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devilplate
04-04-11, 00:35
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/gecountdown/forumvideos.htm

do u agree with me tat only WP rep, Giam is the only opposition tat make the difference? the rest.....:scared-3: ....i welcome more opposition like him....but a BIG NO to the rest

Any capable individuals out there? pls step forward and join the WP.....i tink he is good:cheers6:

i agree with him tat bto prices shd be pegged to median income rather den resale market value....however, we nid to resume back 10yrs MOP or even longer if the bto prices and the resale market prices gap widens further.....so as to prevent the younger generations from taking things for granted and the scary mentality:'easy profit from hdb bto after 5yrs MOP'....i even heard stories of faking marriages just to get bto flats:scared-5:

btw....did i miss anything? hw come finance minister totally siam the topic on minister's pay.....:hell-hath-no-fury:

august
04-04-11, 01:24
i thot the SDP dude was the best :)

Regulators
04-04-11, 01:34
how come nobody talk about that prata man's pay hike to $4 mil?



http://www.channelnewsasia.com/gecountdown/forumvideos.htm

do u agree with me tat only WP rep, Giam is the only opposition tat make the difference? the rest.....:scared-3: ....i welcome more opposition like him....but a BIG NO to the rest

Any capable individuals out there? pls step forward and join the WP.....i tink he is good:cheers6:

i agree with him tat bto prices shd be pegged to median income rather den resale market value....however, we nid to resume back 10yrs MOP or even longer if the bto prices and the resale market prices gap widens further.....so as to prevent the younger generations from taking things for granted and the scary mentality:'easy profit from hdb bto after 5yrs MOP'....i even heard stories of faking marriages just to get bto flats:scared-5:

btw....did i miss anything? hw come finance minister totally siam the topic on minister's pay.....:hell-hath-no-fury:

devilplate
04-04-11, 01:35
i thot the SDP dude was the best :)

he did his homework and came prepared:) ....but the delivery and mannerism.....:scared-1: :scared-2:

Regulators
04-04-11, 01:35
if kenneth jaya and chee soon juan were to appear in this discussion, it would be more exciting.


i thot the SDP dude was the best :)

devilplate
04-04-11, 01:38
how come nobody talk about that prata man's pay hike to $4 mil?

SDP mentioned about ministerial salary....but tham totally siam.....lol

obviously no answer la....few mil vs $650....hahaha

august
04-04-11, 01:47
he did his homework and came prepared:) ....but the delivery and mannerism.....:scared-1: :scared-2:

i find the pap woman's mannerism very fake and condescending

devilplate
04-04-11, 01:48
i find the pap woman's mannerism very fake and condescending

hehe....she and sdp sama sama

ay123
04-04-11, 09:34
SDP mentioned about ministerial salary....but tham totally siam.....lol

obviously no answer la....few mil vs $650....hahaha

salary already debated 101 time so no need to explain again. but that lina chiam really cannot make it. came unprepared. presenter ask her on her team's proposal but she Yee ah Yee ah......:doh: no answer!!! also she mentioned a few time "please correct me if i am wrong" during discussion. how can she say such comment when she is debating with opponent? ppl will tell straight that u cannot even get yr fact right. how to depend on her? think she will lose votes after this. same go for the malay candidate. also said "please correct me if i am wrong":doh: :doh: tat dr vincent and gerald not bad

ay123
04-04-11, 09:36
i find the pap woman's mannerism very fake and condescending

quite like this MP leh she good wat. the way she talk has substance. not only this but many occasion saw her on TV

eng81157
04-04-11, 10:17
lina chiam was a tad, to put it pleasantly, disappointing.......it's either a lack of eloquence, ill-prepared or simply poor composure

devilplate
04-04-11, 10:19
lina chiam was a tad, to put it pleasantly, disappointing.......it's either a lack of eloquence, ill-prepared or simply poor composure

she looks very motherly though....hehe

i fast forward the moment the mly candidate speaks.....:p

wenqing
04-04-11, 16:00
quite like this MP leh she good wat. the way she talk has substance. not only this but many occasion saw her on TV

PAP supporter defending the indefensible.

Like Tin Pei Ling, Josephine Teo was just reciting text like a parrot with zero substance before moderator cut her off.

Bite the bullet, take your medicine, young Singaporeans too soft etc.

Nothing new from PAP in the forum. Same old stuff and repetition.

ay123
04-04-11, 16:08
PAP supporter defending the indefensible.

Like Tin Pei Ling, Josephine Teo was just reciting text like a parrot with zero substance before moderator cut her off.

Bite the bullet, take your medicine, young Singaporeans too soft etc.

Nothing new from PAP in the forum. Same old stuff and repetition.

how abt yr idol lina chiam? what did she said when presenter ask her abt her team's plan? either she doesnt has ay plan or she forgot to memerise her line....haha....make herself a fool in front of tv!!! her favorite phrase..."correct me if i am wrong" if u cannot even convince yrself how do u expect ppl to believe in u. wat a clown!!

wenqing
04-04-11, 16:14
There are others WP candidates that are good.

Go WP Facebook and look for Chen Show Mao.

Search Internet for news.

http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/

http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/ge-2011-in-a-soundbite/

GE 2011 in a soundbite (updated 4th April)

Posted by admin (http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/author/admin/) on April 4, 2011 in Main Stories (http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/category/main-stories/) | 4 Comments (http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/ge-2011-in-a-soundbite/#comments)


PAP New Candidates


Foo Mee Har
“So really my views on Malaysia are really about holidays, and good food.” – 24 March 2011.


Steve Tan
“It’s not whether things are getting pricier. It’s whether youth today are prepared to work hard for what they want.” – 24 March 2011.


“Every voter wants a choice, but I am concerned about younger voters… who are ‘sold’ on what they see in the media about people going onto the streets to protest.” – 24 March 2011.



Ong Ye Kung
“If I have a choice, I would of course prefer a GRC.” – when asked if he preferred to be fielded in a GRC or SMC, 22 March 2011


“Ours is urban politics. We need a strong majority so that we can move decisively in this uncertain world. It is the only advantage we have.” – 22 March 2011.


“Investments have come in, jobs have improved, wages have gone up.” – 22 march 2011.



Tin Pei Ling
“My greatest regret is that I didn’t manage to bring my parents to Universal Studios…” – 29 March 2011.


“Actually the cost of education for the young ones is very low.” – 29 March 2011.


“For [the] elderly, for healthcare it’s already relatively quite low in cost, it’s already quite manageable in Singapore…” – 29 March 2011.


“The government has taken very active steps to keep inflation down.” – 29 March 2011. [Singapore's inflation rate for Feb hit 5 per cent (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1118302/1/.html).]


“To be honest I don’t have any specific policy that I feel strongly against.” – 29 March 2011.



Janil Puthucheary
“No, not at all. Certainly my father never expressed any anger or rancor so I could not express any anger for that.” – when asked if he were angry on his father’s behalf about being detained and jail under the ISA in 1963. 22 March 2011.


“I’ve spent the last 10 years saving kids’ lives.” – when asked if he, a new citizen, should do National Service. 1 April 2011


“Asked for his views on the ISA, Dr Puthucheary said the way the law has been used and the potential for its use after the 911 terror attacks is “very different” now. And while he could discuss the philosophic aspects of the law, “the philosophy is not as important as the pragmatic implications for our state”, he added.” – 22 March 2011



Zainal Sapari
“When I was Mayflower Primary principal, I insisted our organization chart be in alphabetical order because I believe everyone is important.” – 29 March 2011.


Desmond Choo
“I understand how the poor feel.” – 22 March 2011.


—————
PAP Ministers


Wong Kan Seng
“Is it about the interest and missions of political parties or an individual’s interest to create a legacy or to make history?” – 25 march 2011.


“While we say we want to renew our own party, it’s with the objective of serving Singapore’s interest. It’s not really about serving the PAP’s interest.” – 24 March 2011.


“We don’t bring new people here to conduct a revolution.” – 24 March 2011.


“I have been looking forward to this [contest] for a while. At every round since 1991, when I went to Bishan, they did not turn up.” – 24 March 2011


Ng Eng Hen
“We have taken substantial time over the last four-and-a-half years since the last general election to go through the broad spread of society for people we feel have the commitment as well as the aptitude that can empathise with the day-to-day problems and aspirations of Singaporeans.” – 21 March 2011.


Tharman Shanmugaratnam
“Frankly speaking, as someone who’s been in politics for 10 years, I’m quite inspired by the cast of new candidates. You wait and see, the diversity, the spirit and the desire will be quite apparent.” – 21 March 2011.


Raymond Lim
“So we’re very pleased that [Lim] Swee Say is not only joining us here but is leading the team.” – 25 March 2011.


Lim Swee Say
“As a new member to this GRC, I intend to earn their respect. Initially I will count on the reputation of Prof to gain the added confidence.”
“But our public transport has improved a lot under his [Raymond Lim] leadership.” – 26 March 2011.


“Lee Yi Shyan is like a helicopter…” – 26 March 2011.



Teo Chee Hean
“Every day brings it one day closer.” – when asked when the election would be held. 21 March 2011.


“We decide on our own strategy. We don’t respond to Mr Low Thia Khiang.” – when asked if the PAP will field potential PM in SMC, as challenged to do so by Low Thia Khiang, 22 March 2011.


Goh Chok Tong
“Because they don’t know what life is; they’re quite happy. They wake up, they brush their teeth, then they’ll farm, and then they’ll sleep. But do you want it that way?” – 2 April 2011.


“(The Opposition) may have very silly views, but nonetheless you’ve got to listen to them. Then, you encourage them. But sometimes, to be fair, they’re not so silly. Then, they have to be heard.” – 2 April 2011.


“Young Pei Ling has been traumatised. Saw her yesterday with trauma specialist, Fatimah. While doc examined her, I observed. Her initial hurt n pain have subsided. Gave her clean (bill) of health. In the process, discovered steel in her. She will grow in strength.” – 2 April 2011.


“Pei Ling just called. Media wants her comments on my post. They have failed to appreciate my tongue-in cheek post. True, she has been thru baptism of fire. My use of medical metaphor is becos Fatimah is a trauma specialist. No need for media to chase PL for comments. She is strong n working hard.” – 2 April 2011.


Lee Hsien Loong
“So, in that same spirit, we should take things in our stride. When it comes, it comes. Before it comes, just know it’s on the horizon.” – 28 March 2011.


K Shanmugam
“I’ve said before, expect the unexpected.” – 28 Macrh 2011.
“Both Patrick and Dr Faishal have been a big hit with the residents and the grassroots.” – 28 March 2011.


“Voters should judge candidates mainly on what they stand for, rather than on policies.” – 4 April 2011.


Lim Boon Heng
“If God receives thanks from only 10 per cent of the people he helped, we mere mortals should not expect to have more.” – 29 March 2011.


“If they don’t say there is gerrymandering, they are not the opposition.” – 26 February 2011.


Lui Tuck Yew
“She … is that rare flower that will bloom in the winter of adversity.” – on Tin Pei Ling, 2 April 2011.


George Yeo
“He has got very good credentials. I’m looking forward to knowing more about him.” – on WP potential candidate Chen Show Mao. – 3 April 2011.


—————-
PAP MPs


Chan Soo Sen
“If they ask me to retire, I retire. If they ask me to stay, I stay. And if they ask me to go elsewhere to contest, I go.” – 26 March 2011.


Michael Palmer
“I don’t think there’s any climate of fear.” – 24 March 2011.
———————–
OPPOSITION


Goh Meng Seng (NSP)
“Many PAP new faces join grassroots organizations just before the elections. Would you call that passion to serve? Passion doesn’t come overnight.” – 28 March 2011.


Low Thia Khiang (WP)
“If Singaporeans don’t support the opposition and think, ‘Never mind, I welcome you to contest but I will vote for the PAP’, we could end up like the situation we had in 2001 and 1997 where you didn’t have much of a choice.” – 28 March 2011


“We have a competent government and a competent prime minister, but that doesn’t mean there is no need for the opposition to play a role.” – 28 March 2011.


“The PAP is sending rookies as the fourth-generation core leaders, so how do you define rookies in that sense?’ – 28 march 2011.


“Renewal is not only for the PAP.” – 24 March 2011.


“The NCMP scheme is perhaps a reflection of a guilty conscience. And perhaps I don’t know whether (there is) a conscience at all.” – 24 March 2011.


Kenneth Jeyaretnam (RP)
“For someone to say the opposition is always bickering, it shows they do not understand what democracy is about.” – 24 March 2011.


“We have a highly-paid and undoubtedly efficient civil service to assist whatever government is in power to run the country. Presumably it will not evaporate the moment another party comes into power.” – 24 March 2011.


“I’ve learned from my mistake of announcing our candidates so early.” – 22 March 2011.


Chee Soon Juan (SDP)
“Elections come, elections go. Elections do not make a democracy and without democracy, it’s very difficult to hold on to your citizens.” – 24 March 2011.


Desmond Lim (SDA)
“It’s all in one stretch, so you don’t have to climb up and down stairs. The worst thing that can happen is that a dog barks at you.” – 2 April 2011.


Lina Chiam (SPP)
“I am confident, but the ball is round.” – 26 March 2011.


Chiam See Tong (SPP)
“We’re not that small-minded. I’ve left my safe haven of Potong Pasir for a more dangerous ground because I want to expand the number of opposition members in Parliament.” – 25 March 2011.


“It’s so stupid to have a three-cornered fight.” – 22 March 2011.


“If I don’t have a team, why should I waste my time walking here?” – 21 March 2011.


“The residents have confidence in me.. I have a good chance of winning.” – 21 March 2011.


Nazem Suki (SDA)
“There are no Malay issues or Indian issues or Chinese issues. We have national issues to address…” – 24 March 2011.


Gerald Giam (WP)
“Now the government is now dominated by just one party, the PAP. If this party were to fail, what will happen to Singapore?


Alternative government do not just spring up over night, and that’s why the Workers’ Party has a great emphasis on putting forward a rational, respectable and responsible party that will be able to win the trust of Singaporeans.


“Now even if we field candidates that have all the capabilities and credibility that Singaporeans want, but they do not win the elections, we’re not going to make very much progress in that respect and that’s why we need a sizeable number of elected MPs in Parliament to be able to safeguard Singapore’s future that way.” – 1 April 2011.


Chen Show Mao (WP)
‎”Is having opposition party members as NCMPs in Parliament good enough?


Or to make it even easier, we don’t need a Parliament. We can just set up a huge mailbox for people to send their grouses about the government directly to this mailbox. Isn’t that even better?” – 3 April 2011.

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wenqing
04-04-11, 16:17
http://onesingaporean.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/tin-pei-ling-vs-chen-show-mao-and-a-very-scary-thought/


Tin Pei Ling vs Chen Show Mao – and a very scary thought


Despite what Lim Boon Heng, that minister who has been without a portfolio for some 15 years, has said, the PAP’s slate of new candidates are a dud.

At least as far as I am concerned. I can’t remember any time in the past where the scraping of the barrel by the PAP was so pathetic.

And the signs are already there. Of course, the media is sugar-coating the dud candidates the PAP is selling. Desmond Choo? Desmond Lee? Tin Pei Ling?

Seriously? When one starts to talk about one’s own sob story in order to gain sympathy, you can be sure the barrel is really empty.

But there is a serious issue here which Singaporeans must consider and consider very seriously indeed.

And it is this: With a complicit and compliant media, these duds are being sold and marketed as people with the genuine stuff. And riding piggyback on senior members into Parliament.

This itself is ironic. I mean, if they have the genuine stuff, why would they need to coattail on others?

I am really concerned that someone like Tin Pei Ling, whom I presume hasn’t had even 10-years of working experience, is going into Parliament via the easy and convenient back door.



At the same time, someone like Chen Show Mao may not be in Parliament at all. Chen is expected to be on the WP ticket for the elections.

The man’s credentials are second to none – studied at Harvard, Oxford, Stanford, Rhodes scholar, fluently bilingual, and with experience in international mergers and acquisitions, and he also sits on the advisory board of the Singapore Management University.


http://onesingaporean.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/tinpeiling.jpg?w=225&h=300 (http://onesingaporean.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/tinpeiling.jpg)
PAP's Tin Pei Ling - not even 10 years of working experience



Now, Tin Pei Ling and Chen Show Mao. Which do you think should be in Parliament? I mean, seriously.

Tin Pei Ling is a dime a dozen. You can probably scrap some of her ilk off the sidewalks at Orchard Road.


Chen, on the other hand, is what the PAP would crave for – and indeed, badly needs.

Yet, the truth and reality is that Tin Pei Ling will get into Parliament, while Chen Show Mao may not.

Every opposition party’s new candidates have to go through the baptism of fire in a contest at every election. Chiam See Tong fought twice before winning, and since then, he’s had to fight each of the six elections – and win them all. A total of 8 elections.


Low Thia Khiang too had to fight 5 General Elections – losing his first and winning the other four.

Chiam and Low NEVER had a walkover, or had the “privilege” of entering Parliament by piggybacking on others.


This is what leaders should do. This is what each and every MP must do – fight in an open contest, and not hide behind coattails and worse, say if they get into Parliament they want to “understudy” the senior members.
We pay S$15,000 a month to each MP.


For such a large sum of money, it is incumbent that each MP contest and win each and every election – just like what Chiam and Low have done and will have to do in this election as well.


No hiding. No piggybacking. No coattails to hang on to.
http://onesingaporean.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/sylvia.jpg?w=300&h=200 (http://onesingaporean.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/sylvia.jpg) WP Chairman Sylvia Lim - may not get into Parliament



But the point I want to make is this:

It would be really really sad and bad for Singapore if someone like Tin Pei Ling is slipped into Parliament without a single vote cast in her favour, while those like Chen Show Mao, Sylvia Lim or even Low Thia Khiang do not get in.


Indeed, the dud slate of candidates the PAP is offering – and if each and everyone of them gets into Parliament – puts Singapore in a precarious position, moving forward.


Here’s another scary thought: In the 2006 general election, all 24 new PAP candidates got into Parliament – a 100% success rate.

While only 2 from the opposition were elected.

So, when you cast your vote, think very very carefully.

Please.

wenqing
04-04-11, 16:25
I hope Potong Pasir and all singaporean give Lina Chiam a chance.

You need a lot guts to be an opposition in Singapore.

Looking at the CNA discussion, the show is really short and there's no time for the opposition party to "warm up" and they are always rush and stop by the host when they wanted to continue.

There's no doubt that this lady is sincere and honest. And I bet she will really care for her citizen.

Also, these two candidates from PAP are special selected and very experienced. If they are to have someone like Ms Tin ...Do you think she will perform better than Lina ?

I doubt.

ay123
04-04-11, 16:33
I hope Potong Pasir and all singaporean give Lina Chiam a chance.

You need a lot guts to be an opposition in Singapore. Of course, if u don have wat it takes, please don bring more harm

Looking at the CNA discussion, the show is really short and there's no time for the opposition party to "warm up" and they are always rush and stop by the host when they wanted to continue. this is the only chance to voice yr view to all singaporean but u spoil it yrself by not preparing yrself. u don see it an important event :doh:

There's no doubt that this lady is sincere and honest. And I bet she will really care for her citizen. she can apply to be a caregiver in hospital if she really want to help. spore need capable ppl

Also, these two candidates from PAP are special selected and very experienced. If they are to have someone like Ms Tin ...Do you think she will perform better than Lina ? u mean this is the best the opposition can provide? :D good luck to u opposition!!

I doubt.


LINA CHIAM (SPP) – 1.5/10
http://dlzj.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/lina-chiam.jpg?w=119&h=150 (http://dlzj.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/lina-chiam.jpg)
Completely below par performance, the worse i have seen on television (in any country). Lina Chiam should be ashamed of herself. She came completely unprepared, did not know what to say about national issues, exhibited the wrong body language and failed to use her allocated time at the end to summarize her party’s position (she chose to “ask” what the PAP could do for the people instead). While she did bring up one or two good points at the end, everything else about the delivery was horrendous and just too painful to watch. If this is the calibre of SPP’s candidates, pro-opposition voters had better be very worried.

peterng8
04-04-11, 16:34
http://onesingaporean.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/tin-pei-ling-vs-chen-show-mao-and-a-very-scary-thought/


Tin Pei Ling vs Chen Show Mao – and a very scary thought


Despite what Lim Boon Heng, that minister who has been without a portfolio for some 15 years, has said, the PAP’s slate of new candidates are a dud.

At least as far as I am concerned. I can’t remember any time in the past where the scraping of the barrel by the PAP was so pathetic.

And the signs are already there. Of course, the media is sugar-coating the dud candidates the PAP is selling. Desmond Choo? Desmond Lee? Tin Pei Ling?

Seriously? When one starts to talk about one’s own sob story in order to gain sympathy, you can be sure the barrel is really empty.

But there is a serious issue here which Singaporeans must consider and consider very seriously indeed.

And it is this: With a complicit and compliant media, these duds are being sold and marketed as people with the genuine stuff. And riding piggyback on senior members into Parliament.

This itself is ironic. I mean, if they have the genuine stuff, why would they need to coattail on others?

I am really concerned that someone like Tin Pei Ling, whom I presume hasn’t had even 10-years of working experience, is going into Parliament via the easy and convenient back door.



At the same time, someone like Chen Show Mao may not be in Parliament at all. Chen is expected to be on the WP ticket for the elections.

The man’s credentials are second to none – studied at Harvard, Oxford, Stanford, Rhodes scholar, fluently bilingual, and with experience in international mergers and acquisitions, and he also sits on the advisory board of the Singapore Management University.


http://onesingaporean.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/tinpeiling.jpg?w=225&h=300 (http://onesingaporean.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/tinpeiling.jpg)
PAP's Tin Pei Ling - not even 10 years of working experience



Now, Tin Pei Ling and Chen Show Mao. Which do you think should be in Parliament? I mean, seriously.

Tin Pei Ling is a dime a dozen. You can probably scrap some of her ilk off the sidewalks at Orchard Road.


Chen, on the other hand, is what the PAP would crave for – and indeed, badly needs.

Yet, the truth and reality is that Tin Pei Ling will get into Parliament, while Chen Show Mao may not.

Every opposition party’s new candidates have to go through the baptism of fire in a contest at every election. Chiam See Tong fought twice before winning, and since then, he’s had to fight each of the six elections – and win them all. A total of 8 elections.


Low Thia Khiang too had to fight 5 General Elections – losing his first and winning the other four.

Chiam and Low NEVER had a walkover, or had the “privilege” of entering Parliament by piggybacking on others.


This is what leaders should do. This is what each and every MP must do – fight in an open contest, and not hide behind coattails and worse, say if they get into Parliament they want to “understudy” the senior members.
We pay S$15,000 a month to each MP.


For such a large sum of money, it is incumbent that each MP contest and win each and every election – just like what Chiam and Low have done and will have to do in this election as well.


No hiding. No piggybacking. No coattails to hang on to.
http://onesingaporean.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/sylvia.jpg?w=300&h=200 (http://onesingaporean.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/sylvia.jpg) WP Chairman Sylvia Lim - may not get into Parliament



But the point I want to make is this:

It would be really really sad and bad for Singapore if someone like Tin Pei Ling is slipped into Parliament without a single vote cast in her favour, while those like Chen Show Mao, Sylvia Lim or even Low Thia Khiang do not get in.


Indeed, the dud slate of candidates the PAP is offering – and if each and everyone of them gets into Parliament – puts Singapore in a precarious position, moving forward.


Here’s another scary thought: In the 2006 general election, all 24 new PAP candidates got into Parliament – a 100% success rate.

While only 2 from the opposition were elected.

So, when you cast your vote, think very very carefully.

Please.

S$15000/month ? 5 days weeks means one day $750...can buy many many LV or panda baggie...:D :D

devilplate
04-04-11, 16:37
S$15000/month ? 5 days weeks means one day $750...can buy many many LV or panda baggie...:D :D

one day oredi earn $750 vs 71yo oldman $650 a mth.....:hell-hath-no-fury:

peterng8
04-04-11, 16:40
I hope Potong Pasir and all singaporean give Lina Chiam a chance.

You need a lot guts to be an opposition in Singapore.

Looking at the CNA discussion, the show is really short and there's no time for the opposition party to "warm up" and they are always rush and stop by the host when they wanted to continue.

There's no doubt that this lady is sincere and honest. And I bet she will really care for her citizen.

Also, these two candidates from PAP are special selected and very experienced. If they are to have someone like Ms Tin ...Do you think she will perform better than Lina ?

I doubt.


seriously speaking, out of the 4 opposition reps, in my view I will rank the Dr and the IT guy from opposition performed much more better...the malay guy also better than the lady...but it not easy to be an opposition party...a lot of courage is needed...:2cents: should watch the chinese version which is 1 hour long and a better debate has been carried out...:2cents:

peterng8
04-04-11, 16:41
one day oredi earn $750 vs 71yo oldman $650 a mth.....:hell-hath-no-fury:

yeah somemore...fresh type...:D

ay123
04-04-11, 16:44
one day oredi earn $750 vs 71yo oldman $650 a mth.....:hell-hath-no-fury:

actually cannot make such comparison lah. everywhere there is poor ppl. what we can do is fin dway to help them rather than using them to compare against how much a minister earn. if there is a law that tell all ppl to take out their earning and share to all ppl to equalise the income EVERY MONTH. do u think is fair? every society there is rich & poor. just need to live within their mean. rich eat abalone every meal poor eat vegetarian abalone lor...healthier wat.

peterng8
04-04-11, 16:55
S$15000 /month is MP pay or minister pay? :) consider those garmen top rug pay ....minister pay should be much more than $15K/month....:2cents:

ay123
04-04-11, 16:59
S$15000 /month is MP pay or minister pay? :) consider those garmen top rug pay ....minister pay should be much more than $15K/month....:2cents:

tot agent also earn tat much or more?? easy job jus con ppl into buying.....no need to headache abt high inflation, high property price, high FT.....only care to SELL HIGH HIGH!!!

devilplate
04-04-11, 17:06
wah piang....

but seriously....minister pay is way too high la....

btw, 100agts....tink only 5 can make it

Regulators
04-04-11, 18:52
If you don't mind that tin peiling inexperienced newbie getting paid $15k a month, why don't you set up a pro pap fan club and raise funds just to pay their millions of salaries and bonuses, in that way, taxpayers money can be put to better social use elsewhere and you and your fans can concentrate on paying mps. You may also want to organise events to raise funds for mps salaries like those nkf shows.


actually cannot make such comparison lah. everywhere there is poor ppl. what we can do is fin dway to help them rather than using them to compare against how much a minister earn. if there is a law that tell all ppl to take out their earning and share to all ppl to equalise the income EVERY MONTH. do u think is fair? every society there is rich & poor. just need to live within their mean. rich eat abalone every meal poor eat vegetarian abalone lor...healthier wat.

Regulators
04-04-11, 18:57
Judging from your posts, you will make a good pap lackey and mp bootlicker


actually cannot make such comparison lah. everywhere there is poor ppl. what we can do is fin dway to help them rather than using them to compare against how much a minister earn. if there is a law that tell all ppl to take out their earning and share to all ppl to equalise the income EVERY MONTH. do u think is fair? every society there is rich & poor. just need to live within their mean. rich eat abalone every meal poor eat vegetarian abalone lor...healthier wat.

sh
04-04-11, 19:53
What is puzzling me is that there is so much of the debate is on minister's pay. No doubt that it is an issue, but is that the most pressing issue?:confused:

What about more freedom of expression, abolition of the ISA, no more bankrupting of opposition politicians, irrational redrawing of electorates every election etc....:beats-me-man:

Regulators
04-04-11, 21:01
over exploitation of public funds for personal gain is not a pressing issue? If mps can't use our public funds equitably in the aspect of pay, what more is there to talk about?
What is puzzling me is that there is so much of the debate is on minister's pay. No doubt that it is an issue, but is that the most pressing issue?:confused:

What about more freedom of expression, abolition of the ISA, no more bankrupting of opposition politicians, irrational redrawing of electorates every election etc....:beats-me-man:

wenqing
04-04-11, 22:01
MP allowance is close to $200,000 per year.

It is just MP allowance.

Minister pay is separate pay.

wenqing
04-04-11, 22:05
seriously speaking, out of the 4 opposition reps, in my view I will rank the Dr and the IT guy from opposition performed much more better...the malay guy also better than the lady...but it not easy to be an opposition party...a lot of courage is needed...:2cents: should watch the chinese version which is 1 hour long and a better debate has been carried out...:2cents:

That IT guy is actually a consultant with a MNC. His name is Gerald Giam. You can read his blogs.

http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/09/your-vote-is-secret/

Your vote is secret (http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/09/your-vote-is-secret/)

Many Singaporeans harbour the misconception that their vote during elections is not secret. I’ve talked to many people, both educated and less educated, and the overwhelming majority seem to think this way.

This is despite the fact that at every election, the Elections Department takes pains to communicate to voters two main points: Voting is compulsory, and voting is secret. I guess this is a point that Singaporeans just refuse to believe our government about.


It is even more unfortunate that some persist in perpetuating this urban myth, which only serves to strike more fear into the hearts of Singaporeans who are thinking of voting for the opposition.

A letter in Temasek Review today exhorted Singaporeans to spoil their votes because, the writer reasoned, then the PAP won’t “mark” you for voting against them and if there are enough invalid votes, it will indirectly increase the opposition’s share of the valid vote.


This is wrong on many counts. I’ll highlight just two: Firstly, the PAP does not know which party you voted for, so they won’t know who to “mark”, even if they wanted to.

Secondly, invalid votes do not factor in the final count, which is based on valid votes.

This means that if there were 10 votes–six for the PAP, three for the opposition and one spoiled–the final tally is 66.6 per cent to the PAP (six divided by nine, with the spoiled vote excluded), not 60 per cent.

Let’s be very clear: YOUR VOTE IS SECRET. I will take you through the whole balloting process to see why:

1. On Polling Day, each voter at the polling station is issued a ballot paper without his name on it. (I’ll talk about the serial numbers later.)

He/she marks the ballot paper in a booth out of sight of anyone else. No cameras are permitted in the polling station so there is no way to observe how voters vote.

The voter then folds up the paper and drops it in the ballot box. Throughout the day, counting agents from each party are at the polling station to ensure the ballot boxes are not opened.

2. At the close of polling, usually at 8pm on the same day, the ballot boxes are sealed with tamper-proof seals (which are signed over by the candidates) and transported to the Counting Centre.


3. At the Counting Centre, the ballot boxes from the polling stations are unsealed in the presence of the candidates and their assistants and emptied in a common heap.

The election officials (who are civil servants) then count the votes in full view of the candidates from all contesting parties, who ensure that the votes are counted properly and the election officials follow all the rules.


4. Immediately after counting, the votes, together with all the relevant records, the stubs of the ballot papers and any unused ballot papers are sealed in the boxes (again with tamper-proof seals) and transported to the Supreme Court vault for storage.


5. Six months later, if there are no disputes over the outcome of the election, the sealed boxes are transported to the incineration plant, where, in the presence of all the candidates (including the losers), the votes and records are completely destroyed by fire.


As you can see from above, at no point are the boxes opened without the candidates or representatives from all the contesting parties being present.

Frequently asked questions

Q. What about the serial numbers on the ballot papers?

This is a safeguard against election fraud such as bringing counterfeit ballot papers into the polling station, voter impersonation or casting ballot papers which have been marked by others.

Many other countries, including the UK, have numbered ballot papers. As explained above, there is no opportunity for the election officials or candidates to peek at the votes and match them against the electoral roll.

Remember there are no names on the voting slips, and if one wanted to match the serial numbers, one would have to sift through a huge list of thousands of voters in full view of the candidates.


It is possible, though, that in the event of a disputed outcome, the courts could order that the boxes be taken out of storage and the votes recounted. However this would again be done in full view of the candidates. In any case, there has been no court order issued to retrieve votes since Singapore first conducted elections in 1948.


Q. Why does the election official call out my name and voter number at the polling station before giving me the ballot paper?

So as to enable the representatives of contesting political parties at the polling station to verify and cross out your name on their copies of the electoral register. They will know you voted, but won’t know who you voted for.

Q. After elections, some politicians say certain blocks supported the ruling party or opposition. Does it mean they know my vote?

Nobody knows how each individual voted. Each polling station serves about 10 to 20 blocks of flats or a few landed housing estates. They may know the aggregated number from each polling district, but not the individual votes.
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In summary, I emphasise again that voting is secret. So come the next elections, vote with your conscience, not with fear!

sh
04-04-11, 22:07
over exploitation of public funds for personal gain is not a pressing issue? If mps can't use our public funds equitably in the aspect of pay, what more is there to talk about?




Come to think of it..... this is genius....:)

Give their ministers super high pay.... everyone can't stop talking about the super high pay.... everyone forget about all the other issues other than super high pay..... get to keep super high pay too....

PAP :cheers6:

wenqing
04-04-11, 22:07
If you don't mind that tin peiling inexperienced newbie getting paid $15k a month, why don't you set up a pro pap fan club and raise funds just to pay their millions of salaries and bonuses, in that way, taxpayers money can be put to better social use elsewhere and you and your fans can concentrate on paying mps. You may also want to organise events to raise funds for mps salaries like those nkf shows.

Ignore him.

When he cannot argue, he just insults people.

He might be a grassroots leader or PAP member with vested interest to protect which is why he is so protective of PAP.

DaytonaSS
04-04-11, 22:11
I hope Potong Pasir and all singaporean give Lina Chiam a chance.

You need a lot guts to be an opposition in Singapore.

Looking at the CNA discussion, the show is really short and there's no time for the opposition party to "warm up" and they are always rush and stop by the host when they wanted to continue.

There's no doubt that this lady is sincere and honest. And I bet she will really care for her citizen.

Also, these two candidates from PAP are special selected and very experienced. If they are to have someone like Ms Tin ...Do you think she will perform better than Lina ?

I doubt.

i more interested to give u a chance. Let us know when u coming out to be opposition.

wenqing
04-04-11, 22:16
i more interested to give u a chance. Let us know when u coming out to be opposition.

Haha.

Thanks for thinking so highly of me but I am just a retiree who has pass his prime who hope to contribute as a voter and share articles whenever possible.

wenqing
04-04-11, 22:24
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47069.1


Strong opposition good for party and country: Tharman

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Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam, who is also the People's Action Party's (PAP) treasurer, said that strong opposition is good for both PAP and Singapore during a multi-party forum televised on Channel News Asia.

eng81157
05-04-11, 08:47
just some frivolities of life, statistics and media spin

check out the write-up on the new candidate from SAF. he's 42 years old and reported to have 24 years of service in the army......to me, a tinge of inflating figures as the mandatory 2.5 years of NS should be excluded, plus his days in university as an undergrad - eligible to be counted as service???

ay123
05-04-11, 09:38
Judging from your posts, you will make a good pap lackey and mp bootlicker

PAPsupporter=lackey?
tat show how shallow u are. how many have voted for pap for the last GEs? so more than 90% of sporean are lackey? use yr brain.
u always talk like u are a saint always talk abt how many poor ppl out there with no help yet minister are paying so high. ask yrself do u have the quality? if u have u can have such high pay too. since u are always care abt the poor why don u give free tuition to the poor? u run a tuition school right? wats is yr motive of running tat school? u are also conning parents' money. u are also an educator but talk without using brain.
U think too highly of yrself. looking at yr regent height (condemn like shit before buy, praise like heavenly purchase after bought) and caspian (condemn caspian becos u didnt buy any when the price has since appreciate > 40%) already know yr character.
so are u also opposition lackey?

ay123
05-04-11, 09:52
Ignore him.

When he cannot argue, he just insults people.

He might be a grassroots leader or PAP member with vested interest to protect which is why he is so protective of PAP.
u will be disspointed. i am not interested in any grassroots activity. i vote with my open eye and of course I USE MY BRAIN. not of impulsive or jealous over minister pay. i look at big picture.

is U tat has problem. u have only one goal tat is to go against pap. for wat reason? maybe u are related to opposition or maybe u are one of them. first u mentioned opposition is not given a chance to prove themselve so cannot judge them as not capable. but when lina chiam has "proven" herself she cannot make it u still ask sporean to give her a chance becos she is sincere. so u are telling ppl even lina cannot make it u still want to vote her. is obviously u have only one goal tat is to vote against PAP without any good reason. u are trying to bring harm to spore for asking ppl to vote for a uncapable ppl into the parliament!! u are hopeless!

devilplate
05-04-11, 10:02
u will be disspointed. i am not interested in any grassroots activity. i vote with my open eye and of course I USE MY BRAIN. not of impulsive or jealous over minister pay. i look at big picture.

is U tat has problem. u have only one goal tat is to go against pap. for wat reason? maybe u are related to opposition or maybe u are one of them. first u mentioned opposition is not given a chance to prove themselve so cannot judge them as not capable. but when lina chiam has "proven" herself she cannot make it u still ask sporean to give her a chance becos she is sincere. so u are telling ppl even lina cannot make it u still want to vote her. is obviously u have only one goal tat is to vote against PAP without any good reason. u are trying to bring harm to spore for asking ppl to vote for a uncapable ppl into the parliament!! u are hopeless!

i goto agree tat lina and tat mly guy a BIG NO NO....:scared-3:
tat Dr got some substance but i cant tahan his arrogant behaviour

gerald still da best...vote him in ok....hehe....and he openly scouting for talents to join WP....any capable individuals pls step forward:spliff:

sincerity is good...but we nid more den tat....sincere+capable

westman
05-04-11, 10:38
On one hand, PAP candidates offer high moral reasons such as "Mother Singapore is calling and since I can help, I come out to help.... blah blah blah"

On the other hand, PAP top gun defense their position for giving high allowance so as to attract or retain "talents" for the nation...

What a lame reason. Is garment trying to price morality in exchange of service. Lastly, do you want someone who look up at $$$ to serve you?

devilplate
05-04-11, 10:43
On one hand, PAP candidates offer high moral reasons such as "Mother Singapore is calling and since I can help, I come out to help.... blah blah blah"

On the other hand, PAP top gun defense their position for giving high allowance so as to attract or retain "talents" for the nation...

What a lame reason. Is garment trying to price morality in exchange of service. Lastly, do you want someone who look up at $$$ to serve you?

yes...i am disgusted by their pay too...however, we shdnt simply vote any opposition IN based on tat hor....i only wants capable opposition:D

Regulators
05-04-11, 10:49
I don't get paid a cent from government coffers and every cent i earn is through hard work and risks that i take. I did not say all voters who vote for PAP are pap lackeys, I was referring to you being a lackey, judging by your posts and the things you said in defense of your beloved pap. The issue as to why i bought regent heights (which is currently seeing 50% of return on investment in paper gains and achieving 4.9% rental yield) has already been explained in detail in another thread, so i find it meaningless talking to you about it here. By the way, regent heights looks ten times nicer than Caspian and at least i do not get an MRT track facing the unit i bought.


PAPsupporter=lackey?
tat show how shallow u are. how many have voted for pap for the last GEs? so more than 90% of sporean are lackey? use yr brain.
u always talk like u are a saint always talk abt how many poor ppl out there with no help yet minister are paying so high. ask yrself do u have the quality? if u have u can have such high pay too. since u are always care abt the poor why don u give free tuition to the poor? u run a tuition school right? wats is yr motive of running tat school? u are also conning parents' money. u are also an educator but talk without using brain.
U think too highly of yrself. looking at yr regent height (condemn like shit before buy, praise like heavenly purchase after bought) and caspian (condemn caspian becos u didnt buy any when the price has since appreciate > 40%) already know yr character.
so are u also opposition lackey?

westman
05-04-11, 10:50
yes...i am disgusted by their pay too...however, we shdnt simply vote any opposition IN based on tat hor....i only wants capable opposition:D

Bro, agreed with you that we should not oppose for the sake of opposing.
However, I'm very concern with the way Singapore Garment evolving....

1) $$$ rules. Eg, with $125Millions donation, you can have a Hospital name after you, in this case, Devilplate Regional Hosiptal somewhere in Singapore. No $$ no talk? The 3G/4G PAP are so much different from 1G/2G candidates.

2) Efficiency for Economics grow above all else. Eg, allow more FT with objective to push growth within a short time. For sure, those garment agencies can take credit for such as good result. However, who suffered? WE! We have to endure packed MRT/bus ride, sky high housing price (we may be happy but at the expense of our future generations), job lost risk as boss often use FT to curtain local salary growth.. etc..

3) Higher Healthcare costs. KBW is a idiot in my opinion. Especially about the $8 bypassed issue and suggestion in pushing our older generation to JB for retirement is exremely hard for me to agree with.

Do you want this for the next five years?

Regulators
05-04-11, 10:54
Correction, based on my capital outlay of just $15xk, my ROI is currently 6x% based on current market value of the unit.



I don't get paid a cent from government coffers and every cent i earn is through hard work and risks that i take. I did not say all voters who vote for PAP are pap lackeys, I was referring to you being a lackey, judging by your posts and the things you said in defense of your beloved pap. The issue as to why i bought regent heights (which is currently seeing 50% of return on investment in paper gains and achieving 4.9% rental yield) has already been explained in detail in another thread, so i find it meaningless talking to you about it here. By the way, regent heights looks ten times nicer than Caspian and at least i do not get an MRT track facing the unit i bought.

devilplate
05-04-11, 10:59
Bro, agreed with you that we should not oppose for the sake of opposing.
However, I'm very concern with the way Singapore Garment evolving....

1) $$$ rules. Eg, with $125Millions donation, you can have a Hospital name after you, in this case, Devilplate Regional Hosiptal somewhere in Singapore. No $$ no talk? The 3G/4G PAP are so much different from 1G/2G candidates.

2) Efficiency for Economics grow above all else. Eg, allow more FT with objective to push growth within a short time. For sure, those garment agencies can take credit for such as good result. However, who suffered? WE! We have to endure packed MRT/bus ride, sky high housing price (we may be happy but at the expense of our future generations), job lost risk as boss often use FT to curtain local salary growth.. etc..

3) Higher Healthcare costs. KBW is a idiot in my opinion. Especially about the $8 bypassed issue and suggestion in pushing our older generation to JB for retirement is exremely hard for me to agree with.

Do you want this for the next five years?

for pt no.1: moi no comments

2: yes agree....nvr control properly....however, mabe we really nid a high number of immigrants to fill in the jobs as our unemployment is so low at 2%....if unempolyment rate is let say 4-5% and yet they allow so many FTs in...den smthing mus b wrong:2cents: they r promoting productivity to reduce the reliance on FT especially those low wage foreign workers...which is abit too late but better den nvr rite?:cheers6:

3. he really said tat ar? suggesting older folks to retire in JB???:scared-1:

devilplate
05-04-11, 11:02
Correction, based on my capital outlay of just $15xk, my ROI is currently 6x% based on current market value of the unit.

actual rental yield is much higher den 4.9% too....based on low low interest of 1.5% now:D :cheers6:

i did some calculation....most of my rental yield is double digit based on today's super low low interest rate...if i borrow more last time like 80%...surely MORE yield....HUAT ARGH!:D

westman
05-04-11, 11:08
for pt no.1: moi no comments

2: yes agree....nvr control properly....however, mabe we really nid a high number of immigrants to fill in the jobs as our unemployment is so low at 2%....if unempolyment rate is let say 4-5% and yet they allow so many FTs in...den smthing mus b wrong:2cents: they r promoting productivity to reduce the reliance on FT especially those low wage foreign workers...which is abit too late but better den nvr rite?:cheers6:

3. he really said tat ar? suggesting older folks to retire in JB???:scared-1:

For KBW's comment check http://www.moh.gov.sg/mohcorp/mediaforums.aspx?id=21064

Someone wrote to MOH to proetest again KBW's statement of retiring at JB...
Below is MOH replied.

Mr Raymond Fernando felt that "Placing old folks in JB nursing homes (is) not a viable option" (TNP, 16 Feb 09). He felt disappointed that the Health Minister should make such a suggestion. Actually, my Minister's observation about the different cost structures in JB and Singapore and that the nursing homes there, besides many other services, were already catering to some Singaporeans, has been unfortunately spun out of context.
How the elderly sick should be looked after is something for the family to resolve. All elderly would like to age at home, in the company of their loved ones. The vast majority of the elderly Singaporeans live with their children under the same roof and we commend and encourage this.
But a small minority of the elderly do fall sick, some require a few days or weeks of hospital care, while others need a few weeks, or even months of nursing home care. We promote home nursing, but in some cases this is just not practical for care givers who need to work.
For the low income group who require nursing home care, heavy Government subsidy ensures that their nursing home needs in Singapore are affordable. Charities also come in to supplement where appropriate.
For the higher income group, they have choices. Most use local nursing homes, but some find it useful to cross borders to stretch their retirement savings. We don't think these people would welcome any move to stop them from exercising that choice. In fact, is there a need to? Indeed, my Minister's comments arose out of the many requests to allow their Medisave to be used for cheaper hospital care in neighbouring countries.
Nursing homes are NOT homes for the aged where the elderly are abandoned by the children. Mr Fernando is a well-known caregiver who never gives up on his loved one. This is a value which our society should celebrate and emulate.




Shortly after the event, KBW denied such suggestion as he claimed media twisted is message (Another Ng Eng Han's example in mother tongue). See below for KBW denial...http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/03/30/video-khaw-boon-wan-denied-asking-singaporean-elderly-to-retire-jb-claimed-his-words-were-twisted/

devilplate
05-04-11, 11:13
mabe its a honest mistake? lets move on....

btw, is medishield insurance alone sufficient for hospitalization coverage these days?

i am getting worried wor....

some say cancer is still a rich's man disease

ay123
05-04-11, 11:18
I don't get paid a cent from government coffers and every cent i earn is through hard work and risks that i take. I did not say all voters who vote for PAP are pap lackeys, I was referring to you being a lackey, judging by your posts and the things you said in defense of your beloved pap. The issue as to why i bought regent heights (which is currently seeing 50% of return on investment in paper gains and achieving 4.9% rental yield) has already been explained in detail in another thread, so i find it meaningless talking to you about it here. By the way, regent heights looks ten times nicer than Caspian and at least i do not get an MRT track facing the unit i bought.
no one is interested in yr self praise glory. i do not get anything from govt as well but i said before i vote with my open eye and brain. and u calling ppl lackey only show how low graded personality u have. if u gutsy enough, stand out and oppose openly like a MAN, don like wenqing, wear dress and hide behind the computer and "cow pek cow boo" and calling ppl name. u are another hopeless man. why don u just concentrate in yr conning parent business and keep quite. i pity those student who attended yr class must have brainwash by such a despicable tutor...sigh...

eng81157
05-04-11, 11:39
mabe its a honest mistake? lets move on....

btw, is medishield insurance alone sufficient for hospitalization coverage these days?

i am getting worried wor....

some say cancer is still a rich's man disease

sufficient if you have just need painkillers for headache and syrup for coughs.

cancer? dream on! medishield covers the basics, not state-of-the-art medication that works like targeted missiles on cancer cells. medishield provides for use of old-school, napalm-carpet-bomb type of drugs.

all this rhetoric about healthcare costs in Singapore being kept low is BS, as that's only from the government's kitty. When you take into account what patients pay out of pocket, the cost of healthcare is comparable to the West. It's just a matter of who bears the burden.

wenqing
05-04-11, 12:38
no one is interested in yr self praise glory. i do not get anything from govt as well but i said before i vote with my open eye and brain. and u calling ppl lackey only show how low graded personality u have. if u gutsy enough, stand out and oppose openly like a MAN, don like wenqing, wear dress and hide behind the computer and "cow pek cow boo" and calling ppl name. u are another hopeless man. why don u just concentrate in yr conning parent business and keep quite. i pity those student who attended yr class must have brainwash by such a despicable tutor...sigh...

Criticise PAP = kpkb

Criticise Opposition = Got Brains.

Yep, you are confirmed a PAP parrot who just repeat PAP mantra with no thought analysis.

Even Ministerial Pay is not abuse and greed, then what is abuse and greed ?

I agree such payscale in Big Businesses because of fluctuating company performance every year and is much more risky with little job security every year. Even CEOs can be sacked and replaced easily.

Compare to Minister's every 5 years job guarantee and even when make bread & butter mistakes relevant to ministries, nothing happens to the Ministers.

Even CNN took up this pay issue which CNA and ST do not dare to do and compare.

Looking at your past arguments, when it is proven shallow , you just insult.

No wonder you lose credibility.



:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

wenqing
05-04-11, 12:41
i goto agree tat lina and tat mly guy a BIG NO NO....:scared-3:
tat Dr got some substance but i cant tahan his arrogant behaviour

gerald still da best...vote him in ok....hehe....and he openly scouting for talents to join WP....any capable individuals pls step forward:spliff:

sincerity is good...but we nid more den tat....sincere+capable

I do not take that as arrogant.

It is debating behaviour especially when he got less time than PAP Minister to educate viewers about his party vision.

wenqing
05-04-11, 12:53
For all election campaigning activities and photos, please go to party websites to read up and understand.



http://www.wp.org.sg/


http://www.facebook.com/workersparty


http://www.thereformparty.net/


http://www.facebook.com/thereformparty


http://yoursdp.org/


http://www.facebook.com/yoursdp


http://www.nsp.sg/


http://www.facebook.com/pages/National-Solidarity-Party/127539053982523


http://www.spp.org.sg/


http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Singapore-General-Election-2011/128592090547006

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Singapore-Democratic-Alliance-SDA-Supporter/202603113516

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Singapore-Peoples-Party/160434907346738

wenqing
05-04-11, 13:03
Some videos from GE 2006 I found on Internet.


Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0UCAgh9Es&feature=related

Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pQZkpon9Mw&feature=related

Part 3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofc3zUdIFGA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXKa5uP1fMQ&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajJNj2JTFhA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRLpxENvesE&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KEjTt8s-c0&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOqGIbEHoMs&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbBbi6pbB4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVblQvlcAZ4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmoT8vbrYA0&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsbzBySD2LU

ay123
05-04-11, 13:53
Criticise PAP = kpkb

Criticise Opposition = Got Brains.

Yep, you are confirmed a PAP parrot who just repeat PAP mantra with no thought analysis.

Even Ministerial Pay is not abuse and greed, then what is abuse and greed ?

I agree such payscale in Big Businesses because of fluctuating company performance every year and is much more risky with little job security every year. Even CEOs can be sacked and replaced easily.

Compare to Minister's every 5 years job guarantee and even when make bread & butter mistakes relevant to ministries, nothing happens to the Ministers.

Even CNN took up this pay issue which CNA and ST do not dare to do and compare.

Looking at your past arguments, when it is proven shallow , you just insult.

No wonder you lose credibility.



:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

so wat is yr motive for pleading sporean to vote for lina chiam knowing that she cannot make it. can u explain why u need a not capable in parliament? sincere? from beginning to now u keep bugging on minister pay check. tats why i asked u before, if take out the pay issue, how u grade govt? is it worse than someone who, a vice chairman of the team but don know abt national issue, have no plan for the team, cannt even get the basic fact right for debate and keep saying "please correct me if i am wrong"

Regulators
05-04-11, 13:55
Students cme to my centres coz my tutors are all well qualified and provide good service. I have more than 1000 students and if we are doing a bad job, why would many civil servants and pap supporters still send their kids to my tuition centres. Good out not is for students and parents involved to judge, not you.
no one is interested in yr self praise glory. i do not get anything from govt as well but i said before i vote with my open eye and brain. and u calling ppl lackey only show how low graded personality u have. if u gutsy enough, stand out and oppose openly like a MAN, don like wenqing, wear dress and hide behind the computer and "cow pek cow boo" and calling ppl name. u are another hopeless man. why don u just concentrate in yr conning parent business and keep quite. i pity those student who attended yr class must have brainwash by such a despicable tutor...sigh...

eng81157
05-04-11, 14:06
so wat is yr motive for pleading sporean to vote for lina chiam knowing that she cannot make it. can u explain why u need a not capable in parliament? sincere? from beginning to now u keep bugging on minister pay check. tats why i asked u before, if take out the pay issue, how u grade govt? is it worse than someone who, a vice chairman of the team but don know abt national issue, have no plan for the team, cannt even get the basic fact right for debate and keep saying "please correct me if i am wrong"

between lina chiam and tin pei ling, i would choose the former at any time.
between the devil and the deep blue sea, i'd rather take the plunge

ysyap
05-04-11, 14:17
On one hand, PAP candidates offer high moral reasons such as "Mother Singapore is calling and since I can help, I come out to help.... blah blah blah"

On the other hand, PAP top gun defense their position for giving high allowance so as to attract or retain "talents" for the nation...

What a lame reason. Is garment trying to price morality in exchange of service. Lastly, do you want someone who look up at $$$ to serve you?

Just cut MP's pay by 60% and no additional allowances, see how many will continue to serve.. these are the ones who serve the nation not on $$$.... :D

ysyap
05-04-11, 14:18
between lina chiam and tin pei ling, i would choose the former at any time.
between the devil and the deep blue sea, i'd rather take the plunge
Agreed... lina Chiam though new has been with her husband the past many years, helping him and watching him maybe since Ms Tin was a child???

Although I don't live in Potong Pasir, I fear for Mr Chiam and wife as they take on new roles... tough fight in Bishan and Potong Pasir (surely PAP will seize every opportunity to take one of the few places they have not taken for the last 2 and half decade). It was MBT who lost to Mr Chiam at Potong Pasir in 1984 (think so)... hmmm.... :)

wenqing
05-04-11, 14:30
Agreed... lina Chiam though new has been with her husband the past many years, helping him and watching him maybe since Ms Tin was a child???

Although I don't live in Potong Pasir, I fear for Mr Chiam and wife as they take on new roles... tough fight in Bishan and Potont Pasir (surely PAP will seize every opportunity to take one of the few places they have not taken for the last 2 and half decade). It was MBT who lost to Mr Chiam at Potong Pasir in 1984 (think so)... hmmm.... :)

Found these comments which strikes my heart.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/am-own-person-lina-chiam-20110330-220240-277.html


Lina Chiam may be the wife of Chiam See Tong but she has been helping CST for 27 years managing Potong Pasir.She has the experience.

Lina Chiam is much better than some PAP candidates who just became citizen at 2008, never do grassroots before, never do town council before and are money faced bankers.

If MM Lee can rope in PM Lee who rope in Ho Ching to help things at country level, I do not see a problem with Lina Chiam achieving at constituency level.

Potong Pasir wants CST to stay around but CST needs also to do his duty to Singaporeans and Opposition as well by opening the GRC road for Opposition once and for all.

Chiam let his wife take over so the CST brand remains in Potong Pasir and if CST wins a GRC, he could manage both Potong Pasir and GRC at same time.

CST has survive for 27 years since 1984 against bigger odds. He knows the ground and knows what he is doing. Some PAP MPs could only last 5 years after collecting their new addition to CVs.

Both Low and Chiam knows they have someone reliable to take over HQ and confident about voters trust in their judgement that why they willing to venture to GRCs to open new land for Opposition.

If both Chiam and Low stay in Potong Pasir and Hougang forever, they will sooner or later be drown by the sea of PAP areas around which surrounds them.

@Royang

It is not nepotism as Lina Chiam still need to win elections and go through the process of contest on her own before being confirmed as MP. The Chiam Branding is there of course.

It is different where there is no contest and being appointed by people close to you.

Lina Chiam is not appointed, she needs to be voted.

Please understand the difference.

wenqing
05-04-11, 14:32
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/am-own-person-lina-chiam-20110330-220240-277.html#mwpphu-container


I am my own person: Lina Chiam


Her husband may be an icon for opposition politics, having helmed the Potong Pasir single-seat ward since 1984, and she may have worked alongside him all these years, but to some residents, she is still a 'new face' who will have to prove herself to win their vote in the coming General Election (GE).


Lina Chiam (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Lina+Chiam&fr=fp-today&cs=bz), 62, who will contest in Potong Pasir under the Singapore People's Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Singapore+People%27s+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (SPP), recognises this.

Her husband, five-term Member of Parliament (MP) Chiam See Tong (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Chiam+See+Tong&fr=fp-today&cs=bz), 76, has expressed interest in contesting in the Bishan-Toa Payoh group representation constituency (GRC).

"It does help that you're Chiam See Tong's wife," she admits in an interview with Yahoo! Singapore. "But in the end, you still have to prove yourself, your brand of politics."

Chiam, who is the SPP's second vice-chairwoman, tries to do house visits up to four times each week: "(The) walkabout is important for me, because I need to let them see my face and who I am."

Contesting in Potong Pasir is not an act of "nepotism", she stresses. "I'm willing to serve, take care of the residents. It's not because of money or power or prestige."

She cites a multi-story carpark, fitness centres for seniors, a polyclinic and children's library as some amenities she will lobby for as an MP.

Chiam's brand of politics


To Chiam, "Politics is serving people, the interest of the country — economically, socially. I'm in opposition politics and I want to ensure (there is) democracy. It's very important and it must survive."

"I'm a woman so my working style might be more gentle, more motherly, more understanding," said the former nurse, comparing her working style to that of her husband.

Yet she also describes herself as a "very forthright" and "very strong-willed" person.

Drawing from her nursing experience, Chiam said,"Even my husband, when I'm taking care of him when he's sick, I have to be very strict with him, if not, they are being mollycoddled. They don't get well."

Addressing the news reports of disputes between the SPP and Singapore Democratic Alliance, Chiam reflected, "It's just one part of political life."

"It's just like a family, you have quarrels then you get back. We learn to be forgiving and compassionate and have graciousness."

However, she declined to comment on the relationship between the Chiams and Mr Chiam's former protegee Desmond Lim, who recently quit the party after a much publicised disagreement with the couple.

"I want to focus on the elections now and how to win the hearts and minds of my residents. I think that is past already," she said. "I believe all of us are able to have our own objectives and agenda, and move forward from there."

Why not retire?

In moving forward, some residents and observers have wondered if Mr Chiam should retire as the long-reigning MP for Potong Pasir, rather than contest in a GRC and possibly lose.

"If Singapore, by chance, had a lot of opposition members, I think my husband would have retired. As it is, he is already not that well," responded Chiam, referring to the mild stroke Mr Chiam suffered in 2008.


"But as you can see there is still two. ... So somebody has to take the sacrifice, who better to do (it) than my husband, who is a veteran," she said, adding that he is "mentally prepared" for the challenge.


She knows this will be "one of the toughest" elections the couple will face, since both are contesting, but she believes their years of election experience will help.


"Whether we win or not, we don't know," she said. But the risk is "worth it".

"At least my husband can say 'I've tried'.'"

wenqing
05-04-11, 14:36
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47155.1


47155.1 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47155.1)

“We must give the PAP 48 %, wake them up!”

April 05, 2011 Tuesday, 06:23 AM


http://blogs.straitstimes.com/assets/2009/6/16/byline-chua2.jpg

Chua Mui Hoong goes on a Workers' Party walkabout in Nee Soon GRC and talks to a supporter

I’VE been covering politics for 20 years, chalking up dozens of walkabouts by ministers, MPs and would-be MPs.

Yesterday, I wasn’t assigned to cover the Workers’ Party walkabout (that honour went to my colleague Zakir Hussain) but I gave up a Sunday morning anyway to trail behind the WP morning tour of Chong Pang market in Nee Soon GRC.

I like to linger on, after the party entourage has left, to talk to residents about their encounter with the MP or candidate.

One man I targeted was a man in his 50s, with a tanned, weather-beaten face. He was leaning on a rail, cradling in his arms a dog on a leash, as the WP group of about 30 walked past. He pumped a fist in the air and shouted in Mandarin: “Gong ren dang! Jia you!” (Workers’ Party! Keep it up!)

The WP team led by secretary-general Low Thia Khiang came by to shake hands. They left. I stayed, introduced myself as a reporter, and we talked.

Q: Why do you support the opposition?
“I support the WP. They are a responsible, mature party. I listen to them in Parliament. Low Thia Khiang and that Lin Rui Lian (Sylvia Lim) , they don’t talk nonsense.

“Unlike the Singapore Democratic Party. Chee Soon Juan was standing here (pointing to the a small square in front of the block) talking in the last election and I didn’t even bother. The WP is different, they talk sense.”

Q: Why do you support the opposition in Parliament?
“We must give the PAP 48, 49 per cent in some GRC, wake them up!

“The prices of things are rising so fast. One cup of coffee here (points to coffeeshop) has gone up by 20 cents! MRT fares are so high. You top up with $10, you take a trip out and back, and it’s gone!”

Q: Where do you work?

“I work in the neighbourhood, just odd jobs. I tried to get a job. Employers tell me - you are too old, we want someone younger. I tell them - okay, I ask my mother to give birth to another son and in 20 years’ time he can work for you, okay?

“We older ones in our 50s, life is hard.”

Q: Life can’t be that hard for you, you can afford to keep a dog that looks very well cared for.

“This is my daughter’s dog.”

Q: You have children?

“Four, all grown up. So I’m okay, but a lot of people in their 50s, my age group, they are not. The People’s Action Party doesn’t take care of Singaporeans any more.

You walk around, so many foreigners are doing our jobs. When Minister Mentor Lee (Kuan Yew) was Prime Minister, all these wouldn’t have happened.”

Q: This is a GRC. If the opposition wins, it means one less minister.
“So? There are so many ministers, what is one less? Don’t tell me the government can’t function with one less minister?”

Q: Unless it is the Prime Minister?
“There are three Prime Ministers, isn’t there? PM and two deputy Prime Ministers.”

Q: I would like to write about what you said, is that alright?
“Yes, and please write the correct things. Don’t write and say the PAP is very good. Write what I said, speak the truth!”

Q: You told me your surname just now. Are you okay if I write it down?
“No, no, no need. But write the truth about what I said!”

I didn’t tape the conversation. I only started taking down notes after that chat ended.

The above is the gist of what we spoke about, based on my recollection and my skeletal notes as I walked away from him and joined the rest of the WP walkabout.

It is an imperfect record. It is only one conversation, with one voter. But if he were speaking the truth, this conversation gives an insight into the thinking of one person in his 50s who is finding it hard to get a steady job and is prepared to support the opposition.


He may or may not represent others in this demographic group. But his views ought to provide food for thought for those who want to seek his vote.

wenqing
05-04-11, 14:51
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47131.1


Singapore MPs are eligible for pensions. A Wikipedia article on the parliament of Singapore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Singapore) says:

Persons who have reached the age of 50 years and retired as MPs and who have served in this capacity for not less than nine years may be granted a pension for the rest of their lives.



The annual amount payable is 1⁄30 of the person's highest annual salary for every completed year of service and 1⁄360 for every uncompleted year, up to a ceiling of two-thirds of the member's annual salary.

wenqing
05-04-11, 14:54
Funny remarks from Internet forums but worth considering.


http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47137.1

http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC110405-0000325/Diversity-in-PAPs-line-up--Wong-Kan-Seng


Refer to the last paragraph of page 1 in Today papers (5/4/11),


Quote : [ As for Mr Goh's other remarks that Cabinet Ministers may have to serve two terms at most, on average, in the name of leadership renewal in the future, Mr Wong said: "That's his opinion and we'll leave it at that." ]


Pro-pinky's faction delivers TinTin as saboteur to Woody Goh's camp. Woody thinks WTF so he lobs a stink-bomb back at them.
That is getting fun to watch.


The public know that this infighting occurs when either the co-ordination within the party is poor or there is a gross lack of leadership (on pinky's part) when the generals begin to fight each other.


Notice this happened when lau lee is in TW & not in Sg?

That goes to show how little these generals "respect" pinky.

wenqing
05-04-11, 14:57
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47115.1


47115.1 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47115.1) Congrats, Koo Tsai Kee, 20 years unelected MP ! (http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/04/04/congrats-koo-tsai-kee-20-years-unelected-mp/)


Mr Koo Tsai Kee, Member of Parliament for Tanjong Pagar GRC is retiring. I would like to offer him my heartiest congratulations.
He’s been MP for 20 years – since his maiden foray into electoral politics in 1991.

I am congratulating Mr Koo for doing what – as far as I can see – no other MP has done. This is why I find the rather toned-down announcement of his retirement and the inconspicuous reports by the media has done him a great disservice.

So, what is it that this great man has done or achieved?

Mr Koo is the only MP who has – in all of his 20 years as MP – never won a single election outright.

More remarkable is because he has never fought an election, he also has never won a single vote.

No one in Tanjong Pagar had to cast a single vote for him – in all of 20 years.

1991. 1997. 2001. 2006.

All walkovers uncontested.

It is indeed, whichever way you look at it, an astounding achievement.

Mr Koo has singlehandedly demonstrated what it means to be a successful “Walkover MP”.

The Straits Times, in its own small and humble way, tried to pay a well-deserved tribute to Mr Koo by telling us that “he has served residents in two wards in the GRC: his own Tiong Bahru ward as well as Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew’s Tanjong Pagar ward, where he stands in at Mr Lee’s Meet the People sessions.“


You may have stood in at MM Lee’s MPS’s but remember, its his coat-tails which you have hung on for two decades.

Even so, and just for “standing in” at MM Lee’s MPS’s, this alone deserves recognition.

Mr Koo is also Minister of State (MOS) for Defence. Which means he bags home some S$1.2 to S$1.6 million a year?

At S$15,000 a month as MP and that insane salary as MOS, Mr Koo can retire happy – and very rich indeed.


Not a bad deal for not having to contest any elections ever, eh?


Well done, Mr Koo! I salute you! And I also salute the miracle of the GRC system!
.
OneSingaporean

wenqing
05-04-11, 15:30
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/happy-way-things-hougang-residents-20110403-023516-644.html?cmtnav=/mwphucmtgetnojspage/headcontent/blog/77d7a01f-e76a-353c-8c23-fc15c7760d43//date/desc/21/s67993#mwpphu-container


Looks like WP can attract alot of heavyweights from Private Sector while PAP can only pull in same old stories from NTUC, Civil Service, Stats Boards and secretary's wife.

It is easier to be heavyweight in Public Sector than Private Sector. Private Sector got alot more challenges and competition.

wenqing
05-04-11, 15:36
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/reaction-cna-forum-thumbs-workers-party-sdp-20110402-192024-072.html


Reaction to CNA forum: Thumbs up for Workers’ Party and SDP


It was described as an "unedited", "uncut", "no holds barred" forum that would, for the first time in more than 20 years, pit four opposition parties' representatives against two People's Action Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=People%27s+Action+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (PAP) members.

But according to public reaction, some parties were clearly unprepared for their big moment on television, while others took the chance to shine.

Present at the debate entitled "A Political Forum on Singapore's Future" that was aired on Channel News Asia on Saturday night were:

Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam and MP for Bishan-Toa Payoh Josephine Teo. Both are from the PAP.
Lina Chiam, second vice-chairperson of the Singapore People's Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Singapore+People%27s+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (SPP).
Gerald Giam, assistant webmaster of the Workers' Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Workers%27+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (WP).
Mohamed Nazem Suki, assistant secretary-general of the Singapore Democratic Alliance (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Singapore+Democratic+Alliance&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (SDA).
Vincent Wijeysingha, assistant treasurer of the Singapore Democratic Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Singapore+Democratic+Party&fr=fp-today&cs=bz) (SDP).The hour-long debate, which focused on Singapore's long-term and immediate challenges, touched on topics such as the rising cost of living, housing costs and influx of foreign workers, as well as what each party had to offer.

It was moderated by TV presenter Melissa Hyak.


Based on the people Yahoo! Singapore spoke to, and judging by the reactions on online platforms such as Twitter, the WP and SDP emerged with the most credit.


Some spoke clearly, persuasively, others were hesitant

Undergraduate Chew Rushan, 23, said she was "impressed" by Wijeysingha -- the son of former long-time Raffles Institution principal, Eugene -- who spoke "very clearly".


"After the forum, I even went to check out more about Dr Vincent Wijeysingha and what he does," she said.


Undergraduate Terence Lee, 24, also enjoyed the debate between Wijeysingha and Minister Tharman.


"They went at each other, they raised good points and counterpoints," he said.


The two participants crossed swords over topics such as whether basic services should be free of GST and if the standard of living is as good as the government claims.


For instance, the minister said Singapore's median income is "much higher than anywhere else in Asia, apart from Japan" and the lower-end incomes and quality of life is "far higher than anywhere else in Asia".


"Just do a walking around test and you'll know what I mean," he said.


"No, I don't know what you mean," retorted Wijeysingha. "We walk around every week and I'm not sure whether our neighbourhoods are as you say they are ... We see quite a different picture to the picture you've been painting."


WP's Giam, a former foreign services officer, also appeared to have won over some members of the public.


Retiree Steven Lye, who is in his 70s, felt Giam fared the best of all the candidates. "He was calm, very balanced and also very articulate and persuasive," he said.


Lye added, "Nazem represented the ordinary folks well on housing and transport issues" while Wijeysingha had a "firm grasp of the issues and made his points well".


Chiam, however, failed to impress.


While Lye felt the first-time candidate and wife of Potong Pasir incumbent Chiam See Tong was "too hesitant and not very persuasive",

Wakkaismusing tweeted, "am a tad disappointed with Lina Chiam… I fear for Potong Pasir."


During the course of the debate, Chiam required the moderator to repeat a question to her several times before she responded.


In an earlier interview with Today newspaper, Chiam said it was her first time in such a forum and she was "a bit nervous" initially.


Totallyguantweeted, "PAP needs a breakdown of their 'pretty' stats (statistics), SDA and SPP should have better speakers who do their homework and CNA should reduce PAP's two rep (representatives) to one."

A robust debate?


Political observer and law lecturer Eugene Tan said, the reliance on a prepared text took away the cut-and-thrust of the debate and the arguments from the PAP were "as expected, not new".


He added, the PAP participants were "not ruffled in any significant way".

The quality of the opposition participants also "varied significantly," said Tan, who felt WP stood out best among the opposition parties.

He said, by articulating their arguments on cost of living and foreign worker policy in a dispassionate way, "they left a relatively good impression of being fair and balanced".


Others, however, were "active on criticism" but did not have clear or concrete suggestions.


Sociologist Tan Ern Ser said the debate was "a good start" and "a reality check" as it required politicians to reach a wider audience, including the skeptics and cynics.

However, he felt the debate on cost of living and foreign workers did not shed new light on the topics.


"Apart from talking about numbers and threats from having foreigners, we should discuss how we could enhance Singaporean' sense of security in an increasingly more risky world," he suggested.


In the end, these were the main points the different parties made to the watching audience.

PAP

A team that is fair, proven, experienced and knows how to deal with crisis
New leadershipSDA

A government focused on public interest and not commercial interest
Less foreign workersSDP

Turn public services (eg education, healthcare, housing) into non-profit services
Cost of government (ministerial salary) to be reduced significantly
Abolish GST for basic goods
Singaporeans first policy
Introduce minimum wageSPP

Build more universities to encourage learning; encourage lifelong learning
Get schools to hold more talks for youth as platform for critical thinking; increase political awareness
Increase number of hospital beds
Take care of aged, marginalised citizens such as single mothersWP

An alternative government to ensure political checks and balances in governmentIf you missed the forum, you can view it here (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/gecountdown/forumvideos.htm).

Regulators
05-04-11, 15:44
not as simple as just cutting their pay by 60% from now on. They should also repay back into government coffers 60% of all their past pay for all the donkey years they had been in office and that money can easily be allocated to the building of another hospital or save hundreds of lives of people in need of medical aid who are not covered by insurance.

If leaders were to draw excessively from government coffers to enrich themselves, wouldn't it be like robbing the poor for their own gain? Any surplus funds should be used to help the needy and not paid to leaders by the millions in bonuses. If our leaders want to compare themselves to bankers and CEOs in the private sector and grumble about pay issues, they do not have the right heart to serve the country. IMO, for portfolio ministers, $50k a month is more than sufficient for them to live a comfortable life. Many ministers also have their other directorships, jobs and businesses to help them earn more money, so why do they still need to dig millions from the people? If grassroot leaders and CC/RC volunteers can serve the community for free, why is $50k a month too little for a minister to accept?


Just cut MP's pay by 60% and no additional allowances, see how many will continue to serve.. these are the ones who serve the nation not on $$$.... :D

ay123
05-04-11, 15:57
Students cme to my centres coz my tutors are all well qualified and provide good service. I have more than 1000 students and if we are doing a bad job, why would many civil servants and pap supporters still send their kids to my tuition centres. Good out not is for students and parents involved to judge, not you.

impressive!! every student let u con few hundreds a month, u are also making lots of ill-gotten $ from naive parent. why don u use these ill-gotten $ to be robin hood and help the poor?

Regulators
05-04-11, 22:11
I do lots of charity fyi. We are talking about using public funds wisely to help the needy not talking about individual philanthropy. with regard to the parents I deal with, many can't wait to thank me for helping their kids improve their grades, so as long I am serving them well, it does not bother me about what you say. [/LIST]
impressive!! every student let u con few hundreds a month, u are also making lots of ill-gotten $ from naive parent. why don u use these ill-gotten $ to be robin hood and help the poor?

peterng8
06-04-11, 12:00
:D
Judging from your posts, you will make a good pap lackey and mp bootlicker

I definitely agree....no doubt about that...

ay123
06-04-11, 12:04
:D

I definitely agree....no doubt about that...

u have no brain of yr own of course agree lah......agent is the best lackey.....only know how to say yes sir, yes sir, yes sir

peterng8
06-04-11, 12:12
u have no brain of yr own of course agree lah......agent is the best lackey.....only know how to say yes sir, yes sir, yes sir

who the F""K up who say i am an agent? who do you think you are? to me u are no brainer whihc lick some one ass...:D

westman
06-04-11, 12:20
who the F""K up who say i am an agent? who do you think you are? to me u are no brainer whihc lick some one ass...:D

Aiya, Dun't waste time with such...

There's a saying...

Read this from CNA forum....

Even when PAP produce shits from time to time (Mas Salamat, Mass Public Transport etc..) and then they tell their supporters to market it as roses. Their supporters believe their great leaders so much that they agreed it's rose and it smell like one too....

:2cents:

proud owner
06-04-11, 13:01
mabe its a honest mistake? lets move on....

btw, is medishield insurance alone sufficient for hospitalization coverage these days?

i am getting worried wor....

some say cancer is still a rich's man disease

err

govt people said someone or do something wrong ... lets move on


the people said or do something wrong ... PUNISH him ...cane him

cane wrongly ...dont apologize ..just compensate in UNKNOWN amt ...ouitside court settlement

this is our govt

devilplate
06-04-11, 13:15
err

govt people said someone or do something wrong ... lets move on


the people said or do something wrong ... PUNISH him ...cane him

cane wrongly ...dont apologize ..just compensate in UNKNOWN amt ...ouitside court settlement

this is our govt

wah sounds like u got a grievance case there....mind sharing:scared-5:

proud owner
06-04-11, 13:39
wah sounds like u got a grievance case there....mind sharing:scared-5:

nothing personally

just whats been in the news in the past 40 over yrs ...


we have seen it and heard it all

THEY ARE NEVER WRONG

if they do, they just keep quiet and MOVE ON

ay123
06-04-11, 14:09
who the F""K up who say i am an agent? who do you think you are? to me u are no brainer whihc lick some one ass...:D

yes sir, yes sir, yes sir.......this is u (agent style).....always go with the wind..... please, if u are given a brain, USE IT!!!!

ay123
06-04-11, 14:15
Aiya, Dun't waste time with such...

There's a saying...

Read this from CNA forum....

Even when PAP produce shits from time to time (Mas Salamat, Mass Public Transport etc..) and then they tell their supporters to market it as roses. Their supporters believe their great leaders so much that they agreed it's rose and it smell like one too....

:2cents:

so u are another saint who feel for the poor, feel unjust minister pay.....
if u have wat it take, TAKE ACTION, don hide behind the computer...complian complain complain.....like old woman!!!

already said i vote with my open eye and my brain. i am of no side. i go for the team who produce result. poverty is only one of the issue many country face. important is a team that can bring growth to spore, who care whether is PAP brand or opposition brand.

Regulators
06-04-11, 15:17
who produce results? Without capable singaporeans in all sectors of the economy, do you think pap alone can make singapore a first world country? Our present government is making or citizenship rights less significant when any tom dick or harry can get pr or citizenship in our country easily. I got pr telling me not worth it being singaporean with so many strings attached, they would rather remain a pr, reap all the benefits that should rightfully belong only to singaporeans and when they are tired of singapore, they just return back to their countries.
so u are another saint who feel for the poor, feel unjust minister pay.....
if u have wat it take, TAKE ACTION, don hide behind the computer...complian complain complain.....like old woman!!!

already said i vote with my open eye and my brain. i am of no side. i go for the team who produce result. poverty is only one of the issue many country face. important is a team that can bring growth to spore, who care whether is PAP brand or opposition brand.

devilplate
06-04-11, 15:24
I got pr telling me not worth it being singaporean with so many strings attached, they would rather remain a pr, reap all the benefits that should rightfully belong only to singaporeans and when they are tired of singapore, they just return back to their countries.

mind sharing wat r the benefits PR reap which actually only belongs to citizens?:scared-3:

Regulators
06-04-11, 15:38
Buying of hdb flats
mind sharing wat r the benefits PR reap which actually only belongs to citizens?:scared-3:

ysyap
06-04-11, 15:42
err

govt people said someone or do something wrong ... lets move on


the people said or do something wrong ... PUNISH him ...cane him

cane wrongly ...dont apologize ..just compensate in UNKNOWN amt ...ouitside court settlement

this is our govt

Hahaha! Yeah... lots of examples just whizzing pass my mind now that you mentioned... :cheers3: but cannot write not coz its too sensitive but coz its too much ... :spliff:

ay123
06-04-11, 15:49
nothing personally

just whats been in the news in the past 40 over yrs ...


we have seen it and heard it all

THEY ARE NEVER WRONG

if they do, they just keep quiet and MOVE ON

heard a saying before..... a leader must know mistake, rectify mistake but NEVER admit mistake. no leader would want to use a stone to hit his own head........

westman
06-04-11, 16:08
heard a saying before..... a leader must know mistake, rectify mistake but NEVER admit mistake. no leader would want to use a stone to hit his own head........

What kind of saying and mind to share?

知错能改,善莫大焉。知耻勇夫,善也。
死不悔改,强词夺理,然也?

westman
06-04-11, 16:10
so u are another saint who feel for the poor, feel unjust minister pay.....
if u have wat it take, TAKE ACTION, don hide behind the computer...complian complain complain.....like old woman!!!

already said i vote with my open eye and my brain. i am of no side. i go for the team who produce result. poverty is only one of the issue many country face. important is a team that can bring growth to spore, who care whether is PAP brand or opposition brand.

I'm not saint.
Is there anything wrong to feel for the poor?

Please don't brush us aside just becos you think ur right! What's right fo you have?

Enough is Enough!!:2cents:

westman
06-04-11, 16:23
so u are another saint who feel for the poor, feel unjust minister pay.....
if u have wat it take, TAKE ACTION, don hide behind the computer...complian complain complain.....like old woman!!!

already said i vote with my open eye and my brain. i am of no side. i go for the team who produce result. poverty is only one of the issue many country face. important is a team that can bring growth to spore, who care whether is PAP brand or opposition brand.

On second tot, am glad you will vote with your heart. Cheers

ay123
06-04-11, 16:39
On second tot, am glad you will vote with your heart. Cheers

no hard feeling lah. sometime this kind of discussion get heated up very easily one leh :cheers1: . u are right i vote with my heart and pocket hor

devilplate
06-04-11, 16:51
Buying of hdb flats
They buy without grant and got mop period.... Doesnt bother me... But... I not happy to let PR buy our 999/FH landed!!!:simmering:

land118
06-04-11, 17:39
They buy without grant and got mop period.... Doesnt bother me... But... I not happy to let PR buy our 999/FH landed!!!:simmering:Ya, 999/FH landed shld be for citizens only, strictly applied and complied..., if they buy 999/FH mean they see Singapore as long term prospects, then they should give up their passport and become citizen...:simmering:

ysyap
06-04-11, 17:47
Ya, 999/FH landed shld be for citizens only, strictly applied and complied..., if they buy 999/FH mean they see Singapore as long term prospects, then they should give up their passport and become citizen...:simmering:

Yes yes... if landed are strictly for S'poreans, then prices won't climb so quickly... nearly doubled since 10 years ago... :doh:

Regulators
06-04-11, 17:49
Market forces deciding prices plus massive influx of pr property buyers with lots of money is a recipe for disaster in public housing.
They buy without grant and got mop period.... Doesnt bother me... But... I not happy to let PR buy our 999/FH landed!!!:simmering:

ysyap
06-04-11, 17:50
Anyway, on the issue of election, came across an article that attributed higher cost of living to PAP's policy... Opposition will surely whack PAP on this in their rallies...enjoy reading...

Gov’t to blame for rising cost of living?

By Seah Chiang Nee
The rising cost of living is fast becoming the second biggest concern — next to jobs and earnings — among Singaporeans, who will go to the polls this year.
Last week they received more bad news. Electricity costs will rise by 6.5 percent this month and a major oil firm will put up petrol prices at the pump.
These are the latest of a string of price increases that have been ploughing through the city heartland, often uncontrollably, and a few of them by substantial margins.
The whole thing is now like dominos going down, with one price hike leading to another.
For example, more cafes and restaurants are charging diners up to S$1 for a glass of water, and one bicycle shop in Tampines is reportedly charging cyclists 50 cents for pumping air into tyres.
In the heartland, it sometimes takes on laughable proportions, with some hawkers imposing an additional charge on customers who want a bit more sauce, ketchup or chilli.
The most damaging are big-ticket items like healthcare and homes, public transport, cars, petrol and, of course, foodstuff.
Few things — big or small — are spared for long. Sooner or later rentals will go up and vendors will charge more to make up for that.
A random look at the press showed a wide range of products and services being affected — from school bus fees to baby food, from car insurance to curry puffs.
In the past, the government had managed inflation well, keeping costs very low despite the island's dependency on the outside world for oil, commodities and food.
But in the past five years (except for the recession), inflation has made life tough for the average wage earner.
A big factor was the sharp rises in energy, commodity and food price worldwide.
Some Singaporeans attribute the rising prices to the government's "grow at all costs" strategy and its mass intake of foreigners within a short period, which strained resources.
"I think a large part of the inflation in Singapore is induced by government policy," said Leong Wai Ho, senior regional economist, Barclays Capital.
He was referring to the COE system, in which a person has to bid for a Certificate of Entitlement (with a 10-year life span) before he can buy a new car in Singapore.
Currently, the COE for a car ranges from S$40,000 to S$60,000 depending on capacity, after rising to incredible levels.
"If you take that away, inflation will be Singapore (sic) is much more manageable," Leong added.
A writer said: "The cost of living is growing, fuelled by demand from an enlarged populace for scarce resources, as well as higher government taxes and fees."
During Singapore's brief post-independence history, residents of this small island, which has few natural resources, have been conditioned to deal with the occasional price spasm.
When times were good, these could be shrugged away. This year, it appears harder to limit the damage than before.
The current crisis appears more fundamental and lasting.
In fact, it may become a structured feature in cosmopolitan Singapore.
I believe that many aspects may have been due to our ambition to become a metropolis for the rich and talented.
This means prices are no longer determined only by supply and demand.
With the world's highest increase in the proportion of millionaires, and massive foreign funds coming in, Singapore has been transformed for good.
People can forget about prices falling back to pre-inflation levels, barring a calamity.
The plague of 5 percent-5.5 percent inflation is eating into people's salaries and savings.
"I'm worried because my bank savings, which fetch only interest of 0.15%, are losing out," a housewife lamented. "When you save, you lose; don't invest, even worse."
Those who have mandatory retirement savings will be similarly affected.
Their CPF (Central Provident Fund) ordinary account pays them only 2.5 percent a year.
"With this inflation, all citizens' CPF will depreciate in value before we can even use it.
"The payout (on retirement) will probably be enough only for daily coffee expenses," a surfer said.
A chief investment officer commented: "We are likely to see increasing inflationary pressures in the quarters and years to come."
Singaporeans are particularly concerned about the possible decline of their CPF money which must follow any prolonged inflation.
The fear is very real and strong in many families.
Will the public's concern affect the election results? I believe it will, to some extent.
TODAY newspaper, which recently surveyed heartland voters on this subject, reported:
"From basic necessities to hawker meals, from holidays to that new car, from healthcare bills to expenses related to starting and raising a family, it seems that Singaporeans are certainly feeling the pinch of higher prices."
It found 40 percent of poorer Singaporeans (income from nil to S$2,000 a month) replied that the rising living costs would affect how they would vote.
Among those earning S$2,001-S$6,000, six in 10 said the issue would influence how they cast their ballot, TODAY reported.
Some older citizens, who are not benefiting from Singapore's dazzling plan to become a world-class city, are unhappy. "Give us back our older days" is their common cry.
The idea is less attractive to the younger set, which has adapted well to new technologies, although still trying hard to cope with the high prices.

land118
06-04-11, 17:57
Government knows...., so in CNA today...they say we will get letters of goodie$ very soon..., which only mean GE is getting closer

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1120804/1/.html

S'poreans to get letters on growth dividends & other payouts
Posted: 05 April 2011 1715 hrs

SINGAPORE:

From 5 April, 2.5 million Singaporeans will receive letters from the government informing them of the amount of Growth Dividends, CPF Medisave top-ups, Workfare and personal income tax rebates they will individually receive this year.

The letter will also contain information on other household benefits they will receive from Budget 2011. The majority of Singaporeans will receive their letters by the end of this week.

The "Grow & Share" Package, together with other benefits in Budget 2011, will help Singaporeans cope with higher costs of living this year. Most lower- and middle-income Singaporean households will receive benefits that are much larger than the increase in the cost of their household baskets this year.

A typical lower-income two generation household living in a 3-room HDB flat will receive benefits of about S$3,500, which is significantly more than the cost increases they are expected to face. This is true also for a typical middle-income three-generation household living in a 5-room HDB, who will receive benefits of about S$4,000.

Singaporeans will receive S$2 billion in Growth Dividends and CPF Medisave top-ups on 1 May.

Further information on the "Grow & Share" package, including a calculator that will enable Singaporeans to know how much household benefits they should receive, is available on www.growandshare.gov.sg or by calling 1800 2222 888.

- CNA/ir

hopeful
06-04-11, 18:06
definitely, people's gratitude can only last so long.
If give goodies one year before election, no effect.

land118
06-04-11, 18:13
Top-ups on May Day, so there will be good things to talk about and solid speeches for MAY DAY....

Regulators
06-04-11, 18:34
the goodies I get not even enough to pay half my road tax :doh:
definitely, people's gratitude can only last so long.
If give goodies one year before election, no effect.

westman
06-04-11, 19:00
no hard feeling lah. sometime this kind of discussion get heated up very easily one leh :cheers1: . u are right i vote with my heart and pocket hor

Great and cool down.:cheers1:
Anyway, not sure about you. Me actually quite hardcore PAP supporter before.
However, am very disappointed since 2006.

Anyway, am prepare to hear what opp and pap can offers with regards to FT/living costs/healthcare/education/transport/housing matters.

Credit to 1G PAP MPs as they did a good job.
I will be looking forward to LHL layout what PAP will do for the next five years before deciding my vote.

wenqing
06-04-11, 20:46
Great and cool down.:cheers1:
Anyway, not sure about you. Me actually quite hardcore PAP supporter before.
However, am very disappointed since 2006.

Anyway, am prepare to hear what opp and pap can offers with regards to FT/living costs/healthcare/education/transport/housing matters.

Credit to 1G PAP MPs as they did a good job.
I will be looking forward to LHL layout what PAP will do for the next five years before deciding my vote.

I was like you but gave up believing already.

I realise PAP broken promises were always there, just that ST and CNA did not remind us.

We forgot when next elections arrive and got distracted by terms like 'A-Team and the future for next 5 years.

But every year got bread & butter issues which did not go away. This does not reconcile with highest ministers salary in the world and High % GDP growth.

I want to break out of this cycle for good.


PAP GE 2006 Broken Promises.

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?69586-Broken-Promises-from-2006-election

wenqing
06-04-11, 20:49
Government knows...., so in CNA today...they say we will get letters of goodie$ very soon..., which only mean GE is getting closer

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1120804/1/.html

S'poreans to get letters on growth dividends & other payouts
Posted: 05 April 2011 1715 hrs

SINGAPORE:

From 5 April, 2.5 million Singaporeans will receive letters from the government informing them of the amount of Growth Dividends, CPF Medisave top-ups, Workfare and personal income tax rebates they will individually receive this year.

The letter will also contain information on other household benefits they will receive from Budget 2011. The majority of Singaporeans will receive their letters by the end of this week.

The "Grow & Share" Package, together with other benefits in Budget 2011, will help Singaporeans cope with higher costs of living this year. Most lower- and middle-income Singaporean households will receive benefits that are much larger than the increase in the cost of their household baskets this year.

A typical lower-income two generation household living in a 3-room HDB flat will receive benefits of about S$3,500, which is significantly more than the cost increases they are expected to face. This is true also for a typical middle-income three-generation household living in a 5-room HDB, who will receive benefits of about S$4,000.

Singaporeans will receive S$2 billion in Growth Dividends and CPF Medisave top-ups on 1 May.

Further information on the "Grow & Share" package, including a calculator that will enable Singaporeans to know how much household benefits they should receive, is available on www.growandshare.gov.sg (http://www.growandshare.gov.sg) or by calling 1800 2222 888.

- CNA/ir

Give drumstick , take back entire chicken.

This is well documented for years, surely you are not going to fall for it.

GST 10% is no joke.

Government so far had not come out to come clean and deny it.

I only vote on two issues which are GST increase to 7% and Minister Pay Hike to highest in the world.

Both happened after GE 2006 so no chance to vote on this yet.

ysyap
06-04-11, 21:37
Give drumstick , take back entire chicken.

This is well documented for years, surely you are not going to fall for it.

GST 10% is no joke.

Government so far had not come out to come clean and deny it.

I only vote on two issues which are GST increase to 7% and Minister Pay Hike to highest in the world.

Both happened after GE 2006 so no chance to vote on this yet.

Give a black and white picture of drumstick but require an entire real chicken...
Most of the 5% inflation stems from 2 sources... Super high COE (more than some car's body price that they already pack up and go home) and escalating housing prices. :scared-1:

Regulators
06-04-11, 22:38
Minister and prata man's pay hike definitely on the agenda. High medical cost and the useless medisave schemes are issues I have against the current government.
Give drumstick , take back entire chicken.

This is well documented for years, surely you are not going to fall for it.

GST 10% is no joke.

Government so far had not come out to come clean and deny it.

I only vote on two issues which are GST increase to 7% and Minister Pay Hike to highest in the world.

Both happened after GE 2006 so no chance to vote on this yet.

devilplate
06-04-11, 23:06
Give a black and white picture of drumstick but require an entire real chicken...
Most of the 5% inflation stems from 2 sources... Super high COE (more than some car's body price that they already pack up and go home) and escalating housing prices. :scared-1:

i actually support high COE....SG is too small to have so many cars....wats the point of having cars if u r always stuck in a jam? when coe cost ard 10k....any fresh grad can afford to drive a getz/picanto....or red plate hyundai/civic....:doh:

not sure if we remove the car component.,...wat will be the inflation rate?

devilplate
06-04-11, 23:09
Give drumstick , take back entire chicken.

This is well documented for years, surely you are not going to fall for it.

GST 10% is no joke.

Government so far had not come out to come clean and deny it.

I only vote on two issues which are GST increase to 7% and Minister Pay Hike to highest in the world.

Both happened after GE 2006 so no chance to vote on this yet.

is this type of rebates benefit the lowest end of the income earner?

inflation is inevitable....just tot tat a perfect solution wud be tax more on the rich and subsidise more on the poor(but make sure its not feeding the maggots):hell-hath-no-fury:

wenqing
06-04-11, 23:41
is this type of rebates benefit the lowest end of the income earner?

inflation is inevitable....just tot tat a perfect solution wud be tax more on the rich and subsidise more on the poor(but make sure its not feeding the maggots):hell-hath-no-fury:

I prefer's Opposition's plan to have GST only on luxuries.

The poor suffer more than rich when tax on necessities hence they buy less necessities like rice, sugar, salt, clothing etc after GST was implemented.

Before GST was implemented, the poor already hardly buy luxuries and struggling with necessities which is why they are call poor. Most spend on necessities.

After GST, the poor even need to cut down on necessities let alone luxuries.

Spending pattern of the poor is basic economics right ?

For the rich, spending on necessities is negligeble.

For the middle-class, no need to say, will become struggling class soon before next generation become poor.

wenqing
06-04-11, 23:44
Minister and prata man's pay hike definitely on the agenda. High medical cost and the useless medisave schemes are issues I have against the current government.

Yep, everybody has their own issues to vote on.

Some vote on foreign policies (PAP like do not have), some on healthcare, some vote on transport, some vote on bread & butter issues (every election have this issue, why ? ), some vote on housing policies etc.

Your issues should be enough.

There is no need to have too many issues to think about to decide your vote.

wenqing
06-04-11, 23:47
i actually support high COE....SG is too small to have so many cars....wats the point of having cars if u r always stuck in a jam? when coe cost ard 10k....any fresh grad can afford to drive a getz/picanto....or red plate hyundai/civic....:doh:

not sure if we remove the car component.,...wat will be the inflation rate?

If you notice on the roads, alot of cars are driven by foreigners and these foreigners are immune to COE and ERP.

I was given free unuse parking coupons a few times and all given by foreigners.

Foreigners are the biggest culprits for increase in human and car population and the government did not build enough roads on time to accomodate them.

wenqing
06-04-11, 23:52
Great and cool down.:cheers1:
Anyway, not sure about you. Me actually quite hardcore PAP supporter before.
However, am very disappointed since 2006.

Anyway, am prepare to hear what opp and pap can offers with regards to FT/living costs/healthcare/education/transport/housing matters.

Credit to 1G PAP MPs as they did a good job.
I will be looking forward to LHL layout what PAP will do for the next five years before deciding my vote.


I agree early generations of PAP leaders were good, public-minded and sincere.

To be frank, if MM Lee still PM, I will vote PAP.

Even SM Goh's time were good but he started the pork-barrel politics of HDB upgrading which set a bad precedent for future governments to follow.

PM Lee now and his merry gang shows obvious signs of deterioriation.

The new batch of leaders do not have the sincerity, will and strength of the old guard.

Whereas WP now reminds me of PAP Old Guard.

westman
07-04-11, 00:28
Give drumstick , take back entire chicken.

This is well documented for years, surely you are not going to fall for it.

GST 10% is no joke.

Government so far had not come out to come clean and deny it.

I only vote on two issues which are GST increase to 7% and Minister Pay Hike to highest in the world.

Both happened after GE 2006 so no chance to vote on this yet.

You are luck for just returing back entire chicken.
There are some returning all their entire $$$/assets or backside after the errection...:doh:

westman
07-04-11, 00:33
I agree early generations of PAP leaders were good, public-minded and sincere.

To be frank, if MM Lee still PM, I will vote PAP.

Even SM Goh's time were good but he started the pork-barrel politics of HDB upgrading which set a bad precedent for future governments to follow.

PM Lee now and his merry gang shows obvious signs of deterioriation.

The new batch of leaders do not have the sincerity, will and strength of the old guard.

Whereas WP now reminds me of PAP Old Guard.

Agreed.
Strangely, for this coming election, some OPP candidates backgrounds better than PAP while LHL claimed talents hard to find in SG.

Also, damn buay tahan SIn Min Daily and LianHeWanBao for their efforts to "REPORT" how good TPL is... how loyal Puthu can be... targeted purely at those senior folks wor... :doh:

rattydrama
07-04-11, 00:39
Agreed.
Strangely, for this coming election, some OPP candidates backgrounds better than PAP while LHL claimed talents hard to find in SG.

Also, damn buay tahan SIn Min Daily and LianHeWanBao for their efforts to "REPORT" how good TPL is... how loyal Puthu can be... targeted purely at those senior folks wor... :doh:

Publicity will not be given to opposition. remember its SPH.

opposition need to use other avenue but I bet they have the resources to do so. Very limited. I would like to see more check and balance.

extremme
07-04-11, 00:45
S$15000/month ? 5 days weeks means one day $750...can buy many many LV or panda baggie...:D :D
Aiyah she dun even buy Lv in e pix she held up a v sign to her face n was holding Kate spade bag n looking pretty kiddish, few grades below Lv

Sorry if I offend ks lovers though I also have a few ks bags

devilplate
07-04-11, 00:47
Aiyah she dun even buy Lv in e pix she held up a v sign to her face n was holding Kate spade bag n looking pretty kiddish, few grades below Lv

Sorry if I offend ks lovers though I also have a few ks bags

pasar malam bag can oredi lah...simi KS bag wor...:ashamed1:

devilplate
07-04-11, 00:50
If you notice on the roads, alot of cars are driven by foreigners and these foreigners are immune to COE and ERP.

I was given free unuse parking coupons a few times and all given by foreigners.

Foreigners are the biggest culprits for increase in human and car population and the government did not build enough roads on time to accomodate them.

mabe u can provide some stats about it?

i only see alot of red plate driven by youngsters....looks like fresh grad....

from wat i noe, not many expats drive.....if they do....mostly car rental

westman
07-04-11, 00:52
Did you guys noticed the following

From past errection, PAP often play the offensive role on specific OPP target (2006 was Gomez)..
This time round, PAP has a taste of their own medicines with TPL/Puthu/FooMH/Vikram saga...

LHL damn unlucky to have a bad start of their election campaign.

Also, PAP normally lead the race with miles apart from OPP with good candidates. Seem like that is no longer true with the WP's Chen....

Very juicy so far and tot the world has turn upside down liao...:doh:

wenqing
07-04-11, 00:54
Publicity will not be given to opposition. remember its SPH.

opposition need to use other avenue but I bet they have the resources to do so. Very limited. I would like to see more check and balance.

Yep, ST's and CNA's track record for covering elections has all along been not good and not healthy.

Receiving persistent one-sided good news about PAP and bad news about Opposition distorts voters ability to accurately vote for the right kind of people into Parliament.

SPH Chairman is ex-Minister Tony Tan.

Many hard truths about PAP candidates, ST and CNA will not help voters to dig and expose.

I already have serious doubts about characters of Tin Pei Ling, Foo Mee Har and Dr Janil 'I spend 10 years on children so no need do NS' Puthucheary. Plus the generals and NTUC members.

They all seem like money-grabbing opportunists who join for career advancements.

Directorships await all these people.

I already face reality about Singapore Media.

For GE 2011, I prefer to rely on Internet.

westman
07-04-11, 00:54
Aiyah she dun even buy Lv in e pix she held up a v sign to her face n was holding Kate spade bag n looking pretty kiddish, few grades below Lv

Sorry if I offend ks lovers though I also have a few ks bags

Sis, mind to share how you think on TPL from a lady point of view?
So far, most of my lady friends are damn TL about her. Gen Y females colleagues of mine lagi TL than those mature ladies...

How?

wenqing
07-04-11, 00:56
mabe u can provide some stats about it?

i only see alot of red plate driven by youngsters....looks like fresh grad....

from wat i noe, not many expats drive.....if they do....mostly car rental

Like I mentioned, there is no stats, just observation and experience.

At CBD, plenty of Caucasians drivers.

westman
07-04-11, 00:57
Yep, ST's and CNA's track record for covering elections has all along been not good and not healthy.

Receiving persistent one-sided good news about PAP and bad news about Opposition distorts voters ability to accurately vote for the right kind of people into Parliament.

SPH Chairman is ex-Minister Tony Tan.

Many hard truths about PAP candidates, ST and CNA will not help voters to dig and expose.

I already have serious doubts about characters of Tin Pei Ling, Foo Mee Har and Dr Janil 'I spend 10 years on children so no need do NS' Puthucheary. Plus the generals and NTUC members.

They all seem like money-grabbing opportunists who join for career advancements.

Directorships await all these people.

I already face reality about Singapore Media.

For GE 2011, I prefer to rely on Internet.

I think ST slightly better than Chinese Newspaper (ZB/WB/SM) as occasionally, some anit-news appeared in english papers while Chinese hard to come acorss (Apart from the one page exclusive for WP's Chen last weekend)

wenqing
07-04-11, 00:59
Did you guys noticed the following

From past errection, PAP often play the offensive role on specific OPP target (2006 was Gomez)..
This time round, PAP has a taste of their own medicines with TPL/Puthu/FooMH/Vikram saga...

LHL damn unlucky to have a bad start of their election campaign.

Also, PAP normally lead the race with miles apart from OPP with good candidates. Seem like that is no longer true with the WP's Chen....

Very juicy so far and tot the world has turn upside down liao...:doh:

Nothing last forever.

You notice the rivalries between SM Goh , PM Lee and DPM Wong in regards to Ministers should not serve more than 2 terms ?

He is hinting PM Lee should step down by GE 2016 and DPM Wong step down now.

:) :) :)

westman
07-04-11, 01:03
Nothing last forever.

You notice the rivalries between SM Goh , PM Lee and DPM Wong in regards to Ministers should not serve more than 2 terms ?

He is hinting PM Lee should step down by GE 2016 and DPM Wong step down now.

:) :) :)

Had been hearing that for quite a while and could not find any trace of such.

Yestersday news report was a shock to me.

BTW, if you recalled many years back when a PM remaked Singapore guy Kiasu, Kiasee and Kia bor during Rally day (Afraid to lose, Afraid to die and Afraid of wife). I tot it was referring to everyone wor and not specific one. BTW, this remakr was given before he step down as PM.

Now think back, he could be making a fun on someone wor given the open rivalry now...(go and think who meet the arks) :D :D

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:04
I think ST slightly better than Chinese Newspaper (ZB/WB/SM) as occasionally, some anit-news appeared in english papers while Chinese hard to come acorss (Apart from the one page exclusive for WP's Chen last weekend)

I notice that PAP and media got caught off guard by Tin 'Healthcare and Education in Singapore is Cheap' Pei Ling effect on Singaporeans.

These days, alot of articles writing good stuff about her, asking voters to give her a chance and even use examples of young politicians from other countries.

This is unprecedented in PAP election history. Goh Keng Swee and Lim Kim San will be very upset and turn in their grave.

Yes, I will give chance to newbies but I prefer to give Opposition the chance.

devilplate
07-04-11, 01:06
Like I mentioned, there is no stats, just observation and experience.

At CBD, plenty of Caucasians drivers.

its like u goto certain part of orchard, u see more branded cars den budget cars and we cant say there r more branded cars on the road in sg

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:08
its like u goto certain part of orchard, u see more branded cars den budget cars and we cant say there r more branded cars on the road in sg

It just gives me the feeling foreign drivers had increased in Singapore but not sure by how much.

Indian drivers also seen a lot.

devilplate
07-04-11, 01:08
I notice that PAP and media got caught off guard by Tin 'Healthcare and Education in Singapore is Cheap' Pei Ling effect on Singaporeans.

These days, alot of articles writing good stuff about her, asking voters to give her a chance and even use examples of young politicians from other countries.

This is unprecedented in PAP election history. Goh Keng Swee and Lim Kim San will be very upset and turn in their grave.

Yes, I will give chance to newbies but I prefer to give Opposition the chance.

mabe u can help WP to scout for more capable future leaders

westman
07-04-11, 01:09
I notice that PAP and media got caught off guard by Tin 'Healthcare and Education in Singapore is Cheap' Pei Ling effect on Singaporeans.

These days, alot of articles writing good stuff about her, asking voters to give her a chance and even use examples of young politicians from other countries.

This is unprecedented in PAP election history. Goh Keng Swee and Lim Kim San will be very upset and turn in their grave.

Yes, I will give chance to newbies but I prefer to give Opposition the chance.

According to some market kopi talk, those speech, video and photo web linkages were leaked from the internal to outside. Not sure who wor.

Interestingly, all these happened within hours and I doubt general public can fish out info that fast wor.:confused:

On the other hand, that show how shallow TPL is. Don't she knows most of us are relatively pissed with high costs in Healthcare and Education meh?

On second tot, can;t blamed her much also as she has yet to be a parent nor old enought o face those huge medical bills.....:doh:

devilplate
07-04-11, 01:10
It just gives me the feeling foreign drivers had increased in Singapore but not sure by how much.

Indian drivers also seen a lot.

we r multi racial society mah....even we see indians....aso duno they r singka or foreigner

extremme
07-04-11, 01:13
pasar malam bag can oredi lah...simi KS bag wor...:ashamed1:
Haha but if u look at e pix u will see e green ks box
Extremely unflattering pix

westman
07-04-11, 01:14
we r multi racial society mah....even we see indians....aso duno they r singka or foreigner

Some time can tell ah-neh from where by judging their clothing.
India Ah-neh often wears long sleeves (be it drivers/construction workers etc) with slippers while local tends to be more casual...

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:14
Minister and prata man's pay hike definitely on the agenda. High medical cost and the useless medisave schemes are issues I have against the current government.

I think you should watch Tin Pei Ling's speech at 2007 PAP Convention and her answers on RazorTV after introduction as PAP candidate.

When quizzed by journalists about her opinions on Healthcare and Education policies in Singapore, Tin Pei Ling give general answers like Healthcare and Education are already cheap in Singapore.

At 2007 speech, she said widening income gap is not government's reponsibility and Singaporeans should learn from older generation to bite bullets.

What are government's responsibilities then ? If now I still continue to bite bullets, where is the quality of living and what for I vote PAP for what ?

With such answers and solutions, I think those who see her at Meet-People-Sessions will receive little hope.

westman
07-04-11, 01:15
Haha but if u look at e pix u will see e green ks box
Extremely unflattering pix

BTW, did you manage to see TPL's half of face painted with gold paints?

devilplate
07-04-11, 01:16
Some time can tell ah-neh from where by judging their clothing.
India Ah-neh often wears long sleeves (be it drivers/construction workers etc) with slippers while local tends to be more casual...

let say u see an indian driving bmw/merc....how to tell?

westman
07-04-11, 01:17
I think you should watch Tin Pei Ling's speech at 2007 PAP Convention and her answers on RazorTV after introduction as PAP candidate.

When quizzed by journalists about her opinions on Healthcare and Education policies in Singapore, Tin Pei Ling give general answers like Healthcare and Education are already cheap in Singapore.

At 2007 speech, she said widening income gap is not government's reponsibility and Singaporeans should learn from older generation to bite bullets.

What are government's responsibilities then ? If now I still continue to bite bullets, where is the quality of living and what for I vote PAP for what ?

With such answers and solutions, I think those who see her at Meet-People-Sessions will receive little hope.

My wife is very much pro PAP. But the moment she read the speech cum watching the Razor interview.. she was pissed and so much so that I've to stay silent for an hour before finding chit chat topics to cool her down...:ashamed1:

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:18
we r multi racial society mah....even we see indians....aso duno they r singka or foreigner

Haha, I know what you mean, but the ones I saw at CBD area are fairer Indians and like to wear formal working clothes like suit and tie.

From my growing up experience with Indians, I doubt they are SEA Indians.

westman
07-04-11, 01:18
let say u see an indian driving bmw/merc....how to tell?

nvr see that before so unable to comment...:beats-me-man:

extremme
07-04-11, 01:20
According to some market kopi talk, those speech, video and photo web linkages were leaked from the internal to outside. Not sure who wor.

Interestingly, all these happened within hours and I doubt general public can fish out info that fast wor.:confused:

On the other hand, that show how shallow TPL is. Don't she knows most of us are relatively pissed with high costs in Healthcare and Education meh?

On second tot, can;t blamed her much also as she has yet to be a parent nor old enought o face those huge medical bills.....:doh:
I have not seen e article but it's extremely shallow of her to say education n healthcare r low if dat is e case y dun she donate half her salary to poor folks since cost of living here is low n she dun need 15k a mtg?

I was questioned by my Frds y r u so bothered abt y ministers earn so much? If my co dun pay me so well will I still be wkg here? My answer was a empathic no n I'm frank enough to admit I work for money. Not like the ministers who keep saying they work with a passion to serve but yet get sky high salaries. That seems extremely hypocritical to me

devilplate
07-04-11, 01:21
nvr see that before so unable to comment...:beats-me-man:

there r many lor....often seen driving high end bmw/merc.....not 5 series or e class hor....its usually 7series or s class.....oh ya...u stay in the west...tats y....rich indians r mostly found in the east....hehe

devilplate
07-04-11, 01:25
I have not seen e article but it's extremely shallow of her to say education n healthcare r low if dat is e case y dun she donate half her salary to poor folks since cost of living here is low n she dun need 15k a mtg?

I was questioned by my Frds y r u so bothered abt y ministers earn so much? If my co dun pay me so well will I still be wkg here? My answer was a empathic no n I'm frank enough to admit I work for money. Not like the ministers who keep saying they work with a passion to serve but yet get sky high salaries. That seems extremely hypocritical to me

no choice one la...

we r all hypocrites wat.....in front of ur boss....in front of ur parents....in front of ur partner....in front of ur kids.....we all wear mask....all different kind of mask during diff occasions....how often can we be totally truthful about ourselves?

and u noe wat trained me to wear my mask nicely? ITS ARMY! if dun wear mask....sure kena tekken till jialat jialat

extremme
07-04-11, 01:27
BTW, did you manage to see TPL's half of face painted with gold paints?
Got mah? Only heard abt her leaving her fat bf for a man 14yrs her senior who is lky secretary.. N got circulate a pix of her wif fat man but I nvr see

Anyway wat baptism of fire is dis?if she cannot even stand up to this how can she qualify to lead us? But irritating thing to note is dat as much as people make disparaging comments abt her or dun Like her she will still be voted in because of piggybacking n good candidates Luke sylvia lim n cst will not be in...

Pap shld only allow new candidates to contest in single wards n not hide behind old guards in grc if she can win in dis case then I take bk my words n say she go through baptism of fire

westman
07-04-11, 01:27
I have not seen e article but it's extremely shallow of her to say education n healthcare r low if dat is e case y dun she donate half her salary to poor folks since cost of living here is low n she dun need 15k a mtg?

I was questioned by my Frds y r u so bothered abt y ministers earn so much? If my co dun pay me so well will I still be wkg here? My answer was a empathic no n I'm frank enough to admit I work for money. Not like the ministers who keep saying they work with a passion to serve but yet get sky high salaries. That seems extremely hypocritical to me

孔子 said this before...

仁者不富,富者不仁。

If our era, it's like 要讲感情就不要将钱,要讲钱感情就不要讲感情。。。。

westman
07-04-11, 01:29
no choice one la...

we r all hypocrites wat.....in front of ur boss....in front of ur parents....in front of ur partner....in front of ur kids.....we all wear mask....all different kind of mask during diff occasions....how often can we be totally truthful about ourselves?

and u noe wat trained me to wear my mask nicely? ITS ARMY! if dun wear mask....sure kena tekken till jialat jialat

humour with truth within... hahahaha

extremme
07-04-11, 01:31
no choice one la...

we r all hypocrites wat.....in front of ur boss....in front of ur parents....in front of ur partner....in front of ur kids.....we all wear mask....all different kind of mask during diff occasions....how often can we be totally truthful about ourselves?

and u noe wat trained me to wear my mask nicely? ITS ARMY! if dun wear mask....sure kena tekken till jialat jialat
Haha Like e maid carrying backpack issue ...u can do wat u want just dun be caught!

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:32
BTW, did you manage to see TPL's half of face painted with gold paints?


Haha

Like me you must be getting much more news from popular forums plus theonlinecitizen and Temasek Review.

Plus the act cute photo of her with motorbike helmet in a bank.

As you see, all these are real and true pictures of her but portray her negatively as a politician.

ST and CNA refuse to show these pictures, her past speeches etc which make me mad because we are not getting an accurate picture of this candidate.

The picture ST and CNA give Singaporeans about her is as that of a victim of nonsense internet flaming with no value which is not true.

ST and CNA are main culprits of distorting facts from fiction.

About Foo Mee Har and she sleeping her way up in StanChart, I believe 50/50 especially when her boss initials is revealed.

But it seems her husband bankruptcy is true but ST say StanChart withdraw the bankruptcy order without saying why. All along, her husband's name was never revealed.

Internet is really a wonder and fast source of information.

PAP had not adjusted to the new level of elections with internet yet.

For Tin Pei Ling, PAP gave tea party to 200 odd people but selected her instead.

Why her stories, past speeches and photos got leaked all over so fast could be insider job from PAP from those who did not get the job as candidate and thus become jealous.

The weight of being PM Lee's secretary wife could have triggered the 'poison letters'.

Singapore politics becoming like Malaysian politics.

:doh: :doh: :doh:

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:35
no choice one la...

we r all hypocrites wat.....in front of ur boss....in front of ur parents....in front of ur partner....in front of ur kids.....we all wear mask....all different kind of mask during diff occasions....how often can we be totally truthful about ourselves?

and u noe wat trained me to wear my mask nicely? ITS ARMY! if dun wear mask....sure kena tekken till jialat jialat


We can be hypocrites but not our leaders simply because they are in public positions and are our leaders.

devilplate
07-04-11, 01:38
We can be hypocrites but not our leaders simply because they are in public positions and are our leaders.

there r simply no saints in this world la...cmon:p

and if there r real saints....usually they r uncovered and stay low profile and contribute to the society in a different way

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:40
there r simply no saints in this world la...cmon:p

and if there r real saints....usually they r uncovered and stay low profile and contribute to the society in a different way

Yep, like Chen Show Mao.

But leaders are after all leaders, do but do not let us find out their hypocrisy, double talk and double statements.

westman
07-04-11, 01:40
Haha

Like me you must be getting much more news from popular forums plus theonlinecitizen and Temasek Review.

Plus the act cute photo of her with motorbike helmet in a bank.

As you see, all these are real and true pictures of her but portray her negatively as a politician.

ST and CNA refuse to show these pictures, her past speeches etc which make me mad because we are not getting an accurate picture of this candidate.

The picture ST and CNA give Singaporeans about her is as that of a victim of nonsense internet flaming with no value which is not true.

ST and CNA are main culprits of distorting facts from fiction.

About Foo Mee Har and she sleeping her way up in StanChart, I believe 50/50 especially when her boss initials is revealed.

But it seems her husband bankruptcy is true but ST say StanChart withdraw the bankruptcy order without saying why. All along, her husband's name was never revealed.

Internet is really a wonder and fast source of information.

PAP had not adjusted to the new level of elections with internet yet.

For Tin Pei Ling, PAP gave tea party to 200 odd people but selected her instead.

Why her stories, past speeches and photos got leaked all over so fast could be insider job from PAP from those who did not get the job as candidate and thus become jealous.

The weight of being PM Lee's secretary wife could have triggered the 'poison letters'.

Singapore politics becoming like Malaysian politics.

:doh: :doh: :doh:

very juicy so far where PAP has to endure what OPP has been going thru... serve them right.

Joke aside, I'm kinda of worry why PAP standard drop so much and it does not appear stgeady as before....Cannot imagine this bunch of A team candiates going to be future 4G leaders.. OMG...

OPP such as WP is getting more like the early stage PAP.. working steadily and passively with low interest of getting involve with scandals... Healthy sign.

westman
07-04-11, 01:43
Haha

Like me you must be getting much more news from popular forums plus theonlinecitizen and Temasek Review.

Plus the act cute photo of her with motorbike helmet in a bank.

As you see, all these are real and true pictures of her but portray her negatively as a politician.

ST and CNA refuse to show these pictures, her past speeches etc which make me mad because we are not getting an accurate picture of this candidate.

The picture ST and CNA give Singaporeans about her is as that of a victim of nonsense internet flaming with no value which is not true.

ST and CNA are main culprits of distorting facts from fiction.

About Foo Mee Har and she sleeping her way up in StanChart, I believe 50/50 especially when her boss initials is revealed.

But it seems her husband bankruptcy is true but ST say StanChart withdraw the bankruptcy order without saying why. All along, her husband's name was never revealed.

Internet is really a wonder and fast source of information.

PAP had not adjusted to the new level of elections with internet yet.

For Tin Pei Ling, PAP gave tea party to 200 odd people but selected her instead.

Why her stories, past speeches and photos got leaked all over so fast could be insider job from PAP from those who did not get the job as candidate and thus become jealous.

The weight of being PM Lee's secretary wife could have triggered the 'poison letters'.

Singapore politics becoming like Malaysian politics.

:doh: :doh: :doh:

BTW, not forgetting the Vikram blog opera... with his own home address exposed... HAhahahahahaha

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:48
I have not seen e article but it's extremely shallow of her to say education n healthcare r low if dat is e case y dun she donate half her salary to poor folks since cost of living here is low n she dun need 15k a mtg?

I was questioned by my Frds y r u so bothered abt y ministers earn so much? If my co dun pay me so well will I still be wkg here? My answer was a empathic no n I'm frank enough to admit I work for money. Not like the ministers who keep saying they work with a passion to serve but yet get sky high salaries. That seems extremely hypocritical to me


She was just parroting and repeating with no substance what PAP keep telling Singaporeans.

Vote her at your own risk or maybe she does not need a vote like Koo Tsai Kee.


http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3170264


Tin Pei Ling : Healthcare costs in Singapore is quite low and affordable

Tin Pei Ling Speaks on Healthcare costs in Singapore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw8AUD3Mxpc&feature=related


Tin Pei Ling Speaks on Education Costs = "very low" she says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzXYqaL41iI&feature=related

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:50
BTW, not forgetting the Vikram blog opera... with his own home address exposed... HAhahahahahaha


Can you share this news ?

I did not hear about this.

Internet is the best invention, not aircon.

westman
07-04-11, 01:50
She was just parroting and repeating with no substance what PAP keep telling Singaporeans.

Vote her at your own risk or maybe she does not need a vote like Koo Tsai Kee.


http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3170264


Tin Pei Ling : Healthcare costs in Singapore is quite low and affordable

Tin Pei Ling Speaks on Healthcare costs in Singapore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw8AUD3Mxpc&feature=related


Tin Pei Ling Speaks on Education Costs = "very low" she says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzXYqaL41iI&feature=related

You can also go CNA discussion too...

westman
07-04-11, 01:55
Can you share this news ?

I did not hear about this.

Internet is the best invention, not aircon.

Cannot find the link in CNA as topics move too fast to follow.
However, found this on TR.

Draw your own conclusion after reading...
http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/12/10/revamped-p65-blog-turning-out-to-be-a-ypap-blog/

Issue: Do you want someone who has history of doing thing secretly (be it for what ever motive) to be your MP?

wenqing
07-04-11, 01:56
very juicy so far where PAP has to endure what OPP has been going thru... serve them right.

Joke aside, I'm kinda of worry why PAP standard drop so much and it does not appear stgeady as before....Cannot imagine this bunch of A team candiates going to be future 4G leaders.. OMG...

OPP such as WP is getting more like the early stage PAP.. working steadily and passively with low interest of getting involve with scandals... Healthy sign.

Foo Mee Har stories in Internet.


http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47040.1


http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47042.1

http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/04/03/damning-accusations-hurled-at-paps-foo-mee-har/

westman
07-04-11, 01:59
Foo Mee Har stories in Internet.


http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47040.1


http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47042.1

http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/04/03/damning-accusations-hurled-at-paps-foo-mee-har/

am awared and was pretty shock. I think if those information is true (and I think it's not difficult for LHL to find out).....FMH jialat....

wenqing
07-04-11, 02:00
Cannot find the link in CNA as topics move too fast to follow.
However, found this on TR.

Draw your own conclusion after reading...
http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/12/10/revamped-p65-blog-turning-out-to-be-a-ypap-blog/

Issue: Do you want someone who has history of doing thing secretly (be it for what ever motive) to be your MP?

So Vikram Nair pretend to be a public Singaporean with no affiliations who supports PAP but is actually a PAP member.

Internet call such people Ghost Writers and they appear often at ST Forums.

During NKF trial, it was exposed TT Durai got NKF staff to pose as public Singaporeans and write ghost letters to ST Forum to defend NKF when people started questioning NKF's extravagance.

:doh: :doh:

westman
07-04-11, 02:02
So Vikram Nair pretend to be a Singaporean who supports PAP but is actually a PAP member.

:doh: :doh:

yalor, damn low to do that.... Worse of all, he is ID and selected to be the so call A team leader... OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

westman
07-04-11, 02:04
prior to recently, I kinda of 50/50, today I'm 60/40 clinching toward opp.
I hope PAP do something about it before it's too late to salvage.:o

westman
07-04-11, 02:05
OC KPKB liao... go zzzz:sleep:

wenqing
07-04-11, 02:10
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/pm-lee-don-t-upgrading-pay-less-tax-20110405-231901-526.html


http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=47252.1


http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3177199


Huge uproar over PM Lee's comments


UPDATE

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=lee+hsien+loong&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc)'s open admission that PAP wards are favoured for HDB upgrading exercises has touched a raw nerve among netizens.

His admission came as a reply to a university student living in the Hougang Single-Member Constituency (SMC) (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Single-member+constituency&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35) ward who asked if he could pay less tax since the opposition-held ward does not enjoy upgrading programmes.


Since this story was first posted, reaction has been swift with over 1,500 Facebook shares and 150 comments. The majority were highly critical of PM Lee's stand.

The highest-rated comment came from Yahoo! user Chia, who posted, "Upgrading is not delivered solely based on policies. It is driven by money from the reserves. The money comes from the people and not from PAP."

He added that, "It (upgrading) is a national building programme. A nation does not belong to any party but the people."

Another Yahoo! user, Davido, said, "I can't believe the PM said that, my only respect left for him is that he is candid enough to admit not all wards are treated equally."

User VKH was also appalled at the PM's comments.

He wrote, "I thought that as PM, he was there to represent ALL the people, without favour or preference. He is not the PM of just those he voted for, but for each and every Singapore citizen, including those who did not vote for him or his party...

How can the PM say that if you vote for PAP, you get nice chocolate cake and coffee, but if you vote for other party you only get water and biscuit?"


The furious reaction comes a day after fourth-year engineering student Seah Yin Hwa asked PM Lee why residents living in Hougang SMC are penalised for picking "a 'Teochew nang' (dialect for Teochew person) who doesn't wear a white uniform"


When asked by PM Lee on how he was penalised, the 25-year-old Seah said, "When it comes to upgrading, what is being told to us is that we don't have the funds to actually go ahead with lift upgrading, as well as shelters to the bus stops.

When I look across the road to Aljunied GRC, they have everything, " reported The Straits Times.

Paraphrasing the question posed, PM Lee said that what Mr Seah meant is why opposition wards are not treated at least as good, or maybe even better than the PAP wards.


PM Lee's reply was, "The answer is that there has to be a distinction. Because the PAP wards supported the Government and the policies which delivered these good things."


He said that while basic goods such roads, transportation, housing, healthcare and defence apply to Singaporeans, the extras — which come down to the upgrading programmes — is a national programme.

"Between the people who voted and supported the programme and the government, and the people who didn't, I think if we went and put yours before the PAP constituencies, it would be an injustice,"

PM Lee told the 1,200 students who were attending a Ministerial Forum (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=kent+ridge+ministerial+forum&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) organised by the National University of Singapore (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=national+university+of+singapore&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) (NUS) Students' Political Association. .


In response to PM Lee, Seah cheekily asked if he could pay less tax and maybe "take one or two years off my NS?", which drew laughter and applause from the audience.

But PM Lee said that this is not possible because the SAF, defence, taxes and all the facilities which have been provided, are enjoyed by every Singaporean.

Rounding off his reply, PM Lee said, "But you can do something about it, you know. You don't have to keep voting for people not in white-on-white."

PM Lee explains ministerial salaries


The contentious issue of ministerial salaries (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=singapore+ministerial+salaries&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) was also discussed at the forum after a Nanyang Technological University (NTU) (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=nanyang+technology+university&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) accountancy student brought it up, comparing the salaries of leaders from Singapore and the United States.

"The US president is actually paid less than a Cabinet minister in Singapore. I'm sure we agree his job is a lot tougher than our Cabinet ministers," said the student.

In his response, PM Lee said that US President Barack Obama (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=barack+obama&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) may be earning less than a Singaporean minister, but the American system is not without its flaws.

For example, he highlighted that the US had different ways of rewarding its presidents and that the low salary of the president had suppressed salaries down the line.

Explaining his first point, PM Lee said that former US presidents are involved in money-spinning book and lecture tours after they step down.

"Retired US presidents go on book tours, they write books, they are paid US$10 million (S$13 million) advance, they get somebody to help them write a tome and they make a lecture tour…Every lecture (by former president) Bill Clinton: US$100,000 to US$200,000 for half an hour.

"That's the system. I think that's not a good system for us. We don't want ministers to retire and go on lecture tours."

Touching on his second point, PM Lee said the low salary of US presidents adversely impacted the rest of the civil service down the line.

"Because the president's pay being set at a level which is not quite right, all the rest of the civil service and government pay in the US system has to take dressing from there and come down…and come down," he said.
PM Lee stressed that Singapore's ministerial pay structure was one that works.


But when asked if salaries should still be pegged to the private sector given the many candidates taken from the civil service and unions, he replied, "The reason I can get good people from the Government and the unions is that I have a pay system which is working properly.

"People do not enter politics to get rich but neither will they enter politics and as a result, they and their family will become poor."

He added, "It is something which is not easy to accept emotionally but is the right thing for Singapore.

If you want the system to work for the long term, you must be honest about it. What do I pay for? I pay for the importance of the job and how difficult it is to do."

eng81157
07-04-11, 03:26
my president just attends charity functions and cut ribbons but still paid over $4mil a year, plus he authors books before he's retired!!!

easily pocketing more than whatever tours and books that a retired US president can get. let's see this with simple maths


assuming a retired US president is in the run for 2 consecutive terms,

8 years
Annual pay package USD$550k
Total = 8 X 550 = USD$4.4mil
Typical Job scope = wars, natural disasters, steering a megamoth
sized economy, etc etc

in the same period, our president earns

8 x 3.35 = $26.8mil
Typical Job scope = showing up at charities (and what else??)

assuming our president's book suck and nobody engages him for engagement talks, the latter needs to author at least 2 books and go on lots of speech engagement tours to make up the difference.

by the way, isn't MM paid when he gets invited to talk or for the 3 or 4 books he authored?? what is this crap reasoning his son came up with? Singapore's ministerial pay system works cos the rest of the world failed at it??

i know i'm a mere mortal and my worth pales in comparison with gods in the government but please, don't insult my intellect to such an extent

extremme
07-04-11, 08:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_6x_5J78Rs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Omg how smart can dis candidate be when she stomps her feet n say she Duno wat to say.. For 15k a mth she better know wat to say!!

land118
07-04-11, 10:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_6x_5J78Rs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Omg how smart can dis candidate be when she stomps her feet n say she Duno wat to say.. For 15k a mth she better know wat to say!!Jialat, worry for her when she get to Parliament, maybe the weakest link...sure kena grill left, right, centre by opposition....Her seniors in the same GRC probably now worry about their chances and performance in coming GE....:scared-3:

ysyap
07-04-11, 10:17
Jialat, worry for her when she get to Parliament, maybe the weakest link...sure kena grill left, right, centre by opposition....Her seniors in the same GRC probably now worry about their chances and performance in coming GE....:scared-3:

We may witness history in the making... First GRC by non PAP? When our PM said 66.6% was a good result during last election, will he still say good result if it dips below 50%? Hmmm....:eek:

land118
07-04-11, 11:08
we r multi racial society mah....even we see indians....aso duno they r singka or foreigner if see them in pickup or truck/lorry, for sure foreigner, they are one of the most dangerous drivers...., the way they drive, no sense for road safety...:doh:

ysyap
07-04-11, 11:16
They are also super dangerous padestrians. They cross road is car watching out for them and not they watching out for cars... this is Singapore road, not their hometown road... sigh! Nearly knock one down some time back... :scared-1:

land118
07-04-11, 11:19
We may witness history in the making... First GRC by non PAP? When our PM said 66.6% was a good result during last election, will he still say good result if it dips below 50%? Hmmm....:eek: below 50%, immediate notice to pack up and leave....., but say 49%, probably would become NMP since TOP loser..., then maybe we will see real competition...

Just saw the CNA clip, missed this news as I was overseas...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIm7gNb454&feature=related

Jialat, she was treated for trauma by specialist, and SM say the "in the process discovered steel in her".

I wonder if she was push into the limelight, maybe she didn't think it will be so traumatic..., can't blamed her, only blame those who scouted and selected her..., why didn't they pick up the fact that she doesn't have "steel" yet, only after the limelight and therapy then they saw the "steel" in her?

don't think PAP is so desperate to get such a young candidate..., am sure there must be others who are better and more steady....

In the days of Old man Lee, this would not have happen, where got so cock up the selection process...

land118
07-04-11, 11:44
Nothing last forever.

You notice the rivalries between SM Goh , PM Lee and DPM Wong in regards to Ministers should not serve more than 2 terms ?

He is hinting PM Lee should step down by GE 2016 and DPM Wong step down now.

:) :) :) If PM Lee step down, i can't see clear frontrunner stepping up - tough call..if DPM Wong is the one, foreigner leaders will be laughing at us - let terriorist get away and George Yeo also can't get Romanian embassador to return to stand trial here..., would think that DPM Teo maybe the likely candidate..since he is holding defence post.., similar to SM Goh last time..

ysyap
07-04-11, 12:12
below 50%, immediate notice to pack up and leave....., but say 49%, probably would become NMP since TOP loser..., then maybe we will see real competition...

Just saw the CNA clip, missed this news as I was overseas...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIm7gNb454&feature=related

Jialat, she was treated for trauma by specialist, and SM say the "in the process discovered steel in her".

I wonder if she was push into the limelight, maybe she didn't think it will be so traumatic..., can't blamed her, only blame those who scouted and selected her..., why didn't they pick up the fact that she doesn't have "steel" yet, only after the limelight and therapy then they saw the "steel" in her?

don't think PAP is so desperate to get such a young candidate..., am sure there must be others who are better and more steady....

In the days of Old man Lee, this would not have happen, where got so cock up the selection process...
PM say to have A team must have both young and old. Then what is young? 27 years old? Sorry but I think there must be a cut off for young... at 27, some poor guys are still in the university studying medicine and architecture. What is gonna stop the govt from recruiting 17 years old during next election. They may have talents at young age but surely lack many other important things like experience and maturity to handle the country. Its not handle a SME or MNC but a country of up to 5 million. I can go on but I guess you got the point...

For a teenager, young is 13 years old. For a parent, young is 21 years old. For a school principal, young is 35 years old. For a company CEO, young is 40 years old. For a politician, young is 27 years old? :doh:

proud owner
07-04-11, 13:03
http://www.smh.com.au/business/avoiding-the-grip-of-singapore-inc-20110406-1d4i8.html

Regulators
07-04-11, 13:12
I don't consider tin pei ling a talent just bcoz she has lauded by LHL for her work in the grassroots. There are hundreds of grassroots people who have served for donkey years, many of whom are pbm and bbm, does it mean these people can become mps as well? Tin peiling should be aware that she is not ready to take on parliamentary role with her shallowness in life experience so she should have backed out of it herself without even people telling her to do so. For her to say that medical fees are low is really off key to what many people in singapore are feeling. I does not have any social responsibility from the things she says and 4g pap will go down the dumps with people like her
PM say to have A team must have both young and old. Then what is young? 27 years old? Sorry but I think there must be a cut off for young... at 27, some poor guys are still in the university studying medicine and architecture. What is gonna stop the govt from recruiting 17 years old during next election. They may have talents at young age but surely lack many other important things like experience and maturity to handle the country. Its not handle a SME or MNC but a country of up to 5 million. I can go on but I guess you got the point...

For a teenager, young is 13 years old. For a parent, young is 21 years old. For a school principal, young is 35 years old. For a company CEO, young is 40 years old. For a politician, young is 27 years old? :doh:

land118
07-04-11, 14:34
PM say to have A team must have both young and old. Then what is young? 27 years old? Sorry but I think there must be a cut off for young... at 27, some poor guys are still in the university studying medicine and architecture. What is gonna stop the govt from recruiting 17 years old during next election. They may have talents at young age but surely lack many other important things like experience and maturity to handle the country. Its not handle a SME or MNC but a country of up to 5 million. I can go on but I guess you got the point...

For a teenager, young is 13 years old. For a parent, young is 21 years old. For a school principal, young is 35 years old. For a company CEO, young is 40 years old. For a politician, young is 27 years old? :doh:
Ya, although we shouldn't judge by age, but if someone is 27 years old and maybe founder of google or Singapore equivalent, surely respect. Even Ex national swimmer Mark Chay now CEO of Singapore Hockey team is 29 years old still older...if today Joselin Yeo become candidate..., am sure many people may support as she has done her part for the nation and seem more mature..., at 27 years old, even she has years of community service, think even if PAP wants to groom her, should at least put her through progressive grooming, maybe head a RC or some office bearer in union or PAP youth wing. Suddenly put her into forefront of GE..., it's like asking a 12 year old to compete in the adult marathon division...:doh:

ysyap
07-04-11, 14:34
Not just TPL but there is this other candidate who's only just become a Singapore citizen 2 years ago. My kids has been Singaporeans for more than 2 years so can they represent PAP also??? :doh:

extremme
07-04-11, 18:39
Not just TPL but there is this other candidate who's only just become a Singapore citizen 2 years ago. My kids has been Singaporeans for more than 2 years so can they represent PAP also??? :doh:

the worst is, these pple have not even been serving in grassroots for long time! The latest woman candidate, though with more seemingly credible credentials only started volunteering at meet the people session 2 mths ago and now she is running as an MP? What and where is the passion to serve?

land118
07-04-11, 20:31
the worst is, these pple have not even been serving in grassroots for long time! The latest woman candidate, though with more seemingly credible credentials only started volunteering at meet the people session 2 mths ago and now she is running as an MP? What and where is the passion to serve?
Meet people session is not just go condo, landed, but go to hot and stuffy kopi tiam, void deck, wet market to shake hands with Ah Peks, Butcher with soil hands, fish monger with fishy hands, etc. More often than not, when become MP, these are the layman who may need MP help as they are not educated or have little education, don't have any professional friends to turn to when in need....

Regulators
07-04-11, 20:35
There is something wrong with pap's selection process. I think their time has almost expired. No question about the need to form an alternative government
the worst is, these pple have not even been serving in grassroots for long time! The latest woman candidate, though with more seemingly credible credentials only started volunteering at meet the people session 2 mths ago and now she is running as an MP? What and where is the passion to serve?

ysyap
07-04-11, 21:33
the worst is, these pple have not even been serving in grassroots for long time! The latest woman candidate, though with more seemingly credible credentials only started volunteering at meet the people session 2 mths ago and now she is running as an MP? What and where is the passion to serve?

Time will eliminate them from politics if they don't have passion to serve... No need to worry about that... :D

ysyap
07-04-11, 21:43
Meet people session is not just go condo, landed, but go to hot and stuffy kopi tiam, void deck, wet market to shake hands with Ah Peks, Butcher with soil hands, fish monger with fishy hands, etc. More often than not, when become MP, these are the layman who may need MP help as they are not educated or have little education, don't have any professional friends to turn to when in need....

What's the point of having meet the people sessions only once every election year? For the first time, my MP is inviting residents from my area for a breakfast session. Never happen in last 5 years I was staying here... I've seen some other constituency with their MPs meeting the people regularly like twice a year. Sigh!!! :tsk-tsk: Going to hot and stuffy kopi tiam and wet market must also be done often and not once in 5 years.:scared-4:

land118
07-04-11, 21:51
What's the point of having meet the people sessions only once every election year? For the first time, my MP is inviting residents from my area for a breakfast session. Never happen in last 5 years I was staying here... I've seen some other constituency with their MPs meeting the people regularly like twice a year. Sigh!!! :tsk-tsk: Going to hot and stuffy kopi tiam and wet market must also be done often and not once in 5 years.:scared-4: Bro, then u must go and walup the breakfast, hope it is buffet spread...and good stuff...and not just bread & jam or kaya loti, if not complaint...:D

I heard from my auntie staying in Hougang opposition ward, either MP himself attend wake or his party member attend. Every single wake also attend.., few years ago, i went to my friend's father wake at Potong Pasir, my friend said Chaim party send some1 as he couldn't make it that night..., opposition really make effort and work hard for their votes..Like people also say, most people will remember what you did for them in good times, but you will never 4get those who came to your need when you are rock bottom...

eng81157
08-04-11, 08:34
What's the point of having meet the people sessions only once every election year? For the first time, my MP is inviting residents from my area for a breakfast session. Never happen in last 5 years I was staying here... I've seen some other constituency with their MPs meeting the people regularly like twice a year. Sigh!!! :tsk-tsk: Going to hot and stuffy kopi tiam and wet market must also be done often and not once in 5 years.:scared-4:

heh, i haven't seen my MP before though i've been living in the same area for the last 17 years

devilplate
08-04-11, 08:47
heh, i haven't seen my MP before though i've been living in the same area for the last 17 years

i haven seen face 2 face wif our PM since i m born

land118
08-04-11, 09:15
i haven seen face 2 face wif our PM since i m born Now can only see PM from far..., he has got his bodyguards, maybe 1-2 MPs following, grassroots gang around him....if you get to shake his hand, better don't wash your hands, go buy 4D, maybe can "tio" :D

ysyap
08-04-11, 09:21
Now can only see PM from far..., he has got his bodyguards, maybe 1-2 MPs following, grassroots gang around him....if you get to shake his hand, better don't wash your hands, go buy 4D, maybe can "tio" :D

My MPs is everywhere in my neighborhood. He's out on the streets everyday... Oh I meant his banner...

RE_Owner
08-04-11, 09:30
wow took some time to read thru the heated discussion. interesting.

heard from reliable source voting date confirm 7th May as some have predicted.

also want to share some point from own observation.
1) pap made a big mistake for pulling in the bitchy TNL and also tat indian dr who never serve NS
2) digusted over minister high pay but this is beyond our control becos they call the shot. remember when they propose high adjustment, Opp debate/fight/argue but to no avail. :simmering: WTF!!
3) quite like Opp dr vincent and gerald (from the TV debate) but that lina and the malay guy cannt make it
4) Opp so far have been debating only on internal issue like high living cost, inflation, high property price, foreign talent. but never touch issue on how to bring growth to spore, how to attract investment. i think this is very important becos spore is facing more n more competition from many countries like china, india....even m'sia if they go all out to compete with us.

:2cents:

RE_Owner
08-04-11, 09:31
My MPs is everywhere in my neighborhood. He's out on the streets everyday... Oh I meant his banner...

good one :D rain or shine somemore!!!!

proud owner
08-04-11, 09:35
4) Opp so far have been debating only on internal issue like high living cost, inflation, high property price, foreign talent. but never touch issue on how to bring growth to spore, how to attract investment. i think this is very important becos spore is facing more n more competition from many countries like china, india....even m'sia if they go all out to compete with us.

:2cents:[/quote]

they have ideas lah ...but cannot tell us now

if not elected ..their ideas will be used by PAP ..right ?
then how ? OPP's brilliant ideas but PAP gets the credit

they cannot patent their ideas also right ?

so dont tell until they win

devilplate
08-04-11, 09:37
wow....secret weapon?

eng81157
08-04-11, 09:45
wow took some time to read thru the heated discussion. interesting.

heard from reliable source voting date confirm 7th May as some have predicted.

also want to share some point from own observation.
1) pap made a big mistake for pulling in the bitchy TNL and also tat indian dr who never serve NS
2) digusted over minister high pay but this is beyond our control becos they call the shot. remember when they propose high adjustment, Opp debate/fight/argue but to no avail. :simmering: WTF!!
3) quite like Opp dr vincent and gerald (from the TV debate) but that lina and the malay guy cannt make it
4) Opp so far have been debating only on internal issue like high living cost, inflation, high property price, foreign talent. but never touch issue on how to bring growth to spore, how to attract investment. i think this is very important becos spore is facing more n more competition from many countries like china, india....even m'sia if they go all out to compete with us.

:2cents:


i doubt there would be any ground-breaking, fundamental shift in policies concerning economic growth, even if the opposition does win a GRC or gain more seats. no need to fix something that ain't broken, so perhaps that's why they aren't debating about it during this GE.

another point of contention, our DPM says that don't vote for opposition cos' they aren't ready to form a government. this only goes to show a tunnel-vision mentality.

do we need the opposition to form a shadow government? perhaps, but no necessary. do we need voices from the ground to be heard, more checks and counter-balances in the government? a definite yes. a DPM barking up on the wrong tree - amazing.......

land118
08-04-11, 09:46
Now total new faces = 18, so 2 more to go...; These 3 new faces...think quite ok..., wonder if they are considered heavyweights by PAP, so would presume last 2 should be even bigger?

http://www.straitstimes.com/GeneralElection/News/Story/STIStory_654089.html

PAP
Apr 8, 2011

PAP provides steady hand, says DPM Teo

THE People's Action Party is the real insurance policy that Singaporeans should get to ensure their continued prosperity, said Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean on Thursday.
He was rebutting the Workers' Party's argument that Singaporeans should vote for the opposition in case the PAP fails.
The upcoming general election is ultimately one about who citizens can put their trust in to ensure 'a good strong government' and 'long term good' for the country, he added.
His remarks came at the end of the introduction of the People's Action Party's sixth batch of new candidates for the general election. He is also the party's 2nd assistant secretary-general.
The three latest candidates are: Dr Intan Azura Mokhtar, 35, an educator; Mr David Ong Kim Huat, 50, a businessman; and Mr Lawrence Wong, 39, a former civil servant.
In his concluding remarks, DPM Teo said that Singapore had made 'vast improvements' in terms of healthcare, education, public transportation and home ownership.
He said that compared to the United States and Britain, Singapore used to lag in these areas but now had surpassed them, 'in spite of not having any natural resources'.
'The PAP offers a steady hand, and a proven and trusted leadership to guide us through the challenges of the years ahead,' he said.

Three more new candidates


(From left) Dr Intan Azura Mokhtar, Mr David Ong Kim Huat and Mr Lawrence Wong. -- PHOTOS: PAP

http://forums.condosingapore.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20110407/stpapcandidate-07.jpg



The three candidates are newcomers to the world of politics, but each have spent long years in their respective careers.
Dr Intan, an assistant professor in policy and leadership studies in the Nanyang Technological University, has five academic degrees, including a PhD in information studies. She is married with three children.
Mr Ong, a father of three, founded a marketing consultancy and is managing director of RedDot Publishing, a media solutions firm.
Mr Wong spent the last 14 years in civil service. His most recent position was chief executive of the Energy Market Authority, a statutory board under the Ministry of Trade and Industry. He left his post late last month.
The latest round of introductions on Thursday brings the total of new faces unveiled so far to 18.

ay123
08-04-11, 09:55
4) Opp so far have been debating only on internal issue like high living cost, inflation, high property price, foreign talent. but never touch issue on how to bring growth to spore, how to attract investment. i think this is very important becos spore is facing more n more competition from many countries like china, india....even m'sia if they go all out to compete with us.

:2cents:

they have ideas lah ...but cannot tell us now

if not elected ..their ideas will be used by PAP ..right ?
then how ? OPP's brilliant ideas but PAP gets the credit

they cannot patent their ideas also right ?

so dont tell until they win[/quote]

but don tell difficult to convince ppl leh.....how to convince ppl by telling voters "if u vote me i will show u my secret weapon"

proud owner
08-04-11, 09:57
they have ideas lah ...but cannot tell us now

if not elected ..their ideas will be used by PAP ..right ?
then how ? OPP's brilliant ideas but PAP gets the credit

they cannot patent their ideas also right ?

so dont tell until they win

but don tell difficult to convince ppl leh.....how to convince ppl by telling voters "if u vote me i will show u my secret weapon"[/quote]



dont tell people dont vote for them

tell ..PAP can use their ideas ....

so how ?


people will just have to take a chance...

extremme
08-04-11, 09:58
Bro, then u must go and walup the breakfast, hope it is buffet spread...and good stuff...and not just bread & jam or kaya loti, if not complaint...:D

I heard from my auntie staying in Hougang opposition ward, either MP himself attend wake or his party member attend. Every single wake also attend.., few years ago, i went to my friend's father wake at Potong Pasir, my friend said Chaim party send some1 as he couldn't make it that night..., opposition really make effort and work hard for their votes..Like people also say, most people will remember what you did for them in good times, but you will never 4get those who came to your need when you are rock bottom...

yes dat was what my friend said, every single wake in hougang, mr low or someone will confirm attend the wake...

PAP mp attending? Tan gu gu loh....most of them have outside jobs, director of this co, that co... additional pay on top of their MP pay and allowance, where got time to attend funerals?

extremme
08-04-11, 10:02
I fear for Mr Chiam... being the longest opposition member in parliament which even Mr Goh has praised as a worthy opposition member, has decided to contest in another ward because he wants to let more opposition voices be heard in government.

It's very brave and noteworthy of him to make such a move, especially knowing that he might probably not succeed and his wife doesnt seem to have as much support as him, then not only does he fail to secure a GRC, even potong pasir is gone... that will be a very sad day for singapore politics indeed

ay123
08-04-11, 10:04
but don tell difficult to convince ppl leh.....how to convince ppl by telling voters "if u vote me i will show u my secret weapon"



dont tell people dont vote for them

tell ..PAP can use their ideas ....

so how ?


people will just have to take a chance...[/quote]

tats the problem.....

if u put a prada bag and a wrap up bag side by side. tell the voter "choose the wrap up bag, u will get LV bag". if i am voter, i go for prada becos i confirm can get a prada bag...:D
so tats the risk for Opp if they keep secret weapon....

ay123
08-04-11, 10:06
yes dat was what my friend said, every single wake in hougang, mr low or someone will confirm attend the wake...

PAP mp attending? Tan gu gu loh....most of them have outside jobs, director of this co, that co... additional pay on top of their MP pay and allowance, where got time to attend funerals?

wat has attending the wake got to do with governing a country?

extremme
08-04-11, 10:13
wat has attending the wake got to do with governing a country?

It's true there is no correlation, but it just shows how does the candidate carry out their job? Do they just do the superficial level needed or go beyond eg turning up at funeral wakes, making themselve visible and available for the average person, not just once in every 5 years when its voting time. What is the level of care and empathy for their constituent members.

PAP candidate always tell people they feel empathy for the people, that they share a common goal/vision (though they earn $100k in a month, compared to average singaporean earning $2k a mth, I do not know how to have a common goal in that)

ysyap
08-04-11, 10:15
wat has attending the wake got to do with governing a country?

You are there at their low point. The people are important enough for you to be present... fundamentals in winning the people's heart... a listening ear. :)

extremme
08-04-11, 10:15
wat has attending the wake got to do with governing a country?
Then what has being director of another company got to do with governing a country?

Being director of a company gives you experience in managing a country?

It's another ball game all together. Instead, one can always argue that sitting on all this directorships takes your time away from your main responsibility as governing the country.

ysyap
08-04-11, 10:20
I fear for Mr Chiam... being the longest opposition member in parliament which even Mr Goh has praised as a worthy opposition member, has decided to contest in another ward because he wants to let more opposition voices be heard in government.

It's very brave and noteworthy of him to make such a move, especially knowing that he might probably not succeed and his wife doesnt seem to have as much support as him, then not only does he fail to secure a GRC, even potong pasir is gone... that will be a very sad day for singapore politics indeed
He is a great example not only for Opposition but PAP too. At 76 years old, he's asking for new challenges. His spirit is hardly found in 3rd or even generation PAP members. He is a rare gem of the country. The country need him. He is to the opposition what LKY is to PAP. Never say die attitude. really hope he'll succeed in Bishan...

eng81157
08-04-11, 10:37
yes dat was what my friend said, every single wake in hougang, mr low or someone will confirm attend the wake...

PAP mp attending? Tan gu gu loh....most of them have outside jobs, director of this co, that co... additional pay on top of their MP pay and allowance, where got time to attend funerals?

on the point about pay, i don't get it too. on one hand, pap says that they need the high pay to compensate them for sacrificing personal careers to serve in the government. opposition ups the ante by saying they will do the job full-time. then some candidates say that it's not about working full-time as an mp but being effective, which suggests there's no need to be a full-time mp.

my humble question then, if why is there a need for taxpayers to compensate mps with sky-high salaries? going by the pap candidates' argument, they can hold full-time job while being an mp too. hence, are they sacrificing their careers? probably not to such a great extent.

land118
08-04-11, 11:09
on the point about pay, i don't get it too. on one hand, pap says that they need the high pay to compensate them for sacrificing personal careers to serve in the government. opposition ups the ante by saying they will do the job full-time. then some candidates say that it's not about working full-time as an mp but being effective, which suggests there's no need to be a full-time mp.

my humble question then, if why is there a need for taxpayers to compensate mps with sky-high salaries? going by the pap candidates' argument, they can hold full-time job while being an mp too. hence, are they sacrificing their careers? probably not to such a great extent.When u get part-time MP, u see banners maybe twice in a 5 year term, if lucky....u get invited to meet people session once in 5 years, or even more lucky u get to shake their hand once before GE..., 4get about wakes..., if die no money to buy coffin how? No need to look for them, beg casket company, maybe at least got chance they do charity....

proud owner
08-04-11, 11:17
When u get part-time MP, u see banners maybe twice in a 5 year term, if lucky....u get invited to meet people session once in 5 years, or even more lucky u get to shake their hand once before GE..., 4get about wakes..., if die no money to buy coffin how? No need to look for them, beg casket company, maybe at least got chance they do charity....


hahahaha

thats our leaders ... why waste time on those who can no longer give you that vote, those who are very sick people , dying, or dead ..

no heart one lah

ysyap
08-04-11, 11:58
When u get part-time MP, u see banners maybe twice in a 5 year term, if lucky....u get invited to meet people session once in 5 years, or even more lucky u get to shake their hand once before GE..., 4get about wakes..., if die no money to buy coffin how? No need to look for them, beg casket company, maybe at least got chance they do charity....

I'm sure they'll help lah... just maybe must fill up application form and wait 2 weeks to process your application...:D

mantrix
08-04-11, 12:02
dont tell people dont vote for them

tell ..PAP can use their ideas ....

so how ?


people will just have to take a chance...

tats the problem.....

if u put a prada bag and a wrap up bag side by side. tell the voter "choose the wrap up bag, u will get LV bag". if i am voter, i go for prada becos i confirm can get a prada bag...:D
so tats the risk for Opp if they keep secret weapon....[/QUOTE]

Now PAP's special weapon is their Kate Spade bag :D

Regulators
08-04-11, 12:44
Latest batch of pap more like perlini bag
tats the problem.....

if u put a prada bag and a wrap up bag side by side. tell the voter "choose the wrap up bag, u will get LV bag". if i am voter, i go for prada becos i confirm can get a prada bag...:D
so tats the risk for Opp if they keep secret weapon....

Now PAP's special weapon is their Kate Spade bag :D[/QUOTE]

land118
08-04-11, 12:48
Latest batch of pap more like perlini bag

Now PAP's special weapon is their Kate Spade bag :D[/quote] Good one...:D

It's about taking care of the people who live in that estate/constituency..., strange...suddenly become bag comparison. Tell them to the Ah Pek and Ah Siok living in rented HDB, for sure when they are young they look like LV, now maybe NTUC bag at most..., Leaders also the same....when young can chiong, old...also can still contribute and serve, but doesn't look so good anymore...

extremme
08-04-11, 13:37
Now PAP's special weapon is their Kate Spade bag :D


LOL!!!:D :D :D

That is a good one... and sekali the Kate Spade bag is cheong one....lagi worse

extremme
08-04-11, 13:58
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PAP should stop ‘belittling’ opposition: Chiam

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Veteran opposition Member of Parliament Chiam See Tong (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=chiam+see+tong&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) has called on Singapore's ruling People's Action Party (PAP) (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=people%27s+action+party&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) to stop "belittling" the opposition.
Speaking at his Meet-the-People Session (MPS) at Potong Pasir on Thursday, the 76-year-old said, "Ever since the PAP got into power, they have always been belittling the opposition."

“I think we have about enough men in the opposition to field two A-teams. They (PAP) always think that they have the monopoly of talent, but I think it's incorrect.”
Chiam who is the secretary-general of the Singapore's People Party (SPP) (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=singapore%27s+people+party&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) was referring to recent statements made by PM Lee Hsien Loong (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=lee+hsien+loong&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) that a two-party system is "not workable" because there is simply not enough talent to have two top "A-teams" govern Singapore.
"In case something happens to the so-called PAP 'A-team', what will Singapore be left with? We will be left in a lurch and sometimes it is too late to assemble another 'A-team'," he added.
Turning to the General Election, which is expected to be held soon, Chiam shot down suggestions that his party, the Singapore People's Party, tie up with the National Solidarity Party (NSP) (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=national+solidarity+party&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc).
Chiam, who will be contesting the Bishan-Toa Payoh group representation constituency (GRC) (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=group+representation+constituency&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) said, "We have our own team."
The MP also said the SPP is set to unveil a "big surprise" this coming Sunday, when it is expected to reveal its line-up of candidates that will challenge the PAP team led by Ministers Wong Kang Seng and Ng Eng Hen.
Yahoo! Singapore understands that the "big surprise" refers to the introduction of two potential candidates who are currently based overseas. A party source said that the two men had been courted by the PAP before but turned the ruling party down.
Other potential candidates who may be fielded include 38-year-old Juliana Juwahir, a member of the party's woman wing committee, as well as SPP's first assistant secretary-general, Wilfred Leung.
'Positive feedback on Lina'
While Chiam will be running in Bishan-Toa Payoh, his wife, Lina Chiam, 62, will be going up against PAP's likely candidate Seetoh Yi-Pin (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=seetoh+yi+pin&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) in Potong Pasir.
While the latter has lost in the last two elections, the margin won by MP Chiam hovered around the "just pass" mark of 55 percent, perhaps a sign of his diminishing influence.
When asked whether the statistics bothered him, Chiam simply said, "To me a win is a win. The main thing in an election is a win, whether it's by 2 per cent or 3 percent or whatever. As long as you win, it's good enough. I am not worried about the percentages."

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On the other hand, the opposition stalwart said that he is encouraged by the positive feedback given by the residents about his wife standing in as a candidate.
"The feedback has been very good and I am very encouraged by the feedback. The feedback has been very consistent, up till today. Everywhere we go we are welcomed with open arms," said Chiam, who has been the MP of the single-member ward since 1984.
His wife, who was also at the MPS session, told Yahoo! Singapore, "I wouldn't want to rate my chances. I'm just trying my very best to campaign for this election. This is up to the people of Potong Pasir, it's up to them who they want to vote (for) and I respect their wishes."
"Having said that, I will try my very best to win their hearts and minds, that they should vote for me because I will be able to carry on the work of my husband," she said.
When asked on her thoughts of going up against Seetoh, Lina said that each of them have a different brand of politics but said that they shared a cordial relationship.
"Mr Seetoh and I are sociably very good friends, we have no quarrels, I wish him the best. Each one of us have our own brand of politicking and well we will congratulate each other whoever wins".

extremme
08-04-11, 14:01
interesting... i wonder who these 2 men are, that they turn PAP down and yet join Opposition...

No wonder PAPs are left with new candidates with the likes of TPL, the foreign doctor who do not even serve NS, Desmond Choo who thinks 4 room flat is poor and Yen Ling who only help out at meet the people session 2 mths before elections.

Seems like all the good calibre private sector people with a passion to serve are joining the opposition camp instead.

ysyap
08-04-11, 14:16
No wonder PAPs are left with new candidates with the likes of TPL, the foreign doctor who do not even serve NS, Desmond Choo who thinks 4 room flat is poor and Yen Ling who only help out at meet the people session 2 mths before elections.


Good summary of our latest PAP candidates... :D

westman
08-04-11, 15:32
Saw this from CNA Forum:
http://forum.channelnewsasia.com/viewtopic.php?p=4280921#4280921

Has been staying silent for most of my life and tot ENOUGH IS ENOUGH after hearing the lame reasons from THE TOP.

In some sense, I tot Singapore - A Steroid Enhanced Nation?
Why? Reasons as follow:

-Singapore "appeared muscular” in many areas such as high GDP growth, excellent garment services, high quality MP (A Team) etc...
-We do so with “injection” of “Steroid” such as foreign talent to temporary boost our performance. Thus allowing good GDP growths and then the body owner (you know who) will be rewarded handsomely less the muscles who do the jobs (Silliporeans)
-We do not train/ build with good system coverage to auxiliary muscles (aka low income folks)
-We were told/brainwash if we reject “Steroid”, we will not be able to perform as good thus suffering will come.
-For fears of losing, we consume/inject even more “Steroid” for better performance
-With more “Steroid” injected, the body get congested and side effects start rolling in such as “Steroid” need to consume food, needs transports, need housing, need education for “Steroid” childrens etc…
-With congestion happening everywhere, muscles start complaining "My owner, we muscle now very tired, can stop steroid bor?"
-Body said, cannot lah. Not my fault, it's outside world fault. It's Inflation problem and not my Steroid addiction problem....
-At the end of the day, muscles believe it's inflation fault and nobody noticed it's "Steroid" casuing the pain

Many years later….muscles (Sillipoereans again) getting weaker due to maltreatments as “Steroid” has been the key option for body (again, you know who) to depend on for performance…

Once we reach this terminal stage, sure die!

wenqing
08-04-11, 16:13
Yep, I am relying on Internet for this elections.

No more ST and CNA cause they do not give real picture of the situation.

ST and CNA minimise PAP faults and maximise and exaggerate Opposition weaknesses.

westman
08-04-11, 16:34
Yep, I am relying on Internet for this elections.

No more ST and CNA cause they do not give real picture of the situation.

ST and CNA minimise PAP faults and maximise and exaggerate Opposition weaknesses.

WQ,

Over depending on one extreme is not good wor.
I think we have to balance the views from all medias to understand the "VALUE"

Thus, suggest you to read widely and not solely on new medias. Open heart suffice...

:2cents:

ysyap
08-04-11, 17:35
Just received the grow and share goodie pack and the radio tv license rebate. They will definitely ensure that we get it before the big day... hahaha!!! :D If they no time to visit the people for meet the people sessions, they must at least get someone to mail out all the goodies for them so they still look good... :tsk-tsk:

devilplate
08-04-11, 17:55
Just received the grow and share goodie pack and the radio tv license rebate. They will definitely ensure that we get it before the big day... hahaha!!! :D If they no time to visit the people for meet the people sessions, they must at least get someone to mail out all the goodies for them so they still look good... :tsk-tsk:

we r nvr satisfied......

westman
08-04-11, 19:20
Haha... Goodie lai lo.
But hor, dun't happy too fast...
They give you chicken wing now and base on past elections, be prepared to return all whole fried chicken within six months after election.:o

mcmlxxvi
08-04-11, 19:41
how abt yr idol lina chiam? what did she said when presenter ask her abt her team's plan? either she doesnt has ay plan or she forgot to memerise her line....haha....make herself a fool in front of tv!!! her favorite phrase..."correct me if i am wrong" if u cannot even convince yrself how do u expect ppl to believe in u. wat a clown!!
"Like" :-) comment

Regulators
09-04-11, 00:01
the package is peanuts, i can't even be bothered. Just think of all the road tax, ERP, property taxes, GST and other misc fees paid into the government coffers all these years and compare that with the "goodies" and it is just a grain in a pail of sand. Not forgetting that all these goodies come from our past contributions to the government. :doh: :doh:


Just received the grow and share goodie pack and the radio tv license rebate. They will definitely ensure that we get it before the big day... hahaha!!! :D If they no time to visit the people for meet the people sessions, they must at least get someone to mail out all the goodies for them so they still look good... :tsk-tsk:

devilplate
09-04-11, 00:10
the package is peanuts, i can't even be bothered. Just think of all the road tax, ERP, property taxes, GST and other misc fees paid into the government coffers all these years and compare that with the "goodies" and it is just a grain in a pail of sand. Not forgetting that all these goodies come from our past contributions to the government. :doh: :doh:

u belong to the higher income group mah....

all these rebates r meant for the lower income.....to u peanuts....to them mabe D24 durians liao:D

marktkt22
09-04-11, 00:12
I notice that PAP and media got caught off guard by Tin 'Healthcare and Education in Singapore is Cheap' Pei Ling effect on Singaporeans.

These days, alot of articles writing good stuff about her, asking voters to give her a chance and even use examples of young politicians from other countries.

This is unprecedented in PAP election history. Goh Keng Swee and Lim Kim San will be very upset and turn in their grave.


Yes, I will give chance to newbies but I prefer to give Opposition the chance.

This is matter of grave importance, not on the job training. She can do her training in kate spade though.

marktkt22
09-04-11, 00:20
Had been hearing that for quite a while and could not find any trace of such.

Yestersday news report was a shock to me.

BTW, if you recalled many years back when a PM remaked Singapore guy Kiasu, Kiasee and Kia bor during Rally day (Afraid to lose, Afraid to die and Afraid of wife). I tot it was referring to everyone wor and not specific one. BTW, this remakr was given before he step down as PM.

Now think back, he could be making a fun on someone wor given the open rivalry now...(go and think who meet the arks) :D :D

The rivalry is getting obvious, but wong comment is not being respectful .
Remember mat selamat, ...fiasco not so long ago
As asian society, basic respect to elder/senior must be there, that a basic for leadership

marktkt22
09-04-11, 00:31
I think you should watch Tin Pei Ling's speech at 2007 PAP Convention and her answers on RazorTV after introduction as PAP candidate.

When quizzed by journalists about her opinions on Healthcare and Education policies in Singapore, Tin Pei Ling give general answers like Healthcare and Education are already cheap in Singapore.

At 2007 speech, she said widening income gap is not government's reponsibility and Singaporeans should learn from older generation to bite bullets.

What are government's responsibilities then ? If now I still continue to bite bullets, where is the quality of living and what for I vote PAP for what ?

With such answers and solutions, I think those who see her at Meet-People-Sessions will receive little hope.
Look at the commd index,
Metal is getting expensive, hard to bite bullet, so guess we have to bite synthetic leather, or pasar malam fake kate spade bag.
Everything in spore is cheap, if you draw a high salary.

westman
09-04-11, 00:33
The rivalry is getting obvious, but wong comment is not being respectful .
Remember mat selamat, ...fiasco not so long ago
As asian society, basic respect to elder/senior must be there, that a basic for leadership

Anyway, so long the almighty still around, it should be just fine.
However, when the almighty kick the bucket, am predicting chaotics situation to emerge, thus, it would be good to buy some inssurance now with OPP as strong OPP can keep rivalry factions united within MIW.

Heard from some friends, OPP have been calling inssurance not just becos of check and balance to government but also to position as a stabling forces when all hells went loose within MIW when POST ALMIGHTY ERA arrived!

:2cents:

westman
09-04-11, 00:34
Look at the commd index,
Metal is getting expensive, hard to bite bullet, so guess we have to bite synthetic leather, or pasar malam fake kate spade bag.
Everything in spore is cheap, if you draw a high salary.

I dun't know what to say.

marktkt22
09-04-11, 00:42
Many year ago, i stay in ayer rajah. The pap candidate dr tan cheng bock, he really is the kind that walked around every week, met the pple, help them with problem, and contest every election on his own merit. I doubt we can find such gd calibre candidate. I Heard his speech as a back bencher in parliament, sharp, incisive, with depth.

westman
09-04-11, 00:52
Many year ago, i stay in ayer rajah. The pap candidate dr tan cheng bock, he really is the kind that walked around every week, met the pple, help them with problem, and contest every election on his own merit. I doubt we can find such gd calibre candidate. I Heard his speech as a back bencher in parliament, sharp, incisive, with depth.

Me stay at Jurong and I remeber my mum brought me to is clinic (becos he charge very low price too) for medical consultation during one weekend as government clinic was closed. Not much of impression of him but tot he was very very nice.

Also, former Jurong MP (Ho kar Leong, easily late 70 or 80++ now) was a good man too.

During my younger age, I tot PAP is EVERYTHING!

However, my opinion changed after married/have kids/kids go schooling...
The so call 2G leaders has changed!

Everything they touch, $$$ sure follow....:(

:doh:

extremme
09-04-11, 01:28
Yes old guards were good...

extremme
09-04-11, 01:31
Saw this Facebook post dat dis person was in bedok grc when he saw e mp.. Very excited went up to shake e mp Hand. Mp asked him which ward he is from he said tanjong pagar n e mp just walk away

This post speaks volumes?

romeo
09-04-11, 01:32
wow.. wat a long thread..

eager to see who r the two overseas opp candidates.. rejected pap.. hooray!!

wise choice :)

wind of change blowing..

i see a real difference when pap n opp do their walkabouts..
for pap, residents seem to put up a fake front n smile n shake hands..

but when low n chiam walk their rounds.. residents wear a BIG smile with open arms..

R E S P E C T..

that s my view anyways

ysyap
09-04-11, 08:53
Just think of all the road tax, ERP, property taxes, GST and other misc fees paid into the government coffers all these years

Oh yes... this is our lovely govt. When too much cars on road, cut COE quantum, put more ERP gantries, raise ERP prices. When too much demand for houses, build more BTO and EC, release more lands for developers to play in the market. When got accident at MRT then they proposed to build the glass barriers at all non-underground stations but 2 years down, how come AMK still not built... poor poor girl. Isn't this fire fighting? Shouldn't it be projecting ahead to minimize fire fighting? I know there is no perfect projection but at least can minimize lor...
CTE prob has been there since I can remember but only soft measures like raise ERP rates introduced and only recently thinking abt road widening. I already proposed to them years back to build two storey CTE that connects AMK ave 1 to city direct so 2 groups of vehicle movement but nothing was taken up. Sigh! :doh:

westman
09-04-11, 09:15
wow.. wat a long thread..

R E S P E C T..

that s my view anyways

Agreed. If you pay attention to tv news reports with regards to Walkabout.
You will noticed this..

1) PAP walkabout appeared to be very popular. However, if you look carefully, you will noticed the following:
A) those so call nearby residents could probably came from another constituencies as you noticed these aunties carry bags (sometime with goodie bag as well). Apparently, these group of residents were actually fetch from elsewhere to make up the participants quota. My mum/mum in law were invited a few times by their void deck kaki to go jalan. They went becos their kaki told them, transport will be provided, occasionally food will be provided and the same goes to goodies bag. A friend (pap grassroot leader who aids a NE MP) of mine told me that was true when I asked about this.

2) also, you probably noticed when PAP candidates walkabout from table table to shake hands, residents often just merely extend their hands for a shake plus a wayang smiling face. unlike PAP, voters often voluntary come forward or stand up when both of them approaching their tables for hand shakes.

The list can go on but I think it would be more interesting for you to figure it out yourself.

Regulators
09-04-11, 11:13
It is peanuts even to hdb dwellers. Just compare that with the season parking charges and the conservancy charges they have been paying all along. Almost everybody shop for daily items, from 3% gst to 7% and going to implement 10% later, do you think government has the people's welfare at heart? Shanmugum said top 40% paying gst to help those lower income, I don't see how that helps when gst credits given to lower income is peanuts in comparison to what they spent on gst.
u belong to the higher income group mah....

all these rebates r meant for the lower income.....to u peanuts....to them mabe D24 durians liao:D

devilplate
09-04-11, 11:34
It is peanuts even to hdb dwellers. Just compare that with the season parking charges and the conservancy charges they have been paying all along. Almost everybody shop for daily items, from 3% gst to 7% and going to implement 10% later, do you think government has the people's welfare at heart? Shanmugum said top 40% paying gst to help those lower income, I don't see how that helps when gst credits given to lower income is peanuts in comparison to what they spent on gst.

lower income dun own cars....

i tink those real poor ppl spend $500 on food, daily necessities every mth....10% GST is $50 extra.....one yr $600 more...hmm....however, they dun pay income tax as below 20k....

btw, how much they got for the rebates?

ysyap
09-04-11, 12:27
lower income dun own cars....

i tink those real poor ppl spend $500 on food, daily necessities every mth....10% GST is $50 extra.....one yr $600 more...hmm....however, they dun pay income tax as below 20k....

btw, how much they got for the rebates?

No greedy humans will ever say what the govt dish out is ever enough... wait govt don't give liao... hahaha! Anyway, at least give better than not giving lah... Problem is opposition have no control over the $$ to give so can only listen and try to help in other ways... Given a choice, which is preferred? Hmmm.... no brainer lah :doh:

westman
09-04-11, 13:01
lower income dun own cars....


Noticed all old HDB near MRT were demolished to make way for new development and sad to see most of these residential developement goes to private and less for HDB.

Travel along west to east line, you will noticed alot of vacant lands starting from Chinese Garden to Redhill.

To me, I hope governement can build more HDB near MRT thus allowing more transport saving for those less fortunate. Private to be abit out than HDB since they are more blessed.

Of course, some would argue HDB flats near MRT can be costly. Well, since this is so call "subsidise flat", I believe government can do something about it to help those low income purchase HDB flats near MRT.

:2cents:

romeo
09-04-11, 15:02
Agreed. If you pay attention to tv news reports with regards to Walkabout.
You will noticed this..

1) PAP walkabout appeared to be very popular. However, if you look carefully, you will noticed the following:
A) those so call nearby residents could probably came from another constituencies as you noticed these aunties carry bags (sometime with goodie bag as well). Apparently, these group of residents were actually fetch from elsewhere to make up the participants quota. My mum/mum in law were invited a few times by their void deck kaki to go jalan. They went becos their kaki told them, transport will be provided, occasionally food will be provided and the same goes to goodies bag. A friend (pap grassroot leader who aids a NE MP) of mine told me that was true when I asked about this.

2) also, you probably noticed when PAP candidates walkabout from table table to shake hands, residents often just merely extend their hands for a shake plus a wayang smiling face. unlike PAP, voters often voluntary come forward or stand up when both of them approaching their tables for hand shakes.

The list can go on but I think it would be more interesting for you to figure it out yourself.

wah.. wayang propaganda

wenqing
09-04-11, 18:58
No greedy humans will ever say what the govt dish out is ever enough... wait govt don't give liao... hahaha! Anyway, at least give better than not giving lah... Problem is opposition have no control over the $$ to give so can only listen and try to help in other ways... Given a choice, which is preferred? Hmmm.... no brainer lah :doh:

You do not need top talent or high achievers to dish out money just before elections.

WP can also do the same as government and maybe give even more.

I do not vote on such gimmicks.

This is encouraging Singaporeans to be bought, to have no backbone and to be soft.

Imagine Singapore at times of war.

This type of winning votes has no meritrocracy inside it. PAP is slapping its own punch lines.

wenqing
09-04-11, 18:59
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/workers-party-star-candidate-opens-20110408-214029-348.html

Workers’ Party’s star candidate opens up


He had applied to study medicine at the National University of Singapore, but was rejected.

"They felt too many were going into medicine, perhaps like too many are going into the PAP," joked the Workers' Party's (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Workers+Party&#38;fr=fp-today&#38;cs=bz) star catch, Chen Show Mao (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Chen+Show+Mao&#38;fr=fp-today&#38;cs=bz), in an interview with The Straits Times.

The top A-level student of the 1979 cohort in Singapore, which included Cabinet ministers Vivian Balakrishnan and Lui Tuck Yew, then packed his bags and went to Harvard to study economics.

He landed the Rhodes scholarship for student languages and history at Oxford in 1986, and later earned a law doctorate from Stanford University in the U.S.

Since then, Chen, 50, has been away from Singapore for nearly 30 years and has been based most recently in China.

Now, the corporate lawyer, whose list of accomplishments includes leading a legal team in the world's biggest public listing of China's Agricultural Bank last year, is ready to return to Singapore and dive into the arena of opposition politics.

Over the two-hour interview, Chen, a self-professed "serious" person, talked about his background and desires for politics in Singapore.

While he does not fundamentally disagree with any particular People's Action Party (http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Peoples+Action+Party&#38;fr=fp-today&#38;cs=bz) policy, Chen wants to build a multi-party system to help create a more stable government.

He believes that competitive politics will create better policies and a better Singapore.

"You don't have many Singaporeans doing this job, and I'd like to help do what I can," he said to the local paper.

Chen said he visited WP's headquarters at Syed Alwi Road in 2007 and joined the party after. He felt they were "like-minded people".

"We share the same goals and agree on the general approach and enjoy each other's company working together," he said.

Chen admitted his family had been resistant to his intention of joining opposition politics.

His father came from Taiwan to work for a trading company here, before setting up on his own. Two years later, 11-year-old Chen, his younger sister and mother moved to Singapore.

In 1986, Chen became a Singapore citizen. He believes his time abroad has not made him any less Singaporean.

And what does he think about the buzz that was created around him as the WP's star candidate?

Chen wants to be seen as just an "ordinary WP member".

He said, "At 50, I am older than most other members. Unless they are 50-year-olds, they're not going to have had the chance to have done as much in their line of work.

And we know paper qualifications hide a wealth of heartaches and failures."

wenqing
09-04-11, 19:02
NUS do not give Chen Show Mao Medicine because his results was top so NUS preferred he choose something else.

Looks like NUS medicine was so common then and was given to people without exceptional grades.

Looks like Vivian Bala's grades were normal after all.

:D :D :D

eng81157
09-04-11, 21:16
NUS do not give Chen Show Mao Medicine because his results was top so NUS preferred he choose something else.

Looks like NUS medicine was so common then and was given to people without exceptional grades.

Looks like Vivian Bala's grades were normal after all.

:D :D :D

that's the official reason that nus gives. been through it personally too. the real reason is that we don't have friends or relatives who are doctors or of a capacity to influence those sitting on the selection panel.

a good portion of places is reserved for the favored, only scraps and remnants are open to mere mortals

wenqing
09-04-11, 23:06
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3164320

Chen Show Mao drinks kopi like everyone else..

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3180912

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3165056&page=3

1979年,陈硕茂在A水准会考中数学、物理、化学、生物四科主修考获全部A,英文理解与写作和华文第二语文也获得特优,是国家初级学院第一名的学生,也是当年学生会的会长。原想留在新加坡念医科的他遭新加坡国立大学拒绝,于是完成国民服役后,父母把他送到美国哈佛大学深造,他改修经济学。

Chen Show Mao from NJC topped Singapore GCE ‘A’ Level exams in 1979. Throughout the 70 till early 80, NJC was the top JC in Singapore. He is more of a all rounder with a stronger inclination towards the humanities rather than an outstanding science student though. He was active in college and was President of the Student Council.

Unfortunately he was rejected from doing Medicine in NUS due to a policy that deliberately discourages very outstanding students to do medicine that started around that time. In fact, the subsequent top A-level student in 1980 was also rejected from doing Medicine in NUS for the same reason.

However, Show Mao served NS after A-level despite being borned in Taiwan and could have just gone over to the US after A-level. Most foreign borned students in those days will leave for US or UK before or immediately after A-level.

After NS, he went to Harvard and graduated top in economics for his undergraduate degree. in 1986, he was awarded the Rhodes Scholarship to study Philosophy in Oxford. Subsequently, he did law in Stanford and worked for a top 5 US law firm ever since. He is currently managing partner in the Bejing office.

wenqing
09-04-11, 23:09
Last time PAP always like to use narrowing of income gap as reasons to vote for them but now we have the below....self-contradicting party.


http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=54357035

Tin Pei Ling: widening income gap is NOT the responsibility of the government

Tin Pei Ling: Globalisation – High & Low

Dated : 11-11-2007

Party Convention – 2007
Globalisation – High & Low
Tin Pei Ling



尊敬的党领导及各位同志朋友们,早上好!我是行青团,也是乌鲁班丹支部的陈佩玲。非常感谢大会容许我针对“收入差距,贫富悬殊” 这个课题,以双语发表看法。

Respectable party leaders and comrades, good morning to you all. My name is Tin Pei Ling from the Young PAP (Ulu Pandan). I am grateful to have this opportunity to share my views in two languages on the topic of the widening income gap.

相信这个课题已不是什么新鲜事。在考虑贫富悬殊这项难题的当儿,不仅是考量收入差距是否越来越大,更值得关注的是那些属于“贫困” 的一群是否能,最低限度,生存并避免恶性循环。对于这个日趋严重的问题,许多人怨天怨地,更怨政府。可是,这真的只是政府的责任吗?我,不以为然。

This is not a new topic. Besides studying whether the gap is widening, it is more important to find out if the lowest-income group is able to get by and not fall into the vicious cycle. Many people are complaining and blaming the government for this problem. But is this really the responsibility of the government? I don’t think so.

政府可以从宏观的角度,设立强有力的架构协助我们成功,但这是不够的。所谓:” 国家兴亡,匹夫有责” 。每个人,不分你我,对国家有责任,对周围的同胞们也有责任!

The government, at the macro level, can set up a robust framework to help us be successful, but this is not enough. As the Chinese saying goes, the individual has a responsibility towards the survival and success of the country. Everyone, besides a duty for the nation, also has an obligation to the fellow countrymen around him.

今天,我不把时间耗在找出问题的根源。我们不能纸上谈兵,要有实际的行动才会有望解决难题。与此,我谨大胆地献上两项提议,再以英语演说另外两项。

Today, I am not trying to find a reason for the situation. We should not just talk about it, but need to be proactive in finding a solution. Please excuse my boldness in offering two suggestions, and two more in my English speech.

第一项,我们要自强不息,力争上游;不断地自我调适,自我更新!许多人认为做人难,做新加坡人更难!从某些角度来看,这或许是真的。可人生又曾几何时是尽如人意的?我们应该要了解,环球发展不会为了新加坡,更不会为了你或我而放慢。尽管政府再怎么尽全力地资助或扶持我们,这始终不是万全之策 -- 治标不治本。

First of all, we need to persevere and strive for continuous improvement, adjustment and rejuvenation. A lot of people think that making a living is difficult, I think making a living in Singapore is even more difficult! We need to understand that globalization will not slow down for Singapore, or you and me. No matter how hard the government tries to subsidise and help us, it will just be treating the problem superficially without solving the root.

政府好比水上一艘船,它能帮助我们更安全顺利地渡江到达目的地。但这艘船最终还需人来操作,需要人来导航。换言之,人的自身是关键。如果我们不自己帮自己,那又怎么可能解决问题,怎么成功呢?

The government is like a ship and it can help us reach our destination safely and smoothly. However, this ship still needs to be operated by people. In other words, we still play the critical role ourselves. If we are not helping ourselves, how can we solve the problem?

第二项,身为晚辈,我们要以先辈及长辈为模范,传承并发扬他们的良好观念及刚毅精神。我党成立至今已有约53年之久了。许多可谓党的鼻祖仍活跃于我们当中。他们在当时动荡不安,生活条件恶劣的情况下屹立不倒,并持着破釜沉舟的决心为新加坡奠下根深蒂固的基础,打出一番天地!不说别人,就说我父亲年轻时,大约60年代,当时三餐不一定能温饱,若不小心丢了两角钱,一整天就没得吃,还得从学校走路回家!尽管如此,他们那一代人克勤克苦,终于成功了!这是值得我们学习的啊!

Secondly, we need to learn from our forefathers and seniors. We should emulate and promote their value systems and spirit of endurance. Our party is 53 years old, many pioneers are still active today. They have lived through the years of turbulence, under very poor living conditions, but they did not give up.

They bite the bullet and helped to build a strong foundation for Singapore. Take my own father as an example, when he was a young man in the sixties, he struggled even with three meals a day. If he dropped 20 cents, he would have to starve for a day and walk all the way home from school. Despite all these, his generation worked hard and succeeded ultimately. This is something we should learn from.

所以,在经济环境不利于我们的时候,我们一定要继续坚持,奋斗,改造!

Hence, even when the economic environment is not favourable, we must continue to persevere, work hard and make a difference!

A very good morning to Party Chairman, Secretary-General and fellow comrades! My name is Tin Pei Ling from the Young PAP (Ulu Pandan).

I thank you for the opportunity to speak today, and I thank my fellow YP comrades for sharing their insights with me online. Allow me to share these with you.

Singapore’s income gap is growing. The Gini coefficient for Singapore had increased from 0.442 to 0.472 in year 2000, before adjusting for Government benefits and taxes. From an economic standpoint, this suggests a growing income inequality.

This widening of income gap is a complex challenge faced by every society. And to tackle this, it helps to break it down and address the components accordingly.

Getting the Economics Right

To address the rich-poor gap, we must first ascertain the possibility of becoming rich in the first place! Hence, from a macro-level, we must be able to progress and hold our own against giant, booming economies such as China and India.

We must not easily fall prey to the short-sighted proposals made by the Opposition, who push for either protectionism or welfarism! We are Singaporeans who have dignity and integrity. We can achieve much if we are willing to put in the effort. And we should not yield to these temptations (short-term wins), as other greater nations than ours did and been the worse for it.

From a micro-level, and of most immediate concern, those at the bottom of the social ladder must have sufficient to live by. Having ensured that, there must be hope for the children of those who are considered poor now to break out of the poverty cycle later in life. In essence, we must – (1) Help the poor; (2) Maintain social mobility.

Helping the Poor
In Singapore, it appears that while the rich has gotten richer, the poor have NOT gotten poorer. The Department of Statistics reported that the bottom 20% of our population have seen their lives improve over the last decade.

BUT there are still those amongst us who need help. Some, we meet weekly at our Meet-the-People Sessions; some, we meet almost daily in our classes or workplace. As youth, it is crucial that we remain aware of the needy. We, who have voices, must advocate for those who cannot speak. And we must do more than speak – we must act, by seeking out those who need help and find ways to help them.

As YP members, we also have the privilege of working with our Parliamentary leaders and decision makers. In the course of serving the community, we have learnt about the different avenues of assistance and paths to seek help. We know the strength of our national system, and how the good can become even better!

This confers upon us a special responsibility, to give ground feedback sincerely and honestly, without fear or favour. Let it never be said that the Young PAP is a bastion of yes-men and women, but young thinking Singaporeans who are prepared to speak our minds, defend and decide what is right and not just about being popular.

Maintaining Social Mobility – Helping the Next Generation

Our nation abides by the principle of meritocracy.

It is a tragedy when a family descends into poverty. But the tragedy is multiplied if that family’s children cannot rise out of poverty. We must not let this happen.

Hence, children from poor families must enjoy equal access to education. They must not feel compelled to leave school in order to make ends meet. Neither should they be afraid to aspire to schools of excellence, for fear that their great talent is not matched by great wealth.

Thankfully, our education system has done well compared to other countries! We have been able to subsidise education for young Singaporeas, and spread quality across our neighbourhood schools. Singapore has done this competently and should continue to evolve to become better!

As members of Young PAP, we also have a role. Those of us who have risen out of poverty can be role models, helping to guide the less fortunate along the road we have trodden ourselves. And those of us still struggling to make ends meet, can be a voice to highlight situations on the ground, while inspiring our fellow men and women as we endeavour onward and upward to build a better future.

Conclusion
In summary, the rich-poor gap is not an easy issue, and there are no easy answers.

As youth of today, we have an important role: Our willingness to serve and give back to society can be the inspiration for others to do the same.

If we help one another, if the privileged willingly contribute out of a sense of social responsibility, then we can achieve a precious possibility. -- Build a country where the poor know they can aspire to greatness, where the helpless – having fought the good fight – will be looked after.

We, the youth of Singapore, have been privileged with many gifts by virtue of our history and our unique situation today. With our great gifts, comes great responsibility.

Let us take up that responsibility and build a better tomorrow, starting today.

SOURCE: http://www.pap.org.sg/articleview.php?id=2746&cid=23 (http://www.pap.org.sg/articleview.php?id=2746&cid=23)

wenqing
09-04-11, 23:10
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/workers-party-first-unveil-manifesto-20110409-050442-088.html



Workers’ Party the first to unveil manifesto



The Workers' Party (WP) (http://forums.condosingapore.com/) has unveiled its manifesto and campaign slogan for the upcoming General Election (GE) (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=general+election+singapore&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc), making it the first political party to do so.


At a press conference held on Saturday afternoon, the party presented its 65-page manifesto titled, "Towards a First World Parliament" which covered fifteen various topics ranging from economic policy, housing, immigration and education.


Leading the six-member panel was WP's chairman, Ms Sylvia Lim (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=sylvia+lim+singapore&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc) who is also a Non-Constituency Member of Parliament (NCMP) (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=non+constituency+member+of+parliament&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc).

Other panelists included potential party candidates Mr Pritam Singh, Mr Gerald Giam, Mr Muhd Faisal Abdul Manap, Mr Png Eng Huat and Mr Yaw Shin Leong.


Also in attendance was the party's secretary-general Mr Low Thia Khiang (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=low+thia+khiang&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2-ytff-tyc), MP for the single ward of Hougang (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/happy-way-things-hougang-residents-20110403-023516-644.html) but he was not part of the panelists.

Introducing its campaign slogan, "Vote Workers' Party — towards a first world parliament", Ms Sylvia Lim explained that the choice of slogan was based on the party's belief that it is important to assess whether the institutions of government are functioning properly, in particular the parliament.


While the country has achieved first world standards in certain areas such economic development and infrastructure, Ms Lim added that the same cannot be said of the nation's model of governance.


The other panelists also went on to touch on the various issues in the manifesto which bears resemblance to the one that the party unveiled before the election in 2006.

wenqing
10-04-11, 00:52
http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/vote-workers-party-towards-a-first-world-parliament/


Vote Workers’ Party – towards a First World Parliament

Posted by admin (http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/author/admin/) on April 9, 2011 in Breaking News (http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/category/breaking-news/), Workers' Party (http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/category/workers-party/) | 3 Comments (http://ge2011.theonlinecitizen.com/2011/04/vote-workers-party-towards-a-first-world-parliament/#comments)


var addthis_product = 'wpp-254';var addthis_config = {"data_track_clickback":true};The Workers’ Party launched its campaign slogan and manifesto for the upcoming General Election on 9 April, Sunday, at its party headquarters.


You can view the manifesto here (http://wp.sg/manifesto).


The following is the party’s media brief about the event:


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Campaign slogan: “Vote Workers’ Party – Towards A First World Parliament”

The Workers’ Party (WP) will campaign on the slogan, “Vote Workers’ Party – Towards a First World Parliament”.


WP has chosen this slogan for the coming General Election because it believes that it is vital at this juncture of our nation building to critically assess whether our institutions of government are functioning properly, in particular, Parliament.

As we move towards Parliamentary elections in our 46th year of independence as a nation, we should ask ourselves what kind of Parliament is needed to ensure that Singapore endures for the future.


While Singapore has achieved First World standards in certain areas such as economic development and infrastructure, the same cannot be said of our model of governance.

With an overwhelmingly dominant People’s Action Party (PAP) in Parliament, there are severe limitations as to how far Parliament can check the Government, which is supposed to be one of Parliament’s key functions.

Ruling party Members of Parliament must support Government agenda, which means that the Government can steamroll its plans through the House easily.


The Workers’ Party believes that it is not in the national interest for Parliament to continue to be so overwhelmingly dominated by the PAP.


There is a real danger that Parliament will appear to be a rubber stamp for the government agenda.


No government is perfect, or infallible, or lasts forever. The ruling party must be subject to scrutiny and challenge and competition to keep it on its toes.

It is also critical that Singaporeans are not stuck with just one party able to govern, and no fall-back plan.

Alternative governments do not spring up overnight to take over when a government fails. Political experience must be built, and having members of other political parties being elected into Parliament with the people’s mandate is the start to vuilding the necessary political insurance.


Characteristics of First World Parliament


In our view, a First World parliament for Singapore would have the following characteristics:

It would consist only of Members of Parliament elected in free and fair elections, all of whom have similar voting rights due to their mandate from their constituencies;
It would function as a robust check and balance against the Government. For this to happen, there must be a critical mass of elected MPs from the opposition parties.
The Opposition in Parliament must also be responsible for defending national interest viz. to ensure that the Government does not take steps which hurt the people;
Parliament must respect the Constitution and people’s constitutional rights.How a First World Parliament would benefit Singaporeans

If Singaporeans vote towards a First World Parliament, WP believes the following benefits would accrue to improve Singaporeans’ lives:

There will be more thorough public examination of policies, subject to public scrutiny. This will promote greater accountability and transparency, and empower Singaporeans to make informed choices;
The ruling party would be kept on its toes due to political pressure. It would also have to think twice about implementing harsh policies or pay a political price;
Singaporeans will have some insurance in the event of ruling party decline;
More diverse interests and viewpoints would be represented in the House, for better representation.
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wenqing
10-04-11, 01:16
http://singapore-lighthouse.blogspot.com/2011/03/paps-tin-pei-ling-declared-war-on-anti.html


PAP's Tin Pei Ling Declared War on Anti-Establishment Netizens!


PAP's Tin Pei Ling Declared War on Anti-Establishment Netizens!



Yesterday was the 3rd batch of PAP Candidates being introduced by Minister Without Portfolio Lim boon Heng and one of them revealed was the youngest candidate ever field by the PAP.

She's 27 Years old Ms Tin Pei Ling and during 28 March Channel 5 News, she mentioned that she will use "New Media" such as Social Networking Sites "to give voice to people (just to share good ideas?)"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OU3cd928aKw/TZDIeTz4BJI/AAAAAAAABVQ/__zyH-SM3YU/s400/PAP%2BYoungest.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OU3cd928aKw/TZDIeTz4BJI/AAAAAAAABVQ/__zyH-SM3YU/s1600/PAP%2BYoungest.jpg)
(All screen grabs from MediaCorp Channel 5)

Apparently, blogging, Facebook etc are not new, but pretty new to PAP and was wondering why she mentioned these are New Media?

Later on, she "declared war" (IMO) on Singaporean Net activities that are dominated by "Anti Establishment" elements.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Y3PhmcfQFoE/TZDId-hxkwI/AAAAAAAABVI/TULmo8SxviU/s400/War%2Bon%2BSingapore%2BNetizens%2521.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Y3PhmcfQFoE/TZDId-hxkwI/AAAAAAAABVI/TULmo8SxviU/s1600/War%2Bon%2BSingapore%2BNetizens%2521.jpg)

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IMO, she's another PAP Parrot, parroting her PAP Masters' Policies and Anti-Singaporeans Policies such as Immigration, Refusal of setting minimum wages for low income workers.

Why use Social Media Sites when she is suppose to reflect her (if she is even elected or best walked over) constituents' concerns and bring them up to the parliament?

Is she attempting another battery jump start of defunct "PAP" P65 Blog when Vikram Nair (http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/08/p65-blogger-reveals-he-is-young-pap-member/) had failed? Perhaps she can start P70 or P80 Online Forums to engage those Anti Establishment sites or people.

She or her PAP Masters had failed to realised that Anti-Establishment sites or Blogs such as mine are all free agents; others or myself does not report to the White Ivory Tower with a Red Lighting. For myself, I write about my thoughts resulted from PAP's Anti-Singaporeans Policies to increase GDP and increase their Annual Salaries.

I was wondering who was the P65 site owner and using whois; it belonged to Vikram Nair (http://www.youngpap.org.sg/about/executive-committee/), a Young PAP Member who tried to masquerade himself as a P65 Blogger and in fact he was the owner.

Mask exposed and Site had to be trashed because its not that non Partisan! How stupid!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7oduxROCH0E/TZFEBtRxyrI/AAAAAAAABWY/qI3tLvwCGzE/s400/Whois%2BP65.JPG (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7oduxROCH0E/TZFEBtRxyrI/AAAAAAAABWY/qI3tLvwCGzE/s1600/Whois%2BP65.JPG)
(Source: www.whois.net (http://www.whois.net/whois/p65.sg))

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(Source: http://www.p65.sg/ Latest Post was in Jan 2011)

Their link even had a contributor from Miami using Internet Marketing to sell a Miami Law Firm's services.


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(Miami Car Accident Lawyer (http://www.pessinlaw.com/miami-car-accident-lawyer/))

After the Media Exposure, today online sites such as AsiaOne (http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110329-270611.html), Straits Times Online (http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110329-270611.html) had published her background for everyone to see.

So if PAP wins another round election, I am sure that the people working in the Media Hub will received a fat bonus from their PAP Boss, ops, I meant SPH bosses. :)

I think Pei Ling will have extremely bright ideas to control these Anti-Establishment Internet Sites and Blogs. Maybe banning Anti-PAP sites? :)

devilplate
10-04-11, 11:38
lower income dun own cars....

i tink those real poor ppl spend $500 on food, daily necessities every mth....10% GST is $50 extra.....one yr $600 more...hmm....however, they dun pay income tax as below 20k....

btw, how much they got for the rebates?

receive the goodie letter....they illustrated 3k and 5k for a whole family....wow...so much subisidy ar....:rolleyes:

Regulators
10-04-11, 14:31
Anyone with brains and basic intellect will never vote for people like foo mee har or tin peiling. Both are still wet behind the ears and should continue working in the grassroots for another ten years before joining politics. Those mindless people who field them in should have suggested for them to spend a longer time in grassroots work before entering politics. These greenhorns are only endorsed by pap and no one else. Current ruling party too arrogant to seek people's opinions about candidates they choose and as usual trying to force things down on people. Who ultimately are going to pay these greenhorns, isn't it from the people's money? We don't seem to have a say in our future leaders, and we can only voice our discntently thru our votes. We need a good percentage of opposition in parliament so please show support. We do not wasn't a situation whereby o ur constitution can be changed a and when the ruling party likes and for gst to be increased in parliament or any laws passed without debate in parliament or veto powers.

romeo
10-04-11, 15:37
Anyone with brains and basic intellect will never vote for people like foo mee har or tin peiling. Both are still wet behind the ears and should continue working in the grassroots for another ten years before joining politics. Those mindless people who field them in should have suggested for them to spend a longer time in grassroots work before entering politics. These greenhorns are only endorsed by pap and no one else. Current ruling party too arrogant to seek people's opinions about candidates they choose and as usual trying to force things down on people. Who ultimately are going to pay these greenhorns, isn't it from the people's money? We don't seem to have a say in our future leaders, and we can only voice our discntently thru our votes. We need a good percentage of opposition in parliament so please show support. We do not wasn't a situation whereby o ur constitution can be changed a and when the ruling party likes and for gst to be increased in parliament or any laws passed without debate in parliament or veto powers.

haiz.. this has been a case.. even if there is.. its wayang.. always its the opp dat put up a good fight in parliament.. but too powerless in a sea of pap..

If there is an election or we have a say to take away or change grc to single ward.. woo hoo.. THEN that is fair fight or real democracy in political arena.. coz then we as citizens will truly have a say in who we wana vote in for our ward..

I M ALL FOR ABOLISHMENT OF GRC.:) :scared-4: :( :doh: :D :o :cheers1: :spliff: :spliff2: :2cents:

land118
10-04-11, 15:53
receive the goodie letter....they illustrated 3k and 5k for a whole family....wow...so much subisidy ar....:rolleyes:
Ya...also got letter, illustration is juicy$ but probably apply to many of us here ....