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Anyone know what are the condo in opposition wards? Was having a discussion with colleagues if opposition party wins in your district for a period of 2 terms, i was wondering if it affect the surrounding value. Just a though/discussion.
Anyone can help with some condo names? i like to investigate ......
devilplate
05-03-11, 22:33
Anyone know what are the condo in opposition wards? Was having a discussion with colleagues if opposition party wins in your district for a period of 2 terms, i was wondering if it affect the surrounding value. Just a though/discussion.
Anyone can help with some condo names? i like to investigate ......
u can analyze condos ard potong pasir mrt....
u can analyze condos ard potong pasir mrt....
they anyhow cut the place, can be sure all condo near mrt is opposition?
devilplate
05-03-11, 22:44
they anyhow cut the place, can be sure all condo near mrt is opposition?
does it really matter for pte ppty? even if its not under opposition....ppl will perceive them to be anyway...
let us noe ur verdict yay:D
does it really matter for pte ppty? even if its not under opposition....ppl will perceive them to be anyway...
let us noe ur verdict yay:D
my colleagues just visited his client at hougang apparently. He told me across the road HDB's condition and valuation is world of difference. Commented condition can be "greatly improved"
i go property guru see can get some infor or not
my colleagues just visited his client at hougang apparently. He told me across the road HDB's condition and valuation is world of difference. Commented condition can be "greatly improved"
i go property guru see can get some infor or not
HDB is responsible for all flats in Singapore including HDB car parks.
I think your colleagues are using misleading words.
Flats in Potong Pasir and Hougang are much more expensive than other PAP areas like Sembawang, Jurong, Pasir Ris,Ang Mo Kio etc.
You can check propertyguru. It is all about location.
For HDB, transport, location, amenities are more important.
For private is facilities, location, quality are more important.
Location means everything for property, not politics.
All areas will be contested. No walkovers.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=45101.1
HDB is responsible for all flats in Singapore including HDB car parks.
I think your colleagues are using misleading words.
Flats in Potong Pasir and Hougang are much more expensive than other PAP areas like Sembawang, Jurong, Pasir Ris,Ang Mo Kio etc.
You can check propertyguru. It is all about location.
For HDB, transport, location, amenities are more important.
For private is facilities, location, quality are more important.
Location means everything for property, not politics.
you are not wrg to say this. As we know PAP use upgrading as a political "advantage" in elections. I may be wrong, that is y i like to investigate it. BTW the comments of undervalued is from the owner, as he says valuation across the street is higher.
Hougang also got opposition n PAP if i m not wrong. The line drawn is somewhat unclear for pple whom do not live there. Can someone give me a little infor to get started.... that area i m totally gone
Opposition-ward town councils fare poorly http://news.asiaone.com/a1media/site/common/blank.gif Fri, Jun 11, 2010
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By Low Wei Xiang
THE report card is out for the 16 here - and the two opposition- run ones, Potong Pasir and Hougang, did not fare well.
The Ministry of National Development's (MND) first biannual Town Council Management Report covers six indicators across four key areas: Estate cleanliness, estate maintenance, lift performance and arrears on service and conservancy charges (S&CC).
http://forums.condosingapore.com/ (http://ad.doubleclick.net/click%3Bh%3Dv8/3ac1/3/0/%2a/g%3B225662813%3B0-0%3B2%3B39581935%3B4307-300/250%3B37105020/37122898/1%3B%3B%7Esscs%3D%3fhttp://photobank.com.sg/home.html)http://s0.2mdn.net/viewad/817-grey.gif (http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;h=v8/3ac1/0/0/%2a/a;44306;0-0;0;39581935;1141-10/10;0/0/0;;%7Esscs=%3f)From last October to March this year, 10 Housing Board inspectors helped assess the town councils, with each indicator graded from Level 1 - the best - to Level 5.
Potong Pasir scored Level 5 on four indicators, while Hougang scored two Level 5s and one Level 4. The People's Action Party wards received a Level 3 or better on all indicators. Tanjong Pagar town council did best, scoring Level 1 for all indicators except one.
Both opposition town councils did not respond to e-mail queries at press time.
An MND spokesman said the report serves two purposes.
First, it provides feedback to residents on the performance of town councils. Second, residents can use the findings to discuss improvements with their town councils.
However, the spokesman advised against using the report to compare town councils' performance directly. Each town operates under unique circumstances, such as having different types of residents and properties, he said.
For example, an estate may have more three-room Housing Board flats, more of whose residents may fail to pay their S&CC on time. This would pull the town council's grade in this area down.
Instead of a simplistic across-town comparison, the spokesman said, the results should be used to track the individual performance of each town council over time.
The assessment has already spurred at least one town council to make improvements.
Potong Pasir received the only Level 5 rating handed out on the failure rate of devices that get lifts to the nearest floors in a power failure - one of two indicators in the area of lift performance.
But even before the report came out, the council had replaced all malfunctioning devices, said the MND spokesman.
One area that almost all town councils scored Level 3 or worse on was estate maintenance, which captures factors such as the condition of fixtures and the obstruction of common HDB areas.
Only Ang Mo Kio-Yio Chu Kang Town Council rated a Level 2 in this area.
The MND spokesman noted that estate maintenance was affected not just by a town council's work, but also the actions of residents, some of who may tamper with public property or behave irresponsibly.
I dont live at hougang n potong pasir, so i shall not comment, but this year when our LKW come to do annual tree planting in Tiong Pager ward, i m say the area is nicely touched up. plant nice nice trees and flowers. Nicely done up. thumbs up from me.
BTW i dont wanna go into political debate. Just wanna check on property prices n want to ask for assitance to clear my doubts.
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By Low Wei Xiang
THE report card is out for the 16 here - and the two opposition- run ones, Potong Pasir and Hougang, did not fare well.
The Ministry of National Development's (MND) first biannual Town Council Management Report covers six indicators across four key areas: Estate cleanliness, estate maintenance, lift performance and arrears on service and conservancy charges (S&CC).
http://forums.condosingapore.com/ (http://ad.doubleclick.net/click%3Bh%3Dv8/3ac1/3/0/%2a/g%3B225662813%3B0-0%3B2%3B39581935%3B4307-300/250%3B37105020/37122898/1%3B%3B%7Esscs%3D%3fhttp://photobank.com.sg/home.html)http://s0.2mdn.net/viewad/817-grey.gif (http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;h=v8/3ac1/0/0/%2a/a;44306;0-0;0;39581935;1141-10/10;0/0/0;;%7Esscs=%3f)From last October to March this year, 10 Housing Board inspectors helped assess the town councils, with each indicator graded from Level 1 - the best - to Level 5.
Potong Pasir scored Level 5 on four indicators, while Hougang scored two Level 5s and one Level 4. The People's Action Party wards received a Level 3 or better on all indicators. Tanjong Pagar town council did best, scoring Level 1 for all indicators except one.
Both opposition town councils did not respond to e-mail queries at press time.
An MND spokesman said the report serves two purposes.
First, it provides feedback to residents on the performance of town councils. Second, residents can use the findings to discuss improvements with their town councils.
However, the spokesman advised against using the report to compare town councils' performance directly. Each town operates under unique circumstances, such as having different types of residents and properties, he said.
For example, an estate may have more three-room Housing Board flats, more of whose residents may fail to pay their S&CC on time. This would pull the town council's grade in this area down.
Instead of a simplistic across-town comparison, the spokesman said, the results should be used to track the individual performance of each town council over time.
The assessment has already spurred at least one town council to make improvements.
Potong Pasir received the only Level 5 rating handed out on the failure rate of devices that get lifts to the nearest floors in a power failure - one of two indicators in the area of lift performance.
But even before the report came out, the council had replaced all malfunctioning devices, said the MND spokesman.
One area that almost all town councils scored Level 3 or worse on was estate maintenance, which captures factors such as the condition of fixtures and the obstruction of common HDB areas.
Only Ang Mo Kio-Yio Chu Kang Town Council rated a Level 2 in this area.
The MND spokesman noted that estate maintenance was affected not just by a town council's work, but also the actions of residents, some of who may tamper with public property or behave irresponsibly.
I dont live at hougang n potong pasir, so i shall not comment, but this year when our LKW come to do annual tree planting in Tiong Pager ward, i m say the area is nicely touched up. plant nice nice trees and flowers. Nicely done up. thumbs up from me.
BTW i dont wanna go into political debate. Just wanna check on property prices n want to ask for assitance to clear my doubts.
Come on, surely you are smarter than this biased and self-praised report.
This is conducted by Mah Bow Tan's ministry, surely you do not expect PAP to give good grades to their competitors.
The top 3 areas belong to MM Lee, SM Goh and PM Lee. PAP hierarchy apparently decides the results.
Many blogs and forums already debunk this report as biased, fake and laughable.
Only shallow people will accept the results like this. PAP conducted a study about themselves and competitors and decided they are the best.
Besides, 11 PAP Town Councils lost millions during Minibond crisis was not mentioned. This report above have no credibility.
This is not a study, it is a sales advertisement.
You should ask why are taxpayer's money used to conduct such contradictory and conflict-of-interests study.
Here is something with real statistics.
http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/opposition-wards-achieve-more-with-less/
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2843215
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3105519
Opposition wards achieve more with less (http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/07/opposition-wards-achieve-more-with-less/)
By Gerald Giam
The Straits Times carried a commentary (http://www.transitioning.org/2010/07/03/perception-of-bias-dents-town-council-reports-credibility/) by one of its journalists today criticizing the Government’s handling of the Town Council Management Report (TCMR).
The journalist gave the Government “at best an E -” grade for “effort”. In other words, the Government failed miserably. (In the ‘O’ levels, a ‘D’ is already a failing grade.)
My 13 June blog post, Underwhelmed by town council report (http://geraldgiam.sg/2010/06/underwhelmed-by-town-council-report/), was quoted in the ST article:
Workers’ Party member Gerald Giam wrote on his blog: ‘Why does the MND suddenly feel the urge to tell residents what they should think of their town councils, and by extension, their MPs?
‘Residents are personally affected by their town council’s performance. If they feel that their MPs are not performing, they would have voted them out long ago.’
– “Perception of bias dents report’s credibility”, Straits Times, 3 July 2010.
Accompanying the ST article were two charts derived from the town council annual reports and the Government Budget Book.
The first one compared the government grants for all 16 town councils:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m173/multiplex77/TownCouncilGrants_ST_3Jul10.jpg
It’s a no-brainer to identify the two opposition wards, Hougang and Potong Pasir. Their grants are dwarfed by the other town councils.
Even taking into account the smaller size of their wards, the opposition wards still receive far less per resident.
Notice in the diagram that the two opposition wards are given no funds at all for “town improvements” via Community Improvement Programme (CIP), whereas all the PAP wards have generous amounts of CIP funds lavished on them.
These are channelled through the Citizens’ Consultative Committees (CCCs), another taxpayer-funded grassroot (http://geraldgiam.sg/2009/10/how-pap-uses-taxpayer-funded-grassroots-for-political-gain/) outfit widely recognised as being aligned to the PAP.
Let’s take a look at the next table:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m173/multiplex77/NationalUpgradingFigures_ST_3Jul10.jpg
This is another jaw-dropper. In total since the last election in 2006, the Government has splurged almost $3 billion on various “national” upgrading programmes. As far as I am aware, none of these funds are shared with opposition wards.
This is pork barrel politics at its worst. (Wikipedia defines pork barrel politics as “spending that is intended to benefit constituents of a politician in return for their political support”.)
Where are the “slums”?
Given this obscene disparity in funding, one would expect Hougang and Potong Pasir to be real dumps compared to PAP wards. (Goh Chok Tong predicted on the eve of the 1997 polls that they would become “slums”.)
However, this is clearly not the case. Even the Straits Times, referencing the town council report, acknowledged that “the opposition councils were…on a par with their PAP peers on most other indicators, such as cleanliness and lift performance“.
(Keep in mind that the town council report very conveniently excluded management of sinking funds as a measure of the town councils’ performance. This is an area that most of the PAP town councils would have fared very poorly in, but one in which opposition wards would have excelled.)
In fact, even putting aside the facts and figures, Singaporeans living in other wards should take a trip down to Potong Pasir or Hougang to see those wards for themselves.
While there is an absence of outlandish sculptures or expensive artificial landmarks like those found in some PAP wards, the improvements that genuinely benefit residents have been made.
For example, in Potong Pasir, the town council headed by Chiam See Tong built a walkway linking the MRT station to the housing estate, all from its own funds.
Hougang MP Low Thia Khiang used $500,000 of his town council’s funds to upgrade the lifts in several blocks on Hougang Avenue 3 and 7.
This is unheard of in PAP wards. PAP town councils have to co-pay a mere fraction of the lift upgrading costs, with the bulk of it being borne by the Government.
(In another sickening act, just seven years later, the HDB demolished those upgraded blocks, while refusing to reimburse Hougang Town Council the costs for the unexpired cyclical period.)
Blocks in Hougang have also been spruced up and renovated, to the extent that some of the lift lobbies look almost like those in private condos. An example is shown in this photo below that was taken from the Straits Times today.
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m173/multiplex77/HougangFlat_ST_3Jul10.jpg
Ultimately, the best judges of the town councils’ performance are residents themselves.
Chiam See Tong has been re-elected five times and Low Thia Khiang has been re-elected three times since they first won their seats in 1984 and 1991 respectively. Chiam has been in office longer than any other PAP backbencher.
All this is proof that the two opposition town councils have done exceptionally well, even with less funding and a host of factors stacked against them.
Residents in PAP wards should talk to their friends and family in Hougang and Potong Pasir and discover for themselves that decent opposition politicians can do a good job in running their wards, if given the opportunity.
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If this thread is to frighten and mislead Singaporeans to vote PAP because of property, you have underestimated Singaporeans.
Singaporeans are much smarter and less shallow these years unless Singapore education system is a failure.
Using old tricks like property is self-defeating.
In fact property is PAP's greatest headache now because of the low supply and high prices.
Many younger generation I know are voting against PAP due to property. The debts are mounting.
Mah Bow Tan's dishing out policies like toilet paper with short lead time and in a flurry with little consideration.
How many Singaporeans have enough funds to endure this up-down roller coaster ride from inconsiderate government policies.
I dont live at hougang n potong pasir, so i shall not comment, but this year when our LKW come to do annual tree planting in Tiong Pager ward, i m say the area is nicely touched up. plant nice nice trees and flowers. Nicely done up. thumbs up from me.
BTW i dont wanna go into political debate. Just wanna check on property prices n want to ask for assitance to clear my doubts.
Surely, you are not going just vote for a nice landscaping, some trees and flowers, lifts, void decks , playgrounds etc.
Your vote is much more valuable than that.
I do not need to hire PAP to help me plant trees and flowers and do landscaping, any opposition can hire contractor to do that too.
In fact I don't expect politicians to be fussing over flowers, plants, lifts, playgrounds etc, each town council have a group of professional estate managers to do that like condominium Management Committee.
I only vote for policies.
I do not vote for parties, not landscapes, not lifts, not void decks and not playgrounds.
Besides, some facilities are manage by government agencies like URA, HDB, LTA etc , not Town Councils so your vote cannot do much too.
Whatever you vote, these agencies still must serve entire Singapore.
All areas will be contested. No walkovers.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=45101.1
Should be this link
http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages?msg=45390.1
i would like more alternative voices in parliament that really 'speak' up.. so i know who im voting for..
First one in potong pasir
Meya Lodge
Meya Lodge is a freehold condominium development located at 23, Meyappa Chettiar Road (S)358463 in District 09 near Potong Pasir MRT station. Completed in 2005, it comprises 12 units. It is located in the vicinity of Potong Pasir Mrt and Intero Condominium.
Condo Facilities at Meya Lodge
Meya Lodge has full condo facilities which include carparking and 24-hr security.
Condo Amenities near Meya Lodge
Meya Lodge is located just minutes drive away from Toa Payoh Hub, where a host of amenities are readily available, such as retail outlets, supermarkets, restaurants and eating establishments, banks, cinemas, library and other entertainment facilities.
There are schools located in the vicinity, such as St. Andrew’s Secondary and St. Andrew’s Junior. Recreational facilities nearby include the Aljunied Park and Kallang Basin Swimming Complex which is just a short drive away.
For vehicle owners, travelling to the business hub from Meya Lodge takes just above 15 minutes, via Serangoon Road.
Development Name:Meya Lodge Property Type:Apartment Developer:Siem Development Pte Ltd Tenure:Freehold Completion Year:2005 # of Floors:7 # of Units:12
Latest Recorded Transaction(s) - October 2009 Average psf: S$ 699 Lowest psf: S$ 699 Transactions: 1 Highest psf: S$ 699
anyone can get information on transcations?
Surely, you are not going just vote for a nice landscaping, some trees and flowers, lifts, void decks , playgrounds etc.
Your vote is much more valuable than that.
I do not need to hire PAP to help me plant trees and flowers and do landscaping, any opposition can hire contractor to do that too.
In fact I don't expect politicians to be fussing over flowers, plants, lifts, playgrounds etc, each town council have a group of professional estate managers to do that like condominium Management Committee.
I only vote for policies.
I do not vote for parties, not landscapes, not lifts, not void decks and not playgrounds.
Besides, some facilities are manage by government agencies like URA, HDB, LTA etc , not Town Councils so your vote cannot do much too.
Whatever you vote, these agencies still must serve entire Singapore.
Not going into politics discussion n stuff, just wanna know abt the property situation over there. Maybe got good investment opportunities.
First one in potong pasir
Meya Lodge
Meya Lodge is a freehold condominium development located at 23, Meyappa Chettiar Road (S)358463 in District 09 near Potong Pasir MRT station. Completed in 2005, it comprises 12 units. It is located in the vicinity of Potong Pasir Mrt and Intero Condominium.
Condo Facilities at Meya Lodge
Meya Lodge has full condo facilities which include carparking and 24-hr security.
Condo Amenities near Meya Lodge
Meya Lodge is located just minutes drive away from Toa Payoh Hub, where a host of amenities are readily available, such as retail outlets, supermarkets, restaurants and eating establishments, banks, cinemas, library and other entertainment facilities.
There are schools located in the vicinity, such as St. Andrew’s Secondary and St. Andrew’s Junior. Recreational facilities nearby include the Aljunied Park and Kallang Basin Swimming Complex which is just a short drive away.
For vehicle owners, travelling to the business hub from Meya Lodge takes just above 15 minutes, via Serangoon Road.
Development Name:Meya Lodge Property Type:Apartment Developer:Siem Development Pte Ltd Tenure:Freehold Completion Year:2005 # of Floors:7 # of Units:12
Latest Recorded Transaction(s) - October 2009 Average psf: S$ 699 Lowest psf: S$ 699 Transactions: 1 Highest psf: S$ 699
anyone can get information on transcations?
Do you know Toa Payoh Lorong 8 belongs to Chiam See Tong's Potong Pasir area and areas in Serangoon belongs to Marine Parade GRC ?
The above condominium may not belong to Potong Pasir even if near the PP MRT.
Better check the new election boundaries first and maybe you can check out Nin Residences too.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3121494
Major changes to electoral boundaries
2nd one
Parc Aston is a freehold apartment development located at 2 Leicester Road, Singapore 358831, in District 13, minutes walk to Potong Pasir MRT Station. Completed in 2011, it comprises 16 units. Parc Aston is close to PH Bro Driving Range and United Medical Centre.
Condo Facilities at Parc Aston
Facilities at Parc Aston include swimming pool and Jacuzzi.
Condo Amenities near Parc Aston
Several bus services are available near Parc Aston. Several local and international schools are located in the vicinity, including the prestigious Cedar Girls’ Secondary School and Curtin University of Technology.
Residents can find numerous restaurants and eating establishments all located a short walk or drive away from the development and can purchase daily necessities at the nearby Geylang Bahru Food and Market Centre or neighbouring estate supermarkets.
For vehicle owners, it takes 10 - 15 minutes to drive from Parc Aston to the Central Business District (CBD) or the vibrant Orchard Road shopping belt, via Central Expressway.
Development Name:Parc Aston Property Type:Apartment Developer:Whye Wah Development and Construction Pte Ltd Tenure:Freehold Expected Completion:2011 # of Units:16
Historic Transaction Price Summary
Latest Recorded Transaction(s) - May 2010 Average psf: S$ 915 Lowest psf: S$ 915 Transactions: 1 Highest psf: S$ 915
If you read the Blossoms@Woodleigh, 8@Woodleigh and Woodsville 28, you will note that there is an expected air of optimism about Potong Pasir area and the condos around the MRT once Chiam See Tong's wife is voted out of there, once the American School opens, once Woodleigh station opens as expected and after all the numerous plots of vacant land around the two MRT stations are developed.
If you do a straight line distance analysis of Potong Pasir to the city centre or count the number of MRT stops to town, u will realise that Potong Pasir area is way under valued...at the moment.
Most people buying condos do not consider political party in their buying decision. Optimism from the woodleigh area stands out because of the upcoming SAIS..., ease to rent to expats....Nd next to MRT station that is scheduled to open soon
But for HDB resale buyers, political party in charge of the ward may affect their decision, as upgrading priority,etc maybe lowest priority in opposition wards
didn't PAP town councils lost millions of their reserves in financial products during the financial crisis? the losses will eventually be recovered from who else but the residents :o
I'm a very practical and realistic person.
To say opposition has no effects on prices of properties, especially HDBs, under their care, is just totally naive.
Most people buying condos do not consider political party in their buying decision. Optimism from the woodleigh area stands out because of the upcoming SAIS..., ease to rent to expats....Nd next to MRT station that is scheduled to open soon
But for HDB resale buyers, political party in charge of the ward may affect their decision, as upgrading priority,etc maybe lowest priority in opposition wards
do u happen to live in this area? Kudos to Chiam See Tong for maintaining Potong Pasir but let's be realistic about the valuation for a condo in a opposition ward...the potential for appreciation would definitely be higher if it was a PAP ward.
HDB is responsible for all flats in Singapore including HDB car parks.
I think your colleagues are using misleading words.
Flats in Potong Pasir and Hougang are much more expensive than other PAP areas like Sembawang, Jurong, Pasir Ris,Ang Mo Kio etc.
You can check propertyguru. It is all about location.
For HDB, transport, location, amenities are more important.
For private is facilities, location, quality are more important.
Location means everything for property, not politics.
I suppose we are talking about Town Councils that are responsible for proper maintenance for the estate. Those under opposition's charge are Potong Pasir and Hougang SMC.
do u happen to live in this area? Kudos to Chiam See Tong for maintaining Potong Pasir but let's be realistic about the valuation for a condo in a opposition ward...the potential for appreciation would definitely be higher if it was a PAP ward.I don't but have a good friend who stay there since DAY 1 when HDB flats were built there. Yes, take my hat off to the old man, his track record there is 2nd to none, heard from my friend most of HDB residents respect him and die die vote for him, only way for PAP to win votes are those younger families who bought resale....and condo owners
do u happen to live in this area? Kudos to Chiam See Tong for maintaining Potong Pasir but let's be realistic about the valuation for a condo in a opposition ward...the potential for appreciation would definitely be higher if it was a PAP ward.
Please show some statistics or else do not spread fear-mongering and urban legends.
The potential you mention is hypothetical.
Base on your logic, if PAP lose power one day, their areas also undervalued and suddenly WP areas are fairly valued ??
Nonsense, there is no data linking property to politics yet.
Go and check HDB website and Propertyguru for prices.
From propertyguru website you can see flats in Potong Pasir and Hougang are more expensive than PAP areas.
For private housing, politics have no bearing at all. Only location does.
Mah admits he was caught off guard and government can artificially dampen prices but did not.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3125817
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gRokzgjoVA&feature=player_embedded
I suppose we are talking about Town Councils that are responsible for proper maintenance for the estate. Those under opposition's charge are Potong Pasir and Hougang SMC.
Town Councils are not really empowered to do much.
They are the same as condominiums Management Committees looking after rubbish, maintenance of the areas etc.
They need to work with relevant government agencies like HDB to solve issues and hire contractors.
For HDB parking fines, you see your fine details at HDB websites and not town council websites. The money goes to HDB.
For fogging, NEA did a mass fogging of hotspots areas during dengue crisis when Singaporeans started dying.
Town councils can chip in with additional fogging on top what NEA suppose to do.
Town Council , like condo Management Committee cannot influence prices of housing, only the main landlord can which is HDB.
HDB suppose to serve all Singapore and not just PAP areas unless the government of the day play punk which will be a scandal.
If you read the Blossoms@Woodleigh, 8@Woodleigh and Woodsville 28, you will note that there is an expected air of optimism about Potong Pasir area and the condos around the MRT once Chiam See Tong's wife is voted out of there, once the American School opens, once Woodleigh station opens as expected and after all the numerous plots of vacant land around the two MRT stations are developed.
If you do a straight line distance analysis of Potong Pasir to the city centre or count the number of MRT stops to town, u will realise that Potong Pasir area is way under valued...at the moment.
You are working as fortune-teller ??
What makes you think Lina Chiam cannot be good MP especially after helping her husband for 27 years in Potong Pasir ??
Base on your logic, so you saying all the new fresh PAP MPs for every election are also crap ??
What makes you connect the optimism at Potong Pasir to a change of guard ??
You saying when PM Lee became PM, he was crap because he never be PM before ??
Woodleigh condos you mentioned are bidded by optimism of Developers some years back when government released land there.
It was a buoyant property climate , not politics that make developers bid those condos. Again, it is location.
What optimism can also link to CST and Lina ??
You mean Developers hired you as fortune-teller back then knowing Lina Chiam will take over Chiam See Tong so that he can cheong GRC and give Singaporeans a chance to get a GRC for Opposition ??
No matter who is MP, URA must still develop those areas you mention because location is good. It is URA's job.
Besides the Woodleigh MRT remains closed because MRT said it is business decision as there are more dead people (Mount Vernon) than living people in that area to make a profit form that station.
The same reason why Punggol MRT was closed for a few years even though it was PAP area and residents there were protesting.
Do not spread nonsense, fear mongering and urban legends here. Singaporeans are smarter than that.
Again, let's not go into politics. Just pure hard facts, psf, location n amenities
Regulators
06-03-11, 13:24
Are you telling us that valuatns of hougang hdb flats tend to be lower compared to other hdb estates in the suburbs bcoz of opposition? I think that is naive.
I'm a very practical and realistic person.
To say opposition has no effects on prices of properties, especially HDBs, under their care, is just totally naive.
Regulators
06-03-11, 13:35
A lot of people in this forum already kenna brainwashed until gahmen throw them peanuts and they think they are pearls. All those upgrading of estates is something that even an uneducated person can think of, no need to spend millions getting scholar mps to think it up.
Surely, you are not going just vote for a nice landscaping, some trees and flowers, lifts, void decks , playgrounds etc.
Your vote is much more valuable than that.
I do not need to hire PAP to help me plant trees and flowers and do landscaping, any opposition can hire contractor to do that too.
In fact I don't expect politicians to be fussing over flowers, plants, lifts, playgrounds etc, each town council have a group of professional estate managers to do that like condominium Management Committee.
I only vote for policies.
I do not vote for parties, not landscapes, not lifts, not void decks and not playgrounds.
Besides, some facilities are manage by government agencies like URA, HDB, LTA etc , not Town Councils so your vote cannot do much too.
Whatever you vote, these agencies still must serve entire Singapore.
Wild Falcon
06-03-11, 15:11
I actually think PAP spend the most effort trying to win back those opposition wards and those wards that almost lost to opposition like Aljunied. I don't think there is any difference in price - not for private condos anyway. Those areas that PAP tend to ignore are those they win by a big margin, like Bukit Panjang and Choa Chu Kang. These places are totally neglected because they take the voters for granted.
I notice a certain trend in this forum. Those very pro CCR are also very pro establishment because they always think of only ONE thing, property value. Life is more than just ensuring the value of your property keeps going up lah. I don't think it is a key factor in the buying decision any way.
Most people buying condos do not consider political party in their buying decision. Optimism from the woodleigh area stands out because of the upcoming SAIS..., ease to rent to expats....Nd next to MRT station that is scheduled to open soon
But for HDB resale buyers, political party in charge of the ward may affect their decision, as upgrading priority,etc maybe lowest priority in opposition wards
Please show some statistics or else do not spread fear-mongering and urban legends.
The potential you mention is hypothetical.
Base on your logic, if PAP lose power one day, their areas also undervalued and suddenly WP areas are fairly valued ??
Nonsense, there is no data linking property to politics yet.
Go and check HDB website and Propertyguru for prices.
From propertyguru website you can see flats in Potong Pasir and Hougang are more expensive than PAP areas.
For private housing, politics have no bearing at all. Only location does.
Mah admits he was caught off guard and government can artificially dampen prices but did not.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3125817
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gRokzgjoVA&feature=player_embedded
which hdb areas are you comparing with for value? U want to try comparing to bishan or boon keng hdb areas? Potong pasir is even nearer to town than bishan or toa payoh. Prices in potong pasir are depressed specifically because the area there is not as well maintained as pap areas.
You want to talk facts? I have stayed there for more 15 years...in two different HDB blocks in potong pasir, in a landed property and i just bought a condo there. My relatives stayed there from day one...they support chiam see tong not because their blocks are well maintained but because they have their pride. They do not like the previous PAP tactics of not opening the MRT stationss etc but they do realise that there is a price to pay for not voting the PAP in. Don't be naive.
the place is convenient because it is near town but the hdb areas suffer...it takes longer to paint the blocks, there are no enbloc for the area (even though all the blocks are beyond 20 years old...the facts are figures above in this thread show that per capita, there is less $ spent on potong pasir. If there is less spent in potong pasir per capita, of course it will less well maintained that a pap ward like bishan and of course the value is depressed.
Thank you spikey. For speaking out loud the obvious. :cool:
And wenqing, please, channel your political energy somewhere else, like hardwarezone ? You cannot have a meaningful discussion on pty without bringing politics into it. Sorry but I dun need your enlightenment. It's irritating. Even talking about interest rate can get you into politics :cool:
which hdb areas are you comparing with for value? U want to try comparing to bishan or boon keng hdb areas? Potong pasir is even nearer to town than bishan or toa payoh. Prices in potong pasir are depressed specifically because the area there is not as well maintained as pap areas.
You want to talk facts? I have stayed there for more 15 years...in two different HDB blocks in potong pasir, in a landed property and i just bought a condo there. My relatives stayed there from day one...they support chiam see tong not because their blocks are well maintained but because they have their pride. They do not like the previous PAP tactics of not opening the MRT stationss etc but they do realise that there is a price to pay for not voting the PAP in. Don't be naive.
the place is convenient because it is near town but the hdb areas suffer...it takes longer to paint the blocks, there are no enbloc for the area (even though all the blocks are beyond 20 years old...the facts are figures above in this thread show that per capita, there is less $ spent on potong pasir. If there is less spent in potong pasir per capita, of course it will less well maintained that a pap ward like bishan and of course the value is depressed.
Many 30 years old HDB flats all over Singapore are not enbloc yet, not just Potong Pasir.
My grandfather's flat is 40 years old in Toa Payoh, still not enbloc.
You stay there may not mean you got the facts right.
PAP areas = Well Maintain
Opposition areas = Not Well Maintain
Such logic is too shallow and too assuming. You lumping everything together.
Did you ever see flats in Ang Mo Kio, Toa Payoh, Pasir Ris and Jurong where rubbish and empty boxes are everywhere at lift lobbies, paint peeling off and the lift only allow 1.5 person to exit before closing ??
Those are really not well maintain but does not mean all PAP areas are not well maintain.
I already said politics and property got no link because location is the key. So you are agreeing with me location is key ?
When you compare flats in the same areas, of course there are differences in pricing but does not mean opposition is the reason.
Between PAP areas like Toa Payoh and Bishan, flats are also priced differently so you saying some PAP MPs are competent, some are incompetent ??
If HDB flats are old, then it is HDB's negligence, nothing to do with opposition.
People buy HDB flats base on subjective reasons, how can you push everything to opposition alone ??
People buy Potong Pasir because it is not crowded, not jam, quiet, peaceful, flats are especially much bigger than elsewhere, lower conservancy fees etc.
Some people buy flats at Geylang for the complete opposite.
Chiam was there for 27 years, there must be good reasons for it.
You cannot blame opposition for everything because HDB has a stake and is responsible for the flats as well.
Thank you spikey. For speaking out loud the obvious. :cool:
And wenqing, please, channel your political energy somewhere else, like hardwarezone ? You cannot have a meaningful discussion on pty without bringing politics into it. Sorry but I dun need your enlightenment. It's irritating. Even talking about interest rate can get you into politics :cool:
AMK, you lean towards PAP is your right and do not like urban legends being exposed is your duty but you have to accept everything links back to politics one way or another.
Besides I am responding to baseless assumptions and posts which I think I got the right to paint the other side of the picture.
Nobody is right or wrong at forums. You just need to say your piece.
I did not start anything nor this thread but this thread is about Opposition, maybe you should direct your statement to TS instead.
Wild Falcon
06-03-11, 19:03
Life is not about property value all the time lah. Just vote for the party that u would like to represent you. And quality of life and freedom of expression is more than just property value right? Imagine everyone only think of property value like AMK, then the incumbent will forever slam dunk and win every single ward in every election. 100% win. Clearly, every country will gain from diversity of views. just like this forum. imagine everyone only one track mind, only buy CCR, only vote for incumbent etc, then very boring lor. Anyway, this is NOT a political forum. If one wants to think that vote PAP means property value goes up and therefore must vote PAP, so be it. I think over the years, the fear has indeed permeated every part of the society.
which hdb areas are you comparing with for value? U want to try comparing to bishan or boon keng hdb areas? Potong pasir is even nearer to town than bishan or toa payoh. Prices in potong pasir are depressed specifically because the area there is not as well maintained as pap areas.
You want to talk facts? I have stayed there for more 15 years...in two different HDB blocks in potong pasir, in a landed property and i just bought a condo there. My relatives stayed there from day one...they support chiam see tong not because their blocks are well maintained but because they have their pride. They do not like the previous PAP tactics of not opening the MRT stationss etc but they do realise that there is a price to pay for not voting the PAP in. Don't be naive.
the place is convenient because it is near town but the hdb areas suffer...it takes longer to paint the blocks, there are no enbloc for the area (even though all the blocks are beyond 20 years old...the facts are figures above in this thread show that per capita, there is less $ spent on potong pasir. If there is less spent in potong pasir per capita, of course it will less well maintained that a pap ward like bishan and of course the value is depressed.
i thought those in Oppo wards are paying lesser conservancy fees right?
i also dont see how HG and PP are any less well maintained that PAP wards.
End of day people have to ask themselves are they over paying, if so that's not value. PAP wards even lost your reserves in investments. So the facts are undeniable.
btw 20 years old HDB get SERS? i dont think so.
i thought those in Oppo wards are paying lesser conservancy fees right?
i also dont see how HG and PP are any less well maintained that PAP wards.
End of day people have to ask themselves are they over paying, if so that's not value. PAP wards even lost your reserves in investments. So the facts are undeniable.
btw 20 years old HDB get SERS? i dont think so.
i said beyond 20 years la...SERS is for beyond 20 years right? Do you live in an opposition ward?
Many 30 years old HDB flats all over Singapore are not enbloc yet, not just Potong Pasir.
My grandfather's flat is 40 years old in Toa Payoh, still not enbloc.
You stay there may not mean you got the facts right.
PAP areas = Well Maintain
Opposition areas = Not Well Maintain
Such logic is too shallow and too assuming. You lumping everything together.
Did you ever see flats in Ang Mo Kio, Toa Payoh, Pasir Ris and Jurong where rubbish and empty boxes are everywhere at lift lobbies, paint peeling off and the lift only allow 1.5 person to exit before closing ??
Those are really not well maintain but does not mean all PAP areas are not well maintain.
I already said politics and property got no link because location is the key. So you are agreeing with me location is key ?
When you compare flats in the same areas, of course there are differences in pricing but does not mean opposition is the reason.
Between PAP areas like Toa Payoh and Bishan, flats are also priced differently so you saying some PAP MPs are competent, some are incompetent ??
If HDB flats are old, then it is HDB's negligence, nothing to do with opposition.
People buy HDB flats base on subjective reasons, how can you push everything to opposition alone ??
People buy Potong Pasir because it is not crowded, not jam, quiet, peaceful, flats are especially much bigger than elsewhere, lower conservancy fees etc.
Some people buy flats at Geylang for the complete opposite.
Chiam was there for 27 years, there must be good reasons for it.
You cannot blame opposition for everything because HDB has a stake and is responsible for the flats as well.
Don't put words into my mouth la and don't generalise what i say. I stayed in potong pasir. My relatives stayed in potong pasir. I don't care what happens in hougang or other opposition wards. The maintenance in potong pasir is second rate. I am only talking about potong pasir and not other opposition wards. Low TK may be doing a good job....good for him but the state of affairs in Potong Pasir, especially for the HDB flats is obvious. Why don't you go for a walk there, into the lifts, check the ratio of playgrounds to hdb flats, analyse the quality of the amenities there and then we'll talk.
I said NONE of the flats in potong pasir have been chosen for enbloc...show me a PAP estate where the flats are beyond 20 years old where there is zero enbloc.
Of course location is the key. Do your research and don't be naive. When PAP takes over Potong Pasir (if they succeed in beating CST's wife), you will see how the values there have been depressed. Find me a city fringe area where you can get yet to TOP condos at 1100 psf. Potong Pasir is an unpolished gem!
Look my political conviction has nothing to do with my view on the market, so please do not infer from a simple statement.
Diversity of views are welcome. But this is a property, business forum. Not a political one. You are welcome to criticize CCR, OCR, or MBT, no problem.
PAP this, PAP that, sorry, please go to hardwarezone. This is simply not the place.
If some one takes on every opportunity to fan a political sentiment, the objective is clear. This is not welcome. I repeat, no one needs your enlightenment.
A lot of people in this forum already kenna brainwashed until gahmen throw them peanuts and they think they are pearls. All those upgrading of estates is something that even an uneducated person can think of, no need to spend millions getting scholar mps to think it up.
not only this forum. Most hdb dwellers low income, high income also la
Look my political conviction has nothing to do with my view on the market, so please do not infer from a simple statement.
Diversity of views are welcome. But this is a property, business forum. Not a political one. You are welcome to criticize CCR, OCR, or MBT, no problem.
PAP this, PAP that, sorry, please go to hardwarezone. This is simply not the place.
If some one takes on every opportunity to fan a political sentiment, the objective is clear. This is not welcome. I repeat, no one needs your enlightenment.
So Opposition this and that can, while PAP this and that cannot ??
Only people in favour in of PAP is right ??
This is your 'diversity of views' ??
This thread is about how politics/Opposition affect property value.
Some people here argue For, some argue Against, it is normal.
I said my piece to defend against some baseless assumptions, I do not see what is wrong with that.
Maybe you should skip this thread since you have no interest.
Don't put words into my mouth la and don't generalise what i say. I stayed in potong pasir. My relatives stayed in potong pasir. I don't care what happens in hougang or other opposition wards. The maintenance in potong pasir is second rate. I am only talking about potong pasir and not other opposition wards. Low TK may be doing a good job....good for him but the state of affairs in Potong Pasir, especially for the HDB flats is obvious. Why don't you go for a walk there, into the lifts, check the ratio of playgrounds to hdb flats, analyse the quality of the amenities there and then we'll talk.
I said NONE of the flats in potong pasir have been chosen for enbloc...show me a PAP estate where the flats are beyond 20 years old where there is zero enbloc.
Of course location is the key. Do your research and don't be naive. When PAP takes over Potong Pasir (if they succeed in beating CST's wife), you will see how the values there have been depressed. Find me a city fringe area where you can get yet to TOP condos at 1100 psf. Potong Pasir is an unpolished gem!
WHy dont you check Nin Residences PSF ?
First you generalise say all Opposition areas have low property value, then I ask you check HDB and Propertyguru website, then you got nothing to say.
Next, you say all Opposition areas not well maintained, then I refute you, then you change to PP alone.
I dont know how to engage you when you twist and turn so much.
You should be complaining to HDB and about Mah Bow Tan not doing its job.
Maybe you can email HDB and Mah why no SERs in PP, why no playground at PP, you can email URA why no town planning and this and that etc.
Since SERs is so important to you, you should ask HDB instead of pointing finger at Opposition and nothing gets done.
All these are under HDB radar, not Chiam.
Chiam was voted to represent PP at Parliament, not to build his own little town and kingdom at PP.
All the hardware stuff should direct to the right people. The wonder your issues were never solved. You have been barking up the wrong tree.
All these little complaints, people at PAP areas like Punggol, Sengkang, Fernvale, Anchorvale, CCK, Pasir Ris also endured before and some are still enduring.
Punggol 21 almost 15 years still more or less the same.
Your complaints are not restricted to PP area alone and people like Punggol also do not like being held to ransom if national agencies are not working hard enough.
Whatever PP lack is the exact reason people bought PP flats for.
You want shopping centres, cinemas and this and that, try Tampines, Geylang, Ang Mo Kio.
Look my political conviction has nothing to do with my view on the market, so please do not infer from a simple statement.
Diversity of views are welcome. But this is a property, business forum. Not a political one. You are welcome to criticize CCR, OCR, or MBT, no problem.
PAP this, PAP that, sorry, please go to hardwarezone. This is simply not the place.
If some one takes on every opportunity to fan a political sentiment, the objective is clear. This is not welcome. I repeat, no one needs your enlightenment.
look, be fair
surely u know the pap controlled media takes every opportunity to fan a certain political sentiment, so do u go tell them it is not welcome. :D
i think fellow forumers pointed out rightly.. its amenities n location that dictate buyers.. it is the simplest n most basic of factors that make u wana buy a particular property.. staying near parents, near workplace, or simply liking the surroundings there..
i like PP as it feels like being tucked away in a corner on its own.. i like hougang too.. as it has plenty good food n it somewhat doesn't look or feel the same as other estates, which make it unique..
anyway, the title of this thread started with linking property n opp parties.. so bringing in politics is quite alright..
i must say, after reading the link fellow forumer gave.. im quite impressed with LTK and CST for their excellent work in their ward despite limited funds n many many obstacles..
n the report from hdb is soooo sooooo skewed... haiz..
look, be fair
surely u know the pap controlled media takes every opportunity to fan a certain political sentiment, so do u go tell them it is not welcome. :D
Is there a pap chap here , in this place , and linking every discussion to politics ?
Almost all of his posts are politics themed. And the way he present them, is as if the whole world dun know this, he is the only one that knows this, and has a duty to educate you :cool: this is typical hardwarezone style, that's why I strongly advise him to express freely there.
Regulators
06-03-11, 22:26
media can also be used to brainwash simple minded ppl :doh: :doh:
look, be fair
surely u know the pap controlled media takes every opportunity to fan a certain political sentiment, so do u go tell them it is not welcome. :D
Guys , come on post some hard facts. Like done price, Psf average . Suggest properties we can look at.
Is there a pap chap here , in this place , and linking every discussion to politics ?
Almost all of his posts are politics themed. And the way he present them, is as if the whole world dun know this, he is the only one that knows this, and has a duty to educate you :cool: this is typical hardwarezone style, that's why I strongly advise him to express freely there.
why do u have a problem with him expressing views not favorable to the pap?
devilplate
07-03-11, 00:21
i got problem with wenqing aso leh.....bcoz wenqing tok like real but den he say he will contribute to a VOTE ONLY!!! and guess wat, wenqing may even vote for PAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he told me dun assume tat he will vote for opposition!!! :scared-1:
so can i assume tat ppl feels tat PAP CMI and got many many flaws....but den opposition cud even be worse so they still decide to vote for PAP?.....HAHA....:cheers6:
i got problem with wenqing aso leh.....bcoz wenqing tok like real but den he say he will contribute to a VOTE ONLY!!! and guess wat, wenqing may even vote for PAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he told me dun assume tat he will vote for opposition!!! :scared-1:
so can i assume tat ppl feels tat PAP CMI and got many many flaws....but den opposition cud even be worse so they still decide to vote for PAP?.....HAHA....:cheers6:
Form his posting i confirm assuming he will vote for opposition. If he really vote for PAP after everything he post.......... then MP in his area must have really earned his vote.
i got problem with wenqing aso leh.....bcoz wenqing tok like real but den he say he will contribute to a VOTE ONLY!!! and guess wat, wenqing may even vote for PAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he told me dun assume tat he will vote for opposition!!! :scared-1:
so can i assume tat ppl feels tat PAP CMI and got many many flaws....but den opposition cud even be worse so they still decide to vote for PAP?.....HAHA....:cheers6:
he got say this meh?
devilplate
07-03-11, 10:03
he got say this meh?
got la...u can ask him....i bicker wif him once lor....haha...i tink amk joined in the fun too?
he aso say....posting on the forum: the burden lies on the reader and not the writer.....he aso say agts/salesman can tok anything they like but burden lies on the buyer too....:scared-1: .....no wonder CEA goto step in:tongue3:
got la...u can ask him....i bicker wif him once lor....haha...i tink amk joined in the fun too?
he aso say....posting on the forum: the burden lies on the reader and not the writer.....he aso say agts/salesman can tok anything they like but burden lies on the buyer too....:scared-1: .....no wonder CEA goto step in:tongue3:
u cannot take things out of context :tsk-tsk:
specifically in this thread he made no such mention
devilplate
07-03-11, 10:36
u cannot take things out of context :tsk-tsk:
specifically in this thread he made no such mention
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=10832&page=9
for ur reading pleasure:cheers6:
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=10832&page=9
for ur reading pleasure:cheers6:
read it, u are out of context leh
devilplate
07-03-11, 10:51
read it, u are out of context leh
????
nvm la....
anyw, burden lies on the reader mah rite?
why do u have a problem with him expressing views not favorable to the pap?
august, u r a sensible guy, I can share with you. the reason I have a problem with him is simply this: he takes on every opportunity to drag a meaningful discussion into politics. sometimes he even created threads deliberately to invite political arguments. he enjoyed talkcock a lot. and really assumed everyone is brainwashed by PAP and he's a saint and had to educate you. And he's also fundamentally biased. No objective, mature, discussion is possible with him even in politics context. therefore I believe he is best served in hardwarezone. there are plenty of youngsters there to engage him. Polluting this forum with his endless political rant is simply annoying.
Toa Payoh blk 218 - 222 (Opp Ward) vs 225 - 228 (PAP Ward)
Both built 1976/78, 4 rm, 82 sqm. Price not much different.
august, u r a sensible guy, I can share with you. the reason I have a problem with him is simply this: he takes on every opportunity to drag a meaningful discussion into politics. sometimes he even created threads deliberately to invite political arguments. he enjoyed talkcock a lot. and really assumed everyone is brainwashed by PAP and he's a saint and had to educate you. And he's also fundamentally biased. No objective, mature, discussion is possible with him even in politics context. therefore I believe he is best served in hardwarezone. there are plenty of youngsters there to engage him. Polluting this forum with his endless political rant is simply annoying.
The thing is, if everybody is hardwarezone is anti-PAP, how to engage in meaningful discussion.
For example,
person A: PAP sucks.
persons B to Z: Agreed.
End of discussion.
It takes 2 hands to clap.
In condosingapore, have a lot of property owners, who are vested in Singapore, and have benefited from PAP policies.
So presumably most (with exception of Regulators, and a few others) are pro-PAP and hence Wenqing can have fertile ground for discussion.
Wild Falcon
07-03-11, 11:23
Good example. In all fairness to Wenqing, the thread wasn't even started by him. It was started by another person who wants to discuss about how opposition wards hamper property value. And then a bunch of posts about opposition wards property value sucks not exactly supported by a lot of real data. So I guess some come in to say maybe the impact is not material.
The older generation will always vote for the PAP. Those over-leveraged with multiple properties will also vote for PAP because their whole life center around their property value. But there will always be people who just wants greater diversity and care about the unfortunate more than their property values, and if bringing greater diversity means having to sacrifice a little on their property value, they don't mind.
Ultimately, this is not a political forum. But I think investing based PURELY on whether a ward is PAP or opposition is stupid.
Toa Payoh blk 218 - 222 (Opp Ward) vs 225 - 228 (PAP Ward)
Both built 1976/78, 4 rm, 82 sqm. Price not much different.
The thing is, if everybody is hardwarezone is anti-PAP, how to engage in meaningful discussion.
he doesn't need meaningful discussion. he needs cheerleading :cool: that's what hardwarezone is for. he will find it right at home :cool:
I just saw AK47 posted something positive. that's what TS wanted, and what a meaningful pty discussion is all about.
devilplate
07-03-11, 11:40
therefore I believe he is best served in hardwarezone. there are plenty of youngsters there to engage him. Polluting this forum with his endless political rant is simply annoying.
mabe tat forum no challenge for him....or no fun as nobody to argue/bicker etc...hehe
august, u r a sensible guy, I can share with you. the reason I have a problem with him is simply this: he takes on every opportunity to drag a meaningful discussion into politics. sometimes he even created threads deliberately to invite political arguments. he enjoyed talkcock a lot. and really assumed everyone is brainwashed by PAP and he's a saint and had to educate you. And he's also fundamentally biased. No objective, mature, discussion is possible with him even in politics context. therefore I believe he is best served in hardwarezone. there are plenty of youngsters there to engage him. Polluting this forum with his endless political rant is simply annoying.
i see where u coming from.
politics affect everything, including the property market.
i hardly think wenqing is ranting. if one disagrees with such views, one can either rebut or ignore. the reader always has a choice.
myself, over the years, i am agreeing more and more with the critical views that are not favorable to the ruling party, i.e. some of wenqing's political views. and if i am an Opposition sympathiser does that mean i am immature, biased & ranting? i think we as a nation and people have to be careful of the kind of picture our lopsided mainstream media aims to discredit the Opposition with. it is a fact they serve their political masters 1st and foremost.
as for polluting this forum, i think there are a few individuals who are downright rude, biased, and childish in promoting their own agenda. Wat do i do? ignore lor
now maybe u shld change the perception that i am a sensible guy :D
august, u r a sensible guy, I can share with you. the reason I have a problem with him is simply this: he takes on every opportunity to drag a meaningful discussion into politics. sometimes he even created threads deliberately to invite political arguments. he enjoyed talkcock a lot. and really assumed everyone is brainwashed by PAP and he's a saint and had to educate you. And he's also fundamentally biased. No objective, mature, discussion is possible with him even in politics context. therefore I believe he is best served in hardwarezone. there are plenty of youngsters there to engage him. Polluting this forum with his endless political rant is simply annoying.
Hey, I got no harsh feelings with you.
This is a forum and all of us here agree to disagree for any kind of topics.
If you look at my past posts, I am always responding to somebody's post and seldom start anything and yes , we disagree.
Sometimes, I provide links to ST, CNA, Youtube, Blogs, Forums as source to what I said, nothing wrong with backing things with some source.
If you do not like anyone to disagree with you, maybe you are not so suited to engage in forums.
I can observe you like to stereotype people and make plenty of baseless assumptions but that is your right in a forum.
I think you have your own stand, your own biaseness and own views.
But you should not call people who disagree with you as pollutants.
Who is the autocratic one here.
:cool: :cool:
devilplate
07-03-11, 11:56
haha...ignore/simply agree/pretend to agree.....
story ends....:cheers6:
mabe tat forum no challenge for him....or no fun as nobody to argue/bicker etc...hehe
You see, I am right about you.
You like to assume things and stereotype people to create a false image.
Sigh.
:scared-1: :scared-1: :scared-1:
he doesn't need meaningful discussion. he needs cheerleading :cool: that's what hardwarezone is for. he will find it right at home :cool:
I just saw AK47 posted something positive. that's what TS wanted, and what a meaningful pty discussion is all about.
How come I do not see you crticise spikey69 for making the same type of statements .
Who is biase here ?
:sleep: :sleep: :D :D
The thing is, if everybody is hardwarezone is anti-PAP, how to engage in meaningful discussion.
For example,
person A: PAP sucks.
persons B to Z: Agreed.
End of discussion.
It takes 2 hands to clap.
In condosingapore, have a lot of property owners, who are vested in Singapore, and have benefited from PAP policies.
So presumably most (with exception of Regulators, and a few others) are pro-PAP and hence Wenqing can have fertile ground for discussion.
i have a slightly different view. the pap govt sets policies, but it is still up to u as an investor whether to act or not. if i benefit from my actions, i take credit and not the pap. bcos it is me who exercised the necessary analysis, courage and decision to act. likewise if i fail, i cannot blame the pap bcos they did not force me or put blinkers on my eyes. u can bring the cow to the water, but the cow still has to decide whether to drink or not. :D
devilplate
07-03-11, 12:07
You see, I am right about you.
You like to assume things and stereotype people to create a false image.
Sigh.
:scared-1: :scared-1: :scared-1:
wow...u noe me so well wor....:scared-5:
burden lies on the reader rite? so y cares about wat i post?:D :cheers6:
u can bring the cow to the water, but the cow still has to decide whether to drink or not. :D
good one, must be a cantonese :) very sensible man in my book ha ha ha
Ultimately, this is not a political forum. But I think investing based PURELY on whether a ward is PAP or opposition is stupid.
Agree. What i am suggesting in my earlier posts is that i believe potong pasir is an area, due to a confluence of a number of important factors, is about to increase in investment potential in the coming year.
The prices for Woodsville 28 was hovering around $923 and $925 psf last year. It has now increased to $1063 psf (albeit for a much higher floor unit) in Jan 11. Nin Residences launched in late Dec/early Jan has transacted between $1200 to $1400 psf. Woodleigh condos (8@Woodleigh and Blossoms) are transacting above $1000 psf and there is still room to grow...
This is why. Considering the proximity to town, the fact that the American school is about to open, the proximity to NEX, the opening of Woodleigh MRT, the number of vacant plots around Woodleigh MRT that are available (one about to be launched), the proximity to CTE/PIE (some say proximity to traffic jams - haha) and the possibility that CST will lose his grip on the constituency, positions Potong Pasir nicely.
Agree. What i am suggesting in my earlier posts is that i believe potong pasir is an area, due to a confluence of a number of important factors, is about to increase in investment potential in the coming year.
The prices for Woodsville 28 was hovering around $923 and $925 psf last year. It has now increased to $1063 psf (albeit for a much higher floor unit) in Jan 11. Nin Residences launched in late Dec/early Jan has transacted between $1200 to $1400 psf. Woodleigh condos (8@Woodleigh and Blossoms) are transacting above $1000 psf and there is still room to grow...
This is why. Considering the proximity to town, the fact that the American school is about to open, the proximity to NEX, the opening of Woodleigh MRT, the number of vacant plots around Woodleigh MRT that are available (one about to be launched), the proximity to CTE/PIE (some say proximity to traffic jams - haha) and the possibility that CST will lose his grip on the constituency, positions Potong Pasir nicely.
You are quite sneaky.
After giving a analysis using property reasons, you try to sneak in that the reason for rise of property prices is due to PAP taking over Opposition in Potong Pasir. Everything is due to PAP credit.
You obviously trying to link property prices to politics with no evidence of the connection.
But your reasons are hypothetical and fortune telling.
You contradicted yourself by saying Potong Pasir already have high PSF now even before any GE happens. It seems Chiam did a good job then managing that area. Credit should go to Chiam then.
Nobody knows the result of next GE but one thing for certain, Potong Pasir area has good location and the property prices there have nothing to do with Opposition or PAP.
Siemens, St Andrews etc are all there for a reason and it is not political.
I already in earlier posts Woodleight MRT remains close due to business reasons as there are more dead people (Mount Vernon) than living people, which is the same reason why Punggol MRT and some LRTs remain closed for years.
Nothing to do with politics or else SMRT alone will not be held responsible for the Swiss break-in to SMRT Depot but government will be held responsible since they can control SMRT so much.
Your reasons for potential also apply to other parts of Singapore as well like new Jurong , Kallang and Paya Lebar Business Hubs. All these are long time PAP areas.
Many also say these 3 areas have lots of potential next 15 years.
Same applies to agents selling H2O at Sengkang and Punggol houses , all areas have great potential.
Are you saying PAP will soon lose these areas that why their potential will be fulfilled soon ?
Before the next GE, they are the same as Potong Pasir ? Potential not yet fulfilled ??
Save it.
Toa Payoh blk 218 - 222 (Opp Ward) vs 225 - 228 (PAP Ward)
Both built 1976/78, 4 rm, 82 sqm. Price not much different.
Thanks that very meaningful data. I wanna look into potong pasir condo area. M surprise to find a 699 Psf freehold in my earlier post. The new ones near MRT are also on the higher range.
Will post more if I got time to research tonight
Thanks that very meaningful data. I wanna look into potong pasir condo area. M surprise to find a 699 Psf freehold in my earlier post. The new ones near MRT are also on the higher range.
Will post more if I got time to research tonight
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/3117884/for-sale-euro-asia-park
This area is also within range of the yet to open MRT and is FH. The surrounding area is also quiet. Unfortunately, it is lacking in surrounding amenities.
sorry to sidetrack.. but can't understand y every GE, govt cut up areas like nobody business or without apparent reason? like the one in toa payoh? wats the purpose?:doh:
sorry to sidetrack.. but can't understand y every GE, govt cut up areas like nobody business or without apparent reason? like the one in toa payoh? wats the purpose?:doh: gerrymandering,
The ruling party can either choose option 1 or option 2
1) the majority of opposition is concentrated in 1 district. so if opposition wins, they only win 1 seat.
2) disperse the opposition. So that the chances of opposition of winning a seat is reduced.
eg 1.
They merge Hougang and Potong Pasir into 1. So opposition can win only 1 seat instead of holding 2 currently.
eg 2.
Tanjong Pagar merged with Potong Pasir area. The chances of opposition winning in Potong Pasir area is reduced. What do you think the chances of CST beating LKY?
So you think your vote is "really" secret? :scared-1:
sorry to sidetrack.. but can't understand y every GE, govt cut up areas like nobody business or without apparent reason? like the one in toa payoh? wats the purpose?:doh:
So you think your vote is "really" secret? :scared-1:
Yes. It is secrect.
Every constituency is sub-divided into precincts ( a few thousands voters for each precincts). Garment or opposition do not know who voted whos, however, both know which precinct pro or oppose garment.
Draw your own conclusion how boundaries were "cut"...
:2cents:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
Gerrymandering is a practice of political corruption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption) that attempts to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating geographic boundaries to create partisan, incumbent-protected, and neutral districts.
if you stay in potong pasir condo within 5 mins walk to MRT you dont need to worry about opposition, two stops to NEX mall..... :) and 10 mins to town
all HDB not upgaded never mind, just as long no mosquitos and not dirty.....
Geylang OKT
09-03-11, 22:06
Regarding HDB flats... take Toa Payoh for example. Lorong 8 is very different from Lorong 1 to Lorong 7. :D
Don't put words into my mouth la and don't generalise what i say. I stayed in potong pasir. My relatives stayed in potong pasir. I don't care what happens in hougang or other opposition wards. The maintenance in potong pasir is second rate. I am only talking about potong pasir and not other opposition wards. Low TK may be doing a good job....good for him but the state of affairs in Potong Pasir, especially for the HDB flats is obvious. Why don't you go for a walk there, into the lifts, check the ratio of playgrounds to hdb flats, analyse the quality of the amenities there and then we'll talk.
I said NONE of the flats in potong pasir have been chosen for enbloc...show me a PAP estate where the flats are beyond 20 years old where there is zero enbloc.
Of course location is the key. Do your research and don't be naive. When PAP takes over Potong Pasir (if they succeed in beating CST's wife), you will see how the values there have been depressed. Find me a city fringe area where you can get yet to TOP condos at 1100 psf. Potong Pasir is an unpolished gem!
Got. Trevista in PAP-ruled Toa Payoh. Still very cheap.
Regarding HDB flats... take Toa Payoh for example. Lorong 8 is very different from Lorong 1 to Lorong 7. :D
How different?
Lorong 8 under Chiam better maintain than other areas in Toa Payoh ??
I find Lorong 8 normal leh.
What about the central development? If opp takes over.. kovan central will never be redeveloped. It is quite evident that politics does affect property prices.. In the same area at least. Hougang vs kovan. Kovan is still under PAP. Price is way higher than hougang area. Also central is better developed.. I seriously hope I am wrong. But I reali think that you are not convincing enough. Your comments are more of personal attacks, angry words and slashing.
Geylang OKT
20-04-11, 22:32
How different?
Lorong 8 under Chiam better maintain than other areas in Toa Payoh ??
I find Lorong 8 normal leh.
I don't want to state the obvious. But a casual look at the transaction prices for the various lorongs and you can tell at once ;)
which hdb areas are you comparing with for value? U want to try comparing to bishan or boon keng hdb areas? Potong pasir is even nearer to town than bishan or toa payoh. Prices in potong pasir are depressed specifically because the area there is not as well maintained as pap areas.
You want to talk facts? I have stayed there for more 15 years...in two different HDB blocks in potong pasir, in a landed property and i just bought a condo there. My relatives stayed there from day one...they support chiam see tong not because their blocks are well maintained but because they have their pride. They do not like the previous PAP tactics of not opening the MRT stationss etc but they do realise that there is a price to pay for not voting the PAP in. Don't be naive.
the place is convenient because it is near town but the hdb areas suffer...it takes longer to paint the blocks, there are no enbloc for the area (even though all the blocks are beyond 20 years old...the facts are figures above in this thread show that per capita, there is less $ spent on potong pasir. If there is less spent in potong pasir per capita, of course it will less well maintained that a pap ward like bishan and of course the value is depressed.
my friend stay in the condo there 2 years ago, and he also said PP is very run down as compared to other estates. And not many amenties e.g. a nice supermarket, bank, post office?
my friend stay in the condo there 2 years ago, and he also said PP is very run down as compared to other estates. And not many amenties e.g. a nice supermarket, bank, post office?
It will be very interesting if in the coming election, PAP win PP and Bishan-TP is won by the Opposition whether the tables will be reversed. ie PP get fresh make over in double quick time.
actually PP should let PAP win 1 term then they do upgrade then the next term go back to Chiam hahah
proud owner
21-04-11, 14:54
actually PP should let PAP win 1 term then they do upgrade then the next term go back to Chiam hahah
sweet:banghead: :banghead:
actually PP should let PAP win 1 term then they do upgrade then the next term go back to Chiam hahah
I wonder if Chiam is super crafty and that is his strategy to help the people of PP get the upgrading. Bishan-TP can "survive" one term of Opposition because they already had some upgrading approved before this GE so he stepped "across the road" to give his ex-constituents a break and chance to upgrade. haha
sweet:banghead: :banghead:
why :banghead: wrong proposal for PP? :p
I am working near PP and the amenties there really suck! I have to go to Kovan to buy stationery because PP dun have a decent stationery shop. :banghead:
It will be very interesting if in the coming election, PAP win PP and Bishan-TP is won by the Opposition whether the tables will be reversed. ie PP get fresh make over in double quick time.Won't be double quick time lah... haven't you worked with govt agencies before? They have a hundred and one items on their check list. By end of 5 years, they maybe just approved the buildings to be upgraded coz must vote here and there and get correct numbers. Then call for tender to do upgrading. Then request for funds from HDB. Then set up committee to collect funds from residents. Then wait for approval of funds. Then negotiate with contractors to cut cost and start their work. Oh.. what was the project again? :spliff:
Won't be double quick time lah... haven't you worked with govt agencies before? They have a hundred and one items on their check list. By end of 5 years, they maybe just approved the buildings to be upgraded coz must vote here and there and get correct numbers. Then call for tender to do upgrading. Then request for funds from HDB. Then set up committee to collect funds from residents. Then wait for approval of funds. Then negotiate with contractors to cut cost and start their work. Oh.. what was the project again? :spliff:
Well if they want those voters to stay with PAP, wouldn't they want to flex their muscle and show that it IS possible to do things quickly before the next election? Actually I think they can do it quickly if they need to. Just that in most cases, there isn't really a rush. So they take their sweet time.
why :banghead: wrong proposal for PP? :p
I am working near PP and the amenties there really suck! I have to go to Kovan to buy stationery because PP dun have a decent stationery shop. :banghead:
u know what i call this.. ? i call this Resilience..
resilient is wat ah gong have been asking us to be.. no less
kudos to pp residents, despite no upgrading, no amenities.. they stick to their principles n belief n to chiam..
u know what i call this.. ? i call this Resilience..
resilient is wat ah gong have been asking us to be.. no less
kudos to pp residents, despite no upgrading, no amenities.. they stick to their principles n belief n to chiam..
People from Potong Pasir and Hougang will survive better than other Singaporeans during war or major crisis.
Resilience.
My friends made a point.
People who vote PAP for next 5 years because of payouts of a few hundred dollars will also tend to surrender faster to invading force who gives payouts as well.
Singaporeans culture is still low and is still quite poor.
People from Potong Pasir and Hougang will survive better than other Singaporeans during war or major crisis.
Resilience.
Singaporeans culture is still low and is still quite poor. What do you mean by culture? Do you actually mean resilience? Singapore actually has a very interesting and rich multicultural heritage, uncommon in nearly all other societies. :D
People from Potong Pasir and Hougang will survive better than other Singaporeans during war or major crisis.
Resilience.
My friends made a point.
People who vote PAP for next 5 years because of payouts of a few hundred dollars will also tend to surrender faster to invading force who gives payouts as well.
Singaporeans culture is still low and is still quite poor.
u senile ? though u fuk pple who generalise and assume? Put 1 article to back up your statement. YOU GOT PROOF?
Its very clear now u are opposition party send here to win vote. period.
devilplate
22-04-11, 11:04
u senile ? though u fuk pple who generalise and assume? Put 1 article to back up your statement. YOU GOT PROOF?
Its very clear now u are opposition party send here to win vote. period.
the problem is....opposition clearly choose the wrong guy to win votes....LOSE VOTES INSTEAD:p
HAha quite funny.... Anyway give opposition a chance lah... So man good candidates this time, if we don't vote them nobody will stand up next time... It's going to be very dangerous for Singapore.... I really believe in the check and balance school of thought
the problem is....opposition clearly choose the wrong guy to win votes....LOSE VOTES INSTEAD:p
:smiling-jap: :simmering:
u senile ? though u fuk pple who generalise and assume? Put 1 article to back up your statement. YOU GOT PROOF?
Its very clear now u are opposition party send here to win vote. period.
You can call me senile whatsoever.You are screwing me too.
I am not from Opposition which you like to accuse.
Please do not bunch me with those from grassroots and NTUC that knocks on your doors.
It is just observations base on PAP's tactics to give out money ONCE every 5 years during election time ONLY.
I am not saying our conclusions are correct. This is base on facts from 20 odd years.
If this tactic is not working, PAP would not have practiced is so long for 20 odd years.
It just shows PAP's mentality and impressions towards Singaporeans.
Did anyone here vote PAP because of those few hundred dollars and upgrading before ??
the problem is....opposition clearly choose the wrong guy to win votes....LOSE VOTES INSTEAD:p
I am not from Grassroots or NTUC. Don't worry.
I am not from Opposition and I do not care who you vote for.
I am just doing my part to copy and paste Opposition articles on Internet to contribute to the cause.
If you want to control what I post by making snide remarks at me, so be it.
I cannot be like her so I use Internet.
http://www.facebook.com/nicoleseahnsp
What do you mean by culture? Do you actually mean resilience? Singapore actually has a very interesting and rich multicultural heritage, uncommon in nearly all other societies. :D
Culture of resilience.
Potong Pasir people did not bite carrot for and got stick 27 years.
Hougang people did not bite carrot for and got stick 20 years.
None of the other areas did that. It is a very long time for anyone.
Why these two areas only ?
Something special about them ?
People who vote PAP for next 5 years because of payouts of a few hundred dollars will also tend to surrender faster to invading force who gives payouts as well.
i will vote for PAP. And i serve my NS. Only traitors will bow to few hundred dollars. Voting for PAP does not make one a "traitor" of the country. Receving $$$$ from PAP is also not a weakness of character. It is my birth right as a Singaporean.
As for you, i only got a thumbs down for you. No need to justify your actions or words. Vote for anyone u wish. I m sure PAP supporter or opposition supporter wants the best for Singapore n its people. As for surrendering to any invader of my country and family ask my m16 first.
devilplate
22-04-11, 19:29
As for surrendering to any invader of my country and family ask my m16 first.
now SAR21 liao:p
now SAR21 liao:p
my unit still have m16 leh
LaoPeng no need Sar21? :D
my unit still have m16 leh
my unit still have m16 leh
Was told by my friend who went reservist recently. Last time he used M16, now they ask him to use SAR21. If can shoot with M16, SAR21 is damn easy becos have aiming scope, almost like "bao Chiak" - sure marksman....Lao Penguin still better..haha:D
Typo...Lao Peng still better la...
i will vote for PAP. And i serve my NS. Only traitors will bow to few hundred dollars. Voting for PAP does not make one a "traitor" of the country. Receving $$$$ from PAP is also not a weakness of character. It is my birth right as a Singaporean.
As for you, i only got a thumbs down for you. No need to justify your actions or words. Vote for anyone u wish. I m sure PAP supporter or opposition supporter wants the best for Singapore n its people. As for surrendering to any invader of my country and family ask my m16 first.
You have your right to vote for PAP and nothing wrong with that.
You can look down on me because I copy and paste Opposition news , no problem with that.
I was just wondering with the handouts at only every election and upgrading carrot/stick, is PAP aiming at your so called weakness of Singaporean character as bait to win votes ?
Is PAP encouraging weakness of character ?
I agree nothing wrong with receiving money from PAP but why only at elections time ??
People might link votes to the money and accept it as buying votes like what PM Lee said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1WhJKsYb50
Why did PAP find something wrong with Potong Pasir and Hougang people for 20 odd years when they did not vote PAP.
Nothing wrong to accept government money since it is a right.
But not voting PAP becomes a wrong for Singaporeans in Hougang and Potong Pasir and no upgrading for 20 odd years.
I am not sure if M16 these days still can compete with new weapons but I do applaud your nationalist fervour.
Something for the laughs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-0jzvLn2NeA
Tin Pei Ling - Hokkien Song $$$$$$
Geylang OKT
23-04-11, 07:23
I have been keeping quiet about your political antics all this while but enough is enough :doh:
As geylang OKTs, we am politically neutral and we go about our business and ignore the powers that be (just observe the legal boundaries of course) :D
But your incessant and unfair anti ruling party postings are really a huge turn off, :simmering: :simmering: :simmering: and instead of helping your opposition party to garner votes, you are really turning us off and we will vote PAP instead :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:
You are doing a great unjustice to your opposition party by lurking around a property forum. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Something for the laughs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-0jzvLn2NeA
Tin Pei Ling - Hokkien Song $$$$$$
Geylang OKT
23-04-11, 07:28
Besides, with your super-anti PAP postings, you are really barking up the wrong tree (ahem forum) by posting here, as the majority of forumers here are property owners (some even with multiple properties) and therefore super staunch supporters of the incumbent party. :cheers4: :D :cheers1: :jogging:
You should go to somewhere else like hardwarezone or temasek review to trot out your quirky anti pap postings ;) :banghead: :scared-1: :banghead: :tongue3:
He will give you standard reply and keep up his nonsense la.
"I am simply cutting and pasting, why you jump to conclusion and accuse me, you shallow and making personal attacks, I have the right to reply you since I started this thread in the non property section" blablabla, post some more like nothing happened.
This kind of ninja boh standard, lurk in property forum somemore :doh:
Just ignore him he will disappear after may 7.
Besides, with your super-anti PAP postings, you are really barking up the wrong tree (ahem forum) by posting here, as the majority of forumers here are property owners (some even with multiple properties) and therefore super staunch supporters of the incumbent party. :cheers4: :D :cheers1: :jogging:
You should go to somewhere else like hardwarezone or temasek review to trot out your quirky anti pap postings ;) :banghead: :scared-1: :banghead: :tongue3:
Geylang OKT
23-04-11, 08:02
He will give you standard reply and keep up his nonsense la.
"I am simply cutting and pasting, why you jump to conclusion and accuse me, you shallow and making personal attacks, I have the right to reply you since I started this thread in the non property section" blablabla, post some more like nothing happened.
This kind of ninja boh standard, lurk in property forum somemore :doh:
Just ignore him he will disappear after may 7.
Well said! :D :D :D
With so many new condos in Potong Pasir, the composition of voters would have changed compared to 5 years ago. Mr Chiam and team will not be able to access to condo so easily like HDB flats. Look forward to the GE result for this area.
Culture of resilience.
Potong Pasir people did not bite carrot for and got stick 27 years.
Hougang people did not bite carrot for and got stick 20 years.
None of the other areas did that. It is a very long time for anyone.
Why these two areas only ?
Something special about them ?
Yah, potong pasir is in very dangerous situation now. For the past elections, Chiam's winning margin is very low(52-55%). Now with just his wife and more condo population, it might be a tough fight for Lina. :scared-3:
May be a lot more subsale in potong pasir area just be GE. Price moves up after GE if PAP takes over.
Yah, potong pasir is in very dangerous situation now. For the past elections, Chiam's winning margin is very low(52-55%). Now with just his wife and more condo population, it might be a tough fight for Lina. :scared-3:
Well Chiam may be more forward-thinking than you give him credit for. I am sure he is very grateful and appreciative of all the support he has received from PP residents for all these years. He may be giving them a chance to vote in PAP so that they can get the upgrading that has been due to them. Don't underestimate his chances in Bishan-TP. If he gets control of that GRC, that GRC is alsready quite well off in terms of upgrading and amenities so they won't "suffer" as much as PP residents. And surprising he does have a fair amount of support there. I was truly surprised as I thought that is a staunch PAP stronghold all these years but the support for Opposition is also there so it will be an "interesting" fight.
Geylang OKT
23-04-11, 09:06
Well Chiam may be more forward-thinking than you give him credit for. I am sure he is very grateful and appreciative of all the support he has received from PP residents for all these years. He may be giving them a chance to vote in PAP so that they can get the upgrading that has been due to them. Don't underestimate his chances in Bishan-TP. If he gets control of that GRC, that GRC is alsready quite well off in terms of upgrading and amenities so they won't "suffer" as much as PP residents. And surprising he does have a fair amount of support there. I was truly surprised as I thought that is a staunch PAP stronghold all these years but the support for Opposition is also there so it will be an "interesting" fight.
The Chiams could be committing political suicide with their double gamble :D
devilplate
23-04-11, 09:09
The Chiams could be committing political suicide with their double gamble :D
i tink so too:( :doh:
The Chiams could be committing political suicide with their double gamble :D
It's possible. Let's see how it turns out. Some neutral people on the ground told me that there is a lot support for him in Bishan though. but people can change their minds easily when it comes to the crunch (putting in that polling paper).
devilplate
23-04-11, 09:25
It's possible. Let's see how it turns out. Some neutral people on the ground told me that there is a lot support for him in Bishan though. but people can change their minds easily when it comes to the crunch (putting in that polling paper).
irrationally, i will vote for him.....
It will be really funny if the national average goes below 60% but PAP still control all seats except Hougang....
I am not surprise. Mindset of baby boomers and earlier are very different from those younger ones.
It will be really funny if the national average goes below 60% but PAP still control all seats except Hougang....
He will give you standard reply and keep up his nonsense la.
"I am simply cutting and pasting, why you jump to conclusion and accuse me, you shallow and making personal attacks, I have the right to reply you since I started this thread in the non property section" blablabla, post some more like nothing happened.
This kind of ninja boh standard, lurk in property forum somemore :doh:
Just ignore him he will disappear after may 7.
Thank you for answering for me.
But I am no ninja and lurker.
It just so happen it coincided with elections and the mood started.
ST and CNA also coming out lots of election articles these days.
Maybe it will disappear after May 7 too.
Interested in answering if whether government is encouraging weakness of Singapore character by offering money and upgrading & development stick/carrot only on elections ?
It will be really funny if the national average goes below 60% but PAP still control all seats except Hougang....
Yep it will be funny if Opposition do not win more than Hougang after unprecedented mistakes from PAP last 5 years.
The Chiams could be committing political suicide with their double gamble :D
Committing suicide no.
Gamble yes.
Not all gambles = suicides.
CST sees it as his last chance to do something for Opposition and Singaporeans to break the GRC Wall.
Given his status as 27 years Opposition MP, who else is more suitable than to launch a last gasp assault on a GRC ?
Potong Pasir residents had government stick for 27 years and surrounded by sea of PAP areas. Sooner or later it will be absorbed by PAP unless PAP become Opposition.
Anyway, PAP set bad precedent for future governments by practising the stick approach to areas and making it look wrong that do not vote PAP.
It's possible. Let's see how it turns out. Some neutral people on the ground told me that there is a lot support for him in Bishan though. but people can change their minds easily when it comes to the crunch (putting in that polling paper).
Every election is a battle itself.
Nobody will know the support unless they try to compete there.
Wong Kan Seng never had elections for 20 odd years.
Nobody had real statistics to prove PAP had good support there since the 20 odd years ago.
Chiam did the right thing to give people there a chance to exercise their right.
Cheers
Besides, with your super-anti PAP postings, you are really barking up the wrong tree (ahem forum) by posting here, as the majority of forumers here are property owners (some even with multiple properties) and therefore super staunch supporters of the incumbent party. :cheers4: :D :cheers1: :jogging:
You should go to somewhere else like hardwarezone or temasek review to trot out your quirky anti pap postings ;) :banghead: :scared-1: :banghead: :tongue3:
Since you copy and paste this post, look at my reply at Coffeeshop talk.
Post whatever you want from ST and CNA.
Share with people PAP articles since you admit you are PAP supporter.
Nothing wrong with that.
But trying to control what and how other posts base on your own preferences is not in the spirit of the forum.
The posts from elections should be diverse, some serious and some funny.
Yes, after elections, it will be gone and so will ST and CNA articles.
This is normal.
Wild Falcon
23-04-11, 16:14
Very possible outcome. PAP may just get 51% of the votes, but still 99% of the seats. The GRC system and the constant change in boundaries has created an uneven playing field.
It will be really funny if the national average goes below 60% but PAP still control all seats except Hougang....
Wild Falcon
23-04-11, 16:28
I don't think people only vote for property values only lah. Let us remember that property values and dollars and cents, are not the sum and whole of human welfare.
As for whether people prefer a dominant one party dictatorship or perhaps a few alternative voices, we will know by 7 May lor. But I must say, the oppositions has an uphill task - the GRC system created by the PAP has ensured total domination and absolute power for decades.
Besides, with your super-anti PAP postings, you are really barking up the wrong tree (ahem forum) by posting here, as the majority of forumers here are property owners (some even with multiple properties) and therefore super staunch supporters of the incumbent party. :cheers4: :D :cheers1: :jogging:
You should go to somewhere else like hardwarezone or temasek review to trot out your quirky anti pap postings ;) :banghead: :scared-1: :banghead: :tongue3:
That is politics just like lawyer.
I don't think people only vote for property values only lah. Let us remember that property values and dollars and cents, are not the sum and whole of human welfare.
As for whether people prefer a dominant one party dictatorship or perhaps a few alternative voices, we will know by 7 May lor. But I must say, the oppositions has an uphill task - the GRC system created by the PAP has ensured total domination and absolute power for decades.
Very possible outcome. PAP may just get 51% of the votes, but still 99% of the seats. The GRC system and the constant change in boundaries has created an uneven playing field.
Political analyst: I have never seen the ground so polarized
Independent political analyst Dr Derek da Cunha warned that anti-PAP voters may turn to civil disobedience to bring out change if the opposition fail to win more than its current two seats in Parliament.
“I have never seen the ground so polarised as it is today. Those who are against the government and its polices are vehemently so. It will get worse if these people are not represented in Parliament”, he told Yahoo News.
With the next election looming ahead, anti-PAP sentiments are rising with each passing day as netizens vent their frustrations, unhappiness and anger in cyberspace.
Unlike 2006, the ground has shifted against the PAP this time round which was acknowledged lately by Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.
As an example, PAP newbie candidate Tin Pei Ling was flamed mercilessly by netizens for her young age and apparent lack of substance when she was introduced as a candidate. In contrast, 24 year old NSP candidate Nicole Seah was welcomed warmly by netizens.
Many Singaporeans are simply peeved by the way the PAP has run the country for the last few years. The relentless influx of foreigners, rising cost of living, sky-rocketing HDB flat prices, stagnating income, low domestic purchasing power and widening income gap between the rich and the poor are all the inevitable results of the PAP’s ‘grow at all cost’ policies.
It remains to be seen whether the groundswell of support for the opposition in cyberspace will translate into votes on polling day as Singapore heads towards what is probably a watershed election in its history.
civil unrest = bad for investment..
rather give them 1 or 2 seats if this is the case.
also good to check on the paps...
huh i or 2 only? can give more or not? as it is, parliament only got 2 opp.. i say vote in more.. the more the merrier..
kingkong1984
24-04-11, 05:11
It's your right, no need to tell anyone right?
Like this also cannot get it right?
How can u be bright?
For those who have been right.
They will continue to fight it right.
For those who didn't get it right
Now it's the chance to make it right
Right......ride....
:D my poem
Geylang OKT
24-04-11, 07:17
Amen.... :scared-1: :confused: :hell-hath-no-fury: :doh: :D
Many Singaporeans are simply peeved by the way the PAP has run the country for the last few years. The relentless influx of foreigners, rising cost of living, sky-rocketing HDB flat prices, stagnating income, low domestic purchasing power and widening income gap between the rich and the poor are all the inevitable results of the PAP’s ‘grow at all cost’ policies.
Salary rise is much lower than inflation rates. That means, people are getting poorer? :scared-1: No point giving growth package that can only help us for couple of months and the remaining years we're on our own. Then come election again give another few more months of goodies! :doh: While I agree that we cannot expect govt to look after us full time but with current inflation rates, the people need help. :spliff:
Many Singaporeans are simply peeved by the way the PAP has run the country for the last few years. The relentless influx of foreigners, rising cost of living, sky-rocketing HDB flat prices, stagnating income, low domestic purchasing power and widening income gap between the rich and the poor are all the inevitable results of the PAP’s ‘grow at all cost’ policies.
When salary increment is below inflation rate, the citizens are getting poorer :scared-1: . While I believe citizens cannot expect govt to fully look after them, at today's inflation rate, the people need help.:spliff:
The opposition should really press the government to commit that bus and mrt fares will not go up for the next 5 years . No better time than this election. No use holding hawker prices for 6 months only.
The opposition should really press the government to commit that bus and mrt fares will not go up for the next 5 years . No better time than this election. No use holding hawker prices for 6 months only.
Can we hope for no increase in GST? Did I hear that the GST might be going up again? :scared-1:
Can we hope for no increase in GST? Did I hear that the GST might be going up again? :scared-1:
PAP finally come out to say technically GST will not be increase next 5 years but nobody believes them base on the comments because of past experience.
Without GE or Opposition, PAP would not come out and make statement about GST.
After GE 2006, GST was increase to 7% at 2007 to "help the poor".
Believe PAP if you want but I am not biting.
http://www.todayonline.com/TalkBack/SingaporeVotes/EDC110424-0000137/GST-will-not-be-increased-for-at-least-5-years
1 - 8 of 8 responses to "GST will not be increased for at least 5 years (http://www.todayonline.com/SingaporeVotes/EDC110424-0000137/GST-will-not-be-increased-for-at-least-5-years)"
PAP finally come out to say technically GST will not be increase next 5 years but nobody believes them base on the comments because of past experience.
Without GE or Opposition, PAP would not come out and make statement about GST.
Surely they cannot get away with LYING? Because if they go back on this it would be tantamount to lying.
Hmmm...could mean that after 5 years SURE HAVE GST rise.
Surely they cannot get away with LYING? Because if they go back on this it would be tantamount to lying.
Hmmm...could mean that after 5 years SURE HAVE GST rise.
It is not about lying.
Read the statement carefully.
There are conditions to be met if GST not increase next 5 years.
This is only if Budget has enough money and cost of Government is less.
If conditions are not met next 5 years, GST can be increase by giving some reasons.
Anything is possible. More FT will come into Singapore.
It is not about lying.
Read the statement carefully.
There are conditions to be met if GST not increase next 5 years.
This is only if Budget has enough money and cost of Government is less.
If conditions are not met next 5 years, GST can be increase by giving some reasons.
They claim that there will be no means testing during 2006 election but after that quietly implement it as well... So can't be trusted....
They claim that there will be no means testing during 2006 election but after that quietly implement it as well... So can't be trusted....
The worst part is ST and CNA did not officially broadcast this news to Singaporeans.
A policy so shameful that must implement in hidden way ?
Surely they cannot get away with LYING? Because if they go back on this it would be tantamount to lying.
Hmmm...could mean that after 5 years SURE HAVE GST rise.
Read here and you understand better why we take PAP statements with pinch of salt about GST.
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=11131&page=19
Tharman Shanmugaratnam contradicts PM Lee Hsien Loong on GST increase (http://5.hidemyass.com/ip-1/encoded/Oi8vd3d3LnRlbWFzZWtyZXZpZXcuY29tLzIwMTEvMDQvMjQvdGhhcm1hbi1jb250cmFkaWN0cy1wbS1sZWUtYnktcHJvbWlzaW5nLW5vLWdzdC1pbmNyZWFzZS1pbi1uZXh0LTUteWVhcnMv)
huh i or 2 only? can give more or not? as it is, parliament only got 2 opp.. i say vote in more.. the more the merrier..
yo romeo, i mean 1 or 2 GRC :)
If you do observe carefully, the modus operandi of the Guzman is to appease you durin election and then after election do what they like and then come closer to the next election, appease you again.... Coz Singaporean very obedient and short memory.... This hospital bill means testing thing is really very cheeky of them...
If you do observe carefully, the modus operandi of the Guzman is to appease you durin election and then after election do what they like and then come closer to the next election, appease you again.... Coz Singaporean very obedient and short memory.... This hospital bill means testing thing is really very cheeky of them...
This is what Internet, iPhones, copy and paste is for.
Remind Singaporeans of the past 5 years.
ST and CNA will not help remind Singaporeans.
They claim that there will be no means testing during 2006 election but after that quietly implement it as well... So can't be trusted....
Eh so means testing is implemented already? ha they kept quiet abt it. I din noe. Lucky (touch wood) haven't had to use hosp services except for outpatients which I always opt to go A class anyways since cannot stand Q at polyclinic and fish market atmosphere of subsidised clinics.
mean testing by nuh i can confirmed they are doing it. Lately, a relative was asked to show bank account for verification upon her request to downgrade fr A class and 'A' type of medication due to her afforability.
mean testing by nuh i can confirmed they are doing it. Lately, a relative was asked to show bank account for verification upon her request to downgrade fr A class and 'A' type of medication due to her afforability.
That's not accurate. Many older folk are asset-rich but cash-poor. And many keep their assets in other forms like shares, etc. And many have multiple bank accts.
That's not accurate. Many older folk are asset-rich but cash-poor. And many keep their assets in other forms like shares, etc. And many have multiple bank accts.
Tell that to Health Minister.
You can vote on this issue to show your approval or disapproval on this policy.
Tell that to Health Minister.
You can vote on this issue to show your approval or disapproval on this policy.
I don't think they have implemented means testing yet. Cannot do so without specifying the criteria officially. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding.
I don't think they have implemented means testing yet. Cannot do so without specifying the criteria officially. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding.
Yep perhaps.
You can go around asking the hospitals or friends who have stayed in hospitals.
You will not want to wait to find out aftering entering a hospital. (Touch Wood).
Good luck.
I don't think they have implemented means testing yet. Cannot do so without specifying the criteria officially. Perhaps there is some misunderstanding.
for info only:
http://www.pqms.moh.gov.sg/apps/fcd_faqmain.aspx?qst=2fN7e274RAp%2bbUzLdEL%2fmJu3ZDKARR3p5Nl92FNtJifw8iBZoOww9Gf8%2fdLi7cbTadpIw2tF7Fdn5I9r5Y9UM9XPY37bcAtM7ZvDLVsTJgDSks74Ew7gnY0O7OPO5%2fzDG7VL1ugrF%2fa3wpwYm%2fLw8EgQTEN2HpITreQmMf2L2f0BUIH5nRwNLV5fvxTy5jHxoEd75Hgf8LI%3d
http://www.lioninvestor.com/means-testing-to-start-for-hospital-patients/
Try getting in to a hospital in C ward and see if they allow you if you are well to do.... You will know... I thought I read somewhere WP questioning the gahmen on the means testing thingy about why they say they will not do it but ultimatelythey just do it.... This really worry me... We really need someone to check on the accountability of the gahmen....
for info only:
http://www.pqms.moh.gov.sg/apps/fcd_faqmain.aspx?qst=2fN7e274RAp%2bbUzLdEL%2fmJu3ZDKARR3p5Nl92FNtJifw8iBZoOww9Gf8%2fdLi7cbTadpIw2tF7Fdn5I9r5Y9UM9XPY37bcAtM7ZvDLVsTJgDSks74Ew7gnY0O7OPO5%2fzDG7VL1ugrF%2fa3wpwYm%2fLw8EgQTEN2HpITreQmMf2L2f0BUIH5nRwNLV5fvxTy5jHxoEd75Hgf8LI%3d
http://www.lioninvestor.com/means-testing-to-start-for-hospital-patients/
Thanks... Guess its confirmed....
It's your right, no need to tell anyone right?
Like this also cannot get it right?
How can u be bright?
For those who have been right.
They will continue to fight it right.
For those who didn't get it right
Now it's the chance to make it right
Right......ride....
:D my poem
wtf?!?!?!?!?
yo romeo, i mean 1 or 2 GRC :)
thats better.. lolz
correct me if im wrong but somehow i feel that the origin of our woes i.e. income gap, inflation shooting like nobody biz, rocketing property price, influx of FT, low birth rate, congestion everywhere n many many more can be linked back to the stop at two policy which was implemented back in the 70s or 80s? too huge a success i suppose?
juz met a tattoo artist from norway, told me he is taking a long break, juz came from thailand after spending 3-4 mths there, plans to stay sg for a month or two, den go back thailand again..
i was thinking.. shit.. could never do that.. sianz..
devilplate
24-04-11, 23:36
juz met a tattoo artist from norway, told me he is taking a long break, juz came from thailand after spending 3-4 mths there, plans to stay sg for a month or two, den go back thailand again..
i was thinking.. shit.. could never do that.. sianz..
tats scary....imagine every singaporeans jus work few mths a yr....wat will happen to our economy??
if one day SG govt starts to fed maggots.....i will surely annul my citizenship and run
People from Potong Pasir and Hougang will survive better than other Singaporeans during war or major crisis.
Resilience.
My friends made a point.
People who vote PAP for next 5 years because of payouts of a few hundred dollars will also tend to surrender faster to invading force who gives payouts as well.
Singaporeans culture is still low and is still quite poor.
this is clearly an UNFAIR statement that the other singaporean are not much better than the residents from PP and Hougang! What logic is this?
I thot this thread is asking the situation on the condos in the opposition ward?
devilplate
25-04-11, 10:41
this is clearly an UNFAIR statement that the other singaporean are not much better than the residents from PP and Hougang! What logic is this?
I thot this thread is asking the situation on the condos in the opposition ward?
looks like wenqing offended another guy here....LOL:p
There are also those who voted for PAP in PP and Hougang. Do they qualify? :D. If this election PP lose to PAP then will the residents in PP still survive better than other Singaporeans during war and crisis times? Hmmm... Strong opinions!
Tides are turning. Bishan under severe siege by opp and PP are losing precious grounds to PAP too. Votes are scattered by the new boundaries drawn by govt. WP is commanding lots of attention. TPL vs NS and who's emerging the winner? All the best to SM Goh and his gang! Gomez is back and hopefully he don't screw up again! Waiting for the 'slipper man' to return too! :scared-4:Anything can happen man! One of the more exciting elections in recent history!
Was just thinking voters staying in condos in opp wards don't have to be manipulated by all the promises for lift and carpark upgradings coz it doesn't concern them at all! Hahaha! :D
this is clearly an UNFAIR statement that the other singaporean are not much better than the residents from PP and Hougang! What logic is this?
I thot this thread is asking the situation on the condos in the opposition ward?
Yep, it is just some friends opinions which they are entitled too. Whether it makes sense to all is subjective which I clarified at next post. It is not saying the conclusion is right.
Please read the next few subsequent posts about whether PAP practicing handouts of money and upgrading (carrots) for votes on Singaporeans for 20 odd years helps to encourage weakness of Singaporean character and why PAP kept on using this tactic to win votes for 20 odd years if it was not successful.
Then followed by punishing the people of Hougang and Potong Pasir with no upgrading and development for 20 odd years and sending a message to all Singaporeans it is wrong not to vote for PAP.
Discuss whether PAP is purposely targetting at Singaporeans docile character and whether PAP acknowledge Singaporeans are weak by practising such election tactics.
looks like wenqing offended another guy here....LOL:p
Dont exaggerate.
He is just voicing his different opinion on the statement which I agree is unfair.
He should be comforted the subsequent next few posts did clarify and throws up some questions to analyse. The Moral Ground.
The statement did indeed throws up more questions which TS stated about PAP testing and acknowledging Singaporeans weakness of character which can be translate to same concept at times of crisis like war.
Anyway no right or wrong answers to this question of weakness of character cause Singapore have no war before after election carrots / stick.
this is clearly an UNFAIR statement that the other singaporean are not much better than the residents from PP and Hougang! What logic is this?
I thot this thread is asking the situation on the condos in the opposition ward?
Unfair statements is everywhere during elections by reading ST and CNA alone.
But I do agree it is unfair.
But unfair it is, right or wrong, nobody knows because Singapore had no war before after using so many elections carrots / stick.
It is just a statement born out from observing PP and Hougang residents getting stick for 20 odd years.
Yep, it is just some friends opinions which they are entitled too. Whether it makes sense to all is subjective which I clarified at next post. It is not saying the conclusion is right.
Please read the next few subsequent posts about whether PAP practicing handouts of money and upgrading (carrots) for votes on Singaporeans for 20 odd years helps to encourage weakness of Singaporean character and why PAP kept on using this tactic to win votes for 20 odd years if it was not successful.
Then followed by punishing the people of Hougang and Potong Pasir with no upgrading and development for 20 odd years and sending a message to all Singaporeans it is wrong not to vote for PAP.
Discuss whether PAP is purposely targetting at Singaporeans docile character and whether PAP acknowledge Singaporeans are weak by practising such election tactics.Such tactics will not last. Next generation of Singaporeans are definitely more adventurous! They are more willing to try new things, even new govt! :D
devilplate
25-04-11, 11:49
Unfair statements is everywhere during elections by reading ST and CNA alone.
But I do agree it is unfair.
But unfair it is, right or wrong, nobody knows because Singapore had no war before after using so many elections carrots / stick.
It is just a statement born out from observing PP and Hougang residents getting stick for 20 odd years.
he is just pointing out ur statement.....
its like u make a unfair statement....and trying to say itsok bcoz many others r doing the same:tongue3:
devilplate
25-04-11, 11:52
Dont exaggerate.
He is just voicing his different opinion on the statement which I agree is unfair.
He should be comforted the subsequent next few posts did clarify and throws up some questions to analyse. The Moral Ground.
The statement did indeed throws up more questions which TS stated about PAP testing and acknowledging Singaporeans weakness of character which can be translate to same concept at times of crisis like war.
Anyway no right or wrong answers to this question of weakness of character cause Singapore have no war before after election carrots / stick.
relax...y always link to politics?
i am just merely saying u haf offended many ppl here by ur behaviour and comments....got nothing to do wif PAP / WP/ election at all....:p
relax...y always link to politics?
i am just merely saying u haf offended many ppl here by ur behaviour and comments....got nothing to do wif PAP / WP/ election at all....:p
Ok Ok I am old.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb98HH6JS4&feature=player_embedded)
Some PAP upgrading threats to complement this thread.
relax...y always link to politics?
i am just merely saying u haf offended many ppl here by ur behaviour and comments....got nothing to do wif PAP / WP/ election at all....:p
I also made some friends.
I cannot please everyone I guess.
devilplate
25-04-11, 12:02
I also made some friends.
I cannot please everyone I guess.
i believe so....
but at least try to be more tactful lor....the world is beautiful:D
I also made some friends.
I cannot please everyone I guess. We do not live to please everybody! That makes life miserable! But making enemies will not make life any better too! :D Friendly friendly :spliff:
i believe so....
but at least try to be more tactful lor....the world is beautiful:D
Yep, I hope you tell PAP that too. ...lol
devilplate
25-04-11, 12:13
Yep, I hope you tell PAP that too. ...lol
i am a small fry....only contribute to this forum....u r part of the family....so i give u a frenly advice....as simple as tat...dun link to PAP la...:doh: :p
We do not live to please everybody! That makes life miserable! But making enemies will not make life any better too! :D Friendly friendly :spliff:
Yep, those I acknowledge, I apologise.
But I am more sensitive to fearmongering with no backup is because for 45 years, Singaporeans had lived in fear including myself. I do not want the same for my children and grandchildren.
I voted out of unfounded fear, I hope the new generation will not.
Vote is secret.
Maybe also it is how old people talk at times and picking up internet suddenly make you feel on top of the world.
It is just internet.
i am a small fry....only contribute to this forum....u r part of the family....so i give u a frenly advice....as simple as tat...dun link to PAP la...:doh: :p
Thanks for treating me like a family.
I do not have many more 5 years.
Singapore's future depends on you guys.
devilplate
25-04-11, 12:19
Thanks for treating me like a family.
I do not have many more 5 years.
Singapore's future depends on you guys.
when the day u make ur postings under kopitiam....i m fine wif it oredi....as and when i feel like it....i join in and tcss:cheers6:
just dun get too obsessed by election thingy....there is really tat much u can do as a voter....
more passionate ones(capable ones of coz) wud hf volunteer themselves to the opposition liao
People win some and lose some. It is always good to have a balance just like property investment.
when the day u make ur postings under kopitiam....i m fine wif it oredi....as and when i feel like it....i join in and tcss:cheers6:
just dun get too obsessed by election thingy....there is really tat much u can do as a voter....
more passionate ones(capable ones of coz) wud hf volunteer themselves to the opposition liao
Do not underestimate your power as voter to change things.
tats scary....imagine every singaporeans jus work few mths a yr....wat will happen to our economy??
if one day SG govt starts to fed maggots.....i will surely annul my citizenship and run
amazing.. i cite an example n u make it a macro issue:confused:
btw, i dun think everyone in norway went for holidays for months on end:)
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3206341 (http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=3206341)
http://thinkhappiness.blogspot.com/2011/04/pap-provokes-179-grow-and-share-package.html (http://thinkhappiness.blogspot.com/2011/04/pap-provokes-179-grow-and-share-package.html)
PAP supporter donates $179 of his Grow & Share package to SDP
PAP Provokes $179 Grow and Share Package For SDP
Ordinarily, I would rule out contributing to a party like the Singapore Democratic Party (http://yoursdp.org/). I still cannot forget how the then Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong was treated by one of its leaders (http://app2.mlaw.gov.sg/News/tabid/204/Default.aspx?ItemId=447).
My view is, whether or not we agree with the views of the party in power, the Prime Minister as head of the Executive deserves some level of respect and decorum. I also find unacceptable the past attempts of some SDP members to undermine the independence of the Singapore judiciary (http://www.agc.gov.sg/docs/MEDIABACKGROUNDBRIEF_Contempt_of_Court.pdf).
However, the circumstances set out in the letter below provoked me to do otherwise. As guardians of justice, members of the legal profession have a duty to protect and exemplify rules of fair play. I hope this helps to make a difference in building an inclusive secular Singapore.
I also take comfort in the fact that my PAP Member of Parliament (http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/content/cabinet/appointments/mr_tharman_shanmugaratnam.html) has responded swiftly to my feedback yesterday (http://thinkhappiness.blogspot.com/2011/04/appeal-for-clean-campaign.html) to express appreciation and offer empathy. No response has been received so far from the recipient of the letter below.
LETTER SENT TO LAWYER AND MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT CHRISTOPHER DE SOUZA ON 26 APRIL 2011
I write to you as a fellow Singaporean and particularly as a fellow member of our legal brethren in Singapore. I refer to your recent statement (http://www.asiaone.com/News/Elections/Story/A1Story20110425-275604.html), which in effect is a character attack on a person standing against you in the coming general elections.
I have no standing to address the rest of your team but I must add I am greatly disappointed that you agreed to sign such an unfortunate statement. It is reflective of a colonialist dark age which sought to divide and rule. It will hurt our society in the long run.
For someone who comes from a profession that is greatly inclusive and tolerant of diversity, I wished you had not done so.
I cannot hold you accountable for your views. That is the prerogative of your voters.
However, I think I have a duty to show that your views do not represent my views, as a member of the august fraternity we belong to and as a Singaporean.
The Singapore Government has announced a package, which will, among other things, provide cash hand-outs to Singaporeans. We have been encouraged to donate this money.
As I disagree with your unfortunate statement, I will donate (http://yoursdp.org/index.php/act-now/donate) $179 from the cash hand-out I am due to receive to the team that is running against you; $1 for each word that appears in your unfortunate statement.
I will encourage other members of our profession, who do not agree with your statement, to do the same.
Finally, I appeal to you to campaign respectfully and positively in this general elections. Let’s not divide our society more than it is already.
Happiness,
Dharmendra Yadav
Will private property prices drop if PAP loses a few GRCs in the upcoming election?
devilplate
29-04-11, 00:16
Will private property prices drop if PAP loses a few GRCs in the upcoming election?
its such a burning question in this ppty forum
u hate uncertainty when u got alot at stake
Geylang OKT
29-04-11, 07:02
Will private property prices drop if PAP loses a few GRCs in the upcoming election?
Vote Opposition for lower property prices! :D :D :D
Fearmongering
Those resale and new developments at Hougang and Potong Pasir prices rose together with entire Singapore property prices.
These areas are even more expensive than PAP areas.
Fearmongering
Those resale and new developments at Hougang and Potong Pasir prices rose together with entire Singapore property prices.
These areas are even more expensive than PAP areas.
Check property websites and you will know.
Vote Opposition for lower property prices! :D :D :D
I don't think will drop significantly. Many vultures waiting to jump in and buy if prices drop.
Maybe now it is fashionable to live in opposition ward, got style and be different. Properties in opposition ward will be in good demand haa haa haa.... :rolleyes:
Will private property prices drop if PAP loses a few GRCs in the upcoming election?Highly unlikely. All the promises by opp are made for HDB flat prices to be more affordable and the private sector seldom take signal from HDB. It is usually the other way around so private will seldom be affected by HDB. HDB upgraders will still upgrade if they have the cash and not think of staying in HDB just coz its cheaper. :tsk-tsk:
devilplate
29-04-11, 10:07
i am totally not convinced by OPP party's proposals on HDB new flats pricing mechanism so far
i am looking at policies....i dun care who propose it be it PAP or OPP
it will be a disaster if new flats r priced according to median wages or even worse if priced at cost+plus:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
remember this ppty market upswing is bottom up scenerio......if new flats r suddenly priced lower by 20-30%, resale prices will drop definitely and will definitely affect mass market condos and den RCR and lastly hitting prime condos .....mabe only luxury prime and GCBs more den 5mil r unaffected as they r in its own league by itself
It is unlikely that they will allow HDB prices to drop. The best way that they can do is to moderate it by having different kind of subsidies. Property prices will have to moving in the upward trends with corrections from time to time as our $ is getting smaller over time. Just like mean test in Hospital. This group of people will be at the bottom 10% and does not have great impact to the property market on the whole.
i am totally not convinced by OPP party's proposals on HDB new flats pricing mechanism so far
i am looking at policies....i dun care who propose it be it PAP or OPP
it will be a disaster if new flats r priced according to median wages or even worse if priced at cost+plus:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
remember this ppty market upswing is bottom up scenerio......if new flats r suddenly priced lower by 20-30%, resale prices will drop definitely and will definitely affect mass market condos and den RCR and lastly hitting prime condos .....mabe only luxury prime and GCBs more den 5mil r unaffected as they r in its own league by itself
Our dear MBT insists that HDB is affordable and even quoted the example that the young couple can afford a HDB 4 room when the figures don't quite tally. He only say its affordable but not doing anything to make it true. There are actually many ways to make it affordable like various forms of subsidies pegged to median wage of households.
As much as I am wary of what was proposed by the opp on bringing down new HDB flat prices, I am disgusted that MBT only say its affordable but not doing anything significant to help. :doh:
devilplate
29-04-11, 10:46
Our dear MBT insists that HDB is affordable and even quoted the example that the young couple can afford a HDB 4 room when the figures don't quite tally. He only say its affordable but not doing anything to make it true. There are actually many ways to make it affordable like various forms of subsidies pegged to median wage of households.
As much as I am wary of what was proposed by the opp on bringing down new HDB flat prices, I am disgusted that MBT only say its affordable but not doing anything significant to help. :doh:
agree....very subjective on how affordable really means for every individuals....
i only know tat expensive new BTOs at superior locations got overwhelming response compared to cheaper alternatives at inferior locations which not near to MRT
opposition barking at the wrong stuff....instead of giving better solutions....they said asset enhancement is wrong blah blah....
they oredi posed themselves as an alternative voices and not opposition which i believe its a very gd start....so y cant their proposals be more balanced and sort of enhance existing policies??? haizzzzzzz very dissapointed....but tats politics:doh:
too add: not defending MBT....but he goto be very careful of wat he said....he cannot simply say : ok, i decided to give more subsidies blah blah.....tat will lead to empty promises later on....LOL....
Geylang OKT
29-04-11, 10:50
looks like wenqing offended another guy here....LOL:p
He has in his short time here managed to alienate many forumers.
Next time he comes to Geylang, none of our girls will service him :D :D :D
Geylang OKT
29-04-11, 10:52
I also made some friends.
I cannot please everyone I guess.
Clones cannot be counted :D
rattydrama
29-04-11, 11:16
i am totally not convinced by OPP party's proposals on HDB new flats pricing mechanism so far
i am looking at policies....i dun care who propose it be it PAP or OPP
it will be a disaster if new flats r priced according to median wages or even worse if priced at cost+plus:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
remember this ppty market upswing is bottom up scenerio......if new flats r suddenly priced lower by 20-30%, resale prices will drop definitely and will definitely affect mass market condos and den RCR and lastly hitting prime condos .....mabe only luxury prime and GCBs more den 5mil r unaffected as they r in its own league by itself
if majority of them only have one property and now it has been overpriced, who cares about current property investors?
these majority would want the price to drop. :p
Actually how popular can a policy be? It really depend on how many buyers vs sellers.... now may be seller's market but in 2 years when market is too saturated, then it'll be buyer's market... Bottomline is housing related policies must continually change to adapt to supply and demand... cannot just based on popularity. However, the rallies are primarily focused on popularity, which is rather dangerous!!! :doh:
rattydrama
29-04-11, 11:19
Our dear MBT insists that HDB is affordable and even quoted the example that the young couple can afford a HDB 4 room when the figures don't quite tally. He only say its affordable but not doing anything to make it true. There are actually many ways to make it affordable like various forms of subsidies pegged to median wage of households.
As much as I am wary of what was proposed by the opp on bringing down new HDB flat prices, I am disgusted that MBT only say its affordable but not doing anything significant to help. :doh:
The heavy weight mm is going to Tampines to rally support. sure to secure some votes on behalf. he is the cash cow for the gov. so long can milk who cares?
devilplate
29-04-11, 11:22
if majority of them only have one property and now it has been overpriced, who cares about current property investors?
these majority would want the price to drop. :p
u sure wat u say is logical???
once u own a ppty, wud u like to hf a negative or positive asset?
only renters or homebuyers (without owning any ppty) will give a DAMN to ppty owners and not just ppty investors
rattydrama
29-04-11, 11:23
Actually how popular can a policy be? It really depend on how many buyers vs sellers.... now may be seller's market but in 2 years when market is too saturated, then it'll be buyer's market... Bottomline is housing related policies must continually change to adapt to supply and demand... cannot just based on popularity. However, the rallies are primarily focused on popularity, which is rather dangerous!!! :doh:
but opp hoping the masses can vote them into parliment...they are policity correct at this moment. actually i would like to hear different voices. there are alot of other policies which are less debated and being proceeded in the sideline without reporting ... its not about ppty alone.
devilplate
29-04-11, 11:28
The heavy weight mm is going to Tampines to rally support. sure to secure some votes on behalf. he is the cash cow for the gov. so long can milk who cares?
like it anot: $$ goto come from smwhr .....nvrending complains about tax...pay and pay
everybody only want to receive rather den taxed....
not like USA, they can print as much as they wants.....USA is so call 1st world parliament rite? do u noe how the subprime crisis was created? its not a natural disaster...it dun surface by itself...it is created by HUMANS
devilplate
29-04-11, 11:30
but opp hoping the masses can vote them into parliment...they are policity correct at this moment. actually i would like to hear different voices. there are alot of other policies which are less debated and being proceeded in the sideline without reporting ... its not about ppty alone.
ministerial pay system again? hehe:hell-hath-no-fury:
i wud love to see it revised too!:hell-hath-no-fury:
rattydrama
29-04-11, 11:34
u sure wat u say is logical???
once u own a ppty, wud u like to hf a negative or positive asset?
only renters or homebuyers (without owning any ppty) will give a DAMN to ppty owners and not just ppty investors
logical or not its another side to the coin.
1st time buyer find it difficult to cope with the current high price. they would want to see the price to drop. so BMT heard it and came up with all sorts of CMs.
masses buy for self stay and not for investment so they dont pay much attention to the price. ppty in the earlier days still appreciates but at a reasonable pace, there are not many cashing profits.
and i am sure you know why the ppty price chiong so high over the last 3 years. its not healthy. well u and me maybe happy.
:2cents:
rattydrama
29-04-11, 11:37
like it anot: $$ goto come from smwhr .....nvrending complains about tax...pay and pay
everybody only want to receive rather den taxed....
not like USA, they can print as much as they wants.....USA is so call 1st world parliament rite? do u noe how the subprime crisis was created? its not a natural disaster...it dun surface by itself...it is created by HUMANS
show us the book of accounts like what Ong TC requested .. anyway nvr like to talk about politics nvr ending.
rattydrama
29-04-11, 11:41
ministerial pay system again? hehe:hell-hath-no-fury:
i wud love to see it revised too!:hell-hath-no-fury:
cannot forgive them for earning such high pay. not only few ministers but how many huh? anyone can do a sum and see how much is the damage?
I read lim H K earning 1.8m a year? what about perks?
devilplate
29-04-11, 11:45
logical or not its another side to the coin.
1st time buyer find it difficult to cope with the current high price. they would want to see the price to drop. so BMT heard it and came up with all sorts of CMs.
masses buy for self stay and not for investment so they dont pay much attention to the price. ppty in the earlier days still appreciates but at a reasonable pace, there are not many cashing profits.
and i am sure you know why the ppty price chiong so high over the last 3 years. its not healthy.
:2cents:
now bcoz everything is rising....yes wat u say its true....but not all i agree...but doesnt matter bcoz my opinion DOESNT MATTER:D
if GE is held in 08.....we have different sets of issues:p
ppty in the earlier still appreciates but at a resonable pace.....? u sure? how early u mean? only between 1999 and 2006??? sorry lor, HDB px was FLAT during tat period.... how about 1980s to 1997??:tongue3:
show us the book of accounts like what Ong TC requested .. anyway nvr like to talk about politics nvr ending. Agreed that its never ending therefore there's never ending election for people to voice opinions.... Once in 5 years... If can end, then its communism... govt say yes.... the people will also say yes...
devilplate
29-04-11, 11:48
cannot forgive them for earning such high pay. not only few ministers but how many huh? anyone can do a sum and see how much is the damage?
I read lim H K earning 1.8m a year? what about perks?
politics by itself is DIRTY!
how many ppl suffered in USA....homes r foreclosed....unemployment shoot up to 10%....many homeless.....whr all these $$$ goes to??? is this tat kind of so call 1st world parliament we really WANT????????
devilplate
29-04-11, 11:50
Agreed that its never ending therefore there's never ending election for people to voice opinions.... Once in 5 years... If can end, then its communism... govt say yes.... the people will also say yes...
communism.....everyone equal rights equal pay !!! hehe....no poor nor rich.....all EQUAL!
politics by itself is DIRTY!
how many ppl suffered in USA....homes r foreclosed....unemployment shoot up to 10%....many homeless.....whr all these $$$ goes to??? is this tat kind of so call 1st world parliament we really WANT????????I don't think WP is advocating that sort of 1st world govt. Their system is vastly different from ours. Theirs only 2 party... ours is multi parties. Got loads of checks and balances available. Furthermore, our country so so small... what happens at Tampines is known instantly in Jurong.
devilplate
29-04-11, 12:02
I don't think WP is advocating that sort of 1st world govt. Their system is vastly different from ours. Theirs only 2 party... ours is multi parties. Got loads of checks and balances available. Furthermore, our country so so small... what happens at Tampines is known instantly in Jurong.
u oredi agree we r so so small and so so different from other countries....and YET there r ppl who always compare SG with other 1st world countries.....
u oredi agree we r so so small and so so different from other countries....and YET there r ppl who always compare SG with other 1st world countries.....Agreed... :doh: Cannot compare lah.. china just send 1% of their millionaires to buy houses in Singapore, our home prices will climb 20% overnight le... How to compare? Its only how much our dear ministers will do to ensure Singapore stays afloat! :spliff:
i am totally not convinced by OPP party's proposals on HDB new flats pricing mechanism so far
i am looking at policies....i dun care who propose it be it PAP or OPP
it will be a disaster if new flats r priced according to median wages or even worse if priced at cost+plus:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
i am wondering how they going to do it too? Let's bring it one step further, say dawson new flats
5room 600k less 20% = 480k,
4room 440k less 20% = 350k.
Fringe area, near mrt, the demand is going to be hot right? Oversubscribe & everyone wants a piece of it, then ppl may complain gov didn't build enough, then outskirt area new HDB who buy? :confused: :confused:
not so easy leh :beats-me-man:
i am totally not convinced by OPP party's proposals on HDB new flats pricing mechanism so far
u have not seen the other one. some one proposed to change all HDB to freehold title ! :scared-4:
u have not seen the other one. some one proposed to change all HDB to freehold title ! :scared-4: :scared-1:.. govt lose big time man.. how to approve??? :tsk-tsk:
A good way to bring down HDB prices is to propose just leasehold of 60 years coz hardly anyone can finish 60 years lah.. by the time you can buy new HDB, you're in your 20s or 30s. Add 60 years, you're in your 80s and 90s... good enough lah and trust me... if given a choice, your kids will not want to stay in a 50 year old HDB for 2 simple reasons...1) Then prices will be depreciating like crazy so sitting on negative asset le. 2) New HDB would look so much more appealing than 50yr old ones... Anyway, govt seldom let a building remain so long.. structurally unstable to house 200 families le... Hmmm....
u have not seen the other one. some one proposed to change all HDB to freehold title ! :scared-4:
Well then the owners have to cough up money for improvements and what will happen when the building is really old and crumbling?
At least if HDB is the leaseholder, you can have upgrading which is subsidised and SERS to get you a new flat when it's too old.
Don't think that owning a freehold HDB is a good thing. Better in this case to let the Govt foot the bills if they people living there are not likely to have the means to do so.
rattydrama
29-04-11, 16:01
politics by itself is DIRTY!
how many ppl suffered in USA....homes r foreclosed....unemployment shoot up to 10%....many homeless.....whr all these $$$ goes to??? is this tat kind of so call 1st world parliament we really WANT????????
at this juncture it is still about checks and balance from the opp. WP said it and I think it is reasonable.
your comparison is on the extreme at this current situation, pap will not allow that to happen since they will continue to be the ruling party.
but pap must take care of the masses not only people in this forum.
do they worth that much money a year to run this country? certaintly i think it is too much for my standard but its all in the hands of the voters every 5 year.
rattydrama
29-04-11, 16:04
if one day MBT step down, hope the situation is for the better and not worst for current multiple ppty owners.
Geylang OKT
29-04-11, 16:14
Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices! :D :D :D
Well then the owners have to cough up money for improvements and what will happen when the building is really old and crumbling?
At least if HDB is the leaseholder, you can have upgrading which is subsidised and SERS to get you a new flat when it's too old.
Don't think that owning a freehold HDB is a good thing. Better in this case to let the Govt foot the bills if they people living there are not likely to have the means to do so.
then why ppl still complain? do u find such quality public house in other country?
devilplate
29-04-11, 16:54
at this juncture it is still about checks and balance from the opp. WP said it and I think it is reasonable.
your comparison is on the extreme at this current situation, pap will not allow that to happen since they will continue to be the ruling party.
but pap must take care of the masses not only people in this forum.
do they worth that much money a year to run this country? certaintly i think it is too much for my standard but its all in the hands of the voters every 5 year.
PAP will not allow tat to happen? not unless u wana let them continue to be the ruling party rite?
Voting is secret...supposedly even ur spouse shd not noe who u vote for rite?
everyone ideally wants a so call 1st world parliament rite? check accountability rite? so wat happens if PAP lose more den 50% of the seats?:scared-1:
dun say it will nvr happen bcoz there is no way we can calibrate the election outcome according to our wishes.....bcoz voting is secret!
PAP will not allow tat to happen? not unless u wana let them continue to be the ruling party rite?
Voting is secret...supposedly even ur spouse shd not noe who u vote for rite?
everyone ideally wants a so call 1st world parliament rite? check accountability rite? so wat happens if PAP lose more den 50% of the seats?:scared-1:
dun say it will nvr happen bcoz there is no way we can calibrate the election outcome according to our wishes.....bcoz voting is secret!
Actually if PAP 49%, WP 25%, SPP, 10%, SDP, 10%, RP 6%, then PAP will beg RP to form coalition gov..., still in power..., maybe not as no one want to join with them....:D
devilplate
29-04-11, 17:29
Actually if PAP 49%, WP 25%, SPP, 10%, SDP, 10%, RP 6%, then PAP will beg RP to form coalition gov..., still in power..., maybe not as no one want to join with them....:D
more likely for all the OPP to merge:scared-1:
So many fearmongering and extreme examples here that does not match reality.
PAP can make Earth rotate backwards.
Opposition will make Earth explode.
:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Geylang OKT
30-04-11, 00:15
So many fearmongering and extreme examples here that does not match reality.
PAP can make Earth rotate backwards.
Opposition will make Earth explode.
:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices! :D :D :D
Vote Opposition! Vote for lower property prices! :D :D :D
no need so troublesome, u can start by selling it cheap to me.
:simmering: PAP can move house prices through their "subsidiaries". For example if Opp win Bishan-TP, Mr Liew and his gang can launch their Bishan condo at LOW prices which would drag down the prices of the rest of Bishan property. However, they are a public-listed company. Their shareholders would suffer (or is the majority of shares held by Govt in one form or another?). Not likely to do that? Who knows? :simmering:
hee....anyway market forces will dictate. They will all be snapped up and subsales going higher and higher like crazy ignoring SSD. So I guess it won't work.
Geylang OKT
30-04-11, 08:58
:simmering: PAP can move house prices through their "subsidiaries". For example if Opp win Bishan-TP, Mr Liew and his gang can launch their Bishan condo at LOW prices which would drag down the prices of the rest of Bishan property. However, they are a public-listed company. Their shareholders would suffer (or is the majority of shares held by Govt in one form or another?). Not likely to do that? Who knows? :simmering:
hee....anyway market forces will dictate. They will all be snapped up and subsales going higher and higher like crazy ignoring SSD. So I guess it won't work.
Aiya why so difficult? Just Vote Opposition in that locality and the property prices will go lower all by itself! :D :D :D
Want to vote opposition and hope property prices still can maintain meh? :p :p :p
devilplate
30-04-11, 08:59
:simmering: PAP can move house prices through their "subsidiaries". For example if Opp win Bishan-TP, Mr Liew and his gang can launch their Bishan condo at LOW prices which would drag down the prices of the rest of Bishan property. However, they are a public-listed company. Their shareholders would suffer (or is the majority of shares held by Govt in one form or another?). Not likely to do that? Who knows? :simmering:
hee....anyway market forces will dictate. They will all be snapped up and subsales going higher and higher like crazy ignoring SSD. So I guess it won't work.
i dun understand wat message u r trying to deliver:confused:
WP is working hard on the ground. The team contesting Aljunied GRC are just outside Macdonald.
i dun understand wat message u r trying to deliver:confused:
devilplate
30-04-11, 09:10
WP is working hard on the ground. The team contesting Aljunied GRC are just outside Macdonald.
tats early!
clap clap!
and i hope they stop shouting 1st world parliament......can only manage to stir up 3-min emotions.....
very nice slogan by using 1st world! all citizens feels they r upper class or simply da BEST!!
Geylang OKT
30-04-11, 09:12
tats early!
clap clap!
and i hope they stop shouting 1st world parliament......can only manage to stir up 3-min emotions.....
very nice slogan by using 1st world! all citizens feels they r upper class or simply da BEST!!
1st world parliament? Want the co-driver to slap the driver? End up like Taiwan poitics thench how? :D :D :D
i dun understand wat message u r trying to deliver:confused:
That it is possible for property prices in Bishan to be brought downwards by Capitaland if they should choose to launch their condo at low prices. In the event that Opp win in Bishan-TP that could be cited as an example how being in an Opp GRC can lead to dropping property prices in that GRC.
Geylang OKT
30-04-11, 09:18
That it is possible for property prices in Bishan to be brought downwards by Capitaland if they should choose to launch their condo at low prices. In the event that Opp win in Bishan-TP that could be cited as an example how being in an Opp GRC can lead to dropping property prices in that GRC.
No. It is the quality of maintenance or lack of maintenance (perceived or otherwise) that will bring property prices down for the area.
Not possible. Capitaland is a listed company and has to answer to all share holders including Temasek holding.
That it is possible for property prices in Bishan to be brought downwards by Capitaland if they should choose to launch their condo at low prices. In the event that Opp win in Bishan-TP that could be cited as an example how being in an Opp GRC can lead to dropping property prices in that GRC.
kingkong1984
30-04-11, 09:43
Bid for next plot cheap and average out prices, can be possible.
Can also average out land holdings in other parts of Singapore.
Not possible. Capitaland is a listed company and has to answer to all share holders including Temasek holding.
Are the directors of Temasek holding pro-PAP? :p
Who is holding the driver's seat for condo prices in Bishan?
It's not the small shareholders in the street.
Of course if PAP wins in Bishan-TP that will be a different matter. THe sky's the limit for launch prices of the Capitaland condo.
kingkong1984
30-04-11, 09:54
It's precisely that kind of reasoning that victims fell prey.
The eagle will have it's meal.
U know what is dollar cost averaging? U know what is land cost averaging? Also TH also made huge investments losses right? Dun be too naive.
;)
What do you think? President is also a white-man as I attended a close-door session with him and white-man before he is the president. Just to clarify, I was just curious at that time and want to see what they do in YP. Even drank tea and eat tiong bahru pao with the Minister for Health then in round table discussion. But it was not cup of tea.
Are the directors of Temasek holding pro-PAP? :p
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