.

Mr Heng was once Minister Mentor Lee's principal private secretary during his career in the civil service. His last post before leaving for politics was as the managing director of the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS).

Mr Lee said: "He is the man who saw Singapore through the financial crisis and we recovered faster than other countries, but he's a potential Minister for Finance or Minister for Trade and Industry and we've got to have people like that in reserve."

So Mr Lee's advice to all voters and in particular those in Aljunied GRC is to look at the track record of the candidates and the programmes they have for the constituency.

"During election time, all claims are made recklessly, but they are simplistic. Election rallies' slogans sell," he warned.

The Minister Mentor urged Aljunied GRC's voters to compare the property prices of their GRC with those in the neighbouring Hougang division, an opposition stronghold.

He said they would realise the prices are not the same. "You have the wrong government, you have your property prices go right down," he said.

Minister Mentor Lee went on to say: "If you are in Aljunied, ask yourself: do you want one MP, one non-constituency MP, one celebrity, two unknowns, to look after you? Or, have two ministers, one Speaker of Parliament, one very good ground worker (Ong Ye Kung) and Cynthia Phua to look after the place?

"What will happen to your property values and your own comfort, the drains and mosquitoes and so on in the five years? You have this celebrity, he has been away 30 years, he comes back, how does he connect with us?

"It may well happen. If they win, in which case, the people of Aljunied live with the results. The only way people learn is when they have to pay a price."

.....

Same old threats and fearmongering from typical LKY.

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

devilplate
30-04-11, 00:55
Same old threats and fearmongering from typical LKY.

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

how convenient to use the word fearmongering:D

wenqing
30-04-11, 01:28
WP's Png Eng Huat at Aljunied GRC rally


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFFv7hT1Pzc&feature=player_embedded


WP's Low Thia Khiang at Aljunied GRC rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TlLhHCJf_s&feature=player_embedded

wenqing
30-04-11, 01:29
WP's Sylvia Lim at Aljunied GRC rally


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXN39bPVwcQ&feature=player_embedded#at=20


WP's Chen Show Mao at Aljunied GRC rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FNx_DTcwbY&feature=player_embedded

wenqing
30-04-11, 02:03
WP Rally Photos


http://www.flickr.com/photos/blogist/sets/72157626608032652/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blogist/sets/72157626608032652/show/)

DaytonaSS
30-04-11, 02:32
Same old threats and fearmongering from typical LKY.

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

same old accusation from typical Wq.

wenqing
30-04-11, 02:44
same old accusation from typical Wq.


What accusations ?

Gerrymandering?

Most of it are base on facts but MM Lee is base on assumptions.

There is a difference.

Regulators
30-04-11, 03:48
i hear the desperate voices of teo ser luck and teo chee hean, really kanna sai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ljzIdevQk&feature=related).

wenqing
30-04-11, 03:55
Nicole Seah - "I Believe"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb06VDWF1KQ&feature=player_embedded#at=275

wenqing
30-04-11, 03:56
GE: [GPGT] Rally Attendance Compiled


http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3211650

wenqing
30-04-11, 04:04
TOC speaks to a member of the audience at PAP rally who was ferried from the Community Centre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ9fHdAi6rQ&feature=player_embedded

Elderly audience at PAP rally leaving on chartered buses


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU5FDvvBUdc

Regulators
30-04-11, 04:18
Nicole Seah vs Tin Peiling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvmLrd42jyk

wenqing
30-04-11, 04:20
Nicole Seah vs Tin Peiling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvmLrd42jyk


You should see WP's Png Eng Huat's speech, he is the new found star of WP.

Regulators
30-04-11, 04:32
The worker's party rally turnout really puts PAP's rally to shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFFv7hT1Pzc

wenqing
30-04-11, 04:38
Opposition party movie posters UP AH !!!!!

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3202265

wenqing
30-04-11, 04:43
Party Political Broadcast: WP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RLnTV3Iups&feature=related


Party Political Broadcast: NSP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYBQEhUdz4&feature=related


Party Political Broadcast: SDP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdTBZJBUTOE&feature=related

wenqing
30-04-11, 04:44
Party Political Broadcast: RP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGRdXJfQXE&feature=related


Party Political Broadcast: SPP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJQcCBm1fbM&feature=related

wenqing
30-04-11, 06:33
http://singaporeelection.blogspot.com/2011/04/paps-lui-tuck-yew-reeks-of-arrogance.html (http://singaporeelection.blogspot.com/2011/04/paps-lui-tuck-yew-reeks-of-arrogance.html)


PAP's Lui Tuck Yew Reeks of Arrogance and Stupidity





Even after we nailed him (http://singaporeelection.blogspot.com/2011/04/paps-lui-tuck-yew-not-connecting-with.html) 400,000 times, Mr Miyagi nailed him (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/mp-visit-condo-102111528.html), PAP's Lui Tuck Yew is still not humbled.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=67hZVnc7QxM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=67hZVnc7QxM)


Why on earth do people listen to Lui Tuck Yew?

The amount of Stupid and Lies that spew forth out of that trap of PAP regime is so unbelievable at time, it almost seems like an act. Unfortunately it’s real life for Lui Tuck Yew, here are some examples:


"When I bought my HDB flat in 1986, after living in a rental flat for 25 years, it was S$110,000. Nine years after that, in the mid-90's, I sold it for close to about S$400,000.

The people of my generation who invested in HDB flats benefited, and the only reason we did so is because we had a strong and stable government that led us forward day by day, month by month, and year by year."

Mr Lui, how about all the housing loans that eat up all our CPF funds (http://singaporeelection.blogspot.com/2011/04/pap-will-help-you-eat-up-all-your-cpf.html)?


"The villagers asked, 'Are these mushrooms any good? They are so pretty. Shall we remove some of these tall trees and allow the wild mushrooms to grow?'

And so the wise old man told them that these mushrooms may look pretty but some of them are poisonous, and 'if you associate too closely with them, these wild mushrooms will weaken us, stunt our growth, and retard our development. Leave them alone, protect the trees, these trees are special trees'."

Lui's stupidity is so epic.

wenqing
30-04-11, 06:35
Some Interesting Photos at WP Rally at Serangoon Stadium 29/04/2011

http://www.darrensoh.com/elections/290411/wp_serangoon_290411_003.jpg

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3211631&page=2

wenqing
30-04-11, 06:44
Teo Ser Luck at People's Action Party's first rally

Poor speech skills and exposing the weaknesses of GRC systems inducting poor candidates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ljzIdevQk

wenqing
30-04-11, 06:54
Worker's Party Rally


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.10150166438288655.303688.520788654

westman
30-04-11, 10:21
Proof of RC ferrying residents to "Support" PAP rally , dinner provided as well


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ9fHdAi6rQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU5FDvvBUdc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

ay123
30-04-11, 10:37
Same old threats and fearmongering from typical LKY.

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

if i am him i will make sure aljunied pay a price and face the consequence for change. war is never fair

ay123
30-04-11, 10:38
anyone know how is china govt operating?? do they also have opp?

Geylang OKT
30-04-11, 10:42
if i am him i will make sure aljunied pay a price and face the consequence for change. war is never fair


Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices! :D :D :D

chiaberry
30-04-11, 10:46
Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices! :D :D :D

Eh you can vote for E*ection not Election OK? Better for your business.

Geylang OKT
30-04-11, 10:47
Eh you can vote for E*ection not Election OK? Better for your business.

Not true! If got cheaper property prices then they can spend more $$$ on my young and pretty chicken mei meis!

Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices! :D :D :D

ay123
30-04-11, 10:49
VOTE OPPOSITION!!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH!!


VOTE OPPOSITION!!! VOTE FOR RAID OF RESERVE

Geylang OKT
30-04-11, 10:51
VOTE OPPOSITION!!! VOTE FOR PROPERTY CRASH!!


VOTE OPPOSITION!!! VOTE FOR RAID OF RESERVE

:D :D :D :D :D

westman
30-04-11, 10:52
if i am him i will make sure aljunied pay a price and face the consequence for change. war is never fair

Can aljunies residents don't pay taxes?
As a matter if fact, I really hope PAP does it... The harsher the better.

Best:
-Install ERP for all roads connecting to ALJ GRC
-Cut all funding for HDB
-ALJ GRC Residents pay triple amount of taxes than fellow Singaporean
-Increase Hawkers stall rental there...
-ambulance take donkey time to reach....
...
...
...

Why can't PAP adopt "以德服人"?

best: 攻心为上,攻城为下。

ay123
30-04-11, 10:56
Can aljunies residents don't pay taxes?
As a matter if fact, I really hope PAP does it... The harsher the better.

Best:
-Install ERP for all roads connecting to ALJ GRC
-Cut all funding for HDB
-ALJ GRC Residents pay triple amount of taxes than fellow Singaporean
-Increase Hawkers stall rental there...
-ambulance take donkey time to reach....
...
...
...

Why can't PAP adopt "以德服人"?

best: 攻心为上,攻城为下。

DID GEORGE YEO DIDNT DO A GOOD JOB??? he is one of the good minister, he lose, we lose one good minister. is it good to have one good minister to exchange for a voice in parliament???

westman
30-04-11, 10:59
DID GEORGE YEO DIDNT DO A GOOD JOB??? he is one of the good minister, he lose, we lose one good minister. is it good to have one good minister to exchange for a voice in parliament???

Bro, Did you just mentioned war is never fair?
Do you agree voting "yes" to casino is a good man? Please define what is good.

Common, don't like that leh... Double standard.

ay123
30-04-11, 11:06
Bro, Did you just mentioned war is never far?
Do you agree voting "yes" to casino is a good man? Please define what is good.

Common, don't like that leh... Double standard.

do u agree casino help spore economy? w/o casino ppl also gamble underground. w/o geylang ppl also go "gio guay" right. so make it legal and control than let it run wild

my "good" is he does his work well to be honest there is no so call good politician. anyone enter politics must be cunning. impt is result

westman
30-04-11, 11:18
do u agree casino help spore economy? w/o casino ppl also gamble underground. w/o geylang ppl also go "gio guay" right. so make it legal and control than let it run wild

my "good" is he does his work well to be honest there is no so call good politician. anyone enter politics must be cunning. impt is result

For one, I disagree with Casino.
-A colleague divorced her husband after 20years of marriage due yo casino debt.
-A childhood friend of mine run into gambling problem at MBS, i help to pay his kid's education fee every months via passing money to his wife (which accidentally my wife kindergarten's classmate)
-there are many more social problems then you actually tot.

As for. Benefits.. Hmm.. Was told decision to go with casino aids job creation The hard truth, jobs go to FT instead. Dun't believe? Go there to take a look to draw your own conclusion.

As for GY, he is from City Harvest, rite?
Going back on your believe for casino, rite meh?

DC33_2008
30-04-11, 11:21
Politics are never clean. Everyone behind in the party has to tow the line. Look at those who do not tow will have to go as you can see with former Pres Ong (no state funeral) and some MPs this round.
do u agree casino help spore economy? w/o casino ppl also gamble underground. w/o geylang ppl also go "gio guay" right. so make it legal and control than let it run wild

my "good" is he does his work well to be honest there is no so call good politician. anyone enter politics must be cunning. impt is result

devilplate
30-04-11, 12:16
For one, I disagree with Casino.
-A colleague divorced her husband after 20years of marriage due yo casino debt.
-A childhood friend of mine run into gambling problem at MBS, i help to pay his kid's education fee every months via passing money to his wife (which accidentally my wife kindergarten's classmate)
-there are many more social problems then you actually tot.

As for. Benefits.. Hmm.. Was told decision to go with casino aids job creation The hard truth, jobs go to FT instead. Dun't believe? Go there to take a look to draw your own conclusion.

As for GY, he is from City Harvest, rite?
Going back on your believe for casino, rite meh?

oi bro....

casino is everywhr....

4D/toto so convenient too

many retirees still continue their wkly or mthly trip to genting casino.....they hiam $100 or 2k entry fee expensive....

does it really make a difference to hf casinoes in SG?

i totally do not pity those gamblers.....

not just casinoes....shall we also ban ppl from frying forex? stocks?

so u want govt to force us to contribute more into CPF? oredi force ppl to buy into annuity after retirement age....u want more?

one side say govt sxxxx......lock up our CPF $$....pls dun treat us like kids as if we do not noe how to manage our own cpf $$.....den govt let u withdraw all...some go ntuc jackpot....frequent genting.....so HOW?!?!?!

devilplate
30-04-11, 12:20
very easy to shoot question!

why pay and pay....y GST....y COE....y ERP.....y geylang OKT? ops...hehe

Regulators
30-04-11, 12:22
Vote opposition and vote for first world parliament. Vote pap and continue to be bullied for another 5years with higher cost of living, higher taxes, marginalisation of singaporeans through foreign immigration policies.

Regulators
30-04-11, 12:27
vote pap medical bills will continue to escalate and we will all become medical tourists in other countries or even sell your properties to pay for medical bills

ay123
30-04-11, 12:34
by voting opp....
1) cost of living will come down?
2) GST will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?

wow opp will be a superman if all the above come true.....i will definitely vote them in.

westman
30-04-11, 12:39
oi bro....

casino is everywhr....

4D/toto so convenient too

many retirees still continue their wkly or mthly trip to genting casino.....they hiam $100 or 2k entry fee expensive....

does it really make a difference to hf casinoes in SG?

i totally do not pity those gamblers.....

not just casinoes....shall we also ban ppl from frying forex? stocks?

so u want govt to force us to contribute more into CPF? oredi force ppl to buy into annuity after retirement age....u want more?

one side say govt sxxxx......lock up our CPF $$....pls dun treat us like kids as if we do not noe how to manage our own cpf $$.....den govt let u withdraw all...some go ntuc jackpot....frequent genting.....so HOW?!?!?!

Bro, you have hit the jackpot on my behalf and you have brought quite a handful for me to answer....:p

For gambling,
1) Who own Singapore Pool?
2) Who push for Casino?

Yes, I don't pity gamblers as they have their part to blame.
However, can you dismissed the fact that Garment also need to be scrutinise too?

Which is nearer? Going to Genting or going to MBS/Sentosa?
The logic goes with condo near MRT loh...
When you bring it closer, more will go and with more to go, how?

For Gambling vs Investing (CPF???)
I think it would be very challenging to argue with the claim that investing is a good thing. Commonly, investing is widely regarded as the engine that drives capitalism and greed. It tends to put money in the hands of those with the most promising and productive uses for it, and drives the economy gradually upward. Investors aren't merely betting on which companies will succeed, they're providing the capital those companies need to accomplish their goals.

Gambling, on the other hand, tend to brings with it well-documented unpleasant side effects. I'll leave it up to the forumer members here to decide whether gambling is, on the balance, a plus or a minus. Looking to the financial markets, it's not difficult to observe one could make the case that people who gamble in this realm often hope to strike rich in a fast and furious manners.

The questions of whether gambling is morally wrong and how strictly it should be regulated are important. I have no problem with a person being morally opposed to gambling, as long as that person knows exactly what he/she means by 'gambling' or investing in CPF. However, by turning to Sins Industry such as Casinoes opening up in Singapore, it give me the feeling that PAP has run out of ideals what to bring Singaporeans forward.

DC33_2008
30-04-11, 12:41
It is not possible to achieve all these with any parties. They will need a balance of all these.
by voting opp....
1) cost of living will come down?
2) GST will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?

wow opp will be a superman if all the above come true.....i will definitely vote them in.

devilplate
30-04-11, 12:45
westman...u making too much assumptions liao

i like to go to casino.....i frequent genting last time....den stop and jumpship to macau bcoz more casinoes there....haha

i visited both mbs/genting sg, visited once for both....tats it....and i still continue wif my frequent macau trip;)

near is not always better....not bcoz there r only 2 casinoes there....but just dun hf the feel to gamble there.....i feel silly to gamble at our own casino.....but dun hf tat feeling when i was at macau and in fact feel vy shiok to gamble in macau.....dun ask me y? i aso duno y! hahahahaa

westman
30-04-11, 12:59
by voting opp....
1) cost of living will come down?
2) GST will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?

wow opp will be a superman if all the above come true.....i will definitely vote them in.

Bro ay123, thanks for bring this up.;)
Thanks for making my job easier to bring across my points...:D :D

1) Cost of living will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
Thanks to MBT's land policies. See what happened to industrial/commercial land sales now... Industrial land bidding hitting 500~600 psf. Do you think that is good for Singapore?

Don't you know this will push up business costs (fixed costs) for company operating in Singapore? Assuming all factors being equal and constant(labour costs and variable costs), what would happened to costs of living?

Then when the costs of living goes up, what can we lesser mortal do then?

Ask yourself, are we financially ready to shoulder current land costs and hosuing price bor? Remember, housing price will need to be backup by income.

With business costs goes up and assuming incomes need to raise to meet high costs of living. Do you think Singapore can be competitive in global competition? Hope now you understand why garment keep surpressing our income growth and also PAP turns to sins industry....

2) GST will come down?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?
Thaman just said we are financially sound, thus a little cut back to help us during this hard time, can bor?

Also, since we are financially able now, a small cut make a long way for poor can bor?

westman
30-04-11, 13:01
westman...u making too much assumptions liao

i like to go to casino.....i frequent genting last time....den stop and jumpship to macau bcoz more casinoes there....haha

i visited both mbs/genting sg, visited once for both....tats it....and i still continue wif my frequent macau trip;)

near is not always better....not bcoz there r only 2 casinoes there....but just dun hf the feel to gamble there.....i feel silly to gamble at our own casino.....but dun hf tat feeling when i was at macau and in fact feel vy shiok to gamble in macau.....dun ask me y? i aso duno y! hahahahaa

Bro, that is not assumptions wor but cold hard fact.
Problem is, most of us pretend it does not exist at all. I'm very sad with this...:o

Regulators
30-04-11, 13:04
It makes no sense for government to advocate thrift, hardwrk and prudence and have the govt build a casino for people to squander away their hard earned money. All that talk about helping problem gamblers blar blar blar is just so fake[/LIST]
westman...u making too much assumptions liao

i like to go to casino.....i frequent genting last time....den stop and jumpship to macau bcoz more casinoes there....haha

i visited both mbs/genting sg, visited once for both....tats it....and i still continue wif my frequent macau trip;)

near is not always better....not bcoz there r only 2 casinoes there....but just dun hf the feel to gamble there.....i feel silly to gamble at our own casino.....but dun hf tat feeling when i was at macau and in fact feel vy shiok to gamble in macau.....dun ask me y? i aso duno y! hahahahaa

land118
30-04-11, 13:11
Bro, that is not assumptions wor but cold hard fact.
Problem is, most of us pretend it does not exist at all. I'm very sad with this...:o
Personally, if the government is genuine about protecting the citizens and just tapping on foreign gamblers, it should NOT be a self exclusion policy like now to enter casinos but a OPT IN policy for citizens. Like this, only those who genuinely want to gamble, will take the trouble to opt in. We can also have a opt in period, after this period, to go again, citizen need to apply again. Can have various form to opt in, online also can since it is social, perhaps we may be going with families also to enter Universal Studios. After all, most of us do visit Genting once a year, or once every half a year, not much trouble for us to opt in. But for true gamblers, really want to gamble, then surely they can buy yearly pass or apply for opt in and specify period. But by opting in, it does sent a Further clearer message that government try to find additional ways to protect citizens....and not encourage gambling

westman
30-04-11, 13:19
Personally, if the government is genuine about protecting the citizens and just tapping on foreign gamblers, it should NOT be a self exclusion policy like now to enter casinos but a OPT IN policy for citizens. Like this, only those who genuine want to gamble, will take the trouble to opt in. We can also have a opt in period, after this period, to go again, citizen need to apply again. Can have various form to opt in, online also can since it is social, perhaps we may be going with families also to enter Universal Studios. After all, most of us do visit Genting once a year, or once every half a year, not much trouble for us to opt in. But for true gamblers, really want to gamble, then surely they can buy yearly pass or apply for opt in and specify period. But by opting in, it does sent a Further clearer message that government try to find additional ways to protect citizens....and not encourage gambling

IMHO, building two casinoes are like allowing brothels opening in your condo project. MC would claimed these brothels helps to reduced monthly maintenance costs (for sure lah, rental income mah). AFter letting in, many husbands start visiting these brothels while. Wife cannot tahan and start complaining to MC. MC threatened that if without brothels, maintenance costs would goes up!

We will be FIXED by then...

devilplate
30-04-11, 13:38
funny la...

1st world parliament blah blah....comparing SG with 1st world countries blah blah.....many many 1st world countries got casinoes too....

ppl only like to see and tok abt the stuff tat support their beliefs and ideas to make themselves feel gd.....when comes to election....opposition supporters only pin point bad stuff and mistakes.....

the list goes on....nid i say more? everyone pls do a self reflection of urself....we r no saint/holy/god....and so pls dun pretend to be one

ay123
30-04-11, 13:47
IMHO, building two casinoes are like allowing brothels opening in your condo project. MC would claimed these brothels helps to reduced monthly maintenance costs (for sure lah, rental income mah). AFter letting in, many husbands start visiting these brothels while. Wife cannot tahan and start complaining to MC. MC threatened that if without brothels, maintenance costs would goes up!

We will be FIXED by then...

the world is changing. if we continue to be a frog staying in the well and don allow this don allow that.......we will die like a frog
u want to be world class but do things like 3rd world......cannot accept change :doh:
don forget we are so tiny and fragile, the more we must be brave enough to accept change. u cannot accept casino that bring economy growth to the country but can acccept opp not knowing what can they deliver?? really contradicting :doh:

teddybear
30-04-11, 13:52
Let's face it! Everyone does the same tactics including PAP, in other countries too...remember the video case about the oppn candidate...n many other cases...

Could anyone recall who started with 1st world government first? Was it the justification of high salary? then oppns come up with 1st world parliament! Lol!

I don't understand why oppns used it n you felt strongly against it but not with the other party?

Hahaha....a bit skew..



funny la...

1st world parliament blah blah....comparing SG with 1st world countries blah blah.....many many 1st world countries got casinoes too....

ppl only like to see and tok abt the stuff tat support their beliefs and ideas to make themselves feel gd.....when comes to election....opposition supporters only pin point bad stuff and mistakes.....

the list goes on....nid i say more? everyone pls do a self reflection of urself....we r no saint/holy/god....and so pls dun pretend to be one

Regulators
30-04-11, 14:00
We were first world before the irs came into the picture. Making money from vice very easy but repairing the social fabric after damage is done takes a long time
the world is changing. if we continue to be a frog staying in the well and don allow this don allow that.......we will die like a frog
u want to be world class but do things like 3rd world......cannot accept change :doh:
don forget we are so tiny and fragile, the more we must be brave enough to accept change. u cannot accept casino that bring economy growth to the country but can acccept opp not knowing what can they deliver?? really contradicting :doh:

devilplate
30-04-11, 14:15
Let's face it! Everyone does the same tactics including PAP, in other countries too...remember the video case about the oppn candidate...n many other cases...

Could anyone recall who started with 1st world government first? Was it the justification of high salary? then oppns come up with 1st world parliament! Lol!

I don't understand why oppns used it n you felt strongly against it but not with the other party?

Hahaha....a bit skew..

i said b4 too....i feel underpriviledge when i serve fuxxking 2.5yrs NS and yet must wait till 35yo den can buy HDB whereas PR couples can happily buy one anytime they wish.....

NS is set up for gd cause of our country.....but wif saddist/losers managing it.....it become a CHORE to many singaporeans......how many ppl these days serve NS with pride?

i can list out so many many bad stuff and unhappiness about my life in SG so far.....but when i travel more.....i see more.....den i felt my unhappiness is just so so childish and minor.....

oh ya, i totally want to see a revision on our minister pay!!!

devilplate
30-04-11, 14:20
We were first world before the irs came into the picture. Making money from vice very easy but repairing the social fabric after damage is done takes a long time

ya la....all dun drive better.....use green energy.....y build coal plants.....

all damaging our mother earth!!!! tsunami.....more frequent earthquakes.....rising temperature.....rising sea level.....

we all SINNERS....and so pls dun pretend tat u r not.....

y build buildings.....commercialisation.....chemical plants???? to satisfy wat????

nvrending when toking about moral values....

westman
30-04-11, 14:26
the world is changing. if we continue to be a frog staying in the well and don allow this don allow that.......we will die like a frog
u want to be world class but do things like 3rd world......cannot accept change :doh:
don forget we are so tiny and fragile, the more we must be brave enough to accept change. u cannot accept casino that bring economy growth to the country but can acccept opp not knowing what can they deliver?? really contradicting :doh:

Can you list what have you been benefiting from casino that bring economy growth to the country.

westman
30-04-11, 14:29
Bro ay123, thanks for bring this up.;)
Thanks for making my job easier to bring across my points...:D :D

1) Cost of living will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
Thanks to MBT's land policies. See what happened to industrial/commercial land sales now... Industrial land bidding hitting 500~600 psf. Do you think that is good for Singapore?

Don't you know this will push up business costs (fixed costs) for company operating in Singapore? Assuming all factors being equal and constant(labour costs and variable costs), what would happened to costs of living?

Then when the costs of living goes up, what can we lesser mortal do then?

Ask yourself, are we financially ready to shoulder current land costs and hosuing price bor? Remember, housing price will need to be backup by income.

With business costs goes up and assuming incomes need to raise to meet high costs of living. Do you think Singapore can be competitive in global competition? Hope now you understand why garment keep surpressing our income growth and also PAP turns to sins industry....

2) GST will come down?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?
Thaman just said we are financially sound, thus a little cut back to help us during this hard time, can bor?

Also, since we are financially able now, a small cut make a long way for poor can bor?

AY1234, what your take on this?

DaytonaSS
30-04-11, 14:30
For one, I disagree with Casino.
-A colleague divorced her husband after 20years of marriage due yo casino debt.
-A childhood friend of mine run into gambling problem at MBS, i help to pay his kid's education fee every months via passing money to his wife (which accidentally my wife kindergarten's classmate)
-there are many more social problems then you actually tot.

As for. Benefits.. Hmm.. Was told decision to go with casino aids job creation The hard truth, jobs go to FT instead. Dun't believe? Go there to take a look to draw your own conclusion.

As for GY, he is from City Harvest, rite?
Going back on your believe for casino, rite meh?

bro , u blame the govt for a man whom failed his family? i also go casino, i also lose $$$. If he is a MAN, admit he bring his own downfall. He ownself pay $100 and walk into the casino. PAP already tell singaporeans the casino is not meant for them, dont go. Govt didnt create social problem. Its the gamblers who create it.

u think about it..... those pple choose it. they dont lose their fortune in 1 time. Its a decision over a period to continue to go gambling.

PPle lose $$$ on stock market, can they blame govt open stock brokage?
PPle kanna ***ual diease, can they blame govt legalize geylang? OKT dont shoot me pls.

ay123
30-04-11, 14:30
Can you list what have you been benefiting from casino that bring economy growth to the country.

isnt part of growth package come from casino contribution. isnt the lower income receive more

devilplate
30-04-11, 14:34
Can you list what have you been benefiting from casino that bring economy growth to the country.

jobs and growth.....

attracts more foreign investments.....it pushes SG brand up to a new level

more foreign investment-->more monies flowing in-->more coy setting up-->more jobs

casino improves service sector.....tourism booms.....but not just tat.....ppty booms.....construction booms.....furniture biz booms....taxis boomss.....jobs booms.....many more.....VICE biz aso BOOM.....geylang OKT super HUAT!!! hahaha

i just list out some.....i am sure they r many more tangible and intangible benefits
tink along tat train of tots....casino does bring growth and branding to SG....

of coz, all these benefits dun comes for free.....it create social problems and unrest like wat westman bro had dutifully pointed out....

its all about striking a balance;)

i am not saying PAP r perfect.....but i support the idea of opening up of 2 IRs:D

Regulators
30-04-11, 14:34
What has keeping the earth green got to do with social fabric? I am not standing on any moral high ground but a govt has to take that into consideration all the time. Many people get involved in vice discreetly but to openly promote vice by the govt is a different matter. We can get access to pornography on the internet all the time, but does it mean it is ok for national tv to broadcast pornography after midnight or even on a pay per view basis on cable tv?
ya la....all dun drive better.....use green energy.....y build coal plants.....

all damaging our mother earth!!!! tsunami.....more frequent earthquakes.....rising temperature.....rising sea level.....

we all SINNERS....and so pls dun pretend tat u r not.....

y build buildings.....commercialisation.....chemical plants???? to satisfy wat????

nvrending when toking about moral values....

westman
30-04-11, 14:38
jobs and growth.....

attracts more foreign investments.....it pushes SG brand up to a new level

more foreign investment-->more monies flowing in-->more coy setting up-->more jobs

casino improves service sector.....tourism booms.....but not just tat.....ppty booms.....construction booms.....furniture biz booms....taxis boomss.....jobs booms.....many more.....VICE biz aso BOOM.....geylang OKT super HUAT!!! hahaha

i just list out some.....i am sure they r many more tangible and intangible benefits
tink along tat train of tots....casino does bring growth and branding to SG....

of coz, all these benefits dun comes for free.....it create social problems and unrest like wat westman bro had dutifully pointed out....

its all about striking a balance;)

i am not saying PAP r perfect.....but i support the idea of opening up of 2 IRs:D

Bro, what I mean was : Direct Benefit to HIM only...

For me, I don't seem to enjoy any. Worst, need to helps a friend from his gambling habbit.

As for more jobs, garment dare not to state very clearly how many jobs goes to singaporeans.

According to reports garment said "60% goes to Singaporeans/Residents, 40% foreign Talents".. if really got 60% to Singaporeans, says lah. Think why they dare not to say the % to singaporeans.

Also, take a look at most hospitality industry players, almost all employed great number of foreigners... Job goes to Singaporeans meh?

The hard truth is, so long there is a cheap alternative avail such as FT, Singaporeans will be left behind....

devilplate
30-04-11, 14:41
What has keeping the earth green got to do with social fabric? I am not standing on any moral high ground but a govt has to take that into consideration all the time. Many people get involved in vice discreetly but to openly promote vice by the govt is a different matter. We can get access to pornography on the internet all the time, but does it mean it is ok for national tv to broadcast pornography after midnight or even on a pay per view basis on cable tv?

ok....u tok better...i not gd at expressing....so tats y u dun understand wat i am trying to convey.....but doesnt matter....i am just a devilplate;) :D

stl67
30-04-11, 14:41
i said b4 too....i feel underpriviledge when i serve fuxxking 2.5yrs NS and yet must wait till 35yo den can buy HDB whereas PR couples can happily buy one anytime they wish.....

NS is set up for gd cause of our country.....but wif saddist/losers managing it.....it become a CHORE to many singaporeans......how many ppl these days serve NS with pride?

I can list out so many many bad stuff and unhappiness about my life in SG so far.....but when i travel more.....i see more.....den i felt my unhappiness is just so so childish and minor.....

oh ya, i totally want to see a revision on our minister pay!!!

Haha...This really sound familiar. I was once a typical grumpy unappreciative
Singaporean. Travelling around really makes me think twice the next time I KPKB
on government policies.

devilplate
30-04-11, 14:42
Bro, what I mean was : Direct Benefit to HIM only...

For me, I don't seem to enjoy any. Worst, need to helps a friend from his gambling habbit.

Question..

haiz....u nid to really SLAP ur fren right on his face and wake up him

losers only blame others other den themselves!

ysyap
30-04-11, 14:46
The hard truth is, so long there is a cheap alternative avail such as FT, Singaporeans will be left behind.... FT will take over Singaporean's job. So Singaporeans will sleep on the street or at best stay inside HDB (but prices are getting out of reach le for HDB) while FT stay in condos and bungalows... :doh: Towards a first world government...

westman
30-04-11, 14:46
haiz....u nid to really SLAP ur fren right on his face and wake up him

losers only blame others other den themselves!


Paiseh bro, Kind to elaborate more on this? Dun't really get you.

Regulators said "Many people get involved in vice discreetly but to openly promote vice by the govt is a different matter. We can get access to pornography on the internet all the time, but does it mean it is ok for national tv to broadcast pornography after midnight or even on a pay per view basis on cable tv?"

read left, read right, read up, read down cannot link what does it got to do with your replied "losers only blame others other den themselves!"

amk
30-04-11, 14:53
U r willing to vote for someone just to satisfy his glory of the "last fight" ? :cool:

U r willing to vote for some clowns who talked big just to spite the PAP ? :cool:

"first world parliament " ? U know things like this are supposed to be bestowed upon, not self proclaimed ? By having some one with unknown capability to talk loud in parliament u achieve 1st world parliament ? By whose standard, urs ?

This election is complete wayang. U r supposed to vote for the person who is capable. Not to vote just to "let me ask question for you" !

westman
30-04-11, 15:00
U r willing to vote for someone just to satisfy his glory of the "last fight" ? :cool:

U r willing to vote for some clowns who talked big just to spite the PAP ? :cool:

"first world parliament " ? U know things like this are supposed to be bestowed upon, not self proclaimed ? By having some one with unknown capability to talk loud in parliament u achieve 1st world parliament ? By whose standard, urs ?

This election is complete wayang. U r supposed to vote for the person who is capable. Not to vote just to "let me ask question for you" !

Since you are convinced it is a waste of time to election, than why waste time to run election?:confused:

I figured that even when PAP produced shit and they are thick skin enough to tell you that is rose, you would probably agreed and you can give praise that "that shit" not only just looks like rose and it smell like rose too.

ay123
30-04-11, 15:02
U r willing to vote for someone just to satisfy his glory of the "last fight" ? :cool:

U r willing to vote for some clowns who talked big just to spite the PAP ? :cool:

"first world parliament " ? U know things like this are supposed to be bestowed upon, not self proclaimed ? By having some one with unknown capability to talk loud in parliament u achieve 1st world parliament ? By whose standard, urs ?

This election is complete wayang. U r supposed to vote for the person who is capable. Not to vote just to "let me ask question for you" !

agree. i always vote for capable team tat bring result and not a "why" team. there is no one policy tat satisfy all. we cannot operate jus on the ground level. we should aim far and tackle near. as long the team can produce, PAP or Opp is jus a brand!!! is very easy to stir public anger from the ground but is never easy to satisfy them

westman
30-04-11, 15:05
agree. i always vote for capable team tat bring result and not a "why" team. there is no one policy tat satisfy all. we cannot operate jus on the ground level. we should aim far and tackle near. as long the team can produce, PAP or Opp is jus a brand!!! is very easy to stir public anger from the ground but is never easy to satisfy them

Bro, I'm still awaiting for your response leh...;)

ay123
30-04-11, 15:05
Since you are convinced it is a waste of time to election, than why waste time to run election?:confused:

I figured that even when PAP produced shit and they are thick skin enough to tell you that is rose, you would probably agreed and you can give praise that "that shit" not only just looks like rose and it smell like rose too.

definitely every voter USE THEIR BRAIN before they cast their vote. if someone cannot even tell the different between shit and rose he/she is gone case!

westman
30-04-11, 15:07
BTW, let debate during this GE period only hor.

After this business as usual for condo/property topics. can?:)

amk
30-04-11, 15:11
Westman i sensed u r offended. Pls dun. I dun like everything pap either. I only like capable ppl running the country. As of now, under pap umbrella u. Do have clowns too, but u also have good guys, who are critical to run the job. Under the oppo camp, unfortunately majority are clowns, with just few stars. Oppo knows this situation very well, that's why they are not rallying along their capability. They are all rallying along the line of " vote me to spite pap". I'm totally disgusted.

Just give u an idea, i will readily vote for Sylvia lim, who is far more intelligent and capable than LTK, who is just an ah beng who talks big. Pap camp, u have shamugen who really knows what's going on in this world, i.e. nothing is fair, and we are nobody. Before making any demand to do this raise that, think of real economic consequences.

ay123
30-04-11, 15:12
Bro ay123, thanks for bring this up.;)
Thanks for making my job easier to bring across my points...:D :D

1) Cost of living will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
Thanks to MBT's land policies. See what happened to industrial/commercial land sales now... Industrial land bidding hitting 500~600 psf. Do you think that is good for Singapore?

Don't you know this will push up business costs (fixed costs) for company operating in Singapore? Assuming all factors being equal and constant(labour costs and variable costs), what would happened to costs of living?

Then when the costs of living goes up, what can we lesser mortal do then?

Ask yourself, are we financially ready to shoulder current land costs and hosuing price bor? Remember, housing price will need to be backup by income.

With business costs goes up and assuming incomes need to raise to meet high costs of living. Do you think Singapore can be competitive in global competition? Hope now you understand why garment keep surpressing our income growth and also PAP turns to sins industry....

2) GST will come down?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?
Thaman just said we are financially sound, thus a little cut back to help us during this hard time, can bor?

Also, since we are financially able now, a small cut make a long way for poor can bor?

wat mbt said is right. how can govt interfere and set a cap in land cost. a cheaper land purchase does not equate to low selling price/rental. it voice down to demand/supply and economy performance. is mkt driven. high living cost definitely is a issue. so my question is with the Opp in, are they able to resolve this? their solution is only to give more freebie to the lower income. tats all and where the $ come from?? reserve!!!:simmering:

westman
30-04-11, 15:14
definitely every voter USE THEIR BRAIN before they cast their vote. if someone cannot even tell the different between shit and rose he/she is gone case!

Fully support this point.
Every voter has some value to look at and it's that dynamic nature that make everyone unique.

That why I just now asked you "High land costs for industrial/commercial land good for SIngapore all thanks to MBT's policies.."...

This topic has severe impact to our labour costs/incomes.... If one land costs is high, it will either bring down competitive advantages, bring up costs of living, bring down jobs rate to Singaporeans as business need to stay relevant to costs else they will move out of Singapore.

Now, we are at all time high now... what next? Ship already leave harbour and there is no turning back until we reach the next shore...:o

westman
30-04-11, 15:17
wat mbt said is right. how can govt interfere and set a cap in land cost. a cheaper land purchase does not equate to low selling price/rental. it voice down to demand/supply and economy performance. is mkt driven. high living cost definitely is a issue. so my question is with the Opp in, are they able to resolve this? their solution is only to give more freebie to the lower income. tats all and where the $ come from?? reserve!!!:simmering:

Can agree no cap. But LHl has to decide how to help SG to stay competitive in global market. Land costs up! Costs of living will be up too. Then when costs of living goes up, it's natural that we start to ask for more incomes. When we asked, Garment said "we got to be careful with that else foreign investors will run away.."

So, we are in the fixed position now. neither here or there.

ay123
30-04-11, 15:19
BTW, let debate during this GE period only hor.

After this business as usual for condo/property topics. can?:)

bro...election debate always get heated up is mainly becos we do concern abt the country becos is ours. but different ppl have different perspective. we can argue if not agree to each view but importantly we must be gentlemen enuf to not to stoop to name calling. :D

Regulators
30-04-11, 16:00
I sincerely hope to have more opposition in parliament not bcox I want lky's legacy to end, I just feel things are very lopsided in policy making and I am against the way pap us steering the medical industry. We are all going to be medical tourists one day which is the making of our government. Do we want to continue fueling the arrogance of psp and their utter disregard for what ppl say? Wherein lies the harm of having more opposition in parliament if all the opposition can do is to fight for the common good of singaporeans and not let our voices be alienated. Very soon singaporens will also become a minority and citizenship becomes meaningless.

azeoprop
30-04-11, 16:01
BTW, let debate during this GE period only hor.

After this business as usual for condo/property topics. can?:)

Starbuys for that capitaland bishan plot?
"developers shall be punished" by MBT :rolleyes:

azeoprop
30-04-11, 16:07
I sincerely hope to have more opposition in parliament not bcox I want lky's legacy to end, I just feel things are very lopsided in policy making and I am against the way pap us steering the medical industry. We are all going to be medical tourists one day which is the making of our government. Do we want to continue fueling the arrogance of psp and their utter disregard for what ppl say? Wherein lies the harm of having more opposition in parliament if all the opposition can do is to fight for the common good of singaporeans and not let our voices be alienated. Very soon singaporens will also become a minority and citizenship becomes meaningless.

Actually last time after the 1991 elections, SDP won 3 seats and had the chance to grow...but their internal conflicts destroyed the party. :doh:

romeo
30-04-11, 16:36
if i am him i will make sure aljunied pay a price and face the consequence for change. war is never fair

pay what price, may i ask? they, along w every sgporeans have been paying alot already, what else more u want them to pay?

hey wait, weren't u the one who naively thought parilament need 51% nay votes to stop a bill from passing.. instead of the traditional 1/3..

devilplate
30-04-11, 18:16
Paiseh bro, Kind to elaborate more on this? Dun't really get you.

Regulators said "Many people get involved in vice discreetly but to openly promote vice by the govt is a different matter. We can get access to pornography on the internet all the time, but does it mean it is ok for national tv to broadcast pornography after midnight or even on a pay per view basis on cable tv?"

read left, read right, read up, read down cannot link what does it got to do with your replied "losers only blame others other den themselves!"

i am refering to ur gambling addict fren....lose $$ lose family and blame govt blame LUCK blame everything except themselves:doh:

hope ur fren learnt his lesson and lets move on:cheers6:

devilplate
30-04-11, 18:21
pay what price, may i ask? they, along w every sgporeans have been paying alot already, what else more u want them to pay?

hey wait, weren't u the one who naively thought parilament need 51% nay votes to stop a bill from passing.. instead of the traditional 1/3..

pay $1 and zero return....LOL

or u want pay $1 still can some returns? LOL

cannot say govt give $1 take back $2 or more la...

every country facing same problems....

if minister r paid much much lower of let say <100k.....r we gona be more forgiving? higher level of tolerance?:beats-me-man:

so greed and $ is the root cause:hell-hath-no-fury:

ministers just nid to donate half of their pay to the poor and needy? will this solve the unhappiness? is tat so simple?:beats-me-man:

DC33_2008
30-04-11, 19:01
I thought Ministers/MPs have to be paid sufficiently to ensure their families are well taken care of and they can focus in serving the country well.
pay $1 and zero return....LOL

or u want pay $1 still can some returns? LOL

cannot say govt give $1 take back $2 or more la...

every country facing same problems....

if minister r paid much much lower of let say <100k.....r we gona be more forgiving? higher level of tolerance?:beats-me-man:

so greed and $ is the root cause:hell-hath-no-fury:

ministers just nid to donate half of their pay to the poor and needy? will this solve the unhappiness? is tat so simple?:beats-me-man:

romeo
30-04-11, 19:34
u mean serving their pte companies full-time first, den their ward/grc part-time?

romeo
30-04-11, 19:35
i am refering to ur gambling addict fren....lose $$ lose family and blame govt blame LUCK blame everything except themselves:doh:

hope ur fren learnt his lesson and lets move on:cheers6:

yup, it's his honest mistake, let's move on:D

wenqing
30-04-11, 22:32
U r willing to vote for someone just to satisfy his glory of the "last fight" ? :cool:

U r willing to vote for some clowns who talked big just to spite the PAP ? :cool:

"first world parliament " ? U know things like this are supposed to be bestowed upon, not self proclaimed ? By having some one with unknown capability to talk loud in parliament u achieve 1st world parliament ? By whose standard, urs ?

This election is complete wayang. U r supposed to vote for the person who is capable. Not to vote just to "let me ask question for you" !

Your statement reminds me of LKY and PAP when they were Opposition.

But your definition of Opposition is really too simplistic and lame.

Your statement sounds more like for PAP.

This is why Singaporeans will be voting Opposition this time round.

wenqing
30-04-11, 22:35
if i am him i will make sure aljunied pay a price and face the consequence for change. war is never fair

This is not war, this is elections.

We replace underperforming government lawmakers the peaceful way, not the violent way which was why elections system was drawn up.

Your statement is very divisive.

In other first world elections, this type of statement will be a scandal and cause PAP to lose many votes.

Singaporeans is more cultured than this.

wenqing
30-04-11, 22:39
DID GEORGE YEO DIDNT DO A GOOD JOB??? he is one of the good minister, he lose, we lose one good minister. is it good to have one good minister to exchange for a voice in parliament???

What way has he make Singaporeans lives better ?

As the most expensive and maybe most powerful Foreign Minister in the world, he cannot even make the Romanian Ambassador Dr Silviu to return to Singapore to answer justice.

What is happening now is just a wayang Romanian trial which have no conclusion and justice not served in a clear cut case.

wenqing
30-04-11, 22:41
by voting opp....
1) cost of living will come down?
2) GST will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?

wow opp will be a superman if all the above come true.....i will definitely vote them in.

There is no track record and no evidence Opposition cannot pressure or do it themselves.

Nobody knows what Opposition PAP and LKY can do until they elected them in right ?

Your question has no answer.

wenqing
30-04-11, 22:48
For one, I disagree with Casino.
-A colleague divorced her husband after 20years of marriage due yo casino debt.
-A childhood friend of mine run into gambling problem at MBS, i help to pay his kid's education fee every months via passing money to his wife (which accidentally my wife kindergarten's classmate)
-there are many more social problems then you actually tot.

As for. Benefits.. Hmm.. Was told decision to go with casino aids job creation The hard truth, jobs go to FT instead. Dun't believe? Go there to take a look to draw your own conclusion.

As for GY, he is from City Harvest, rite?
Going back on your believe for casino, rite meh?

Didnt this casino thing make Minister Lim Boon Heng cried on TV ??

He acknowledge the social problems but think it far below the issue of job creation.

Next in line will be Porn and Alcohol industries.

Last time, gamblers go Genting or Cruise Ships to gamble maximum a few days and losses are limited.

Today, gamblers can go casinos everyday by MRT, Bus and Taxi to gamble at their doorstep until families are broken, suicides happen, jobs are lost, bankruptcies happen, divorces happen etc.


Even if we do not gamble, there is no guarantee that our childrena and grandchildren will not gamble too. Then problems start.

You do not need million dollar talent to tender out casinos and as a solution to create jobs. Even WP can do that.

If PAP is really talented and extraordinary as MM Lee said, they should have invented other methods of job creation instead of copy and paste from Las Vegas and Macau.

PAP had gone down the immoral path.

amk
30-04-11, 22:48
Dude when LKY was opposition he did not cry out loud and ask ppl to vote for him to spite the other side.

Dun even mention the quality of the majority of the oppositions. I dun even consider a quarter of PAP guys as competent. But ur opposition is worse. Only 2 are considered worthy, and they are not your hero LTK and CST!

Anyway it's pointless to quarrel with you. Until the day u come clean and understand what's going on in the GIC deal. U r totally biased on everything PAP. U dun understand a thing abt economy and financials. U r simply full of anger, and just want to kick PAP ass at whatever means.

amk
30-04-11, 22:49
(duplicated)

amk
30-04-11, 22:52
As the most expensive and maybe most powerful Foreign Minister in the world, he cannot even make the Romanian Ambassador Dr Silviu to return to Singapore to answer justice.

What is happening now is just a wayang Romanian trial which have no conclusion and justice not served in a clear cut case.

U really had no clue abt the world. U think spore such a big deal huh ?

wenqing
30-04-11, 23:02
Dude when LKY was opposition he did not cry out loud and ask ppl to vote for him to spite the other side.

Dun even mention the quality of the majority of the oppositions. I dun even consider a quarter of PAP guys as competent. But ur opposition is worse. Only 2 are considered worthy, and they are not your hero LTK and CST!

Anyway it's pointless to quarrel with you. Until the day u come clean and understand what's going on in the GIC deal. U r totally biased on everything PAP. U dun understand a thing abt economy and financials. U r simply full of anger, and just want to kick PAP ass at whatever means.

With so many government scholars in Opposition and top people from Private Sector in Opposition for this election, you only recognise this CST and LTK ??

You sure are behind times and need extra long time to absorb information.

LKY when Opposition use to call Lim Yew Hock government as oppressors and unfair and call Straits Times prostitutes. You can google Gayle Goh's blog or Opposition LKY speeches.

I am a retiree and whatever I know about GIC deal, I already copied and pasted for you.

I already pasted articles at other thread GIC made some token profit at Financial Crisis 2009 but the media said overall they made losses.

So maybe you can enlighten us whether media is right ot not.

Is total up gain or loss ?

As for Opposition or PAP, everyone is guilty of being supporter and being blind like those PAP supporters from Grassroots and NTUC.

In a multi-party electoral system like Singapores, of course you are expected to take sides unless you are a vote spoiler.

Nothing wrong with taking sides during elections cause you are expected to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125418236117447877.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Singapore's GIC Suffers $41.6 Billion Loss

SINGAPORE – Government of Singapore Investment Corp. suffered a loss of about 59 billion Singapore dollars (US$41.60 billion) in the fiscal year ended March 31, making it one of the worst years for the sovereign wealth fund since it was started in 1981, people familiar with the situation said Tuesday.

One person said GIC's portfolio currently stands at around S$265 billion after drops in equity investments and property valuations. GIC, which doesn't disclose the value of its portfolio or amounts of yearly gains or losses, said in its annual report that its portfolio lost more than 20% in value in ...

ysyap
30-04-11, 23:02
I thought Ministers/MPs have to be paid sufficiently to ensure their families are well taken care of and they can focus in serving the country well.Taxi drivers also must be paid sufficiently to ensure their families are well taken care of so they can concentrate on the roads and not knock down any innocent padestrian crossing the road!!! Teachers must also be paid sufficiently to ensure their families are well taken care of so they can focus on teaching our next generation not only academic knowledge but moral and civic obligations too. What about MRT operators who ferry 200 000 communters daily? :rolleyes:

wenqing
30-04-11, 23:06
U really had no clue abt the world. U think spore such a big deal huh ?

Tell that to PAP and their boasts especially during times like Minister Pay Hike and elections.

You should take note PAP quotes.

I thought I was voting for Gods and Goddesses.

:p :p :p

wenqing
30-04-11, 23:16
juz now channel 8 news got a guy say "i wait for u very long riao" to LTK

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3213091 (http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3213091)

GE: WP receives warm welcome during walkabouts in Aljunied GRC


http://www.ge.sg/video/#top (http://www.ge.sg/video/#top)

wenqing
30-04-11, 23:19
Guys,

Try to keep this thread strictly for Election Youtubes, Rallies, Photos and Videos.

I do not want this thread crowded too fast.

Keep election discussions to thread 'Please post any Election News/Snippets/ Gossips here'


http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=11131

Thanks

ysyap
30-04-11, 23:21
WP is threatening the biggest upset that MM also must come out and pull votes for George Yeo.... :tsk-tsk:
If WP is 'A' company, LTK is like OC, Sylvia Lim (SL) is like section leader (SL) and Chen SM (CSM) is like company sergeant major (CSM) lor... How not to win??? :cheers1:

wenqing
30-04-11, 23:22
Proof of RC ferrying residents to "Support" PAP rally , dinner provided as well


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ9fHdAi6rQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU5FDvvBUdc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

PAP had to resort to such gimmicks to show popularity and their support is really sad.

PAP is really living in their own dream world.

amk
30-04-11, 23:25
Wenqing, let's for the moment assume what u posted abt urself is true, that u r retired, and only acquire knowledge through google.

1st abt LTK and CST. Did u actually read my post ? I said there are 2 I considered worthy, and they are NOT these 2. I read through carefully all your opposition candidates. Scholar this and that means nothing to me ok ? I seen enough in my line.

2nd one more time abt this GIC Citi deal. It made a significant profit. Period. Simple as that. Half of it even realized, whereas th other half kept as strategic investment. Before u blindly attack GIC , u should give credit when it's due. And since u r retired, u may not be updated on the financial market, so please do not read google headlines and interpret that as fact. A financial instrument is mark to market on its value. This value is not fixed, depending ur horizon or strategic interest, u made ur move to realize it. GIC's move on Citi was brilliant. Obviously the same cannot be said abt the UBS deal. The thing is, u cannot blanket attack everything. Same for PAP.

3rd abt LKY as opposition. Nothing wrong with being opposition. The diff is, LKY did not beg for pp.'s sympathy and use that to get vote. Current opposition does. That's why current opposition annoys me. It's begging me to give them a chance. U want my vote, but u r not showing me what you know, what you plan to do. You keep on harping "vote me so I can check on PAP". Well it may work for u, but not for me.

wenqing
30-04-11, 23:37
Wenqing, let's for the moment assume what u posted abt urself is true, that u r retired, and only acquire knowledge through google.

1st abt LTK and CST. Did u actually read my post ? I said there are 2 I considered worthy, and they are NOT these 2. I read through carefully all your opposition candidates. Scholar this and that means nothing to me ok ? I seen enough in my line.

2nd one more time abt this GIC Citi deal. It made a significant profit. Period. Simple as that. Half of it even realized, whereas th other half kept as strategic investment. Before u blindly attack GIC , u should give credit when it's due. And since u r retired, u may not be updated on the financial market, so please do not read google headlines and interpret that as fact. A financial instrument is mark to market on its value. This value is not fixed, depending ur horizon or strategic interest, u made ur move to realize it. GIC's move on Citi was brilliant. Obviously the same cannot be said abt the UBS deal. The thing is, u cannot blanket attack everything. Same for PAP.

3rd abt LKY as opposition. Nothing wrong with being opposition. The diff is, LKY did not beg for pp.'s sympathy and use that to get vote. Current opposition does. That's why current opposition annoys me. It's begging me to give them a chance. U want my vote, but u r not showing me what you know, what you plan to do. You keep on harping "vote me so I can check on PAP". Well it may work for u, but not for me.

You sure PAP as Opposition did not beg for sympathy votes at those times ?

But now is even worse, using threats and fearmongering to canvass votes.


Did not Sitoh Yi Pin and Desmond Choo ask for chance to be MP too at Potong Pasir and Hougang too ?

Is this sympathy votes ? Sitoh said he is just underdog and ask for a chance.

You should read their quotes.

Did Opposition go around asking for sympathy votes, how come old and new media never imply anywhere.

Did PAP show any plans for next 5 years via 13 page manifesto ?

I know what WP stands for in their 60 page manifesto , did you read before lumping Opposition together ?

Did you bother to read about Opposition and go rallies to understand before making general outdated statements about Opposition ?


I think Opposition is the strongest ever this election when ONLY ONE GRC manage a walkover.

You do not care enough to read so cannot blame people for knowing more about Opposition and supporting Opposition.

Since you look down on Scholars , I bet you look down on many Ministers capabilities too.

Yep, I know nothing about the EXACT details about Citi deal and like everyone else we can only gather the news from Media.

You can write in to the media and say their reports are wrong.

Even I agree with you Citi is a good deal but overall what is gain and loss which nobody can answer.

1 good deal and 2 bad deals means still bad result.

DC33_2008
30-04-11, 23:42
You are absolutely right. How much is enough for MP and Minister? Are we paying them too much? Do we really need so many MPs? Some of them may be just wayang only.
Taxi drivers also must be paid sufficiently to ensure their families are well taken care of so they can concentrate on the roads and not knock down any innocent padestrian crossing the road!!! Teachers must also be paid sufficiently to ensure their families are well taken care of so they can focus on teaching our next generation not only academic knowledge but moral and civic obligations too. What about MRT operators who ferry 200 000 communters daily? :rolleyes:

5577
30-04-11, 23:42
Chill people!:)

Share some laughter.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=6m90V81OWDw

Regulators
30-04-11, 23:42
Very simple, it is either you check on them or the current slate of opposition check on pap. If you don't want to check, then someone else has to do it, this is what parliament is all about. The current slate of opposition has come up with a credible team to check on the pap's policies in parliament, so just let the opposition do their job in parliament, what is wrong with that? WKS has failed to increase birth rate in singapore, meted out poor immigration policies and producing a less than impressive track record during his 5 terms in parliament, but why isn't he sacked just like any ceo would be in the corporate sector since his salary is pegged to private sector? Don't even need the mas selamat incident to highlight his inconsistencies
Wenqing, let's for the moment assume what u posted abt urself is true, that u r retired, and only acquire knowledge through google.

1st abt LTK and CST. Did u actually read my post ? I said there are 2 I considered worthy, and they are NOT these 2. I read through carefully all your opposition candidates. Scholar this and that means nothing to me ok ? I seen enough in my line.

2nd one more time abt this GIC Citi deal. It made a significant profit. Period. Simple as that. Half of it even realized, whereas th other half kept as strategic investment. Before u blindly attack GIC , u should give credit when it's due. And since u r retired, u may not be updated on the financial market, so please do not read google headlines and interpret that as fact. A financial instrument is mark to market on its value. This value is not fixed, depending ur horizon or strategic interest, u made ur move to realize it. GIC's move on Citi was brilliant. Obviously the same cannot be said abt the UBS deal. The thing is, u cannot blanket attack everything. Same for PAP.

3rd abt LKY as opposition. Nothing wrong with being opposition. The diff is, LKY did not beg for pp.'s sympathy and use that to get vote. Current opposition does. That's why current opposition annoys me. It's begging me to give them a chance. U want my vote, but u r not showing me what you know, what you plan to do. You keep on harping "vote me so I can check on PAP". Well it may work for u, but not for me.

amk
30-04-11, 23:51
See u just refuse to admit u r wrong abt GIC at least on one deal. :cool: wasted my time to explain to you for the 2nd time.

And yes i read ur wp manifesto and concluded that's the level of a MBA research subject. :cool:

And yes some PAP guys are not worthy either. But ur opposition guys are worse. This is the state of this system.

Ur TOC post abt 87 - 0 is the fearmongering from opposition too. So dun cry kettles black ok :cool:

chiaberry
30-04-11, 23:53
Very simple, it is either you check on them or the current slate of opposition check on pap. If you don't want to check, then someone else has to do it, this is what parliament is all about. The current slate of opposition has come up with a credible team to check on the pap's policies in parliament, so just let the opposition do their job in parliament, what is wrong with that? WKS has failed to increase birth rate in singapore, meted out poor immigration policies and producing a less than impressive track record during his 5 terms in parliament, but why isn't he sacked just like any ceo would be in the corporate sector since his salary is pegged to private sector? Don't even need the mas selamat incident to highlight his inconsistencies

Can somebody please enlighten me what WKS has done for the great powers that he keeps his job despite all of the above you have stated. I think it must have been something significant in the past he has done for them. MBT too.

I am getting tired of this "Check and Balance" line. How can they prevent the PAP implementing policies when they are not in the majority in Parliament? They will be outvoted.

amk
30-04-11, 23:55
Very simple, it is either you check on them or the current slate of opposition check on pap. If you don't want to check, then someone else has to do it, this is what parliament is all about. The current slate of opposition has come up with a credible team to check on the pap's policies in parliament, so just let the opposition do their job in parliament, what is wrong with that? WKS has failed to increase birth rate in singapore, meted out poor immigration policies and producing a less than impressive track record during his 5 terms in parliament, but why isn't he sacked just like any ceo would be in the corporate sector since his salary is pegged to private sector? Don't even need the mas selamat incident to highlight his inconsistencies

Hmm u r far more logical :)

Yes I agree some one else has to check. My issue is, this bunch are no better. Except for 2.
I have to decide shall i just leave it to this bunch, or status quo ?

new2mondrian
30-04-11, 23:57
Let me first state categorically that I am not here to garner support for whichever party, be it the ruling party or any opposition party. Or rather, to me it is key that whichever party that is voted in must be aligned to the larger strategic interests of Singapore, and to create opportunities for future generations of Singaporeans that they will remain engaged to this island and be proud to call this home.

Having said that, there are a few personal viewpoints which I wish to share:

1) Take a macro and long-term perspective

What is Singapore's value proposition in the next 10-20 years? How can we remain competitive vis-a-vis our neighbours? Our land cost is high (land is a limited resource), our labour cost is high, even our electricity tariffs are high in the absence of viable alternative energy sources (eg nuclear or hydroelectric power). We do not have a viable domestic market. Economic cycles are getting shorter. How do we continue to attract foreign direct investment flows? How do we diversify the economy to buffer against external shocks? How to we move up the value chain so that indigeneous wages will rise? And how can Singapore remain relevant politically and economically?

2) Be calibrated on bread and butter issues

The rich poor divide is an issue which most developed countries have to grapple with at some point, unless one takes the purist approach and go communist (even China and Russia have a rich poor divide problem). The question is how sensitised the Government is to this issue and how to help the lower income/social strata progress is key to its party survival. How to grow in tandem with jobs creation (unlike the jobless recovery scenario in certain countries)? How to create jobs that are desirable to Singaporeans while managing the foreign worker issue? How to ensure that the next generation of Singapore is competitive globally?

3) Be relevant, be close to the ground

Asia will be ageing in the next 20 years, and so will Singapore. It is a completely new conundrum of ageing issues that whichever ruling party has to be ready for and to deal with. We do not have a social security system, except for CPF. Is the minimum sum sufficient? How ready are we for an ageing society? How will our growth be affected? And with a low birth rate and strict FT policy, how can the young support the old, short of raising taxes? Can our healthcare system cope with this?

With each election, I assess each party and its potential candidates based on their calibre and their ability to address issues which I think are key for Singapore's survival. Therein lies my vote. As I watch over my child drift into peaceful slumber, my only wish is that he will grow towards a better tomorrow, in a Singapore that creates more opportunities for his generation than it did for mine. :)

Regulators
01-05-11, 00:01
So are you saying that the pap govt needs no checking in parliament and should continue with their autocratic leadership? I don't see your rationale of qualifying the opposition for parliament as even an uneducated taxi driver has eyes to see and mouth to speak against unjust pap policies in parliament, don't even need the brains of a cambridge graduate to do that. A taxi driver can tell me money invested by gic and temasek belongs to the people and we should have a stake in it, but you on the other hand would prefer for pap to continue manipulating the funds at their whim without any transparency as to how the money is used. I really don't know what education has done for singe people in this forum, and maybe it could be due to the fact that we do not have a proper civics education in schools to start off.

Geylang OKT
01-05-11, 00:06
So are you saying that the pap govt needs no checking in parliament and should continue with their autocratic leadership? I don't see your rationale of qualifying the opposition for parliament as even an uneducated taxi driver has eyes to see and mouth to speak against unjust pap policies in parliament, don't even need the brains of a cambridge graduate to do that. A taxi driver can tell me money invested by gic and temasek belongs to the people and we should have a stake in it, but you on the other hand would prefer for pap to continue manipulating the funds at their whim without any transparency as to how the money is used. I really don't know what education has done for singe people in this forum, and maybe it could be due to the fact that we do not have a proper civics education in schools to start off.

Regent Heights huat ahhhh!!!!! :D :D :D

Regulators
01-05-11, 00:14
You got nothing better else to say is it? Thanks for your concern coz my regent heights can sell for more than 880k with tenancy now and I also collecting free money from rental every month :D
Regent Heights huat ahhhh!!!!! :D :D :D

amk
01-05-11, 00:15
So are you saying that the pap govt needs no checking in parliament and should continue with their autocratic leadership? I don't see your rationale of qualifying the opposition for parliament as even an uneducated taxi driver has eyes to see and mouth to speak against unjust pap policies in parliament, don't even need the brains of a cambridge graduate to do that. A taxi driver can tell me money invested by gic and temasek belongs to the people and we should have a stake in it, but you on the other hand would prefer for pap to continue manipulating the funds at their whim without any transparency as to how the money is used. I really don't know what education has done for singe people in this forum, and maybe it could be due to the fact that we do not have a proper civics education in schools to start off.

1) no i did not say pap needs no checking. But it does not mean u just approve anyone with a loud mouth to be my voice. There are other channels. PAP is a business government. Many business decisions do not come from MPs, but rather from private practices. U dun need to have a loud mouth MP to make a difference. Get my point ?
2) the wealth of a nation belong to the nation collectively, not individually. If u give a taxi driver his "share" of say 10k, tomorrow he might just squander it away. Ppl cannot even manage their CPF money properly even with all these measures in place, imagine whqt will happen if he claim ownership of this "share". This has nothing to do with moral value. A taxi driver does not necessarily understand the need to maintain a position on this asset or tat asset. U think u r so grand by giving everyone its "share". That's simply akin to socialist communism. Every one no need to work.

devilplate
01-05-11, 00:16
What way has he make Singaporeans lives better ?

As the most expensive and maybe most powerful Foreign Minister in the world, he cannot even make the Romanian Ambassador Dr Silviu to return to Singapore to answer justice.

What is happening now is just a wayang Romanian trial which have no conclusion and justice not served in a clear cut case.

yaya....vote for wenqing!:D

devilplate
01-05-11, 00:17
Didnt this casino thing make Minister Lim Boon Heng cried on TV ??

He acknowledge the social problems but think it far below the issue of job creation.

Next in line will be Porn and Alcohol industries.

Last time, gamblers go Genting or Cruise Ships to gamble maximum a few days and losses are limited.

Today, gamblers can go casinos everyday by MRT, Bus and Taxi to gamble at their doorstep until families are broken, suicides happen, jobs are lost, bankruptcies happen, divorces happen etc.


Even if we do not gamble, there is no guarantee that our childrena and grandchildren will not gamble too. Then problems start.

You do not need million dollar talent to tender out casinos and as a solution to create jobs. Even WP can do that.

If PAP is really talented and extraordinary as MM Lee said, they should have invented other methods of job creation instead of copy and paste from Las Vegas and Macau.

PAP had gone down the immoral path.

yaya....wenqing is the holy saint:D

Geylang OKT
01-05-11, 00:18
yaya....vote for wenqing!:D

100% confirm and double confirm that property prices will devalue by 80% in less than a month :D :D :D

amk
01-05-11, 00:20
Just to add one, wealth of a nation is to guard this nation against many unforeseen situations, and prepare for worse case scenarios, and to bribe bigger nations for breathing spaces ! But ppl always get jealous when he see so many "reserves" and yet my pay so little."why not give me my share". This money is used to defend the nation.

Geylang OKT
01-05-11, 00:24
You got nothing better else to say is it? Thanks for your concern coz my regent heights can sell for more than 880k with tenancy now and I also collecting free money from rental every month :D

Bro.... Regent Heights highest ever peak is just $830k done in April 2011 ($820k done in March 2011 and another similiar $820k transacted in Feb 2011) and prices are starting to slide! ;)

Don't let the property agent bull sheet you so he can get his exclusive. My take is if you sell now you can get $830k for maybe another couple of months before going lower again. :scared-2:

devilplate
01-05-11, 00:24
Can somebody please enlighten me what WKS has done for the great powers that he keeps his job despite all of the above you have stated. I think it must have been something significant in the past he has done for them. MBT too.

I am getting tired of this "Check and Balance" line. How can they prevent the PAP implementing policies when they are not in the majority in Parliament? They will be outvoted.

both shorties

but i only support MBT the cheeky shortie:D

even though i dun agree wif all his housing policies....overall good:D

no opposition candidate this round is capable to takeover his position:)

i am unhappy last time tat i m not entitled to buy HDB....but i dun hold grudges....be a man and see both merits vs mistakes b4 u judge a person:D :cheers6:

romeo
01-05-11, 00:26
Taxi drivers also must be paid sufficiently to ensure their families are well taken care of so they can concentrate on the roads and not knock down any innocent padestrian crossing the road!!! Teachers must also be paid sufficiently to ensure their families are well taken care of so they can focus on teaching our next generation not only academic knowledge but moral and civic obligations too. What about MRT operators who ferry 200 000 communters daily? :rolleyes:

wow.. good one!

devilplate
01-05-11, 00:27
Hmm u r far more logical :)

Yes I agree some one else has to check. My issue is, this bunch are no better. Except for 2.
I have to decide shall i just leave it to this bunch, or status quo ?

how about NSP jeannette and SDP Alec?:)

both smc

sidetracck: i will vote for nicole seah if its a miss singapore contest:D gogo nicole seah!:D

romeo
01-05-11, 00:28
Tell that to PAP and their boasts especially during times like Minister Pay Hike and elections.

You should take note PAP quotes.

I thought I was voting for Gods and Goddesses.

:p :p :p

haha..

i tot sg is a big deal? we got highest paid ministers leh! thats a big deal!!

Geylang OKT
01-05-11, 00:28
how about NSP jeannette and SDP Alec?:)

both smc

sidetracck: i will vote for nicole seah if its a miss singapore contest:D gogo nicole seah!:D

she does have nice knockers :D

devilplate
01-05-11, 00:31
Let me first state categorically that I am not here to garner support for whichever party, be it the ruling party or any opposition party. Or rather, to me it is key that whichever party that is voted in must be aligned to the larger strategic interests of Singapore, and to create opportunities for future generations of Singaporeans that they will remain engaged to this island and be proud to call this home.

Having said that, there are a few personal viewpoints which I wish to share:

1) Take a macro and long-term perspective

What is Singapore's value proposition in the next 10-20 years? How can we remain competitive vis-a-vis our neighbours? Our land cost is high (land is a limited resource), our labour cost is high, even our electricity tariffs are high in the absence of viable alternative energy sources (eg nuclear or hydroelectric power). We do not have a viable domestic market. Economic cycles are getting shorter. How do we continue to attract foreign direct investment flows? How do we diversify the economy to buffer against external shocks? How to we move up the value chain so that indigeneous wages will rise? And how can Singapore remain relevant politically and economically?

2) Be calibrated on bread and butter issues

The rich poor divide is an issue which most developed countries have to grapple with at some point, unless one takes the purist approach and go communist (even China and Russia have a rich poor divide problem). The question is how sensitised the Government is to this issue and how to help the lower income/social strata progress is key to its party survival. How to grow in tandem with jobs creation (unlike the jobless recovery scenario in certain countries)? How to create jobs that are desirable to Singaporeans while managing the foreign worker issue? How to ensure that the next generation of Singapore is competitive globally?

3) Be relevant, be close to the ground

Asia will be ageing in the next 20 years, and so will Singapore. It is a completely new conundrum of ageing issues that whichever ruling party has to be ready for and to deal with. We do not have a social security system, except for CPF. Is the minimum sum sufficient? How ready are we for an ageing society? How will our growth be affected? And with a low birth rate and strict FT policy, how can the young support the old, short of raising taxes? Can our healthcare system cope with this?

With each election, I assess each party and its potential candidates based on their calibre and their ability to address issues which I think are key for Singapore's survival. Therein lies my vote. As I watch over my child drift into peaceful slumber, my only wish is that he will grow towards a better tomorrow, in a Singapore that creates more opportunities for his generation than it did for mine. :)

oldbird sis,

i aso want to know all the answers!

HOW?!?!?!:scared-3: :scared-2: :eek: :scared-4: :scared-1:

chiaberry
01-05-11, 00:31
100% confirm and double confirm that property prices will devalue by 80% in less than a month :D :D :D

Aargh....but he missed the deadline liao. :banghead:

devilplate
01-05-11, 00:35
Just to add one, wealth of a nation is to guard this nation against many unforeseen situations, and prepare for worse case scenarios, and to bribe bigger nations for breathing spaces ! But ppl always get jealous when he see so many "reserves" and yet my pay so little."why not give me my share". This money is used to defend the nation.

vote pay and pay out!

vote for spend and spend!:D

Geylang OKT
01-05-11, 00:37
vote pay and pay out!

vote for spend and spend!:D

Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices :D :D :D

devilplate
01-05-11, 00:37
Bro.... Regent Heights highest ever peak is just $830k done in April 2011 ($820k done in March 2011 and another similiar $820k transacted in Feb 2011) and prices are starting to slide! ;)

Don't let the property agent bull sheet you so he can get his exclusive. My take is if you sell now you can get $830k for maybe another couple of months before going lower again. :scared-2:

aiya....just let him tink can fetch 880k lor....he happy can liao....:D

gong gong jia te gong:D

830k he dun sell lor....die die keep till it hit 880k....cannot meh?:D