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i do agree this round some Opp candidates do look good and of course few cannot make it pap candidates like tnl and the ah gua doc who did not do ns. i support Opp if they can win with ability and not becos of impulsive voters. this can be dangerous.
this wenqing obviously is anti-pap from day one with no tolerence at all from the post he contributed. i am suspecting he is opp member. really piss off
You are funny.
Like I say, you can post pro-PAP threads, nobody stopping you.
You also have choice to skip my posts.
From your previous posts, everyone knows you are a PAP supporter so save it.
Even if he is opp member, no need to be so aggressive. If I was wavering to vote opposition or not, I would be put off rather than encouraged to vote for them. :ashamed1:
Anyway thanks for the assurances that the vote is secret. Have never needed to vote. So got worried when ppl reported that you are given a voting number (which suggested to me that you could be traced by that number).
Of course I have to demolish your fearmongering without substance.
Who knows what motives you have.
PAP IB is known to pretend as Opposition supporters and stirring things on Internet.
One grassroot leader just told my old mum vote PAP or else we have no upgrading. Older generations like her are use to such fearmongering tactics.
Opposition lost a million votes through fear all these years is because of irresponsible urban legends which is the same as you posted.
Ong Ah Bee's Philosophy: Part XV*
Last weekend the very same MP,
Like clockwork, he came to pally pally,
Say "I've done better since the last GE",
Coz I've kept awake, on TV.
I said 'Dear MP of my GRC',
Now I can buy less, with my salary.
My pay's frozen, perpetually,
Else will kenna replaced, by 2 FTs.
I don't need casino, or a grand prix,
Or someone, with 12 As in his resume.
Just an MP, who will feel for me.
Not someone, who will simply agree,
'Thanks for your feedback, Mr Ong Ah Bee'
I feel for you, very seriously.
But in the interest, of our economy,
I have to agree, to all the policies.
Inflation is mainly, for cars and property,
My COE, costs more than my Mercedes.
You don't drive, so you're better off than me,
Not my fault it's Ah Ben, printing money.
Your flat price is up, so you should thank me,
Only those that are buying will kpkb.
Your kids can't afford? Don't worry,
We'll just make flats, that are lagi tiny.
'So dear MP, of my GRC,
With such thinking, you win oredi.
I really hope, you win this GRC,
Else I may kenna, shipped off to JB.'
devilplate
20-04-11, 20:09
i enjoyed it:spliff:
i enjoyed it:spliff:
You enjoy election news, snippets and gossips ??
devilplate
20-04-11, 20:15
You enjoy election news, snippets and gossips ??
ong ah bee:D
Erm..related to Ong Ah Heng? :p
ong ah bee:D
i understand you mean well, for us to be more politically aware.
but too much angst in your post, machiam like garmen compulsory acquire your land lidat krkr..
though well intended, this tone will turn ppl off. :D
You enjoy election news, snippets and gossips ??
ah bee says thank you. :p
i enjoyed it:spliff:
i understand you mean well, for us to be more politically aware.
but too much angst in your post, machiam like garmen compulsory acquire your land lidat krkr..
though well intended, this tone will turn ppl off. :D
I did not twist your arm to come here right ? You came and join in yourself.
Well the thread title says post any election news, snippets and gossips which I copy and paste mainly from elsewhere.
You may read or skip my posts. I am not twisting your arm.
But if there are fearmongers pretending to act blur spreading urban legends then I will have the right to respond and rebut.
this kind of patronizing tone w so much angst sounds like csj!
this is a property forum, so your postings can have either many property issues and a little political issue, or some political issues w some property issues.
fearmongers! i so scared, need you to come save the day? :beats-me-man:
I did not twist your arm to come here right ? You came and join in yourself.
Well the thread title says post any election news, snippets and gossips which I copy and paste mainly from elsewhere.
You may read or skip my posts. I am not twisting your arm.
But if there are fearmongers pretending to act blur spreading urban legends then I will have the right to respond and rebut.
this kind of patronizing tone w so much angst sounds like csj!
this is a property forum, so your postings can have either many property issues and a little political issue, or some political issues w some property issues.
fearmongers! i so scared, need you to come save the day? :beats-me-man:
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I do not know which part is patronising and I did not know CSJ is a patronising person.
I am just stating facts. Maybe you should read the posts from those fearmongers first.
You started making personal comments and I have right to respond.
This is property forum but this thread is park under coffeeshop section which is anything under the sun so what are you trying to point at ??
This thread started because the devilplate's WP thread got other election news and was deviating.
I am no hero and I never mention I am saving the day but at least I have the right to reply in a forum.
Did I see you rebuting to make things clear to this fearmongers? If not, why are you holding against those that bother to reply their side of the story ?
I got nothing against you. I only dislike the fearmongers.
Geylang OKT
20-04-11, 22:43
This is NOT True as I've been trained on the polling and counting process.
It's secret to all.
You must be working for a stat board or ministry then... and you opposition supporter??? :hell-hath-no-fury: :D :D
confirm you are sent by opposition to infiltrate internet forums, and confirm your behaviour here is doing them more harm than good. :tsk-tsk:
sent by hunger strike party still ok, pls dun be sent by WP becoz I think they stand a good chance of breaching the grc fortress this time.
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I do not know which part is patronising and I did not know CSJ is a patronising person.
I am just stating facts. Maybe you should read the posts from those fearmongers first.
You started making personal comments and I have right to respond.
This is property forum but this thread is park under coffeeshop section which is anything under the sun so what are you trying to point at ??
This thread started because the devilplate's WP thread got other election news and was deviating.
I am no hero and I never mention I am saving the day but at least I have the right to reply in a forum.
Did I see you rebuting to make things clear to this fearmongers? If not, why are you holding against those that bother to reply their side of the story ?
confirm you are sent by opposition to infiltrate internet forums, and confirm your behaviour here is doing them more harm than good. :tsk-tsk:
sent by hunger strike party still ok, pls dun be sent by WP becoz I think they stand a good chance of breaching the grc fortress this time.
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Who is the one being patronising now ?
Why are you making baseless accusations and thinking this way ?
Can't Opposition supporters copy and paste articles here and respond to baseless fearmongering ??
You have been making personal accusations without facts, and I think it is not polite.
opposition exco, pls remove this joker b4 he ruins your campaign. :doh:
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Why are you making baseless accusations ??
What makes think this way ??
Can't Opposition supporters copy and paste articles here ??
You must be working for a stat board or ministry then... and you opposition supporter??? :hell-hath-no-fury: :D :D
Hmmm.... :tsk-tsk: .... :spliff:
opposition exco, pls remove this joker b4 he ruins your campaign. :doh:
Why dont you start your own thread and leave this thread.
Look at the sequence of your posts.
You started a personal attack.
I ask questions, you never answer, just keep getting personal.
You make personal attacks with no facts and trying to incite me.
You are trolling. Please save it.
I got nothing against you.
Hmmm.... :tsk-tsk: .... :spliff:
I did not know it is a sin for civil service to vote Opposition.
:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
for the record, i do not know you and don't need to accuse you since you've done me no harm.
inference is a more appropriate word. from what i've read from you so far, can infer many things.
as you wish, i will ignore this thread from now.:D
for the record, i do not know you and don't need to accuse you since you've done me no harm.
inference is a more appropriate word. from what i've read from you so far, can infer many things.
as you wish, i will ignore this thread from now.:D
I think jumping to conclusions and assuming is more likely for you.
Hope you can infer many things from reading ST and watching CNA too.
My apologies and mistake for asking you to leave this thread.
This is a free forum for exchanging ideas, information and debate. You have the right to come and go.
Good luck.
devilplate
20-04-11, 23:13
wenqing like to say ppl shallow.....:hell-hath-no-fury: :hell-hath-no-fury: :hell-hath-no-fury:
actually wenqing just nid to keep posting relevant articles will do the job oredi.....dun try too hard la:tsk-tsk:
wenqing like to say ppl shallow.....:hell-hath-no-fury: :hell-hath-no-fury: :hell-hath-no-fury:
actually wenqing just nid to keep posting relevant articles will do the job oredi.....dun try too hard la:tsk-tsk:
Yes Boss, sorry Boss.
I just copy and paste until someone started to do some fearmongering.
Help me to refute them Boss.
Regulators
21-04-11, 00:12
Many in the civil service still think they owe the ruling party a living just because they are being well looked after in their cushy job. I even heard of teachers being summoned by the principal into the office to be told to vote for the PAP, I am not lying coz someone close to me told me this.
I did not know it is a sin for civil service to vote Opposition.
:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
Mrs. Fearmonger checking in here.
I do hope you are right and that if Opposition wins Bishan-TP and Aljunied, that these places don't get "penalised" in some way for it.
Let's see if the PAP can be gracious in defeat rather than playing sore loser. Let them not be short-sighted as their actions might determine the outcome in the NEXT election (not this one).
Take heed any PAP ppl who are reading this now. :tsk-tsk: Your "children" have grown up now and they are not so easily put down and controlled as before. You have done a good job with their education. They can think for themselves and see the reality with their own eyes. Please treat us with respect as we are all tax payers too and deserve to have the same amenities as other Singaporeans. We are all Singaporeans after all. Make us proud to be part of a democratic society. And show us that it IS a democratic society please.
if this happens to me .. i will report to police on the spot .. call CNA, newspaper hotline IMMEDIATELY and nail the person who said ' YOU VOTED FOR OPPOSITION "
simply becos voting is compulsory and yuor vote is a secret
they are not supposed to know
and if they do ..and use it against me ..PAP is asking for trouble should their staff ever dare to say they know
HOORAY!!
tin tin.. hahahahaha
singaporeans MUST be able to stand up for what is Right and what is wrong ..
only dare to complain about people not giving up seats in MRT, or Macdonald's charging 10ct for warm water ...or restaurants not allowing pets etc ..
we will be doomed cos we are a nation of people who complain only the trivial-est of things and keeping quiet what that really matters
rightly put, brother:cheers6:
to all of you, ignore the garbage propaganda in the ST and CNA that is pro PAP. Voted to have a first world parliament, have more people support in parliament and stop laws from rolling out of parliament like going for a quick toilet session. ON THE 7TH MAY, LET US ALL VOTE FOR A CHANGE !
YAY!!!!!! history in the making..
saw Chiam n team doing their walkabout.. think at toa payoh lor 1..
pple welcome them w open arms, dash up to them for handshakes..
displayed utmost respect for the old man..
dpm n team in trouble liao
Many in the civil service still think they owe the ruling party a living just because they are being well looked after in their cushy job. I even heard of teachers being summoned by the principal into the office to be told to vote for the PAP, I am not lying coz someone close to me told me this.Of course lah... teachers and pupils all got holiday on 9 May (Monday) while the rest of Singapore has to return to work so must make sure they cross the right box lah... :D
YAY!!!!!! history in the making..
saw Chiam n team doing their walkabout.. think at toa payoh lor 1..
pple welcome them w open arms, dash up to them for handshakes..
displayed utmost respect for the old man..
dpm n team in trouble liao
Did anyone see dpm doing walkabout? Where? :confused: Or the Hen?
Looking forward to WP's rally again. :D
Being in the opposition is better than being apap lackey
so u are opp lackey?
Even if he is opp member, no need to be so aggressive. If I was wavering to vote opposition or not, I would be put off rather than encouraged to vote for them. :ashamed1:
Anyway thanks for the assurances that the vote is secret. Have never needed to vote. So got worried when ppl reported that you are given a voting number (which suggested to me that you could be traced by that number).
precisely, a neutral person will be put off by such behaviour
I did not know it is a sin for civil service to vote Opposition.
:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
Contradict to popular believe in urban myth that civil servants will support PAP, there are many CS who think otherwise.....
so u are opp lackey?
By your assumption, more or less can confirm u are PAP lackey!:scared-1:
Tot you are pretty neutral? :sleep:
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Who is the one being patronising now ?
Why are you making baseless accusations and thinking this way ?
Can't Opposition supporters copy and paste articles here and respond to baseless fearmongering ??
You have been making personal accusations without facts, and I think it is not polite.
u are not fearmongering? u are telling ppl must vote opp or our future will be ruined!! u need a doctor........
By your assumption, more or less can confirm u are PAP lackey!:scared-1:
Tot you are pretty neutral? :sleep:
if want to vote mean lackey? so majority of sporean are lackey becos opp won only 2 seats? i support team that has capable ppl which can bring growth to spore. not a team tat attend wake to buy vote.
devilplate
21-04-11, 09:49
criticise OPP doesnt mean PAP lackey or wat la....getting so childish....LOL
to me, wenqing is a OPP lackey
criticise OPP doesnt mean PAP lackey or wat la....getting so childish....LOL
Agreed on this. :cool:
Agreed! I complain about PAP because I hope they'll take my critics and change for the betterment of our country. :sleep:
proud owner
21-04-11, 10:05
i dont deny PAP has done some good stuff for the country ...
but that does not mean oppositions are useless .. more of not given the chance..
what i do not like are some of the policies .. and tactics
if PAP is so confident ..what mean to re draw election boundary almost every other election ?
its an advantage that contesters never had ..
if they sure win .. why need to 'threaten' voters with NO UPGRADING ?
all singaporeans are the children of this country
the ruling party are the Parents ..
those who support oppositions are like your rebellous children
those who support pap are like daddy/mommy's favorite
do you as parents .. stop giving/providing (grade HDB) to your children becos they dont listen to you ??
do you as parents .. shower love and gifts to your children who 'knows how to suck up to you" ?
is this how parents should be ??
when the children all grow up .. since you have not provided them with love and care( no upgrading) ..so they dont give you allowance ..
can people who support oppositions pay tax to opposition party will them do their own up grading ??
cannot ..cos PAP dont allow
PAP still force you to pay tax to them ..even when they DONT provide for you ..
to me ..be it PAP or Opp supoorters .. all HDBs deserves upgrading once they reach upgradable age .. regardless of whos the winning MP there ..
constantly using upgrading to buy vote..is damn disgusting .. like someone here said ..playing with the fear on the people ...
this is not right
redrawing boundary is also disgusting ... i remember many years back ..AMK was under Marine parade .... WTF ?????/
We are more concerned about government flushing our money down the toilet bowl by spending millions of excess funds on ministers' salaries and paying useless greenhorns like tin peiling tens of thousands a month for doing close to nothing
u must also be making millions with yr superb education biz. you keep complaining abt minister high pay becos it is fund by tax payer money which include yr tax payment. but how abt parent's contribution to sustain yr million $ biz??
lets say a typical family income of $10k/mth:
gross family income=$10000/mth (take hme $8000)
yearly income=$130000/year (include 13th mth)
tax paid=$3000 ($250/mth)
send kids to Regulator training centre=$1000/mth
of the $3000 yearly tax collected, say 30% is use to fund minister pay. So a typical family contributed $75 per month to fund high minister pay. On the other hand, u collect $1000 per month from your student parent.
so you think that :
1) minister get paid thru taxpayer’s 30% (estimate) tax contribution is not acceptable?
2) U suck dry yr student parent $1000 (13% of net pay) per month to sustain yr million dollar income is acceptable?
Question:
1) So U think a minister’s job is easy then yr educator biz? U care abt yr own earning but minister has to ensure country growth. Easy task then jus give out some worksheet?
Benefit of:
1) Parent pay $1000 per mth for training = maybe the kid become smarter
2) Parent pay $75 per mth to fund minister pay = safe country to live in, good job prospect, asset appreciation
Now I understand why u do lots of charity…….or u cannot sleep well for sucking dry ppl money to sustain yr million $ income :doh: (no guilty feeling??)
i dont deny PAP has done some good stuff for the country ...
but that does not mean oppositions are useless .. more of not given the chance..
what i do not like are some of the policies .. and tactics
if PAP is so confident ..what mean to re draw election boundary almost every other election ?
its an advantage that contesters never had ..
if they sure win .. why need to 'threaten' voters with NO UPGRADING ?
all singaporeans are the children of this country
the ruling party are the Parents ..
those who support oppositions are like your rebellous children
those who support pap are like daddy/mommy's favorite
do you as parents .. stop giving/providing (grade HDB) to your children becos they dont listen to you ??
do you as parents .. shower love and gifts to your children who 'knows how to suck up to you" ?
is this how parents should be ??
when the children all grow up .. since you have not provided them with love and care( no upgrading) ..so they dont give you allowance ..
can people who support oppositions pay tax to opposition party will them do their own up grading ??
cannot ..cos PAP dont allow
PAP still force you to pay tax to them ..even when they DONT provide for you ..
to me ..be it PAP or Opp supoorters .. all HDBs deserves upgrading once they reach upgradable age .. regardless of whos the winning MP there ..
constantly using upgrading to buy vote..is damn disgusting .. like someone here said ..playing with the fear on the people ...
this is not right
redrawing boundary is also disgusting ... i remember many years back ..AMK was under Marine parade .... WTF ?????/
HEAR HEAR!! I agree fully... please win on your own merits and not tactics and certainly not through piggybacking on other "old birds" .. no more GRC, no more gerrymandering!
if want to vote mean lackey? so majority of sporean are lackey becos opp won only 2 seats? i support team that has capable ppl which can bring growth to spore. not a team tat attend wake to buy vote.
Bro ay123,
"Stand Corrected" for your assumption that "majority of sporean are lackey becos opp won only 2 seats..."
For your information on Year 2006 GE result
Total qualified voters for all Electorate Constituency : 2,158,704 voters
Polls goes to Opposition : 375,143 votes or 17.38%
Polls goes to PAP : 748,130 votes or 34.66%
Total polls : 1,123,273 votes or 52.03%
Uncontested votes : 1,035,431 voters or 47.97%
As you will noticed there are about 47.97% voters did not vote at all. :scared-1:
Another "stand corrected" for your remark " i support team that has capable ppl which can bring growth to spore. not a team tat attend wake to buy vote."
On one hand, PAP keep encouraging overseas based Singaporeans to return back to Singapore, on the other hand, PAP questioned why WP's CSM returned back to Singapore. Mind you, one PAP's candidate just neutralised to become Singaporean in Y2008 and he did not even serve NS at all. Worst of all, his remarks seem to be belittling what NS about.
During this GE campaign, Opposition is focusing debating on policies or issues such as cost of living problems, transportation, social misalignment issues. However, see what PAP is doing now? PAP's GRC team attempt to use iPad to win votes and was late aborted.. PAP continue to use it old tricks such as character assasination to tarnish opp's candidates...
In my opinion, PAP is diverting public attention away from key election topics ... and that is "COSTS of LIVING!!!!' and "FOREIGN TALENTS"....
On TPL saga, Netizen is questioning her remarks on "Garment has heaviliy subisdies Education & Healthcare thus these two costs are low" and "Widening income gap is not government problem!" . According to MSM, it ws reported that Netizen is attacking TPL becos of her private background, age and gender and there is no mentioning about TPL's remarks on the three fundamental issues! :scared-1:
Well, am not trying to convine you who should you vote here and am just trying to "stand correct" some points for which MSM did not tell you. ;)
i dont deny PAP has done some good stuff for the country ...
if they sure win .. why need to 'threaten' voters with NO UPGRADING ?
to me ..be it PAP or Opp supoorters .. all HDBs deserves upgrading once they reach upgradable age .. regardless of whos the winning MP there ..
constantly using upgrading to buy vote..is damn disgusting .. like someone here said ..playing with the fear on the people ...
this is not right
Unfortunately I don't think the PAP have gotten this sentiment on board yet.
If they lose GRCs, they are likely to inflict this "punishment" on those GRCs notwithstanding that the voters did pay their taxes and also that there were amongst them those who voted for the PAP.
Unless of course they suddenly have enlightenment that they cannot and should not treat their "children" in this way. Wonder what is the chance of that?
sorry i'm supposed to avoid this thread, but this pap ninja is equally provocative as the opposition ninja. :doh:
pap exco, pls remove this ninja also.
*exits thread.
devilplate
21-04-11, 10:27
ay123 getting out of topic leh....relax la.....
but seriously, i believe majority will feel the minister's pay is really too much
proud owner
21-04-11, 10:28
Unfortunately I don't think the PAP have gotten this sentiment on board yet.
If they lose GRCs, they are likely to inflict this "punishment" on those GRCs notwithstanding that the voters did pay their taxes and also that there were amongst them those who voted for the PAP.
Unless of course they suddenly have enlightenment that they cannot and should not treat their "children" in this way. Wonder what is the chance of that?
A Good govt is one who cares for ALL its people ...
if pap can upgrade the oppositions wards immediately after they lost that ward .. I BET their will win it on the next elections becos the people will remember the good deeds ...
all singaporeans are the children of this country
If only politics is as collinear as parent child relationship! Parents have emotional attachment to kids but govt don't. Other than LBH who's retiring, and MM who cried years back, no one else that I can remember! :D
devilplate
21-04-11, 10:32
If only politics is as straight collinear as parent child relationship! Parents have emotional attachment to kids but govt don't. Other than LBH who's retiring, and MM who cried years back, no one else that I can remember! :D
genuine cry cry .....ppl aso can say croc tears....
politics is really scary la....:scared-5: :scared-3: :scared-1: :hell-hath-no-fury:
devilplate
21-04-11, 10:34
politics no fun at all one.....u see....heated arguments.....both side supporters will nvr become frens.......
best move: pretend to be neutral even u r not....LOL
politics no fun at all one.....u see....heated arguments.....both side supporters will nvr become frens.......
best move: pretend to be neutral even u r not....LOL
"stand corrected", me and bro ay123 are debating wor but we are reasonable enough to stay friendly.;)
ay123, rite?:D :D
Yup! Friendly friendly (at least in appearance) :D
Do you think MM and Chee Soon Juan reasonable enough to be friend friend? :tsk-tsk:
ninja spotting is fun :D
although they may not realise they're damaging netizen opinion instead of influencing it with such polarised shouting.
politics no fun at all one.....u see....heated arguments.....both side supporters will nvr become frens.......
best move: pretend to be neutral even u r not....LOL
"stand corrected", me and bro ay123 are debating wor but we are reasonable enough to stay friendly.;)
ay123, rite?:D :D
I do not think it is wrong to take sides politically.
In Singapore's system which is multi-party electoral system, it is normal to take sides and voters are suppose to take sides.
If you do not take sides and rather sit on fence, then only logical way is to spoil vote which neither political parties will like.
A Good govt is one who cares for ALL its people ...
if pap can upgrade the oppositions wards immediately after they lost that ward .. I BET their will win it on the next elections becos the people will remember the good deeds ...
Yes that's my view too. But dunno the PAP would be that gracious in defeat or not.
politics no fun at all one.....u see....heated arguments.....both side supporters will nvr become frens.......
best move: pretend to be neutral even u r not....LOL
I thought that we SHOULD be having heated arguments. Politics is supposed to be discussed and argued. At least now we have 2 camps as opposed to one-sided all support PAP. Good to have a strong and fervent Opp camp too. Otherwise it makes a mockery of democracy.
I thought that we SHOULD be having heated arguments. Politics is supposed to be discussed and argued. At least now we have 2 camps as opposed to one-sided all support PAP. Good to have a strong and fervent Opp camp too. Otherwise it makes a mockery of democracy.
Yep, agree.
If every voter sit on fence and never take sides and no views , then no need election anymore.
Just switch to Brunei monarchy style, North Korea Communist style or Syrian dictatorship style.
No sides, no views and no empowerment.
Yes that's my view too. But dunno the PAP would be that gracious in defeat or not.
According to our beloved PM, may not be so gracious! :doh:
devilplate
21-04-11, 11:05
I thought that we SHOULD be having heated arguments. Politics is supposed to be discussed and argued. At least now we have 2 camps as opposed to one-sided all support PAP. Good to have a strong and fervent Opp camp too. Otherwise it makes a mockery of democracy.
yeah.....but from wat i observed, almost always ended up calling names.....:tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk:
bro mckinnon 'banned' from joining in the fun too....:p
debate wif maturity and respect
ninja spotting is fun :D
although they may not realise they're damaging netizen opinion instead of influencing it with such polarised shouting.
Dont think you will vote base on ninjas alone as criteria.
Anyway, I already apologise in the previous post about asking you to leave this thread and starting your own.
This is a free forum and so I also reserve my right to refute any posts deem not true and harmful to Opposition causes i.e. fearmongering tactics.
I support Opposition but not from any party so stop your ninja accusations.
Second, people have views when they take sides and nothing wrong with that.
Sometimes, the views may be worded strongly but need so to prevent diseases like fearmongering and urban legends from spreading any further.
PAP does it all the time but we do not use threats here.
There are Singaporeans out there still actually believe urban legends and fears despite the so-called First World education.
Regulators
21-04-11, 11:10
Opposition do not need lackeys coz they are not the ruling party and don't provide direct benefits to the people. You suck up to the pap just bcoz they have succeeded in putting you in your comfort zone. There is more to governing the country than just economic growth. With so many capable people in the opposition today, what makes you think opposition can't move singapore forward? We are talking about voting for a change to a first world parliament and better protection for the rights of the people, any logical person would see this need.
so u are opp lackey?
ya, i like chen shou mao and sylvia lim's style, balanced and thought-invoking.
hopefully, the ninjas sent here are not reflective of the calibre of their respective candidates.
yeah.....but from wat i observed, almost always ended up calling names.....:tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk:
bro mckinnon 'banned' from joining in the fun too....:p
debate wif maturity and respect
According to our beloved PM, may not be so gracious! :doh:
That would amount to threatening.
u are not fearmongering? u are telling ppl must vote opp or our future will be ruined!! u need a doctor........
PAP said the same thing too but spreading fear with no track record of Opposition ruining things to show.
I said the same thing base on damaging policies from past 5 years.
PAP's track record is well documented the last 5 years.
Besides, I do not know all bankers, lawyers, doctors, accountants earn more than 4 million a year like PM Lee said.
He said if you want to make money, do not be Minister but be bankers, lawyers, doctors, accountants.
ya, i like chen shou mao and sylvia lim's style, balanced and thought-invoking.
hopefully, the ninjas sent here are not reflective of the calibre of their respective candidates.
I think you are a serious troll and inciteful.
I do not think it is wrong to take sides politically.
In Singapore's system which is multi-party electoral system, it is normal to take sides and voters are suppose to take sides.
If you do not take sides and rather sit on fence, then only logical way is to spoil vote which neither political parties will like.
Bro, agreed that taking side is necessary.
But tot let take it openly to hear views from all angles, we might be wrong at times...:ashamed1:
While I can fully understand your feeling, but would advise you to take it less harshly upon...
缘分不可去的太尽，去的太尽必然早尽。
Yes that's my view too. But dunno the PAP would be that gracious in defeat or not.
pretty doubtful on this and tot they would change the election rules if 1 or more GRC kana knocked out by opp...
:2cents:
yeah.....but from wat i observed, almost always ended up calling names.....:tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk:
bro mckinnon 'banned' from joining in the fun too....:p
debate wif maturity and respect
fully agreed on this.;)
I think you are a serious troll and inciteful.
wenqing, relaxed and appreciate less name calling leh...:o
pls do a quick poll on how many forummers think you're helping the democracy of singapore or the opposition with your cut and paste and whinewhinewhine posts here.
I think you are a serious troll and inciteful.
Found this comment on Internet:
“We have to be realistic. There is a limit to how much re-training we can do for some workers, so we have to look overseas.
Look at my generation, more than half of them didn’t even complete primary school education. What are we going to do?
They are not going to conveniently die off…”
Singapore’s permanent secretary to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) Mr Bilahari Kausikan.
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Live in nursing homes in JB?
SINGAPOREANS could consider living in nursing homes in neighbouring Johor Baru, Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan suggested yesterday.
He told Parliament yesterday that he recently visited a site in Johor Baru where a Singaporean investor was planning to build a 200-bed nursing home.
He asked the investor about the costs involved, and was stunned at how low they were.
He said: 'It is mind-boggling. The cost of land and construction cost is so low that my cost of putting up just a polyclinic (in Singapore) is probably more than his cost of putting up a 200-bed nursing home (in Johor Baru).
For most Singaporeans, visiting a relative in a Johor Baru nursing home would not pose significant difficulties, he said.
The investor, who is a nursing home chief executive, told him that many people visited their relatives weekly, even in nursing homes in Singapore.
Mr Khaw added: 'Of course many visit daily, but quite a significant number visit only during the weekends, so what is the difference in putting them in Johor Baru?'
LEE HUI CHIEH
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This is an excerpt of the parliamentary debate between PAP MP Dr Lily Neo and Minister Vivian Balakrishnan on the issue of public assistance.
Dr Lily Neo:
Sir, I want to check with the Minister again when he said on the strict criteria on the entitlement for PA recipients. May I ask him what is his definition of “subsistence living”?
Am I correct to say that, out of $260 per month for PA recipients, $100 goes to rental, power supply and S&C and leaving them with only $5 a day to live on?
Am I correct to say that any basic meal in any hawker centre is already $2.50 to $3.00 per meal?
Therefore, is it too much to ask for just three meals a day as an entitlement for the PA recipients?
Dr Vivian Balakrishnan:
How much do you want? Do you want three meals in a hawker centre, food court or restaurant?
The full transcript of the exchange can be found here.
wenqing, relaxed and appreciate less name calling leh...:o
I was just copying and pasting when he started the name callings, jumping to conclusions and accusations if you notice the sequence of our exchange.
I do not know what is wrong with this guy.
Sigh if my GRC fall to Opposition, perhaps the house prices can drop. Then I can pick up cheaply for own stay :D . Bishan-TP GRC a good long-term buy. ;) Anyway it's my kampung. No matter who runs it, it's still home.
pls do a quick poll on how many forummers think you're helping the democracy of singapore or the opposition with your cut and paste and whinewhinewhine posts here.
Read the thread of the title.
If you do not post anything yourself, why prevent people from posting ?
If you have no views, why call people who have views as whiners ?
Bishan Kid
21-04-11, 11:45
Wenqing, I truly believe in democracy and also track record of the governing party as compared to countries so called First World like
Spain ,Portugal, UK ,Belgium,Australia and even the United States.
1)Crime rate
2)Unemployment
3)Homeownship
4)Taxes
5)Infrastructure of the country
6)Cost of living
7)Subsidy of quality education for every citizen especially for Pri and Sec.
8)Basic and Specialize Medical care .
Please don't get really sanctimonious about making your comments.
Sigh if my GRC fall to Opposition, perhaps the house prices can drop. Then I can pick up cheaply for own stay :D . Bishan-TP GRC a good long-term buy. ;)
Sorry, you are making a sweeping statement and heavy-lifting fearmongering.
It is not true Opposition will cause property values to drop and please back up with data.
At property websites, Hougang and Potong Pasir flats value is higher than same flats in PAP areas.
It had been demolished before at other threads.
Mah Bow Tan is using property value in ST and CNA to scare voters everyday but he cannot produce proof.
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=11173
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=10926
becoz if your objective of posting is to influence opinion, it's not working partly due to the fact that you're more irritating than the white ninjas.
if your objective is not to influence opinion here, then what is your objective?
Read the thread of the title.
If you do not post anything yourself, why prevent people from posting ?
If you have no views, why call people who have views as whiners ?
Wenqing, I truly believe in democracy and also track record of the governing party as compared to countries so called First World like
Spain ,Portugal, UK ,Belgium,Australia and even the United States.
1)Crime rate
2)Unemployment
3)Homeownship
4)Taxes
5)Infrastructure of the country
6)Cost of living
7)Subsidy of quality education for every citizen especially for Pri and Sec.
8)Basic and Specialize Medical care .
Please don't get really sanctimonious about making your comments.
Singapore already have democracy in elections.
But lack accountability at Parliament which is why more Opposition need to enter.
Those above is either hardware stuff or policy stuff which PAP as government will still continue to do so.
The issue here is having greater Opposition presence in Parliament which will not stop PAP from doing the above as government.
It is mutually exclusive of each other and not inter-dependent.
Singapore is not Alice in Wonderland either.
Whatever listed above, Singapore also have and it is a question of getting worse or not.
Healthcare and education is not cheap too in Singapore.
20 years ago, C class ward can stay 2 months, now 2 weeks also difficult because of cost.
We take O and A levels from UK which change government every 12 years average. Whose education is first world ?
Singapore university lecturers come from grid-locked governments like Europe, India and and US so what does that prove ?
Crime rates had increased due to influx of foreigners, Even Minister Shanmugam admitted that.
Singaporeans cannot pass down their homes to generations unlike Australia as it is leasehold.
Cost of living is well documented as inflation is 6%.
becoz if your objective of posting is to influence opinion, it's not working partly due to the fact that you're more irritating than the white ninjas.
if your objective is not to influence opinion here, then what is your objective?
So now you finally admit you a pro-PAP . But it is your right to take sides in Singapore's multi-party electoral system.
I do not know why you come forums for since you want to control who can post what.
You can create your own forum then.
First, I already said this is a free forum and you are welcome either to post your own threads or skip reading posts you dislike.
This is anything under sun coffeeshop talk. The thread title says it all.
I cannot play nanny to you.
Second, you are welcome to post threads/articles you like.
I already said you are free to post pro-PAP articles anywhere in internet forums including this thread.
But people got right to comment on your copy and paste articles.
Every book, newspaper, media and article influences opinions, it is obvious.
You should be taking issue with national media like ST and CNA if it really bothers you.
Just because you are lazy does not mean you should take issue with other people making effort to post.
Do not be unreasonable.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/pore-not-just-made-elites-rp-kenneth-jeyaretnam-175116348.html
S’pore not just made up of elites: RP chief
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/i_Zxs5LRNHAS7owVH8VbZA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7dz02MzA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/singaporescene/630yahoo_RP_WC.jpg (http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/singaporescene/630yahoo_RP_WC.jpg)Reform Party's West Coast GRC team, led by Kenneth Jeyaretnam (centre). (Yahoo! photo/ Ewen Boey)
Reform Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Reform+Party+Singapore&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (RP) chief Kenneth Jeyaretnam says people in Singapore should be represented by people of every strata.
Speaking to Yahoo! Singapore at the unveiling of candidates who will be contesting in West Coast Group Representation Constituency (GRC), he said that the criteria for choosing candidates was not solely based on academic qualifications.
"Singapore is not just made up of elites. We should have people from all strata of society to best represent everyone. The candidates have to be motivated by the idea of public service," said Jeyaretnam, who has a double first class honours in economics.
Choosing to hold the party's press conference in an unorthodox fashion -- at a coffee shop in Clementi on Wednesday night -- the party secretary-general introduced the team he will be leading in West Coast GRC in the General Elections (GE).
They are current party chairman Andy Zhu, a senior district manager in a real estate firm, marketing manager Ho Soak Harn, both 29, and businessmen Frankie Low, 51, who is on loan to RP from the Singapore People's Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Singapore+People%27s+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (SPP) and Kumar Appavoo, 43. His father, Pakire Appavoo, stood under the banner of the Singapore Alliance 1963 on the invitation of then Malaysian Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Tunku+Abdul+Rahman&fr=fp-today&cs=bz).
West Coast GRC is currently the only ward RP is contesting, which is a surprise as Jeyaretnam was expected to contest in either Pioneer or Radin Mas.
The late opposition leader J.B. Jeyaretnam (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=J+B+Jeyaretnam&fr=fp-today&cs=bz)'s eldest son explained his decision. "We are not sending our candidates to constituencies unless there's a place for them to go," he said.
"It would not be in the interest of the party to send candidates to enter in three-cornered fights. But we will review the situation and should there be any change in the current situation we will still like to contest Pioneer and Radin Mas," he added.
Jeyaretnam also dismissed claims that his party lacked candidates to contest the other wards.
"We have enough candidates to field another GRC team, but at the moment there is no place for them to go."
When asked if former party chairman Ng Teck Siong (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Ng+Teck+Siong&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) will rejoin RP, Jeyaretnam admitted that he did extend a hand to invite Ng back. "I told him the door is always open for him."
However, he refused to comment if former vice-chairman Alec Tok (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/former-rp-member-contest-independent-candidate-20110418-051238-279.html) will rejoin the party.
"We have many more candidates which could be fielded if slots become available," he added.
Despite the uncertainty of Ng and Tok's return to the party, Jeyaretnam remained optimistic about RP's chances in the GE.
"Even though we may be seen as David battling Goliath, we all know how that story ended. We believe the people of Singapore and West Coast will support us."
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/pap-nee-soon-grc-team-suspends-ipad-contest-170047640.html
PAP’s Nee Soon GRC suspends iPad contest
The People's Action Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=People%27s+Action+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz)'s (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=People%27s+Action+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (PAP) Nee Soon Group Representation Constituency (GRC) team has suspended a contest that offered residents a chance to win an iPad, following news that Parliament has been dissolved (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/president-sr-nathan-dissolves-parliament-20110419-002033-363.html).
A Channel NewsAsia report on Wednesday questioned if the PAP's new Nee Soon GRC team's outreach effort had contravened election rules.
Potential PAP candidate for the area, Lim Wee Kiak, told Yahoo! Singapore, "Although it (the contest) does not contravene the election laws, we decided to suspend the contest during the election period and resume after the GE (General Election) so as not to complicate matters since there is so much interest in the website now."
The contest, which was launched on 3 April, offered residents a chance to win an iPad if they could name the five "familiar" PAP faces or colour the PAP logo that appeared on www.neesoon.org (http://www.neesoon.org/).
Dr Lim said, the team had checked the law before the contest was launched. "There is no breach of any election rules".
"The contest suspension was announced yesterday shortly after we received the news on parliament dissolution," he said.
According to the Parliamentary Elections Act (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Parliamentary+Elections+Act&fr=fp-today&cs=bz), which came into effect once the Writ of Election was issued on Tuesday, campaigning can only start after Nomination closes. Nomination Day will be held next Wednesday, 27 April.
However, the Elections Department told MediaCorp the law does not clearly spell out if this particular initiative constitutes Internet election advertising (http://forums.condosingapore.com/).
On Wednesday morning, an announcement (http://neesoon.org/contest) on the Nee Soon website said the contest, scheduled to end on 27 April, has been suspended with immediate effect on Tuesday as Parliament has been dissolved.
"We will resume the contest, on the same terms, after the GE," the announcement read.
Dr Lim described the initiative as an "outreach programme" for residents to know what is happening in their ward and to get to know the candidates better.
It is a contest to get the public to visit the website, and the team is not giving out freebies to entice voters to vote for the party, he said.
Wenqing, I truly believe in democracy and also track record of the governing party as compared to countries so called First World like
Spain ,Portugal, UK ,Belgium,Australia and even the United States.
1)Crime rate
2)Unemployment
3)Homeownship
4)Taxes
5)Infrastructure of the country
6)Cost of living
7)Subsidy of quality education for every citizen especially for Pri and Sec.
8)Basic and Specialize Medical care .
Please don't get really sanctimonious about making your comments.
Taxes in Singapore is well hidden like GST on Water Tax. Tax on tax.
Singapore also have unemployment and especially high at recession.
Other countries have buses, MRTs, Mcdonalds, shopping centres, roads, bridges like in Singapore, maybe even bigger than in Singapore.
I do not know what you are trying to compare here.
Maybe you should not get sanctimonious here too.
Type so much just answer to Q. Wats ur objective?
My personal friend is running under wp so i hope he wins.
So now you finally admit you a pro-PAP . But it is your right to take sides in Singapore's multi-party electoral system.
I do not know why you come forums for since you want to control who can post what.
You can create your own forum then.
First, I already said this is a free forum and you are welcome either to post your own threads or skip reading posts you dislike.
This is anything under sun coffeeshop talk. The thread title says it all.
I cannot play nanny to you.
Second, you are welcome to post threads/articles you like.
I already said you are free to post pro-PAP articles anywhere in internet forums including this thread.
But people got right to comment on your copy and paste articles.
Every book, newspaper, media and article influences opinions, it is obvious.
You should be taking issue with national media like ST and CNA if it really bothers you.
Just because you are lazy does not mean you should take issue with other people making effort to post.
Do not be unreasonable.
Type so much just answer to Q. Wats ur objective?
My personal friend is running under wp so i hope he wins.
Romeo already answered for me which is to spread Opposition and Political awareness and circumvent ST and CNA which 90% covers PAP news.
I write long because you keep repeating the same personal remarks and jumping to same conclusions without reading.
My friend is also WP which is why I update the WP thread occasionally and refute claims WP will cause HDB price to fall and Opposition make property values drop, is it the same friend ?
If your friend is indeed WP then do your part and help defend WP manifesto and Opposition cause.
devilplate
21-04-11, 12:55
Romeo already answered for me which is to spread Opposition and Political awareness and circumvent ST and CNA which 90% covers PAP news.
I write long because you keep repeating the same personal remarks and jumping to same conclusions without reading.
My friend is also WP which is why I update the WP thread occasionally and refute claims WP will cause HDB price to fall and Opposition make property values drop, is it the same friend ?
If your friend is indeed WP then do your part and help defend WP manifesto and Opposition cause.
after serious thoughts, i believe its not wise to peg new flats with median income....shd improve the current AHG scheme instead....
just my opinion
So means trying to influence positive opinions on opposition right? Well it's not working. U sent by wp?? Epic fail liao jialat.
Romeo already answered for me which is to spread Opposition and Political awareness and circumvent ST and CNA which 90% covers PAP news.
I write long because you keep repeating the same personal remarks and jumping to same conclusions without reading.
My friend is also WP which is why I update the WP thread occasionally and refute claims WP will cause HDB price to fall and Opposition make property values drop, is it the same friend ?
If your friend is indeed WP then do your part and help defend WP manifesto and Opposition cause.
devilplate
21-04-11, 12:59
So means trying to influence positive opinions on opposition right? Well it's not working. U sent by wp?? Epic fail liao jialat.
its not working on me too...
to be honest, not easy to win votes jus by cutting and pasting....to make things worse....calling names....lose more votes instead:doh:
i goto repeat the most irresponsible comment made by wenqing:
'burden lies on the buyer/reader and not agts/sellers/writer':doh: :doh: :doh:
So means trying to influence positive opinions on opposition right? Well it's not working. U sent by wp?? Epic fail liao jialat.
Nope I am not sent by anybody.
Just an ordinary poster.
Again u make a statement and jumping to conclusions.
You are trolling and making personal attacks from nothing.
Start your own thread then or go PAP blog call ST and CNA.
I seriously doubt your frd is from WP then.
devilplate
21-04-11, 13:16
after serious thoughts, i believe its not wise to peg new flats with median income....shd improve the current AHG scheme instead....
just my opinion
just to add...can someone explain y the bto flats prices too high for first timers? dun forget to factor in the AHG
3rm flat income ceiling revised to 5k....i anyhow see also affordable for poor 1st timer.....:beats-me-man: :confused:
bcoz resale px oredi quite high now....we cannot simply price the bto px low low(for eg...50% discount or more).....even if u can argue tat it will not necessarily caused a devaluation in the resale market....but how can govt give 'free monies' to 1st timer jus like dat? currently, oredi about 100k free profit based on resale value
fairest way is to improved on the AHG range...currently i tink up to 60k Max....
devilplate
21-04-11, 13:19
Nope I am not sent by anybody.
Just an ordinary poster.
Again u make a statement and jumping to conclusions.
You are trolling and making personal attacks from nothing.
Start your own thread then or go PAP blog call ST and CNA.
I seriously doubt your frd is from WP then.
u r trying to help Wp or the opposition rite?
but seriously, its not working......see how many ppl r offended by u oredi:doh:
yup yup... friendly exchange of views. May disagree on other people's views as much as others may disagree on my view but take with pinch of salt... friendly friendly :D. Want to fight, go boxing arena.... in forum, must be friendly friendly :ashamed1:
u r trying to help Wp or the opposition rite?
but seriously, its not working......see how many ppl r offended by u oredi:doh:
Hey, I am just copy and pasting articles floating around the internet.
Look at title thread and understand what it means.
That guy called me names, jump to conclusions, makes assertions with no basis.
I welcome him to post anything he wants including pro-PAP articles.
He is free to start his own threads and skip posts he dislikes.
He doesnt want to post anything but wants to control what people can post.
I do not find this reasonable so I reply.
Before you jump to conclusions and making assertions yourself , please go through entire sequence of exchange between ourselves.
I been holding back alot.
How I offend people when I just copy and paste ?? I did not force them to come here to read.
For those fearmongers, I myself is offended but I got right of reply right.
Unless you insist only fearmongers are correct.
its not working on me too...
to be honest, not easy to win votes jus by cutting and pasting....to make things worse....calling names....lose more votes instead:doh:
i goto repeat the most irresponsible comment made by wenqing:
'burden lies on the buyer/reader and not agts/sellers/writer':doh: :doh: :doh:
I cannot be as irresponsible as "Once in 50 years", "Its honest mistake, lets move on" but sack everyone in Mas Selemat case. "It is freak event"
proud owner
21-04-11, 14:17
I cannot be as irresponsible as "Once in 50 years", "Its honest mistake, lets move on" but sack everyone in Mas Selemat case. "It is freak event"
hahahhahhaha
like I said when ruling party make a mistake ...even damn serious ones ..
they always use : Lets move on, etc etc
but when the people make a mistake ...they get caned, fined, etc etc ..
this is the govt's way of being POSITIVE...
i will be very very appreciative of their efforts ...and move on ..if they fire Wong K S .. for the Selemat's escape
hahahhahhaha
..if they fire Wong K S .. for the Selemat's escape
He is in the firing line already.....his GRC is not so secure and his bosses are aware of it. Maybe they leave him there and let the voters "fire" him. They don't even need to do the firing. Which do you think is worse, being fired by the PAP bosses or being fired by your voters? I think the 2nd is worse....what does everyone else think?
He is in the firing line already.....his GRC is not so secure and his bosses are aware of it. Maybe they leave him there and let the voters "fire" him. They don't even need to do the firing. Which do you think is worse, being fired by the PAP bosses or being fired by your voters? I think the 2nd is worse....what does everyone else think?
Yeah man... Chiam and gang is threatening...:scared-3:
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/voters-are-left-wondering-about-pap-manifesto/ (http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/voters-are-left-wondering-about-pap-manifesto/)
Voters are left wondering about PAP manifesto
Andrew Loh
Senior members ofthe People’s Action Party (PAP) have been calling on Singaporeans to scrutinise the manifestos of the opposition parties.
Mr Wong Kan Seng, in particular, had urged voters to “drill down to the details as to what exactly do they mean by their specific recommendations.”
Mr Wong,who is also the 1st Assistant Secretary General of the PAP, said,“When people look at all these items, they should perhaps look into the details or perhaps ask for better explanation as to how these policies can be implemented.”
His remarks came days after the Workers’ Party (WP) unveiled its 63-page election manifesto. Comprising 15 chapters, it delves into various aspects – from the economy to civil liberties, from law to society.
The Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) launched its alternative economic programme (http://yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/4346-democrats-officially-launch-alternative-economi-plan-) in a 47-page document in November last year. The party had also unveiled in February its shadow budget (http://yoursdp.org/index.php/perspective/special-feature/4606-sdp-shadow-budget) for thenation even before the Government’s own budget in March this year.
Another opposition party, the National Solidarity Party (NSP), made available its 11-page manifesto on 21 April. (See here (http://pdfcast.org/pdf/nsp-ge-2011-manifesto).)
The party which was earliest in presenting its “policy promises” for the elections, as far as its programme for the nation is concerned, is the Reform Party. It revealed its manifesto last year. (See here (http://www.thereformparty.net/voting-rp/election-manifesto/).)
The PAP unveiled its programme on Sunday at a big rah-rah gathering of members celebrating its youth wing’s 25th anniversary. The manifesto, a 13-page document (http://www.pap.org.sg/ge2011incl/manifesto2011eng.pdf), was roundly criticised for its brevity and lack of specifics. Even its attempt at a simpler video presentation was so badly received that the party had to disable the ratings and comments facility on the video. (See here (http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/pap-manifesto-video-slammed-by-viewers/).)
Its 2006 election manifesto too was slammed for lacking in substance.
Looking at all the manifestos, it is quite clear that the opposition parties are more willing to spell out their ideas and plans for the country than the ruling party; and that they have apparently given more thought into their programmes.
In defending criticisms from Singaporeans about its manifesto, the PAP’s Mr LimSwee Say said the manifesto “is a compass that charts a firm, long-term course for the country.” He also said that “people should not just think about the micro aspects of policies.”
Mr Lim’sremarks are in sharp contrast and contradiction to that of his PAP colleague, Mr Wong.
It is a shame that the PAP, being the ruling party and one which is calling for Singaporeans to demand the opposition parties reveal the details of the irrespective programmes, should itself be so stingy in the details of its own programmes.
Indeed,as the party which is likely to be returned to power with a convincing majority in Parliament, voters should question the PAP on the finer points of its intentions.
For example, in its 2006 election manifesto, there were no mentions in the PAP programme of raising the Goods and Services tax to fund “programmes for the needy”, nor were there any revelation that the PAP Government would open the floodgates to foreign labour, nor did it spell out changes to the CPF scheme,or raising the retirement age or raising the CPF withdrawal age.
Could it be that it is precisely because these are unpopular policies that the PAP felt it was not wise to disclose these during an election?
If so,how then do Singaporeans make a “wise” and “informed” choice at the polls, thevery same thing which the PAP is again asking Singaporeans to do?
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http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/reform-party-likely-to-contest-only-in-west-coast-grc/
Reform Party likely to contest only in West Coast GRC (http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/reform-party-likely-to-contest-only-in-west-coast-grc/) | 52 (http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/reform-party-likely-to-contest-only-in-west-coast-grc/#comments)
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In a surprise move, Mr Kenneth Jeyaretnam’s Reform Party (RP) looks likely to contest only in West Coast GRC after dropping its’ claim to Radin Mas and Pioneer SMCs and Choa Chu Kang GRC.
Mr Jeyaretnam had previously been thought to be keen on running in either Radin Mas SMC or Pioneer SMC.
Mr Jeyaretnam’s pullout from contesting the other seats was made “in the name of opposition unity”.
The slate he will be running on will include:
Mr Frankie Low, 51, on loan from the Singapore People’s Party (SPP).
Mr Low has a diploma in Marketing from Stamford College in the UK, as well as a diploma in Interior Design from a local art school in Singapore.
According to the Reform Party website, Mr Low works in the signage fabrication business, and has made signages for prestigious projects like the 2010 Shanghai World Expo.
Mr Andy Zhu, 29, the Chairman of the RP. His online bio-data notes that he works as a real estate agent holding the position of “Senior District Manager”. He is noted to have been educated in “local education institutions” and is described as “a sociable person”.
Mr Kumar Appavoo, 42, a director of a construction and trading business with a diploma from building in Singapore Polytechnic. Kumar is described as an ex-civil servant and a previous president of the Singapore Government Cooperative Society.
Ms Ho Soak Harn, 29, the Head of the RP’s Women’s Wing, attended National Junior College for her ‘A’ Levels and was a member of the national swim team.
She studied on a private scholarship in Missouri and graduated with Summa Cum Laude Honours from her university.
She later completed her Masters degree in Economics from Northern Illinois University.
Ms Ho worked in Chicago with as a Senior Associate doing marketing at a credit card issuer before joining the Ministry of Finance in 2009. She currently works in the direct marketing industry.
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if want to vote mean lackey? so majority of sporean are lackey becos opp won only 2 seats? i support team that has capable ppl which can bring growth to spore. not a team tat attend wake to buy vote.
abt bringing growth to sg.. both new candidates from pap n opp can only prove after election..
but going the extra mile n appearing at funeral wake.. that's sincerity n true leadership.. for leadership starts from servitude
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/269463/1/.html
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2622592&page=4
One-Third Revenue from GST Increase goes to Minister Pay Increment
How well is well-paid?
By Tan Hui Leng and Jasmie Yen, TODAY (http://www.todayonline.com/) | Posted: 10 April 2007 1028
They expressed support for the need to pay top dollar for top talent in the public sector.
But Members of Parliament (MPs) who took part in yesterday's parliamentary debate on the pay hike also spoke passionately about what many Singaporeans believe to be the heart of the issue: The benchmarking formula used to determine ministerial pay.
Ang Mo Kio MP Inderjit Singh noted that Singaporeans could not expect their leaders to serve based on altruism alone. "Are we willing to leave the future of the country to chance, that we will get good people who will give up their competence without caring about their salary?" he asked.
Some MPs, however, saw problems in benchmarking ministers' pay to the private sector, pointing out to disparities in the risks taken by company chief executives and ministers and top civil servants.
Marine Parade MP Lim Biow Chuan said: "I struggle to understand what a top Admin Officer aged 32 at grade SR9 has to worry about that will justify him receiving $363,000 a year … From many people's perspectives, they take no personal risk and are at best, paid employees."
Opposition MPs Mr Chiam See Tong (Potong Pasir) and Hougang's Low Thia Khiang took issue with the fact that Singapore's ministers are paid more than their counterparts in developed countries.
MPs like Bishan-Toa Payoh's Mrs Josephine Teo, however, pointed out that ministers in other countries may make more money after their term in office ends, such as through public speaking.
Some MPs voiced concerns about the timing of announcing the pay revisions, especially with the Goods and Services Tax (GST) due to rise to 7 per cent in July.
Mr Singh said: "How do we answer the man-in-the-street when we're told that about one-quarter to one-third of the expected revenue increase this year from the GST is going to be for the proposed ministerial and civil service salary increases, about $240 million, I was told?"
Mr Low also referred to the recent debate on increasing the amounts for public assistance. "It's also ironic that we are consuming taxpayers' money and … discussing how much more of a fraction of a million to pay civil servants and ministers while we haggle over additional tens of dollars to hand out to our needy and disadvantaged citizens," he said.
Some MPs who supported the pay hike also suggested that the salary benchmarking could be finetuned, such as pegging ministers' salaries to more realistic markers such as top men in private equity firms and top companies based on market capitalisation. -
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1124176/1/.html
GE: RP likely to contest Ang Mo Kio GRC
SINGAPORE: The Reform Party said it is likely to contest Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's team at Ang Mo Kio GRC this General Election.
Party Secretary-General Kenneth Jeyaretnam said the Reform Party team for Ang Mo Kio could include - Mr Alex Tan and Mr Jay Ting - both of whom are on loan from the Singapore People's Party.
This was revealed during a visit to Telok Blangah by the Reform Party West Coast GRC team and supporters this evening.
Mr Jeyaretnam's 14-year-old son, Jared Jeyaretnam was also present.
Mr Jeyaretnam did not give further details but said he hopes to see every seat contested by the opposition.
"We'll also be holding a team in reserve in case any of the other GRCs plans should fall through," said Mr Jeyaretnam.
Meanwhile, Mr Kenneth Jeyaretnam added that Socialist Front Chairman Ng Teck Siong is planning to contest Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew's team at Tanjong Pagar GRC, together with members from the Singapore Democratic Alliance.
Opposition parties have said that they want to contest all 27 constituencies at the coming polls.
If that happens, it will be the first time all seats in a General Election are contested since Singapore's Independence.
- CNA/cc
So means trying to influence positive opinions on opposition right? Well it's not working. U sent by wp?? Epic fail liao jialat.
actually my personal opinion, he din fail.. on the contrary, i know very little about 'the real truth' behind sg's politics n situation.. bro wenqing's posts n news n stats have truly opened my eyes n make me realise the dire situation sg is in and the unfair n dirty politics pap is playing..
Only our vote can secure a better future for SG
http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2011/04/ge-2011-time-for-change.html
GE 2011 : Time for change.... (http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2011/04/ge-2011-time-for-change.html)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4a2cFU1RLrs/Ta9XQ0zsefI/AAAAAAAABRo/ODwt1h_z9Zk/s400/scan0005.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4a2cFU1RLrs/Ta9XQ0zsefI/AAAAAAAABRo/ODwt1h_z9Zk/s1600/scan0005.jpg)
The picture above was taken by a New Paper reporter and it shows Chee Soon Juan talking to Tan Jee Say. Tan Jee Say was Goh Chok Tong's principal private secretary from 1995 to 2000.
Although Tan Jee Say has not decided whether he will be running in the coming elections, the picture of him sitting across a very small table talking to Chee symbolises the serious need for this country to discuss and debate the issues that confront us today and in the near future.
In 1990s, I remember a series of forum letters written by Chee Soon Juan to the Straits Times warning of rising income gap and poverty.
At that time, he faced a torrent of citicism by the establishment that dismissed his warnings and ran him down for "engaging in the politics of jealousy".
2 decades later, we do not have the Swiss standard of living but the highest income gap among developed countries and a growing underclass that is struggling just to survive...and many who can't have to depend on schemes such as Workfare to keep their heads just above water.
Now Tan Jee Say, a top civil servant from the late 1990s, is sitting with the "Singapore Rebel" Chee to decide if he needs to join the opposition to bring about change in Singapore.
It just goes to show how clear and compelling the signs are that this country needs to change its course.
In their manifesto, the PAP claims they will help Singaporeans to cope with the rising cost of living citing those one-off election goodies as the solutions to Singaporeans woes.
But Singaporeans know that the big elephants in the room are healthcare, housing, large foreign influx and transport.
Unless we reform each of these, our quality of life will decline, the income gap will rise and Singaporeans will fall into poverty in greater numbers.
At this late hour, it is quite incredible for the PAP to put out a manifesto that just tells us they will preserve the status quo without major changes....quite amazing to hear Mah Bow Tan say cheaper public housing will 'raid' our reserves when most people known that expensive public housing has 'raided' their ability to retire.
"Workers' Party's proposal on housing dangerous...." - Mah Bow Tan, Straits Times 21 April 2011[.Link (http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110421-274770.html)]
"85% of Singaporeans are living in HDB flats and we intend to keep the values of these homes up. It will never go down,” said MM Lee.Link (http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_647217.html)
I tell you what is really dangerous. What is really dangerous is the PAP linking our retirement to housing by draining our CPF for the purchase of HDB flats.
MM Lee said recently that HDB flat prices will never drop. But we know from housing bubbles around the world governments can never artificially make housing prices go up forever relative to income.
The global economy to which the Singapore economy is linked is prone to recessions and when the high price of housing fall, Singaporeans will be severely affected and this is really dangerous...and it is the PAP that endangered us with its unbalanced policies.
The PAP approach to rising healthcare cost has been to shift the rising costs to the sick and their families through means testing to keep govt expenditure which is already the lowest among developed countries down.
Singaporeans today do not have universal healthcare as about 18% (1 in 5) are uninsured. Pushing more financial burden onto Singaporeans as healthcare cost rise sharply due in part to govt policies to turn Singapore into a medical hub for the rich, has strained the finances of the lower and middle income groups.
We are starting to have a system in which quality and timeliness of care is sharply differentiated based on your ability to pay - further exacerbating the effects of the income gap. Khaw Boon Wan liberalised the use of Medisave for Malaysian hospitals implicitly telling those who are too poor to seek medical care in Malaysia.
The foreign talent policy grew from one that brings in selected talents to help develop the Singapore economy to one of massive influx straining our services and infrastructure.
This influx has become a blunt tool for the PAP to grow the GDP by increasing the workforce headcount.
The effects has been detrimental for ordinary Singaporeans who saw their wages depressed, cost of living go up and increasing structural unemployment as employers become less willing to keep older workers because they can import younger foreign ones.
The PAP manifesto of 1688 words just tells they intend to do things the same way despite the pleas of Singaporeans. The PAP is very confident (some say complacent) because it has a whole lot of pork barrel to influence voters:
"SINGAPORE : Residents in the newly-created Nee Soon Group Representation Constituency (GRC) will see their estates rejuvenated to the tune of more than S$600 million, under the area's five-year town renewal plan.", CNA, 21 April 2011[Link (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1123968/1/.html)]
The Workers Party has presented manifesto with more than 17,000 words and within these words are ideas that will change your life for the better and put this country back on the right track. However, these words are not actionable without your support and votes to get the people behind them into parliament.
I remember during the 2006 elections, Low Thia Kiang urged Singaporeans to put his A-team in Aljunied into parliament. In 2006, I was in East Coast GRC but thanks to PAP's gerrymandering, although I'm staying in the same place, I'm now in Aljunied GRC.....and I'll be voting for change.
Posting Time 12:01 PM (http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2011/04/ge-2011-time-for-change.html)
Posted by Lucky Tan
CSJ.. many would call him crazy.. because his methods r unorthodox n ah gong whacked him hard, made him bankrupt, turned him radical..
but he rightly pointed widening income gap n poverty issue but nobody give a hoot abt it.. coz in the 90s' everything is well n comfy n we were complacent then..
he was ahead of his time.. now we know he was warning us of the doom n gloom ahead.. haiz..
This 24 years old girl far surpassed my courage.
http://www.facebook.com/nicoleseahnsp
biggest regret - tin pei lin (PAP) vs nicole seah (NSP)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbQ_dXyg840&feature=share
Fresh-faced Nicole Seah generates buzz
http://www.razor.tv/site/servlet/segment/main/specials/General_Election/62734.html#/site/servlet/ajax/page?channel=contentbean%3a59830&view=asLargeVideoListBoxPage&page=1&autoLoad=true&video=contentbean%3a62734@59830_largeListPage@1303464654983
Video: Nicole Seah and the NSP Team contesting at Marine Parade
http://singaporeactually.com/2011/04/22/video-nicole-seah-and-the-nsp-team-contesting-at-marine-parade/
Something for the laughs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-0jzvLn2NeA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-0jzvLn2NeA)
Tin Pei Ling - Hokkien Song $$$$$$
Geylang OKT
23-04-11, 07:59
Wenqing, with your super-anti PAP postings, you are really barking up the wrong tree (ahem forum) by posting here, as the majority of forumers here are property owners (some even with multiple properties) and therefore super staunch supporters of the incumbent party. :cheers4: :D :cheers1: :D :D
You should really go somewhere else like hardwarezone or temasek review to trot out your quirky anti pap postings :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging:
Regulators
23-04-11, 10:58
Maybe you ate strong supporter coz or gahmen allow you to make money from all the foreign women they bring to singapore. I think anti vice is sleeping half the time which is why we need more opposition in parliament
Wenqing, with your super-anti PAP postings, you are really barking up the wrong tree (ahem forum) by posting here, as the majority of forumers here are property owners (some even with multiple properties) and therefore super staunch supporters of the incumbent party. :cheers4: :D :cheers1: :D :D
You should really go somewhere else like hardwarezone or temasek review to trot out your quirky anti pap postings :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging:
devilplate
23-04-11, 11:03
i believe most ppl dun like wenqing only....rather den opposition....
i got offended by wenqing's behaviour and comments and tat got nothing to do wif opposition or pap or election thingy
and pls dun assume tat whoever argue wif wenqing.....means they r PAP supporter:doh:
A good and stable country will attract more investments of all types and will benefit everyone here in the long run but should never forget the less fortunate ones. Otherwise, there will be social unrest and can affect foreign investments. How much can be done for them will have to strike a balance.
i believe most ppl dun like wenqing only....rather den opposition....
i got offended by wenqing's behaviour and comments and tat got nothing to do wif opposition or pap or election thingy
and pls dun assume tat whoever argue wif wenqing.....means they r PAP supporter:doh:
Geylang OKT
23-04-11, 12:23
i believe most ppl dun like wenqing only....rather den opposition....
i got offended by wenqing's behaviour and comments and tat got nothing to do wif opposition or pap or election thingy
and pls dun assume tat whoever argue wif wenqing.....means they r PAP supporter:doh:
Extremely well said :D :D :D
Wenqing, with your super-anti PAP postings, you are really barking up the wrong tree (ahem forum) by posting here, as the majority of forumers here are property owners (some even with multiple properties) and therefore super staunch supporters of the incumbent party. :cheers4: :D :cheers1: :D :D
You should really go somewhere else like hardwarezone or temasek review to trot out your quirky anti pap postings :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging:
I dont think it is right to control what and how other people post on forums base on your preferences.
Instead of being autocratic, you are PAP supporter so paste some PAP articles to share.
I got most of my material from ST and CNA too.
i believe most ppl dun like wenqing only....rather den opposition....
i got offended by wenqing's behaviour and comments and tat got nothing to do wif opposition or pap or election thingy
and pls dun assume tat whoever argue wif wenqing.....means they r PAP supporter:doh:
Well said.
Please say this to the fearmongers as well.
What do forummers feel? If pap policies favour ppty owners like us, make the gap between asset owners and non owners wider......so then why change the system? Nothing is fair in this world anyway.
Regulators
23-04-11, 23:21
If we know we can do something about it coz it is unfair but choose to do nothing about it, then we will just be condoning the unfairness thru our inaction.
What do forummers feel? If pap policies favour ppty owners like us, make the gap between asset owners and non owners wider......so then why change the system? Nothing is fair in this world anyway.
Wenqing, with your super-anti PAP postings, you are really barking up the wrong tree (ahem forum) by posting here, as the majority of forumers here are property owners (some even with multiple properties) and therefore super staunch supporters of the incumbent party. :cheers4: :D :cheers1: :D :D
You should really go somewhere else like hardwarezone or temasek review to trot out your quirky anti pap postings :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging: :jogging:
i need to ask.. wat has holding on to multiple properties got to do w not voting for opp?
property price will crash if more opp voted in parliament?
http://www.todayonline.com/SingaporeVotes/EDC110423-0000335/Former-Civil-Service-high-flier-says-Government-has-lost-its-way
Former Civil Service high-flier says 'Government has lost its way'
SINGAPORE - He counts Mr Lim Boon Heng as a "good friend" but that did not stop former Civil Service high-flier and new Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) candidate Tan Jee Say from expressing his disappointment with Mr Lim.
The retired minister, among some in the Cabinet, had initially objected to casinos here but relented because of the 35,000 jobs it would create.
But Mr Tan, 57, said yesterday that the jobs could have been created in other areas.
And so the former government scholar, who spent five out of 11 years in the elite Administrative Service as Principal Private Secretary to then Deputy Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong, marked his entry into politics by launching several critiques against economic policies of a "government that has lost its way and moral compass".
Mr Tan, whom the Singapore Democratic Party unveiled in its second and final batch of candidates, said he strongly advocates Singapore moving away from manufacturing to the services industry but the casino and gaming sector was the "wrong type of services to go into", compared to sectors such as education and healthcare.
Currently an investment adviser, he recently wrote a paper entitled "Creating Jobs and Enterprise in a New Singapore Economy - Ideas for Change", in which he recommended reducing the teacher-student ratio by half, which would double the existing number of 30,000 teachers.
"What is this 35,000 jobs in the casino? Nothing. You just spend five years, S$10 billion, you create 30,000 jobs for teachers. These are noble jobs, good and meaningful jobs, to invest in the future of children. Not the casino jobs (of) dealers and croupiers," he said.
Mr Tan also expressed disappointment that the number of public hospital beds per 10,000 of population had remained constant for 10 years until the addition of Khoo Teck Puat Hospital.
"How can you run a public health hospital policy without increasing the number of hospital beds when your population increases? Don't you provide for increase in population especially when you have foreigners coming in too?" asked Mr Tan.
He added that increasing the number of hospitals would also add several thousand ancillary jobs in the sector, such as nurses and hospital attendants.
It was his 46-page paper that triggered his entry into Opposition politics.
Despite his criticism on policies, Mr Tan stressed that his decision to stand for elections - made only three days ago, following a final consultation with his father-in-law - does not detract from his "strong sense of friendship" with several ministers, such as Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo and Senior Minister Goh.
He even sent an email to several ministers, informing them of his decision before yesterday's SDP press conference, he said.
He was candid about rejecting offers by the National Solidarity Party to stand in Tampines Group Representation Constituency (GRC) against National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan ("we're both Hainanese") or in Marine Parade GRC ("the Asian tradition of being respectful to your former boss").
When asked how effective he would be if he gets into Parliament, since he was reluctant to stand against friends, Mr Tan said: "Once we achieve in building up a culture of First World politics, they'll know we're running with national interests at heart. But we've not reached there yet. So first round, I'll avoid."
He added that he did not choose to run under the SDP ticket just because of the constituencies they plan to contest, though.
He cited the party's organisation and its use of the Internet for communication. He also agreed with the main thrusts outlined in the party's Shadow Budget, including the call to dismantle Temasek Holdings and privatising companies under it.
i need to ask.. wat has holding on to multiple properties got to do w not voting for opp?
property price will crash if more opp voted in parliament?
Nothing will happen and life goes on.
This is because no track record of property value falling under Opposition before.
Private property is different from Public Housing.
Location and ability of Management Committees determind value of Private properties.
HDB and URA will still need to look after the flats in Opposition areas as it is a national agency and not PAP agency.
Property Prices at Hougang and Potong Pasir is higher than some PAP areas which proves location and not politics decide property value.
Just for Laughs
Best PAP candidate for GE 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7peUggy6knE&feature=player_embedded
Geylang OKT
24-04-11, 07:15
i need to ask.. wat has holding on to multiple properties got to do w not voting for opp?
property price will crash if more opp voted in parliament?
To tell you the truth, folks in our line couldn't care less who wins the General Erections :D :D :D :D
Regulators
24-04-11, 10:43
I heard government is going to use entrapment tactics to weed out pimps so you should care. The modus operandi of you guys is so predictable these days, if police want to catch, it is very very easy.
To tell you the truth, folks in our line couldn't care less who wins the General Erections :D :D :D :D
devilplate
24-04-11, 10:52
U guys really believe he is okt meh? :p
Regulators
24-04-11, 11:01
No reason for him to lie about this. He probably gets a lot of his clients they sammyboyforum.com, a regular website used by pimps. These okts can make shit loads of money as hourly sessions can range from $150 to a few thousand dollars
U guys really believe he is okt meh? :p
Regulators
24-04-11, 11:06
Check out www.sammyboyforum.com and you know what I am talking about. Just don't fall prey to the temptation of calling for any of the services
U guys really believe he is okt meh? :p
Minor addition here to "stand corrected".
Before you collecting your vote, the worker will write down your NRIC into the retaining vote's coupon (just like you writing checks).
After election hour over, the retaining coupons will be throw into the balloting box. Polling agents from contesting camp will witnessed the sealing process and to make sure nobody have access to the retaining coupons and name lists.
During counting, total votes casted must matched the total retaining coupon's number to ensure fair election.
After counting completed, all votes, retaining coupons (with your IC on it), void votes, name list (where the polling officer will crossed out your name when you collect vote) will be collected and sealed together inside a box under supervision of contesting camp's counting agents. Both contesting agents will sign on the boxes to ensure no tempering.
Immediately after counting completed, these boxes will delivered to High Court vault for safe keeping.
Six months later, comtesting camps witll gathered again to witness votes destroying process. During then, both side will check to ensure signatures/boxes are intact with no evidence of tempering.
Please share this with your friends that Voting is really Secrect! Dun't let the fear factors rule over you and your friends.
Think carefully and vote wisely. Singapore is calling you to decide what next for our next generation.
sorry to go back to old topic.
between High Court Vault and 6 months later, who is doing the monitoring?
Is the High Court Vault also sealed off for 6 months?
According to these reports, all seals can be defeated, ie tampered without detection.
http://library.lanl.gov/cgi-bin/getfile?00818333.pdf and the related research reports in last few pages
so basically, it is the government who select the seals to be used, the location to be stored, etc.....Does the opposition stand guard for 6 months?
before being disposed, does the opposition engaged a security advisor/expert to see wether it has been tampered? Or do they just see signature on seal intact so they ok already? opposition candidates experts on security meh?
I was initially interested in seals because of pilferage during tranportation. Somehow the oil was siphoned off from the tanker trucks, but the seals remain intact. :beats-me-man:. Of course at the end, know their modus operandi.:)
sorry to go back to old topic.
between High Court Vault and 6 months later, who is doing the monitoring?
Is the High Court Vault also sealed off for 6 months?
According to these reports, all seals can be defeated, ie tampered without detection.
http://library.lanl.gov/cgi-bin/getfile?00818333.pdf and the related research reports in last few pages
so basically, it is the government who select the seals to be used, the location to be stored, etc.....Does the opposition stand guard for 6 months?
before being disposed, does the opposition engaged a security advisor/expert to see wether it has been tampered? Or do they just see signature on seal intact so they ok already? opposition candidates experts on security meh?
I was initially interested in seals because of pilferage during tranportation. Somehow the oil was siphoned off from the tanker trucks, but the seals remain intact. :beats-me-man:. Of course at the end, know their modus operandi.:)
Not sure if this helps to explain better.
http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/09/your-vote-is-secret/
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Many Singaporeans harbour the misconception that their vote during elections is not secret. I’ve talked to many people, both educated and less educated, and the overwhelming majority seem to think this way.
This is despite the fact that at every election, the Elections Department takes pains to communicate to voters two main points: Voting is compulsory, and voting is secret. I guess this is a point that Singaporeans just refuse to believe our government about.
It is even more unfortunate that some persist in perpetuating this urban myth, which only serves to strike more fear into the hearts of Singaporeans who are thinking of voting for the opposition.
A letter in Temasek Review today exhorted Singaporeans to spoil their votes because, the writer reasoned, then the PAP won’t “mark” you for voting against them and if there are enough invalid votes, it will indirectly increase the opposition’s share of the valid vote.
This is wrong on many counts. I’ll highlight just two: Firstly, the PAP does not know which party you voted for, so they won’t know who to “mark”, even if they wanted to.
Secondly, invalid votes do not factor in the final count, which is based on valid votes. This means that if there were 10 votes–six for the PAP, three for the opposition and one spoiled–the final tally is 66.6 per cent to the PAP (six divided by nine, with the spoiled vote excluded), not 60 per cent.
Let’s be very clear: YOUR VOTE IS SECRET. I will take you through the whole balloting process to see why:
1. On Polling Day, each voter at the polling station is issued a ballot paper without his name on it. (I’ll talk about the serial numbers later.) He/she marks the ballot paper in a booth out of sight of anyone else.
No cameras are permitted in the polling station so there is no way to observe how voters vote. The voter then folds up the paper and drops it in the ballot box. Throughout the day, counting agents from each party are at the polling station to ensure the ballot boxes are not opened.
2. At the close of polling, usually at 8pm on the same day, the ballot boxes are sealed with tamper-proof seals (which are signed over by the candidates) and transported to the Counting Centre.
3. At the Counting Centre, the ballot boxes from the polling stations are unsealed in the presence of the candidates and their assistants and emptied in a common heap.
The election officials (who are civil servants) then count the votes in full view of the candidates from all contesting parties, who ensure that the votes are counted properly and the election officials follow all the rules.
4. Immediately after counting, the votes, together with all the relevant records, the stubs of the ballot papers and any unused ballot papers are sealed in the boxes (again with tamper-proof seals) and transported to the Supreme Court vault for storage.
5. Six months later, if there are no disputes over the outcome of the election, the sealed boxes are transported to the incineration plant, where, in the presence of all the candidates (including the losers), the votes and records are completely destroyed by fire.
As you can see from above, at no point are the boxes opened without the candidates or representatives from all the contesting parties being present.
Frequently asked questions
Q. What about the serial numbers on the ballot papers?
This is a safeguard against election fraud such as bringing counterfeit ballot papers into the polling station, voter impersonation or casting ballot papers which have been marked by others.
Many other countries, including the UK, have numbered ballot papers. As explained above, there is no opportunity for the election officials or candidates to peek at the votes and match them against the electoral roll.
Remember there are no names on the voting slips, and if one wanted to match the serial numbers, one would have to sift through a huge list of thousands of voters in full view of the candidates.
It is possible, though, that in the event of a disputed outcome, the courts could order that the boxes be taken out of storage and the votes recounted.
However this would again be done in full view of the candidates. In any case, there has been no court order issued to retrieve votes since Singapore first conducted elections in 1948.
Q. Why does the election official call out my name and voter number at the polling station before giving me the ballot paper?
So as to enable the representatives of contesting political parties at the polling station to verify and cross out your name on their copies of the electoral register. They will know you voted, but won’t know who you voted for.
Q. After elections, some politicians say certain blocks supported the ruling party or opposition. Does it mean they know my vote?
Nobody knows how each individual voted. Each polling station serves about 10 to 20 blocks of flats or a few landed housing estates. They may know the aggregated number from each polling district, but not the individual votes.
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In summary, I emphasise again that voting is secret. So come the next elections, vote with your conscience, not with fear!
sorry to go back to old topic.
between High Court Vault and 6 months later, who is doing the monitoring?
Is the High Court Vault also sealed off for 6 months?
According to these reports, all seals can be defeated, ie tampered without detection.
http://library.lanl.gov/cgi-bin/getfile?00818333.pdf and the related research reports in last few pages
so basically, it is the government who select the seals to be used, the location to be stored, etc.....Does the opposition stand guard for 6 months?
before being disposed, does the opposition engaged a security advisor/expert to see wether it has been tampered? Or do they just see signature on seal intact so they ok already? opposition candidates experts on security meh?
I was initially interested in seals because of pilferage during tranportation. Somehow the oil was siphoned off from the tanker trucks, but the seals remain intact. :beats-me-man:. Of course at the end, know their modus operandi.:)
You can also ask Election Dept and any political party this question as a concern voter.
6 months or not, I believe vote is secret because of living examples of civil servants and grassroots who voted Opposition and nothing happen to them.
They still get promoted as usual.
Some in PAP even voted Opposition before because they join just for networking purposes, climb the ladder and dislike some policies.
http://www.straitstimes.com/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=f44974fcc2c5f110VgnVCM100000430a0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=cf70758920e39010VgnVCM1000000a35010aRCRD
Live in nursing homes in JB?
Feb 10, 2009
Live in nursing homes in JB?
SINGAPOREANS could consider living in nursing homes in neighbouring Johor Baru, Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan suggested yesterday.
It would be cheaper, yet be near enough to Singapore for family members to visit and for residents to return for medical care if necessary, he said.
He told Parliament yesterday that he recently visited a site in Johor Baru where a Singaporean investor was planning to build a 200-bed nursing home.
He asked the investor about the costs involved, and was stunned at how low they were.
He said: 'It is mind-boggling. The cost of land and construction cost is so low that my cost of putting up just a polyclinic (in Singapore) is probably more than his cost of putting up a 200-bed nursing home (in Johor Baru).
'The monthly cost of keeping a resident in a private nursing home in Singapore, you can stretch it easily to pay at least 2-1/2 months of nursing home care in Johor Baru.'
If any medical problems cropped up, the elderly could be taken back to Singapore by ambulance, he said.
For most Singaporeans, visiting a relative in a Johor Baru nursing home would not pose significant difficulties, he said.
The investor, who is a nursing home chief executive, told him that many people visited their relatives weekly, even in nursing homes in Singapore.
Mr Khaw added: 'Of course many visit daily, but quite a significant number visit only during the weekends, so what is the difference in putting them in Johor Baru?'
LEE HUI CHIEH
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=48503.1
Tharman Shanmugaratnam contradicts PM Lee Hsien Loong on GST increase (http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vd3d3LnRlbWFzZWtyZXZpZXcuY29tLzIwMTEvMDQvMjQvdGhhcm1hbi1jb250cmFkaWN0cy1wbS1sZWUtYnktcHJvbWlzaW5nLW5vLWdzdC1pbmNyZWFzZS1pbi1uZXh0LTUteWVhcnMv)
The People’s Action Party (PAP) appears to be split right down the middle with its leaders making conflicting statements of late which are confusing Singaporeans.
During the recently held CNA forum, a participant asked (caretaker) Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong if the PAP will increase GST after the general election.
PM Lee gave a vague answer:
“It depends on the economic environment and budget spending”.
PM Lee did not any make any promise that GST will not be raised.
However, (caretaker) Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam now claimed that GST will not be raised for at least another five years.
“As Finance Minister, I have made that very clear in Parliament that at least for the next five years – it does not mean we will raise it in five years’ time – but at least for five years, there is absolutely no reason to raise the GST,” he told the media on the sidelines of a community event.
So who is speaking the truth? Lee Hsien Loong or Tharman Shanmugaratnam?
Either way, Singaporeans should not have too much faith in the PAP. Six months after GE 2006, GST was raised to 7 percent to ‘help the poor’ and Singaporeans were asked to ‘take the bitter pill.’
One day after PM Lee said the PAP will ‘moderate’ the inflow of foreigners, CONTACT Singapore, an agency under EDB, hosted an extravagant job fair in Shanghai on 17 April.
Singaporeans should vote wisely in the coming general election so that they will not be forced to take more ‘bitter pills’ by their so-called ’servants’ again.
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Jeremy
PAP candidate Foo Mee Har's take a walk the garden interview.
It means she never answer questions directly.
http://www.razor.tv/site/servlet/segment/main/specials/General_Election/61150.html#/site/servlet/ajax/page?channel=contentbean%3a59830&view=asLargeVideoListBoxPage&page=1&autoLoad=true&video=contentbean%3a61150@59830_largeListPage@1303630855845
Nicole Seah at Aljunied Market
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMaA5OPUOTw
SDP government scholar Tan Jee Say: Throughout society, people feel something is just not right.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3202157
TanSJ:
“The economic policies that are being pursued now will undo all that we have achieved in the past 30 to 40 years and will lead to social disintegration…..Throughout society, people feel something is just not right,”
The PAP’s perennial obsession with GDP growth has also led to a widening income gap between the rich and the poor in Singapore, an unhealthy development whose impact was downplayed by the PAP.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/rejuvenated-sdp-emerging-chee-soon-juan-212449655.html
http://singaporenewsalternative.blogspot.com/2011/04/former-principle-private-secretary-to.html
Q&A videos:
Dr Ang: PAP commercialized politics.
part III=> http://www.razortv.com.sg/site/servlet/segment/main/news/62816.html (good)
SDP Ex-Teacher: Suspended trouble-making student who charged at teacher pulled-string and came back to school like a hero (parent was doing grassroot work)
video part II => http://www.razortv.com.sg/site/servlet/segment/main/news/62802.html
Interview with Tan JS on economy
video part I => http://www.razortv.com.sg/site/servlet/segment/main/news/62800.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/GeneralElection/News/Story/STIStory_660657.html
NSP's Nicole Seah gets 'rockstar' treatment
By Andrea Ong
http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20110424/nicoel.samuelhe.jpg
Ms Seah (above center) has captured the attention of many online, with comparisons being made between her and the People's Action Party (PAP)'s own youngest candidate, 27-year-old Tin Pei Ling. -- ST PHOTO: SAMUEL HE
THE youngest candidate in the coming polls received the rockstar treatment on her first walkabout after being unveiled as a candidate last week.
Heads turned and crowds formed when the National Solidarity Party (NSP)'s Nicole Seah, 24, visited two wards in Marine Parade GRC with her four teammates on Sunday.
Over 15 members of the public who found out about the walkabout from Ms Seah's Facebook page turned up dressed in orange to show their support.
Ms Seah has captured the attention of many online, with comparisons being made between her and the People's Action Party (PAP)'s own youngest candidate, 27-year-old Tin Pei Ling. Ms Tin, who has been criticised for appearing immature in interviews, is likely to stand in Marine Parade GRC led by Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.
On Saturday, SM Goh spoke about implementing a buddy system where the more experienced MPs would partner the new candidates at their meet-the-people sessions. Incumbents Fatimah Lateef and Seah Kian Peng would 'buddy' new faces Ms Tin and former army general Tan Chuan-Jin respectively.
NSP president Sebastian Teo said this was an attempt by the PAP to divert attention from Ms Tin. 'I think they are just trying to avoid a one-to-one straight competition, that's why they are putting two in one pair... They are trying to divert focus from their young candidate,' said Mr Teo.
Read the full story in Monday's edition of The Straits Times.
http://www.straitstimes.com/GeneralElection/News/Story/STIStory_660650.html?issues=SPP
Chiam sees tide turning in his favour
By Jeremy Au Yong
THE tide may be turning in favour of the opposition in Bishan-Toa Payoh GRC, said opposition veteran Chiam See Tong, who is leading a team from the Singapore People's Party to contest in the ward.
Speaking to reporters at a walkabout in Bishan on Sunday morning, he said that the 'overwhelming' welcome he has received from residents there has led him to believe he now holds a slight edge over the PAP.
'We are elated and, in fact, we are overwhelmed by the warmth of the people at Bishan-Toa Payoh,' he said.
About a month ago, Mr Chiam, 76, had said that his chances in Bishan-Toa Payoh were 50-50, with the PAP team just ahead.
Read the full story in Monday's edition of The Straits Times.
http://www.straitstimes.com/GeneralElection/News/Story/STIStory_658627.html
Personal attacks on WP's Chen will 'backfire': Analysts
The People's Action Party is unlikely to go 'full guns blazing' or step up personal attack on Workers' Party candidate Chen Show Mao (above). -- ST PHOTO: ALPHONSUS CHERN
THE People's Action Party is unlikely to go 'full guns blazing' or step up personal attack on Workers' Party candidate Chen Show Mao, said two political analysts on Tuesday.
Mr Chen, 50, a China-based lawyer whose academic credentials include topping the A-levels examination as well as degrees from Harvard and Stanford, has been billed as the WP's 'star catch' for the coming elections.
Political watcher Derek da Cunha cautioned that if the PAP went overboard with 'negative campaigning', many voters might recoil.
'It may backfire, particularly if the other side has not done anything wrong. If the electorate perceives they have not done anything wrong, then the PAP attacks come across as being gratuitous,' he told reporters on the sidelines of a seminar at the Singapore Management University.
Concurring, SMU assistant professor of law Eugene Tan, said: 'I doubt it. They (the PAP) have made a point, and I think they should move on, especially in view of the concerns that some of their candidates had become citizens recently.'
They were commenting on a letter to The Straits Times Forum Page on Tuesday, in which PAP's organising secretary Ng Eng Hen criticised the WP for not answering a letter-writer's question on why Mr Chen is choosing to enter politics now, after having spent some 40 years of his life overseas.
At the seminar, both analysts presented their pre-election analysis of the coming polls, which will be held on May 7.
Read the full story in Wednesday's edition of The Straits Times.
http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2011/04/pap-has-lost-moral-high-ground.html
PAP has lost the moral high ground... (http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2011/04/pap-has-lost-moral-high-ground.html)
Yesterday there was a report about possibility of well known psychiatrist Dr. Ang Yong Guan joining the SDP[Link (http://www.straitstimes.com/GeneralElection/News/Story/STIStory_659385.html)]. Dr. Ang was a was the chairman of the management committee of Punggol Community Club, and secretary of the Kampong Kembangan citizens’ consultative committee (CCC).
He received two National Day Awards: a Public Service Medal for social and community service in 1995 and a Public Administration Medal – Military (Bronze) in 1996 [Extracted from Temasek Review (http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/04/21/psychiatrist-dr-ang-yong-guan-may-lead-sdp-team-in-sembawang-grc/)].
He served in the SAF for 23 years before he left to start his own practice. Dr. Ang who has spent years working along side PAP MPs as a grassroots leader is not someone we expect to join the opposition...and the fact that he is thinking about joining the SDP, a party that has been the target of lawsuits, arrests and unfair public vilification by the mainstream media tells us how opinions and sentiment have shifted among people whom expect to be staunch supporters of the PAP.
There are many other highly qualified Singaporeans who have succeeded within the system like ex-top civil servants Benjamin Pwee and Tan Jee Say questioning the leadership direction and calling for a change tells us that even insiders feel that the govt has veered too far off course. Dr. Ang and Mr. Tan have joined the SDP and will be contesting in the Sembawang GRC
"SEMBAWANG GRC will get a $500 million makeover, to be implemented over the next five years."
- Straits Times, 23 April 2011.[Link (http://www.straitstimes.com/GeneralElection/News/Story/STIStory_660263.html)]
In the 2006 elections, the main problems/issues faced by Singaporeans were income inequality, rising cost of living (housing + healthcare+transport), structural unemployment. stagnant wages, and the negative effects of the large foreign influx.
Today every single one of these problems has become bigger and more serious - Singaporeans face the same issues in the 2011 elections and the PAP again promises to do something about them if we vote for them. Of course, after the elections, they may deny that any of these problems exists or say it is not the responsibility of govt or blame it on their favorite bogeyman these days - globalisation.
In the coming days, the PAP will use the mainstream media to explain why the foreign influx benefits Singapore, why its policies are good and so on. Some issues are too complex for some Singaporeans to grasp the full picture and its a matter of pulling out some selected numbers from here and there to show how Singaporeans have benefits just like what Mah Bow Tan did several months ago and what Tharman did in the recent CNA forum.
In the coming days, their propaganda machine will go into full swing. The opposition will reach a limited number through its rallies and the Internet. But given many are worse off or directly hurt by PAP policies in some way, it is hard to guess what goes on in the minds of Singaporeans. The PAP will always say they will make things better during the elections and if you find yourself getting persuaded and swayed by them, I want to tell you a story.
In 1996, 103 veteran civil servants sued the govt[Link (https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.singapore/browse_thread/thread/c2a361142ed5471/c3c1af2746028876?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=CPF)]. When they signed up to join civil service, they did so under a pension scheme left behind by the British govt. In 1973, the PAP govt persuaded them to sign up for a new scheme called CPF. They were told this scheme was better because they would take home more pay every month and they would be better off in the long run.
When they switched to this "better" CPF scheme, they would have to give up their medical benefits and pensions.There were many civil servants put under pressure in the 80s and 90s to switch to the CPF scheme. I remember the Straits Times had article after article on the benefits of switching to the CPF scheme including calculation to show how much these civil servants will benefit from the switch.
The man pushing for the civil servants to convert from the old scheme was Lee Hsien Loong. 2-3 decades later many of these civil servants who gave up their pensions realized they are worse off due the the inadequacy of CPF and escalating healthcare cost.
They sued the govt and lost...then they appealed and lost again. When they made the wrong choice and believed what was presented to them, they committed an irreversible mistake which they regretted the rest of their lives.
The pension scheme and medical benefits that these low ranking civil servants gave up were retained for top civil servants/ministers whose salaries also rose much faster than the average civil servant.
In a few weeks all of us have to make an important decision. We are shown numbers and calculations on how the foreign influx has created jobs for Singaporeans, how HDB remains affordable and massive upgrading carrots dangled to sway you to vote for them.
Just remember what happened to those veteran civil servants who believed what they were told.
When the PAP hiked the GST to 7% we were all told it was done to help the poor.
Several weeks ago, Tharman went on TV and show some statistics to prove that GST benefits the poor - his flawed argument was the rich pay more GST than the poor. Before GST, the poor paid no taxes and the rich paid more in income tax and corporate taxes.
Yesterday, the PAP govt announced there will be no GST hikes in the next 5 years. Great! But cynics on the Internet joked that the PAP will not be helping the poor more for the next 5
years using their original argument that GST hike was to help the poor.
The PAP wasted a lot of time on a barrage of uncoordinated attacks on the Workers' Party manifesto, Chen Show Mao, and badgering the opposition to say whether they are out to form an alternate govt - this is an amateurish strategy which most people can see through...if the opposition answers "yes" they will be attacked for their lack of experience.
Some of the remarks have been weird, for example, Goh Chok Tong said future ministers will serve no more than 2 terms[Link (http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110404-271616.html)] which completely contradicts the PAP claims that ministers are hard to find rare talents. The PAP also asked voters to scrutinize the details in the Workers' Party manifesto when the PAP manifesto which is one-tenth that of WP's has no details!
Mah Bow Tan angered many by saying the reserves are raided if HDB flats are more reasonably priced based on income. A quick look at the larger scheme of things it is clear now to most Singaporeans that the purchase of HDB flats has drained our CPF and it looks more like the PAP has raided our retirement accounts to build massive reserves.
Goh Chok Tong said the "ground is not sweet" this elections which is true but why admit and give voters a clear reason to vote against the PAP.
Many speculate that the PAP is not so united this time with the abrupt departure of Lim Boon Heng and entry of high profile candidates from the SAF to replace those leaving. Tharman said a strong opposition is good for the country but he was contradicted by Lee Hsien Loong the next day who said the one party system is best for Singapore - how is that for confusion?
When politicians run for office, it is advantageous that they can project a strong sense of purpose, answer the pressing needs of the populace,and show themselves to be more credible than their opponent.
You start by seizing the moral high ground and start your campaign with an edge - you are the good guy and your opponent a baddie that voters should not trust. This moral high ground is lost by the PAP as they pursue their usual pork barrel politics and arrogant denial of citizens; problems.
The number one problem this election is the relentless rise in the cost of living which is felt by almost all Singaporeans. The PAP started by denying that the problem exists by saying that housing, healthcare and transport are still affordable.
The problem is the cost of living has risen while wages for a large number of Singaporeans remain stagnant - it is a waste of time telling people that things are s"till affordable" when everyone feels the pinch of rising prices.
The people want leaders to seriously look at our healthcare and public housing schemes to find ways to stop the price rise that is outstripping our income growth. The candidates interested in serious change to fix the situation appear to come from the opposition.
I can't recall another election in the last 20 years that the PAP is viewed so negatively by so many people. Those who feel the direct negative effects of their policies have quickly woken up and the PAP leadership gives us the impression that they don't know how to steer us to a better future.
The opposition has been able to recruit some very good people and make this look like a battle between a group of "yes-men" and passionate people motivated by the need for change.
Many people find the PAP recent move to hike ministers' pay repulsive given many Singaporeans are struggling to cope with the high cost of living. The PAP has a few fallbacks when things are not going their way - the mainstream propaganda machine, upgrading carrots and long term track record.
When voters are not so sure, the PAP will use their propaganda to say " see how far we have taken Singapore from fishing village to a world class city". These days economic miracles are not so uncommon and unique. We have Taiwan, South Korea and numerous cities in China that have grown rapidly.
For many Singaporeans, living in an expensive city with a 3rd world wage structure means that life is tough perpetual struggle. WP's vision of a 1st world parliament that would bring about 1st world quality of life and 1st world schemes for healthcare, housing and transport is appealing to voters.
PAP's attacks on WP\'s vision without creating a worthy vision of their own send a strong message that their main interest is to preserve the status quo...a status quo that fewer and fewer Singaporeans want for themselves and their children .
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=3in1kopitiam&msg=48544.1
forums.delphiforums.com
watch this...typical pappies arrogance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded)
It is particularly infuriating to hear time and again that the incumbent promises lift upgrading for the residents should they be elected. They have $$ to 'buy' votes. This is disgusting. How many more times can they use this? All new flats have lift access to every level. Only buildings older than 15 years old will need it and many have already been upgraded! What's next?
It is particularly infuriating to hear time and again that the incumbent promises lift upgrading for the residents should they be elected. They have $$ to 'buy' votes. This is disgusting. How many more times can they use this? All new flats have lift access to every level. Only buildings older than 15 years old will need it and many have already been upgraded! What's next?
It is about time the incumbent stops using upgrading of HDB (be it lift, main, interim or whatever) for political leverage. It is insulting to the intelligence of the younger generation of voters. There are still some flats that are awaiting upgrading but they will be fewer in the coming elections. So the incumbent should be looking beyond this election. Since they are already looking beyond and fielding so many new candidates, please wake up and see that the old ruses won't work so well any more.
If I were a resident of Potong Pasir, I would be much more impressed if Sitoh came out and said the the estate would be upgraded no matter if PAP or the Opposition win.
It is particularly infuriating to hear time and again that the incumbent promises lift upgrading for the residents should they be elected. They have $$ to 'buy' votes. This is disgusting. How many more times can they use this? All new flats have lift access to every level. Only buildings older than 15 years old will need it and many have already been upgraded! What's next?
This is really call raiding the reserves.
watch this...typical pappies arrogance...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded
This is a typical PAP threat and testing Singaporeans weakness of character.
didn't you guys notice the change in tune by PAP in today's papers?
"GE not about winning arguments: PM Lee". What can we infer? That PAP expects to lose ground on the debate over hot issues posed by the opposition?
devilplate
25-04-11, 12:00
didn't you guys notice the change in tune by PAP in today's papers?
"GE not about winning arguments: PM Lee". What can we infer? That PAP expects to lose ground on the debate over hot issues posed by the opposition?
not a comprehension test again? :doh:
didn't you guys notice the change in tune by PAP in today's papers?
"GE not about winning arguments: PM Lee". What can we infer? That PAP expects to lose ground on the debate over hot issues posed by the opposition?
This is why their manifesto only 13 pages with general and vague policies and plans for next 5 years.
Throws up more questions than answers.
They need to find another James Gomez to talk about to eat up campaign time.
Wong Kan Seng forgot ICA under him let in hordes of FTs / PRs / New Citizens.
Not all add value.
It is not just about Mas Selemat screw up alone.
devilplate
25-04-11, 12:06
Wong Kan Seng forgot ICA under him let in hordes of FTs / PRs / New Citizens.
Not all add value.
It is not just about Mas Selemat screw up alone.
totally agree not all adds value....but if they dun let them in at all...who is gg to rent my ppty!!:p
all about balancing....which is subjective to individual's tolerance and perception
totally agree not all adds value....but if they dun let them in at all...who is gg to rent my ppty!!:p
all about balancing....which is subjective to individual's tolerance and perception
I agree about rentals of property but I started recently to think outside this box.
I am not greedy person, as long got people rent my place at normal rate, I am happy. Maybe because I already retired so not so anxious about money.
I voting for my children and grandchildren future as well.
There'll always be a rental demand. Just whether we can wait or not! If can hold, then just wait lor.
devilplate
25-04-11, 12:21
There'll always be a rental demand. Just whether we can wait or not! If can hold, then just wait lor.
its not about waiting time....its about the rental price
u can ask sky high rental for few yrs and nobody is gona rent ut apt...
even during worse times.....can find tenant asap which solely depends on ur asking rent.....$1 anyone? hehe LOL
its not about waiting time....its about the rental price
u can ask sky high rental for few yrs and nobody is gona rent ut apt...
even during worse times.....can find tenant asap which solely depends on ur asking rent.....$1 anyone? hehe LOL$1, I'll take! How many units do you have? :D
devilplate
25-04-11, 12:27
I agree about rentals of property but I started recently to think outside this box.
I am not greedy person, as long got people rent my place at normal rate, I am happy. Maybe because I already retired so not so anxious about money.
I voting for my children and grandchildren future as well.
hard to strike a balance rite?
different ppl got different goals....so how to measure every individual's tolerance and perception level?
hard to strike a balance rite?
different ppl got different goals....so how to measure every individual's tolerance and perception level?
Agree.
Just explaining my angle.
How about a breakdown of the industries & percentage of locals employed to convince the voters? :beats-me-man:
(http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1124622/1/.html)
GE: SM Goh on opposition proposal on manufacturing sector (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1124622/1/.html)
Posted: 24 April 2011 2326 hrs
SINGAPORE: Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong has commented on claims by a member of the opposition that Singapore should move away from manufacturing towards services such as education, health, IT and financial sectors.
In his Facebook - MParader, Mr Goh said it will not be easy for the 420,000 blue-collar workers currently in manufacturing to move into white-collar jobs in these sectors.
In his first comments on the issue, Mr Goh said the topic will make for a good debate on economic restructuring.
But he cautioned that Singapore needs to think before deciding on such an idea.
He also said such a switch may even mean opening more integrated resorts for jobs.
The post by Mr Goh on the MParader has generated many comments from netizens.
One even suggested that the topic be discussed in Parliament as a matter of national interest.
- CNA/ir
No end to the argument! What's the basis of the comments? Close down manufacture sector? The demand from manufacturing sector will always be present unless we can fill in the gap from foreigners! Where to stop? Can't quite follow!
You can also ask Election Dept and any political party this question as a concern voter.
6 months or not, I believe vote is secret because of living examples of civil servants and grassroots who voted Opposition and nothing happen to them.
They still get promoted as usual.
Some in PAP even voted Opposition before because they join just for networking purposes, climb the ladder and dislike some policies.
Sorry, can't do as you ask as I am not voter.
The point that you mentioned about civil servants who voted opposition and nothing happen to them, what do you by nothing happened? Is denying a promotion means also nothing happened? How can a person proof or disproof that voting for opposition cause him not to be promoted.
If the government would fix every civil servant who voted opposition, then people would know that votes are not secret, which is of course not good for image of democracy and their image also.
My take is they would fix a few, not all. and spread rumors, which they would then rebut.
in fact, this is a short article on defeating seals.Please take the time to read
http://www.keeptrackusa.com/pdf/seals.pdf
http://www.lanl.gov/news/releases/archive/97-020.shtml
or google articles by Roger G. Johnston
Anybody has an image of the seals they use to lock up the voting slips?
Anybody has an image of previous voting slips ? can take home right?
I believed your votes are not a secret.
How about a breakdown of the industries & percentage of locals employed to convince the voters? :beats-me-man:
GE: SM Goh on opposition proposal on manufacturing sector (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1124622/1/.html)
Posted: 24 April 2011 2326 hrs
SINGAPORE: Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong has commented on claims by a member of the opposition that Singapore should move away from manufacturing towards services such as education, health, IT and financial sectors.
In his Facebook - MParader, Mr Goh said it will not be easy for the 420,000 blue-collar workers currently in manufacturing to move into white-collar jobs in these sectors.
In his first comments on the issue, Mr Goh said the topic will make for a good debate on economic restructuring.
But he cautioned that Singapore needs to think before deciding on such an idea.
He also said such a switch may even mean opening more integrated resorts for jobs.
The post by Mr Goh on the MParader has generated many comments from netizens.
One even suggested that the topic be discussed in Parliament as a matter of national interest.
- CNA/ir
There are so many issues at stake to convince voters.
Everyone is different.
Just pick the issues closest to your heart.
PAP does not seem to realise this yet.
Making personal attacks on Opposition does not help solve issues.
Sorry, can't do as you ask as I am not voter.
The point that you mentioned about civil servants who voted opposition and nothing happen to them, what do you by nothing happened? Is denying a promotion means also nothing happened? How can a person proof or disproof that voting for opposition cause him not to be promoted.
If the government would fix every civil servant who voted opposition, then people would know that votes are not secret, which is of course not good for image of democracy and their image also.
My take is they would fix a few, not all. and spread rumors, which they would then rebut.
in fact, this is a short article on defeating seals.Please take the time to read
http://www.keeptrackusa.com/pdf/seals.pdf
or google articles by Roger G. Johnston
Anybody has an image of the seals they use to lock up the voting slips?
Anybody has an image of previous voting slips ? can take home right?
I believed your votes are not a secret.
Since you are not a voter, I presume you are a foreigner.
I am not sure, but there are election rules with penalties that forbids foreigners from indulging and participating in elections in any form including making comments on elections that will influence the result.
You can don't believe vote is secret and it is your right but keep it to yourself or you might be deem as influencing election results.
I am Singaporean and I believe vote is secret base on live examples of people I know. Full stop.
Cheers
Since you are not a voter, I presume you are a foreigner.
I am not sure, but there are election rules with penalties that forbids foreigners from indulging and participating in elections in any form including making comments on elections that will influence the result.
You can don't believe vote is secret and it is your right but keep it to yourself or you might be deem as influencing election results.
I am Singaporean and I believe vote is secret base on live examples of people I know. Full stop.
Cheers
have you read the articles?
either you have not read the articles or you are a speed reader :), based on timings of postings
have you read the articles?
either you have not read the articles or you are a speed reader :), based on timings of postings
Yep, I skimmed through but the title already indicate it is using USA as point of reference.
This is Singapore and I believe my live examples and I believe in the integrity of the election system.
I have no doubts about it and I am a stubborn old man.
Cheers.
Yep, I skimmed through but the title already indicate it is using USA as point of reference.
This is Singapore and I believe my live examples and I believe in the integrity of the election system.
I have no doubts about it and I am a stubborn old man.
Cheers.
what has USA got to do with anything?
The researchers test many many seals in the market and defeated all of them, all with commonly used tools. Not being a security expert myself, I don't think Singapore seals are any different from USA seals, infact they maybe imported from USA.:).
But why do they need 6 months to wait to dispose? Since you are so much older, has anybody contest the election results after 6 months in Singapore history? My take is they need 6 months to scan, using OCR or if have barcode even easier.
Just being logical here. Do they need 6 months to form a government?
But funny leh, you believe in integrity of election system, but don't believe in integrity of current government, and it is current government who appoint the election comission, which of course decides on the election system.
Yep, I skimmed through but the title already indicate it is using USA as point of reference.
This is Singapore and I believe my live examples and I believe in the integrity of the election system.
I have no doubts about it and I am a stubborn old man.
Cheers.
definitely u are one becos u have ONLY one goal -> GO AGAINST PAP AT ALL COST!!!!
You think Mr Funny is pro-PAP? did he so far only post MSM news? got post Opposition replies on Straits Times or not in this forum?
what has USA got to do with anything?
The researchers test many many seals in the market and defeated all of them, all with commonly used tools. Not being a security expert myself, I don't think Singapore seals are any different from USA seals, infact they maybe imported from USA.:).
But why do they need 6 months to wait to dispose? Since you are so much older, has anybody contest the election results after 6 months in Singapore history? My take is they need 6 months to scan, using OCR or if have barcode even easier.
Just being logical here. Do they need 6 months to form a government?
But funny leh, you believe in integrity of election system, but don't believe in integrity of current government, and it is current government who appoint the election comission, which of course decides on the election system.
Voting more Opposition in is not about integrity alone.
It is about policy making, accountability, responsibility and transparency.
Integrity alone would need a system of checks and balances to sustain the integrity.
This is the same concept of having police, auditors, more than one vendor in purchasing process, counter-signatures etc.
Humans when left alone have integrity but system also need to show output to prove that the integrity had been executed.
Regulators
25-04-11, 20:23
Agree on the integrity part. How can a parliamentary system have any integrity with just two opposition members? Tell this to people from other countries and they will say our system is a mockery of democracy. It is true that singapore has evolved very differently from other countries, but if we can't say that we follow westminster style of government and discourage adversarial system of parliament, just doesn't make any sense to me
Geylang OKT
25-04-11, 22:34
GE: PAP questions Wijeysingha's political agenda in light of video
By Hoe Yeen Nie | Posted: 25 April 2011 2159 hrs
SINGAPORE: The People's Action Party (PAP) team contesting in Holland-Bukit Timah GRC has called on Dr Vincent Wijeysingha of the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) to be upfront about his political motives.
The call was made in a joint statement issued by Dr Vivian Balakrishnan, Mr Liang Eng Hwa, Mr Christopher de Souza and Ms Sim Ann.
The PAP team is referring to a YouTube video allegedly showing Dr Wijeysingha at a forum to discuss the repeal of Section 377A of the Penal Code that criminalises sex between men.
The quality of the video is not clear, but according to the statement, the discussion touched on sex with boys and whether the age of consent should be 14.
The statement said Dr Wijeysingha was introduced in the video as being from the SDP and quoted him saying the gay community could consider how it can address "the 377 issue" and other issues of gay rights.
In the statement, the PAP team said candidates must be upfront about their political agenda so that voters can make an informed choice.
It said Dr Wijeysingha's sexual orientation is not the issue, but the video raises the question if he will pursue the gay cause in the political arena.
The team also wants SDP to state its position on the matter.
When contacted, SDP's Dr James Gomez said the party is aware of the statement and will be responding to what it calls "PAP's smear tactics of discrimination and divisiveness".
- CNA/ir
See this video below:
http://www.youtube.com/v/gW9O_FhFFQM
GE: PAP questions Wijeysingha's political agenda in light of video
By Hoe Yeen Nie | Posted: 25 April 2011 2159 hrs
SINGAPORE: The People's Action Party (PAP) team contesting in Holland-Bukit Timah GRC has called on Dr Vincent Wijeysingha of the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) to be upfront about his political motives.
The call was made in a joint statement issued by Dr Vivian Balakrishnan, Mr Liang Eng Hwa, Mr Christopher de Souza and Ms Sim Ann.
The PAP team is referring to a YouTube video allegedly showing Dr Wijeysingha at a forum to discuss the repeal of Section 377A of the Penal Code that criminalises sex between men.
The quality of the video is not clear, but according to the statement, the discussion touched on sex with boys and whether the age of consent should be 14.
The statement said Dr Wijeysingha was introduced in the video as being from the SDP and quoted him saying the gay community could consider how it can address "the 377 issue" and other issues of gay rights.
In the statement, the PAP team said candidates must be upfront about their political agenda so that voters can make an informed choice.
It said Dr Wijeysingha's sexual orientation is not the issue, but the video raises the question if he will pursue the gay cause in the political arena.
The team also wants SDP to state its position on the matter.
When contacted, SDP's Dr James Gomez said the party is aware of the statement and will be responding to what it calls "PAP's smear tactics of discrimination and divisiveness".
- CNA/ir
See this video below:
http://www.youtube.com/v/gW9O_FhFFQM (http://www.youtube.com/v/gW9O_FhFFQM)
Not very clear.
Vincent attending a support group to discuss a government policy which was already furiously debated in Parliament before and supported by PAP MP Baey Yam Keng to repeal it before.
So what is the fault here and how does it connect to our bread & butter issues ?
Geylang OKT
25-04-11, 22:52
Not very clear.
Vincent attending a support group to discuss a government policy which was already furiously debated in Parliament before and supported by PAP MP Baey Yam Keng to repeal it before.
So what is the fault here and how does it connect to our bread & butter issues ?
Why ask me? I am just posting election news snippets like what you are doing. Why so sensitive leh? :D :D :D
devilplate
25-04-11, 23:00
Why ask me? I am just posting election news snippets like what you are doing. Why so sensitive leh? :D :D :D
he bey song u come and disturb his thread....LOL
Geylang OKT
25-04-11, 23:08
he bey song u come and disturb his thread....LOL
Heheheheheeh :D :D :D
Wonder if pap loose aljunied grc, will they cancel the downtown line 3 project or not haa haa...or maybe reroute the line to avoid that grc haa haa :beats-me-man:
devilplate
25-04-11, 23:13
Wonder if pap loose aljunied grc, will they cancel the downtown line 3 project or not haa haa...or maybe reroute the line to avoid that grc haa haa :beats-me-man:
beware..... wenqing may say u fearmongering:hell-hath-no-fury:
ABOVE THE LAW: PAP PLANTS FLAGS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE
25 April 2011
PAP flags have been sighted all over Singapore even though the law states that they may only be displayed after Nomination Day
By Wayne Sim
http://i51.tinypic.com/r1zyj7.jpg
In yet another poignant illustration of how skewed the political playing field is in Singapore, the ruling PAP has begun planting thousands of party flags all over the country – even though the Parliamentary Elections Act clearly stipulates that political parties may only begin displaying its banners after Nomination Day. Under the definitions spelt out in the Act, party flags are considered ‘banners’.
The first sightings of PAP flags were recorded as early as April 22 – five days ahead of Nomination Day on April 27.
At Block 140, Tampines Ave 2, some 20 to 30 PAP flags line a street not even a few hundred meters long. An irate resident subsequently took photos of these flags – which have been erected at carparks and playgrounds alike, and posted it on his blog. Similar sightings have also been reported at Marsiling Drive and other venues.
No opposition parties have begun displaying their flags or banners in public, for the obvious reason that they would almost certainly face prosecution for contravening the law.
The PAP, however, is clearly above the law – something that Singaporeans have grown accustomed to.
In 1997, opposition politician J B Jeyaretnam filed a police report against PAP candidates Goh Chok Tong, Lee Hsien Loong and Tony Tan Keng Yam for campaigning inside polling centres located in the hotly-contested Cheng San GRC on Polling Day. The Parliamentary Elections Act stipulates that candidates are not allowed to loiter “in any street or public place within a radius of 200 metres of any polling station on Polling Day”.
The then-Attorney General (now Chief Justice), Chan Sek Keong, who had to investigate the case, demonstrated his legal creativity by finding that the PAP candidates had no case to answer because they were not loitering within a 200-metre radius of the polling centres by virtue of actually being inside them.
Meanwhile, irate netizens have posted comments on various forums asking whether it is an offence to remove the PAP flags. Others have called for PAP candidates in the respective constituencies to be disqualified.
–
The writer is a Staff Writer at The Satay Club. He is also final-year law undergraduate at a reputable university in Australia. He returns to Singapore at least twice a year.
devilplate
25-04-11, 23:25
sidetrack abit
heard obama appoint back all the previous key appt holders tat mess up/create subprime crisis.....any comments.....SCARY:scared-3:
and so far, i dun see any major reform taking shape after obama administration:hell-hath-no-fury:
its not about waiting time....its about the rental price
u can ask sky high rental for few yrs and nobody is gona rent ut apt...
even during worse times.....can find tenant asap which solely depends on ur asking rent.....$1 anyone? hehe LOL
Totally agree with the above. I don't like to leave my pty vacant during bad times. Would rather have a tenant with a low rent than an empty house.
Wonder if pap loose aljunied grc, will they cancel the downtown line 3 project or not haa haa...or maybe reroute the line to avoid that grc haa haa :beats-me-man:
boo our friend will brand you fearmongering. I had the similar fear for the Thomson Line going through Bishan since the stations are not announced yet and our friend labelled me as a fearmonger. We shall see.
Why ask me? I am just posting election news snippets like what you are doing. Why so sensitive leh? :D :D :D
Haha good one:D :D :D This thread only allow to post pro-opp articles anything tiny dust that touch his pro-opp will be seriously dealt with:D
sidetrack abit
heard obama appoint back all the previous key appt holders tat mess up/create subprime crisis.....any comments.....SCARY:scared-3:
and so far, i dun see any major reform taking shape after obama administration:hell-hath-no-fury:
Americans want change mah. I don think Obama had better manage than bush he made US poorer:doh: this is risk of change.
devilplate
26-04-11, 08:26
for u guys tat tink US president's salary is damn low....
u duno wats ugly....
Wonder if pap loose aljunied grc, will they cancel the downtown line 3 project or not haa haa...or maybe reroute the line to avoid that grc haa haa :beats-me-man:
confirmed delay if opposition take over aljunied.
called me shallow? But it will be a fact isn't :tongue3:
for u guys tat tink US president's salary is damn low....
u duno wats ugly....
My american friends told me things that are ugly too.. haiya only S'pore govt so TRANSPARENT will tell everyone who earn how much! They deserved to kena hamtum for their stupidity! :p
confirmed delay if opposition take over aljunied.
called me shallow? But it will be a fact isn't :tongue3:Well apart from all the negative publicity for PAP, one positive stands out. Desmond Choo promised Hougang residents that whether he's elected or not, he'll ensure that Hougang residents get the much desired upgrading over next 5 years! :spliff: A good start!
Interestingly, when PAP kana whacked for TPL, they must also whack someone and so now start talking abt gay issues??? :tsk-tsk:
The Reform Party is heartened by the recent stay of execution granted to Yong Vui Kong, a convicted drug trafficker, pending a final appeal. However his chances of a reprieve are slim since the law prescribes the mandatory death penalty for anyone convicted of bringing more than 15g of heroin into Singapore.
Singapore’s use of the mandatory death penalty for drug trafficking offences is out of step with its aspiration to be a first-world nation and has no place in a civilized society. Those executed have been overwhelmingly from the poorer, more vulnerable sections of society and in several disturbing cases (e.g., Iwuchukwu Amara Tochio) they do not appear to have had any knowledge of what they were transporting. The Reform Party calls for the abolition of the death penalty for drug trafficking offences and, in Yong Vui Kong’s case, for the commutation of his sentence to a lengthy prison term. There is no evidence that the death sentence has more of a deterrent effect than a life sentence.
I personally am against the use of the death penalty in all but the most extreme circumstances. Once carried out, it is impossible to reverse and give life back to someone who has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice whereas other penalties permit the possibility of redress. I recall the case of Zainal Kuning, Mohammed Bashir Ismail and Salahuddin Ismail who confessed to a murder in 1989 and would have been convicted and sentenced to death at their trial in 1992 were it not for my father’s, the late J.B. Jeyaretnam, efforts in forcing the prosecution to re-examine the physical evidence and reveal that it implicated another individual and not his clients. If they had been executed and subsequently it had been discovered that another person was guilty of the crime it would have been too late to make amends and for justice to be served.
Kenneth Jeyaretnam
Secretary-General
The Reform Party
Well apart from all the negative publicity for PAP, one positive stands out. Desmond Choo promised Hougang residents that whether he's elected or not, he'll ensure that Hougang residents get the much desired upgrading over next 5 years! :spliff: A good start!
Interestingly, when PAP kana whacked for TPL, they must also whack someone and so now start talking abt gay issues??? :tsk-tsk:
ya ppl whacked TPL for lavish-no brainer, so PAP whacked Vincent is a gay.
Haiya just admit you are a gay then PAP cannot do anything already lor
devilplate
26-04-11, 10:02
i mentioned earlier our laws on drugs r super tight den many 1st world countries....
devilplate
26-04-11, 10:03
ya ppl whacked TPL for lavish-no brainer, so PAP whacked Vincent is a gay.
Haiya just admit you are a gay then PAP cannot do anything already lor
i dun tink i am ok wif a gay politician.....ask him do other job if he really is gay:p
i dun tink i am ok wif a gay politician.....ask him do other job if he really is gay:p
I'm not for gay also... but between a gay politician and someone who allows the YOG budget to burst from $180m to $300over million... which is the lesser of the 2 evils?
And this person has "A" team of scholars, all the high level civil servant who might be getting $40k/mth to help manage the budget, forecast etc. And why still overrun by so much? What are these people doing?
devilplate
26-04-11, 11:01
I'm not for gay also... but between a gay politician and someone who allows the YOG budget to burst from $180m to $300over million... which is the lesser of the 2 evils?
And this person has "A" team of scholars, all the high level civil servant who might be getting $40k/mth to help manage the budget, forecast etc. And why still overrun by so much? What are these people doing?
SG ever first YOG wor....u saw how grand the open and closing ceremony was?? machiam olympic standard liao:D
but seriously, its very dangerous to compare who is worse....both shd b out! LOL:hell-hath-no-fury:
I'm not for gay also... but between a gay politician and someone who allows the YOG budget to burst from $180m to $300over million... which is the lesser of the 2 evils?
And this person has "A" team of scholars, all the high level civil servant who might be getting $40k/mth to help manage the budget, forecast etc. And why still overrun by so much? What are these people doing?
why u always make such extreme comparison? there is no end. to me a gay is disgusting figure and not acceptable in today society. so u are saying u are ok with gay!!! :hell-hath-no-fury:
I'm not for gay also... but between a gay politician and someone who allows the YOG budget to burst from $180m to $300over million... which is the lesser of the 2 evils?
And this person has "A" team of scholars, all the high level civil servant who might be getting $40k/mth to help manage the budget, forecast etc. And why still overrun by so much? What are these people doing? YOG "A" Star cockup, wonder how he manage to get blank cheque for over run. Normally, gahmen quite strict, budget mean die die must stick to it. Heard even if overbudget also problem - mean planning cockup.
tat vincent really stupid. this is not western country why he want to publicly encouraging gay :doh: he is quite good calibre but.......sigh....
devilplate
26-04-11, 11:10
YOG "A" Star cockup, wonder how he manage to get blank cheque for over run. Normally, gahmen quite strict, budget mean die die must stick to it. Heard even if overbudget also problem - mean planning cockup.
as i mentioned.....die die must make it grand grand!! good publicity for SG.....i dun mind they blow up the budget actually:hell-hath-no-fury: :ashamed1:
SG ever first YOG wor....u saw how grand the open and closing ceremony was?? machiam olympic standard liao:D
but seriously, its very dangerous to compare who is worse....both shd b out! LOL:hell-hath-no-fury:
ok dun bash me... actually for a 1st time event it can be easily over budgeted because alot of last min stuffs which suddenly are necessary but when doing budgeting overlooked because there were no previous benchmark... I have alot of such cases when doing events. :ashamed1: But it really happens! So were it really exceed or it was a poor estimation in the initial stage? :2cents:
tat vincent really stupid. this is not western country why he want to publicly encouraging gay :doh: he is quite good calibre but.......sigh....
He is a gay what! Definitely have unique and creative thinking, think out of the BOX/country/asia :D
ok dun bash me... actually for a 1st time event it can be easily over budgeted because alot of last min stuffs which suddenly are necessary but when doing budgeting overlooked because there were no previous benchmark... I have alot of such cases when doing events. :ashamed1: But it really happens! So were it really exceed or it was a poor estimation in the initial stage? :2cents:
agree!! but some ppl think is easy to do wor........
as i mentioned.....die die must make it grand grand!! good publicity for SG.....i dun mind they blow up the budget actually:hell-hath-no-fury: :ashamed1: Personally, the worst debacle of the YOG may not be the $. This one is the worst in my opinion. Many volunteer their time, efforts to do Singapore proud and this have to happen ( no personal touch and sincerity in thanking ):
Wonder who bear the cost of redoing the certificates again? Part of the exploded budget?
YOG committee apologises for error in certificates
By Evelyn Choo | Posted: 23 September 2010 1954 hrs http://www.channelnewsasia.com/imagegallery/store/phpfHjXJ6.jpg
SINGAPORE: The organising committee of the Youth Olympic Games (SYOGOC) has admitted to an error in the certificates issued to participants and volunteers.
Approximately 45,000 certificates bore sample signatures of the committee chairman and International Olympic Committee President Jacques Rogge instead of the actual ones.
The samples were used as place holders during the design process, and were sent to the printing firm by mistake.
The committee says there was an oversight in the checking process and has apologised for the incident.
It will be contacting the respective organisations, participants and volunteers to send them the new certificates by December.
They can also contact the organising committee at
[email protected].
- CNA/fa
because talk is cheap, say only mah no need to be responsible, he do not I do! Why dun criticize??! :p
Personally, the worst debacle of the YOG may not be the $. This one is the worst in my opinion. Many volunteer their time, efforts to do Singapore proud and this have to happen ( no personal touch and sincerity in thanking ):
Wonder who bear the cost of redoing the certificates again? Part of the exploded budget?
YOG committee apologises for error in certificates
By Evelyn Choo | Posted: 23 September 2010 1954 hrs http://www.channelnewsasia.com/imagegallery/store/phpfHjXJ6.jpg
SINGAPORE: The organising committee of the Youth Olympic Games (SYOGOC) has admitted to an error in the certificates issued to participants and volunteers.
Approximately 45,000 certificates bore sample signatures of the committee chairman and International Olympic Committee President Jacques Rogge instead of the actual ones.
The samples were used as place holders during the design process, and were sent to the printing firm by mistake.
The committee says there was an oversight in the checking process and has apologised for the incident.
It will be contacting the respective organisations, participants and volunteers to send them the new certificates by December.
They can also contact the organising committee at
[email protected].
- CNA/fa
see..really so unforgiving right? give chance lah, who nvr committed error wor somemore 1st time? :tongue3:
if let Worker's Party do the event you think it will be BETTER? or you will be more forgiving? :cool:
I'm not for gay also... but between a gay politician and someone who allows the YOG budget to burst from $180m to $300over million... which is the lesser of the 2 evils?
And this person has "A" team of scholars, all the high level civil servant who might be getting $40k/mth to help manage the budget, forecast etc. And why still overrun by so much? What are these people doing?
To me, being gay is not the issue. Its his stand to repeal Section 377A of the Penal Code that criminalises sex between men which I take issue with. As a parent of 2 boys, I will not condone any measures which is in favour of homo***uality. Its unnatural and man is never intended to have *** with another man :tsk-tsk: If bursting budget can even be considered as `evil' in the first place (miss planning more like it), *** between man surely ranks higher on the `evil' list...
SDP can say/ claim all they want. At the end of the day, it doesnt change the conviction of the man, especially if it affects the man personally and criminally.
Bishan Kid
26-04-11, 11:43
Not only the Penal code section 377, the most disgusting is about whether the age of consent should be 14.
IIRC, the 2 beneficiaries of the blown YOG budget is Singtel & Singapore Food Industries. :D
proud owner
26-04-11, 13:30
Well apart from all the negative publicity for PAP, one positive stands out. Desmond Choo promised Hougang residents that whether he's elected or not, he'll ensure that Hougang residents get the much desired upgrading over next 5 years! :spliff: A good start!
Interestingly, when PAP kana whacked for TPL, they must also whack someone and so now start talking abt gay issues??? :tsk-tsk:
wow
there are really spies in this forum
i mentioned last week that PAP should upgrade HDB by age of the flats and not whether they win the wards or not ... so as to gain favor of the people
straight away got PAP candidate used my point ..
next ... opp wards should pay tax to their MP ..to upgrade their own constituency ...heheh lets see
why u always make such extreme comparison? there is no end. to me a gay is disgusting figure and not acceptable in today society. so u are saying u are ok with gay!!! :hell-hath-no-fury:
See my nick? :D
No way am I ok with gay!! I cannot stand gay also and neither do I treat them like "sister"
But CSJ has publicly said that if they are voted in, they will not seek to repeal this act and even if they do, they will not get majority approval in parliament, I, for one, do not agree with this repeal also.
But being gay doesnt mean he cannot make be a politician, just like steve chia who has "weird" habits.
Cost overrun is forgivable if by a bit, but by such an astronomical overrun, its ridiculous especially as they are supposedly people who are smart and so well paid to run the country. Do you think such overruns are forgivable in private sector? These people will have been sacked already instead of still earning their million dollar salary
proud owner
26-04-11, 13:31
To me, being gay is not the issue. Its his stand to repeal Section 377A of the Penal Code that criminalises sex between men which I take issue with. As a parent of 2 boys, I will not condone any measures which is in favour of homo***uality. Its unnatural and man is never intended to have *** with another man :tsk-tsk: If bursting budget can even be considered as `evil' in the first place (miss planning more like it), *** between man surely ranks higher on the `evil' list...
SDP can say/ claim all they want. At the end of the day, it doesnt change the conviction of the man, especially if it affects the man personally and criminally.
out of curiousity ... what about 2 girls having sxx with each other ??
:) :)
Next time if you burst your budget by a few times, try telling your boss, "Its an honest mistake, let's move on" and see whether you still have your job or not....just my :2cents:
out of curiousity ... what about 2 girls having sxx with each other ??
:) :)
No lesbianism as well.... God created man and woman for each other and not man-man or woman-woman....:tsk-tsk:
proud owner
26-04-11, 13:34
See my nick? :D
No way am I ok with gay!! I cannot stand gay also and neither do I treat them like "sister"
But CSJ has publicly said that if they are voted in, they will not seek to repeal this act and even if they do, they will not get majority approval in parliament, I, for one, do not agree with this repeal also.
But being gay doesnt mean he cannot make be a politician, just like steve chia who has "weird" habits.
Cost overrun is forgivable if by a bit, but by such an astronomical overrun, its ridiculous especially as they are supposedly people who are smart and so well paid to run the country. Do you think such overruns are forgivable in private sector? These people will have been sacked already instead of still earning their million dollar salary
GAY = same *** ...
how come people only talks abt guy and guy ... what about gal and gal
i also cannot tahan ... be it guy guy or gal gal ,...
so lets be fair ... we shouldnt allow girl girl too ...
equally disgusting
proud owner
26-04-11, 13:36
whoever that Opp guy is ...
he should not talk about the guy guy
he should contest the law ...why punish only man man and girl girl get away with it ..
not only is it unfair .. it is discriminative ..
he should bang on that law .. not about allowing it
If he lost, you think his Master will agree! :D
Well apart from all the negative publicity for PAP, one positive stands out. Desmond Choo promised Hougang residents that whether he's elected or not, he'll ensure that Hougang residents get the much desired upgrading over next 5 years! :spliff: A good start!
Interestingly, when PAP kana whacked for TPL, they must also whack someone and so now start talking abt gay issues??? :tsk-tsk:
proud owner
26-04-11, 13:40
If he lost, you think his Master will agree! :D
haahhahaha
so at the end of the day .... the people still not getting their HDB upgraded if they dont vote for PAP right ?
ahhahaha
LPPL ....
PAP needs to realise that they more they think they can push the people the more the people get pissed
If he lost, you think his Master will agree! :D
He will conveniently "vanish" into the background and be one of the banished and will not see him again in future elections especially as he made that statement about 4 room hdb flat being poor which irked alot of people
ya ppl whacked TPL for lavish-no brainer, so PAP whacked Vincent is a gay.
Haiya just admit you are a gay then PAP cannot do anything already lor
Another sodomy case in the making? :rolleyes:
Let's wait for so-called "John Tan" to upload more incriminating photos of VW, which he promise will be on Nomination Day. :doh:
Another sodomy case in the making? :rolleyes:
See my nick? :D
No way am I ok with gay!! I cannot stand gay also and neither do I treat them like "sister"
But CSJ has publicly said that if they are voted in, they will not seek to repeal this act and even if they do, they will not get majority approval in parliament, I, for one, do not agree with this repeal also.
But being gay doesnt mean he cannot make be a politician, just like steve chia who has "weird" habits.
Cost overrun is forgivable if by a bit, but by such an astronomical overrun, its ridiculous especially as they are supposedly people who are smart and so well paid to run the country. Do you think such overruns are forgivable in private sector? These people will have been sacked already instead of still earning their million dollar salary
so why must he still say "even if they do" Be firm, which direction are you in, tell the voters?!!! I vote you in and let you repeal it that I am worst than a gay because I become a stupid gay!!!
if EVERYTIME overrun is not forgivable BUT if a 1st time event and significant important event overrun CAN be forgivable according to my experience in private sector :cool:
Next time if you burst your budget by a few times, try telling your boss, "Its an honest mistake, let's move on" and see whether you still have your job or not....just my :2cents:
few times OUT, 1 time give chance.
Another sodomy case in the making? :rolleyes:
not in the making, thought Vincent is openly gay. It was published in ST quite some time ago that he is gay.
Provided the company doesn't close down because of it like Barings! :D
few times OUT, 1 time give chance.
not in the making, thought Vincent is openly gay. It was published in ST quite some time ago that he is gay.
really?? paste the article leh....show it to wenqing!!!!
out of curiousity ... what about 2 girls having sxx with each other ??
:) :)
Same view :tsk-tsk::tsk-tsk:
But why 377A only covers man-man, we really have to ask our colonial masters :)
Anyway, this is going to be an interesting election and its my GRC that they are contesting in.....at the end of the day, not that I'm taking sides, there are really bigger issues to worry about for Singapore than if the MP is gay or if somebody under-estimated the cost of a global event. Not that these issues are unimportant, imo, there are other platforms to debate those issues. To make them election issues, we are not doing justice to bigger national issues.
proud owner
26-04-11, 15:44
Same view :tsk-tsk::tsk-tsk:
But why 377A only covers man-man, we really have to ask our colonial masters :)
Anyway, this is going to be an interesting election and its my GRC that they are contesting in.....at the end of the day, not that I'm taking sides, there are really bigger issues to worry about for Singapore than if the MP is gay or if somebody under-estimated the cost of a global event. Not that these issues are unimportant, imo, there are other platforms to debate those issues. To make them election issues, we are not doing justice to bigger national issues.
i totally agree with you
this is just something someone put up to 'derail' whats impt
unfortunately alot of sporeans go for the little things .. when it comes to impt issues all shut up ...sigh
so what are impt to you ?
Let's be honest. As much as we think there are much bigger issues that deal with the country, there are also many small details and issues that affect probably only you but it is nonetheless vitally important to you.
Imagine the guy who cannot get a favorable reply from the relevant govt-funded agencies when he sought help on his escalating medical bill, or the guy whose request to the MP for help on some domestic issues did not receive even an acknowledgment from the MP? Inevitably, these individuals would consider twice as they go to the polls! :D
i totally agree with you
this is just something someone put up to 'derail' whats impt
unfortunately alot of sporeans go for the little things .. when it comes to impt issues all shut up ...sigh
so what are impt to you ?
impt issues are:
1) how to sustain spore grow for next 20~30 years with so many competitors coming out
2) spore being tiny with no natural resources, is very important to be well known in world map. so we must really go all out to do the best for everything(tats why overspend for YOG), then other countries will know abt us. so we need a capable team with high integrity to gain investor confidence
3) this generation start to lose our dialect. hope govt can do something to preserve our dialect or it will be lost in 2 generations
this is my take....high minister pay, overspend to me is secondary. we need a capable team!!
i totally agree with you
this is just something someone put up to 'derail' whats impt
unfortunately alot of sporeans go for the little things .. when it comes to impt issues all shut up ...sigh
so what are impt to you ?
I'm a simple man.
1) Singapore's long term relevance and security in the global context
2) Bread and butter issues for citizens
Its easy to identify the issues but more importantly, and herein lies the difficulties, formulating the solutions.
Imo, there are a lot of noises around but these are really just distractions. And these noises sometimes mask the real issues. I hope the govt can sieve out the real feedback from noises and really listen to the people's concerns and not brush it all away as noises.
Provided the company doesn't close down because of it like Barings! :D
pls lah I am talking about event costing even overrun also will not caused the co. to close down. Barings is because that guy speculating future contracts resulting losing $1.3 BILLION.
you want to change your name to "exaggerate" :p
How many companies can afford such overruns? :D
pls lah I am talking about event costing even overrun also will not caused the co. to close down. Barings is because that guy speculating future contracts resulting losing $1.3 BILLION. What event can caused 1.3 billion hah?
you want to change your name to "exaggerate" :p
devilplate
26-04-11, 16:28
How many companies can afford such overruns? :D
no point arguing lor....
yog is a national event wor...
most imptly, i tink yog is quite a success....;)
How many companies can afford such overruns? :D
as I said, overrun 1st time forgive him, but if another similar event and he overrun again HAMTUM him
no point arguing lor....
yog is a national event wor...
most imptly, i tink yog is quite a success....;)
if i can use MBT's analogy, won't this overrun be a raid on national reserves too?? since what is spent must come from somewhere.
devilplate
26-04-11, 17:30
if i can use MBT's analogy, won't this overrun be a raid on national reserves too?? since what is spent must come from somewhere.
Den tell the govt dun host yog lah.... Money come from smwhr wat.... Use all these money to help the poor best liao
as I said, overrun 1st time forgive him, but if another similar event and he overrun again HAMTUM him
could be the spending already under budget since is 1st time. agree with devilplate, the YOG is a success and it help promote spore to another level
Same view :tsk-tsk::tsk-tsk:
But why 377A only covers man-man, we really have to ask our colonial masters :)
Anyway, this is going to be an interesting election and its my GRC that they are contesting in.....at the end of the day, not that I'm taking sides, there are really bigger issues to worry about for Singapore than if the MP is gay or if somebody under-estimated the cost of a global event. Not that these issues are unimportant, imo, there are other platforms to debate those issues. To make them election issues, we are not doing justice to bigger national issues.
In the last GE, MIW concentrated full blast on that ex-WP's rep Gomez and end up neglecting just about everything. The finger pointing was so intense at that time that voters turned out disgusted by their behavior. The end result as we knew it was a costly percentile in terms of overall votes for MIW which ended at the satanic figure of 666. This time round if the entire MIW gonna spend the whole Election period blasting this Dr. Vincent on gay issues instead of really addressing more pressing issues like housing, transportation FT policies and inflation, they gonna repeat history once again. And judging by the enormous out roar of negativity online, they may probably lose a lot more seats than they expect as well.
Will the Lightning party play Dumb Ass twice? ;)
Why ask me? I am just posting election news snippets like what you are doing. Why so sensitive leh? :D :D :D
It is not sensitive but I think I asked a valid question.
What is the connection to bread & butter issues ?
see..really so unforgiving right? give chance lah, who nvr committed error wor somemore 1st time? :tongue3:
if let Worker's Party do the event you think it will be BETTER? or you will be more forgiving? :cool:
Nobody knows the answer.
Just like everyone default thought PAP million dollar worth of talents can produce anything but did not expect them to make same basic mistakes like underbudgeting and a huge one too as any other normal people.
Yep, let WP be government and organise first then judge.
Default judging that WP cannot produce anything is the same as default judging PAP can produce all things.
No track record yet better than poor track record.
wow
there are really spies in this forum
i mentioned last week that PAP should upgrade HDB by age of the flats and not whether they win the wards or not ... so as to gain favor of the people
straight away got PAP candidate used my point ..
next ... opp wards should pay tax to their MP ..to upgrade their own constituency ...heheh lets see
But all PAP areas prefer to follow this tactic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded)
Typical PAP upgrading and development threats to 'get' votes.
PAP has no other ways to 'win' votes.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/mp-visit-condo-102111528.html
Minister's 'town hall' visit to condo disappoints
THE MR MIYAGI COLUMN
I received a letter on Friday, 15 April 2011, from our condominium management. I thought it was probably about them fogging the place again and reminding us to close our windows.
The last time they fogged without telling us, some of us chucked a fit and said they should always tell us when something's going down.
It wasn't about fogging that the letter was trying to tell the residents of our small condo, but the impending visit of one of our Members of Parliament (MPs), the Minister for Information, Communications and the Arts (http://app.mica.gov.sg/), Rear Admiral Lui Tuck Yew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lui_Tuck_Yew).
The letter said there would be a "simple tea reception" served while Minister Lui was to speak and listen to the residents from 7:30pm on Saturday, so that he could "get to know the residents better and to seek their views and suggestions on local and national issues".
My wife and I were really excited. The only visit by government agents and officials we ever had were regular ones by the anti-mosquito-breeding squad of the National Environmental Agency (NEA (http://www.nea.gov.sg/)), and that was only because we had informed them two years earlier that our son suffered a bout of dengue.
Also, this was, after all, the Minister who said we did not need Freedom of Information legislation, because "the government already puts up a lot of information on its websites".
This was the Minister whose subordinate body, the National Arts Council (http://www.nac.gov.sg/), cut local theatre company Wild Rice's (http://www.wildrice.com.sg/) annual grant in 2010 by $20,000, because it "promoted alternative lifestyles, were critical of government policies and satirised political leaders". The move is now known in theatre circles as "Gahmen say Tuck Yew to the Arts".
This was the Minister who labelled the discontent and negative opinions regarding Tin Pei Ling's candidacy as "noise (http://twitter.com/search?q=%2523tinpeiling)".
We had to meet him.
We didn't harbour any unrealistic hopes, of course. Our condo consists of three blocks of three-storey walk-up apartments, and we were never holding out for lifts or covered walkways (though the owners are waiting for the elusive en-bloc offer).
My wife and I spent a few hours thinking of what national and local issues to talk to our Minister about.
This was our chance to tell him our troubles, even though we could always just pick up our phones or computers to email him (
[email protected]?subject=email%20subject).
The idea of a town hall-like meeting excited me, even if for our condo, the town hall was going to be the al-fresco (read: damn hot) common area by the poolside.
What would people say? What did our neighbours worry about? Would anyone heckle the Minister and ask him about his pay, we wondered.
We planned our evening to finish dinner by 7pm, bring the dog down for his pee and poo, and then spruce up a bit (wipe crumbs and other food debris off our son's face) and take a nice walk down to the poolside to meet with Minister Lui.
Hopes dashed
Like many best-laid plans, this was dashed when the Minister and some of his entourage arrived at 7:10 and milled along the driveway to the open car park.
They were chatting among themselves, presumably wondering where to begin because our condo's security guard had already gone home for the day, and wasn't able to tell the parliamentarian's people which block was which. They had, to my disappointment, opted for a door-stop visit instead of a townhall-like meeting.
(In case you're wondering, our condo's "security guard" "works" from 7am to 5pm on weekdays and 8am to 4pm on weekends)
I intercepted the group on our stairwell as I brought Mac, our nervous adopted Jack Russell Terrier, to water the plants. I said "hi" assertively, causing a few of what must have been about eight people to scramble through their clipboards, before I volunteered which unit my wife, son, dog, cat and I lived in.
The Minister was then guided to where I was, and he introduced himself as the MP for our area before I politely said I had to bring my dog for his own walkabout before he peed all over the PAP entourage.
The Minister said, "If he has to go, he has to go!"
I was relieved that Mac didn't do what some of our friends are familiar with -- this dog will pee on you just to show how much he loves / hates / is scared by / is in love with you -- and came back in a few minutes, in time to see how much progress the Minister had made in our block. No one else seemed to be at home, so I managed to squeeze in some conversation with the Minister.
In less than a minute, he asked me how many times a day I needed to walk Mac, I said twice, then he told me he once had a dog, a white samoyed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoyed_%28dog%29), which died at age 6 and a half, and that it was very unusual.
Then he asked what concerns I had living within this compound, and I said something to the effect of us having "some municipal issues (the dengue problem) which we have taken into our own hands (calling NEA)".
And that was that.
It was all over in a flash. I wasn't sure if he meant 6.5 dog or human years, or whether it was unusual because it died at 6.5 years or that it was an unusual dog, or that it was his opinion that the white samoyed, as a breed, was unusual. I didn't even get the dog's name.
By 7:39pm the Minister and his entourage had done their doorstop round and left our compound, walking down the quiet street towards the neighbouring houses and apartments. I'm sure if no one from our condo had spoken about the need for brighter street lights in our area, he'd have figured it out.
Pressed in my hand was a name card from the Minister, complete with a photo of him, and the address and timing of "MP Meet-the-People Session" at the local branch office. I didn't even remember him handing me the card.
It will have pride of place on my fridge door, alongside other contractors' calling cards. I might mistake it for an electrician's though, what with the logo and all.
Can't fault them for trying to make a fist of it. It's your turn, opposition candidates. Come visit our condo, because I think we still have food from the "tea-reception" they planned.
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http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3206341 (http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3206341)
http://thinkhappiness.blogspot.com/2011/04/pap-provokes-179-grow-and-share-package.html (http://thinkhappiness.blogspot.com/2011/04/pap-provokes-179-grow-and-share-package.html)
PAP supporter donates $179 of his Grow & Share package to SDP
PAP Provokes $179 Grow and Share Package For SDP
Ordinarily, I would rule out contributing to a party like the Singapore Democratic Party (http://yoursdp.org/). I still cannot forget how the then Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong was treated by one of its leaders (http://app2.mlaw.gov.sg/News/tabid/204/Default.aspx?ItemId=447).
My view is, whether or not we agree with the views of the party in power, the Prime Minister as head of the Executive deserves some level of respect and decorum. I also find unacceptable the past attempts of some SDP members to undermine the independence of the Singapore judiciary (http://www.agc.gov.sg/docs/MEDIABACKGROUNDBRIEF_Contempt_of_Court.pdf).
However, the circumstances set out in the letter below provoked me to do otherwise. As guardians of justice, members of the legal profession have a duty to protect and exemplify rules of fair play. I hope this helps to make a difference in building an inclusive secular Singapore.
I also take comfort in the fact that my PAP Member of Parliament (http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/content/cabinet/appointments/mr_tharman_shanmugaratnam.html) has responded swiftly to my feedback yesterday (http://thinkhappiness.blogspot.com/2011/04/appeal-for-clean-campaign.html) to express appreciation and offer empathy. No response has been received so far from the recipient of the letter below.
LETTER SENT TO LAWYER AND MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT CHRISTOPHER DE SOUZA ON 26 APRIL 2011
I write to you as a fellow Singaporean and particularly as a fellow member of our legal brethren in Singapore. I refer to your recent statement (http://www.asiaone.com/News/Elections/Story/A1Story20110425-275604.html), which in effect is a character attack on a person standing against you in the coming general elections.
I have no standing to address the rest of your team but I must add I am greatly disappointed that you agreed to sign such an unfortunate statement. It is reflective of a colonialist dark age which sought to divide and rule. It will hurt our society in the long run.
For someone who comes from a profession that is greatly inclusive and tolerant of diversity, I wished you had not done so.
I cannot hold you accountable for your views. That is the prerogative of your voters.
However, I think I have a duty to show that your views do not represent my views, as a member of the august fraternity we belong to and as a Singaporean.
The Singapore Government has announced a package, which will, among other things, provide cash hand-outs to Singaporeans. We have been encouraged to donate this money.
As I disagree with your unfortunate statement, I will donate (http://yoursdp.org/index.php/act-now/donate) $179 from the cash hand-out I am due to receive to the team that is running against you; $1 for each word that appears in your unfortunate statement.
I will encourage other members of our profession, who do not agree with your statement, to do the same.
Finally, I appeal to you to campaign respectfully and positively in this general elections. Let’s not divide our society more than it is already.
Happiness,
Dharmendra Yadav
In the last GE, MIW concentrated full blast on that ex-WP's rep Gomez and end up neglecting just about everything. The finger pointing was so intense at that time that voters turned out disgusted by their behavior. The end result as we knew it was a costly percentile in terms of overall votes for MIW which ended at the satanic figure of 666. This time round if the entire MIW gonna spend the whole Election period blasting this Dr. Vincent on gay issues instead of really addressing more pressing issues like housing, transportation FT policies and inflation, they gonna repeat history once again. And judging by the enormous out roar of negativity online, they may probably lose a lot more seats than they expect as well.
Will the Lightning party play Dumb Ass twice? ;)
This was because last GE 2006 PAP Manifesto only 7 pages long with general points and so PAP got no policies and no plans to eat up campaign time.
Finding someone like James Gomez administrative error to make it the most important election issue is for diversion and distraction tactic.
If talk about bread & butter issues, PAP sure will be on defensive and lose out.
This GE 2011 , PAP manifesto again 13 pages long with lots of pictures and vague general points. PAP will find another James Gomez to eat up campaigning time. This time is SDP Dr Vincent W.
With such manifestoes,no plans and no policies for next 5 years, PAP no longer take elections seriously, no longer take Singaporeans seriously, no longer take voters seriously and no longer take Parliament seriously.
Geylang OKT
27-04-11, 06:20
It is not sensitive but I think I asked a valid question.
What is the connection to bread & butter issues ?
Don't bother to ask me. I will not answer. :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:
Also, I am just irritating you like you are irritating countless other forumers here. Just go on posting your opposition troll postings can oredi :D :D :D
A 32 year old Singaporean Chinese man was arrested for posting online that he's gonna burn his voting slip on polling day. He also threatened to hurt some campaigning candidates.... :doh:
A 32 year old Singaporean Chinese man was arrested for posting online that he's gonna burn his voting slip on polling day. He also threatened to hurt some campaigning candidates.... :doh:
which one is he arrested for?
1) threaten to burn voting slip
2) threaten to hurt candidates
Den tell the govt dun host yog lah.... Money come from smwhr wat.... Use all these money to help the poor best liao
ya lah use all the reserve to help the poor, dun promote economy or do anything else, survive 5 years on own reserve, then say govt bankrupt ask other countries for loan, happy?:tongue1:
Nobody knows the answer.
Just like everyone default thought PAP million dollar worth of talents can produce anything but did not expect them to make same basic mistakes like underbudgeting and a huge one too as any other normal people.
Yep, let WP be government and organise first then judge.
Default judging that WP cannot produce anything is the same as default judging PAP can produce all things.
No track record yet better than poor track record.
you are obviously way biased till not objective and pro SINGAPORE at all! Let whole of WP be government?!!!
I am agreeable with voting 1~2 opposition (1 WP and 1 NSP/SPP) into Parliament to be the "alternative voice" so to pressurize PAP to wake up their idea but not the whole WP because some of the WP talents are not equivalent if not better than PAP talents.
No track record = scam companies!
which one is he arrested for?
1) threaten to burn voting slip
2) threaten to hurt candidatesThink its for the latter.
devilplate
27-04-11, 09:16
when u got nothing, u will vote for a change....
govt pls sell HDB to us at cost px(construction cost only)
pls cover all our medical fees
public tpt free for all citizens
create high paying good jobs for us
abolish COE and zero tax on cars (other countries car px 3 times cheaper)
impose income ceiling and set high min wage (income gap too wide now!)
no GST
no ERP
no income tax
no Pay and Pay!
only tax PR/foreigners!:cool:
Nobody knows the answer.
Just like everyone default thought PAP million dollar worth of talents can produce anything but did not expect them to make same basic mistakes like underbudgeting and a huge one too as any other normal people.
Yep, let WP be government and organise first then judge.
Default judging that WP cannot produce anything is the same as default judging PAP can produce all things.
No track record yet better than poor track record.
why want to change when a country is doing well? for excitement? for personal anger? or for your own desire? country like north korea should have change becos only the govt is living like king but ppl suffer like hell. does this scenario happening in spore? we are doing well with low umemployment, good ecnomic growth, stable govt, wat else do u want for? when ask whether can opp take over and run as well as now. u said even opp take over the policy will not change and country continue to run. if opp take over and run like the past then why need change?
if there is no track record to judge opp the only thing to judge them is their background. the number of scholars in pap can drown the opp.
wat MM Lee said is true. there is no country that can house 85% of ppl in good quality public housing. i think is becos we are too comfortable tats why ppl become more demanding asking the sky :doh: if cannot fulfil them ask for change :doh:
devilplate
27-04-11, 09:41
wat MM Lee said is true. there is no country that can house 85% of ppl in good quality public housing. i think is becos we are too comfortable tats why ppl become more demanding asking the sky :doh: if cannot fulfil them ask for change :doh:
singaporeans too pampered oredi....
demand jobs immediately upon graduations
must be able to buy a house immediately after they get married
30yr loan too long.....how about 10yr loan.....sell at cost px!!!
but after they bot it, they want to sell high high in the resale market!
if not, complain its not an asset!
if not, complain house din appreciate more den inflation!
those who complain and say HDB flats no longer affordable and proudly says they will vote for future generations.....ok lor, y not ask them to sell their HDB in the resale market at their original purchase px?!?!?!
devilplate
27-04-11, 09:54
HDB px too high rite?
for the future of our children and grandchildren....
all existing HDB owners can only sell at valuation px....no COV allowed....if more den 1 bidder(cfm more den one) den use balloting system....like dat HDB resale px confirm cannot rise anymore......affordable....everybody happy?;)
proud owner
27-04-11, 10:03
why want to change when a country is doing well? for excitement? for personal anger? or for your own desire? country like north korea should have change becos only the govt is living like king but ppl suffer like hell. does this scenario happening in spore? we are doing well with low umemployment, good ecnomic growth, stable govt, wat else do u want for? when ask whether can opp take over and run as well as now. u said even opp take over the policy will not change and country continue to run. if opp take over and run like the past then why need change?
if there is no track record to judge opp the only thing to judge them is their background. the number of scholars in pap can drown the opp.
sometimes i wonder to myself ... why people like chiam S T .. Jeyaretnam etc
fight their entire lives ..for what ??
HOW MANY PAP guys live in HDB ? and live humbly ?
how can govt be paid millions ?
are people joining PAP to get rich fast ?
i am not against anyone getting rich ..
but by paying yourself millions ..to fight corruption ..is corrupt by itself
something is just not right
after 40 over yrs .. dont you think the ruling party is getting complacent ?
no doubt they are doing ok .. but they are more and more things that i feel is not right ... policies .. the justice system .. etc
i cannot forget how a father, who knocked down a pedestrain , stopped to help but victim died on the way to hospital ..he was sentenced to jail ..he was the sole bread winner of the family
while a female university student..who knocked down a pedestrain.. left the scene without helping, went home, told her mom .. lied about it.. and her mom reported to police and lied that it was her and not the daughter ..
victim also died ..
but SHE and her mom got away ..
clear cut ***ual discrimination ...
and all those cry rape victims .. so many lost their jobs .. and branded 'rapist' when they were victims themselves ..
the system is just so so wrong ..
the COE to fight car populations ..failed ..they installed ERP ...failed
they intsal more erp
has all these worked ? NO
yet they derailed from their initial purpose ... and become a money making instruments for the govt ..
whenever they make a grave mistake .. they urge the people to LOOK beyond it and MOVE on .. COME ON !!!!!
if they really believe in MOVING ON ..then ALL, including ordinary people ..who make mistake should also be given the chance .. to move on ... and not being punished ...right ?
proud owner
27-04-11, 10:07
HDB px too high rite?
for the future of our children and grandchildren....
all existing HDB owners can only sell at valuation px....no COV allowed....if more den 1 bidder(cfm more den one) den use balloting system....like dat HDB resale px confirm cannot rise anymore......affordable....everybody happy?;)
HDB are subsidised ... for the lower income group ..
the land for HDB are from the govt (belong to the people )
HDB developes the land and sell the flats ..
shouldnt all HDB be same price ... regardless its bkt merah or woodlands ?
does construction cost varies ...whether you build in D3 or D26 ?
i know land value varies but not the cost when its from the govt ..
they should NOT build HDB in prime districts ,,, simple as that and make all new HDB same price or with slight premium but not a top and bottom kind of difference
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