View Full Version : Future of Car Parks:Mechanical Parking VS Surface Parking Preference.Which is Better?
Just want to seek opinions on future of car parks in Singapore.
Many agents told me the same thing.
The future of Singapore Car Parks will be mechanical parking and surface parking (including multi-storey car parks) will be slowly phased out and be extinct in Singapore.
When I go showflats, I realised many developments are offering mechanical car parks these days.
Agents to told me shopping malls, public car parks, HDB car parks all will become mechanical in future. This is due space constraints.
I thought my agents are working as fortune tellers as part time jobs as I had my doubts.
I did not park mechanical parking before but being machines, the wear & tear will cause more problems than surface parking in future.
Breakdowns and jams in mechanical parking can be a nightmare I suppose like ordinary elevators.
What are your thoughts and preference in car parks ?
Which do you think is better ?
Does type of car parks play a role in the decision to buy the development ?
for the same area, which one can park more cars?
for the same area, which one can park more cars?
I suppose is mechanical parking or else developers will not introduce this type of parking.
Main reason is save lots of space more than surface parking.
Many agents told me it is the trendy thing and it is a lifestyle privilege.
I did not know car parks also is part of lifestyle and privilege and branded.
I suppose is mechanical parking or else developers will not introduce this type of parking.
Main reason is save lots of space more than surface parking.
Many agents told me it is the trendy thing and it is a lifestyle privilege.
I did not know car parks also is part of lifestyle and privilege and branded.
Sure, look at Hamilton Scotts. the good thing is the car park is in front of your unit. the bad thing is you have to pay for car park space (i think).
I think there was another KL condo that has same feature.
Mechanical car parks - Save space for developers to build to sell for more $$$, shift the cost of maintenance to you owners! Win-win for developers! :rolleyes:
Wait till a person and his/her car get trapped in that car lifts at night when there is no mechanical car-park technician to come to rescue (as if getting trapped in a passenger lift is already not bad enough, see Nex Shopping Mall). :nuked: In such situation, even if you are $BILLIONAIRE so what? Offer the mechanical car-park technician $1m to get him wake up from his sleep and free you? :scared-1::D
The future of car parks will become all Mechanical car parks only when all those property owners are so stupid to buy such projects! :doh:
So can't understand why have people buy such Mechanical car park projects. Take lift need to wait for lift, take car lift also need to wait for car lift. They are the type who enjoy waiting? :banghead:
Just want to seek opinions on future of car parks in Singapore.
Many agents told me the same thing.
The future of Singapore Car Parks will be mechanical parking and surface parking (including multi-storey car parks) will be slowly phased out and be extinct in Singapore.
When I go showflats, I realised many developments are offering mechanical car parks these days.
Agents to told me shopping malls, public car parks, HDB car parks all will become mechanical in future. This is due space constraints.
I thought my agents are working as fortune tellers as part time jobs as I had my doubts.
I did not park mechanical parking before but being machines, the wear & tear will cause more problems than surface parking in future.
Breakdowns and jams in mechanical parking can be a nightmare I suppose like ordinary elevators.
What are your thoughts and preference in car parks ?
Which do you think is better ?
Does type of car parks play a role in the decision to buy the development ?
How fast can the car be parked? Not sure if this is the bottleneck with all wanting to park or leave the carpark during peak period.
Geylang OKT
21-02-11, 09:44
Save space. Think build a landed property as opposed to builing a condo on the same site :D
Mechanical carpark is very slow and breaks down quite often if not maintained well. I will not go for projects with mechanical carpark. Covered surface carpark at ground level is still the best.
The more parts and components, it is more borne to breakdown and maintenance. Plus the start up cost is built in the selling price…For commercial building, where the tenants are a lot, it may make sense for mechanical parking For a condo, how many unit for a condo will be ? developer will maximize the area to sell more unit…
Normal parking just walk to your car, and move off…that easy…
I don’t think a mechanical parking has any selling value to me.
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Normal parking just walk to your car, and move off…that easy…
I don’t think a mechanical parking has any selling value to me.
in hamilton scotts, your guests can admire your car. hope nobody accidentally press the gas pedal while up in the sky, like a few cases that happened in MSCP.
I would suggest to the developer to make a turntable in the car porch. so the car can spin round and round to the "aahhhhs" of your guests.
Covered surface carpark at ground level is still the best.You prefer that to underground? Assuming no flood problems.
in hamilton scotts, your guests can admire your car. hope nobody accidentally press the gas pedal while up in the sky, like a few cases that happened in MSCP.
I would suggest to the developer to make a turntable in the car porch. so the car can spin round and round to the "aahhhhs" of your guests.
Hee hee…..It is the mechanism that impressed the guests, I would preferred that the car that make the impression.
Yes,. Safety is a concern too…
You prefer that to underground? Assuming no flood problems.
The walls of underground carpark have to be waterproofed, else they will crack and leak. In addition, you need heavy duty ventilation system to keep the carpark cool plus the chance of ponding during heavy rain.
Wild Falcon
21-02-11, 16:20
Hey, don't confuse mechanical parking with parking your car right at your house to admire hor like Hamilton. Mechanical parking is the type u see in Japan - you can't admire your car - it is stored in a storeroom kind of box with cars stacked very close to one another and dun need to build ramps and roads in the carpark and thus save space. U bring your car into a cargo lift. And the cargo lift slowly deliver your car to storage. It's quite slow and often breaks down. Once break down - that is it. Singapore is not that land scarce lah. Its definitely faster and more convenient if you could just step into your car and drive off. There are already some apartments in Katong area with mechanical parking because there is no land for anything to begin with.
Sure, look at Hamilton Scotts. the good thing is the car park is in front of your unit. the bad thing is you have to pay for car park space (i think).
I think there was another KL condo that has same feature.
Mechanized parking is normally used when there is no choice, usually in very small plots of land. Eg Robinson suites. The lots are so small that you do not get much space left after fitting in a ramp to get up and down.
On the issue of waiting time, look at it this way: the time you spend driving up the ramp, finding a lot, walking out of the Carpark, walking back to find your car, getting out of the Carpark etc, is probably the same amount of time spent waiting for the system to park and retrieve the car. It’s just that we do not perceive it as waiting while we are going through the process.
Geylang OKT
21-02-11, 16:37
One good example is the M-Park @ Club Street (opp Far East Square) :tongue3:
If it breakdown, your day r screw. I avoid mechanical carpark projt, which are mainly mm units:) :)
mechanical carpark usually has how many lifts?
any standard ratio? like 2 car lifts for 50 parking spaces?
Wild Falcon
21-02-11, 20:31
I don't which condo u stay but for many condos with basement carpark, u just have to take the lift down to the basement, walk to your car (park near lobby) and drive out. I think only 1-2 minutes. In the case of a mechanised car park, u need to take a lift down, walk to the retrieval zone , key in the lot number, queue for your turn (assuming your neighbour is in front), wait for the lift to retrieve your car and after the car comes down, it has to turn around at the turntable at a snail pace if you've seen it before. After that, then u can get into the car, start the engine and queue to get out of your car park. Surely this can't be the same speed?
Mechanized parking is normally used when there is no choice, usually in very small plots of land. Eg Robinson suites. The lots are so small that you do not get much space left after fitting in a ramp to get up and down.
On the issue of waiting time, look at it this way: the time you spend driving up the ramp, finding a lot, walking out of the Carpark, walking back to find your car, getting out of the Carpark etc, is probably the same amount of time spent waiting for the system to park and retrieve the car. It’s just that we do not perceive it as waiting while we are going through the process.
I don't which condo u stay but for many condos with basement carpark, u just have to take the lift down to the basement, walk to your car (park near lobby) and drive out. I think only 1-2 minutes. In the case of a mechanised car park, u need to take a lift down, walk to the retrieval zone , key in the lot number, queue for your turn (assuming your neighbour is in front), wait for the lift to retrieve your car and after the car comes down, it has to turn around at the turntable at a snail pace if you've seen it before. After that, then u can get into the car, start the engine and queue to get out of your car park. Surely this can't be the same speed?
Don't know? just speculating....:beats-me-man:
But been to some multi-storeyed carpark where you go round and round looking for a lot.... and round and round back down again.... especially the HDB ones....:(
Condo Kaiser
21-02-11, 21:06
I for one would definitely prefer the mechanical carparks. (provided it doesn't break down)
But only concern is that if people get too used to the help of machines, no one would know how to park a car normally.
But most singaporeans don't know how to/refuse to park their cars properly anyway. Everyone seems to think they drive a Hummer and require 1.5 lots.:mad:
Geylang OKT
21-02-11, 21:10
I definitely, totally, irrevocably, abhor mechanical car parks :doh: :banghead: :D :scared-4: :scared-1:
What if i left something inside the car and just want to quickly grab it... sounds a little inconvenient...
we r first world country.. we just abolished tv n radio licenses.. n we r land scarce.. yup we r heading mechanical parking.. lolz
Geylang OKT
21-02-11, 22:23
Are you guys property agents trying to sell mickey mouse apts with mechanized carparks? ;) ;) ;)
I remembered I went viewing at a mm unit in telok kurau... Agent kept avoiding my qns about carpark. Until I found out later its mech cp system. Hahahaha.... :D
So ya... its in telok kurau now.... slwly but surely... it will be a "hit":D
devilplate
21-02-11, 22:49
maintenance cost cud be quite high.....
shd set min 500sqft....den dun have this kind of problem liao as developer cannot squeeze out so many units on a small piece of land
Condo Kaiser
21-02-11, 22:54
Agree with 500 sqft. Anything smaller should be banned or attract a higher tax/stamp duty.
I think HSBC don't even loan to applications for units smaller than 500 sqft. They deem it to be too risky.
Studio units needs to be 500 sqft and up,
if the machine breaks down like the lift, then you got to take the taxi??
Geylang OKT
22-02-11, 05:18
Honest mistake, let's move on :D
Wild Falcon
22-02-11, 09:31
Hmm.. good one. Never thought of that. A lot of people use their car as mini storeroom. Mechanised car park means cannot do that oredi. A lot of older condos have many lots, so parking is never a problem. But for those new condos with insufficient lots (d'Leedon?), might be better to have mechanised carpark that gives more lots than everyday fight for lots.
What if i left something inside the car and just want to quickly grab it... sounds a little inconvenient...
From response, I conclude most prefer old fashion surface parking over mechanised parking.
Is it possible to lobby government to ban mechanised parking from Singapore for good ?
devilplate
22-02-11, 11:18
From response, I conclude most prefer old fashion surface parking over mechanised parking.
Is it possible to lobby government to ban mechanised parking from Singapore for good ?
shd ban building MM below 500sqft first:2cents:
NZ oredi done so but abit too late rite? ban unliveable MMs b4 its too late:scared-3:
shd ban building MM below 500sqft first:2cents:
NZ oredi done so but abit too late rite? ban unliveable MMs b4 its too late:scared-3:
I agree with you on this.
I do not want Singapore properties to be another Japan or Hong Kong.
We seems to be heading towards that path of Japan and Hong Kong and point of no return.
It will be more difficult to raise families in smaller apartments if majority of apartments in future are so small.
Who is always complaining about low birth rates ? :doh:
devilplate
22-02-11, 11:26
I agree with you on this.
I do not want Singapore properties to be another Japan or Hong Kong.
We seems to be heading towards that path of Japan and Hong Kong and point of no return.
It will be more difficult to raise families in smaller apartments if majority of apartments in future are so small.
Who is always complaining about low birth rates ? :doh:
too add:
bann less den 500sqft units and limit the percentage of 1/2bedders in every project....for eg: 100 units in a project....shd only allow mabe max 20% or less for 1bedders.....:2cents:
really so sick of seeing many projects consists of majority 1bedders....:doh:
Condo Kaiser
22-02-11, 11:32
Totally agree with above 2 posts.
MM is causing much of the imbalance in singapore property market.
devilplate
22-02-11, 11:34
Totally agree with above 2 posts.
MM is causing much of the imbalance in singapore property market.
it will destroy the whole ppty landscape as well:doh:
I agree with you on this.
I do not want Singapore properties to be another Japan or Hong Kong.
We seems to be heading towards that path of Japan and Hong Kong and point of no return.
It will be more difficult to raise families in smaller apartments if majority of apartments in future are so small.
Who is always complaining about low birth rates ? :doh:
Price to pay for rapid growth and development. We are already paying for it with the low fertility rates. Importing FTs is just a short term solution, and will perpetuate the problem of an aging society.
I don't think high net-worth/well educated FTs would be breeding like rabbits in S'pore. Once they are here and integrated into local society the mentality would be the same...
(eg. if too many rabbits then would not fit into crowded bus/mrt, buy car too expensive, got traffic jam and cannot find parking spot somemore... so how ? have less rabbits lor..)
There is a need to strike a balance between growth and development, cannot run a country like a corporation.
devilplate
22-02-11, 11:54
Price to pay for rapid growth and development. We are already paying for it with the low fertility rates. Importing FTs is just a short term solution, and will perpetuate the problem of an aging society.
I don't think high net-worth/well educated FTs would be breeding like rabbits in S'pore. Once they are here and integrated into local society the mentality would be the same...
(eg. if too many rabbits then would not fit into crowded bus/mrt, buy car too expensive, got traffic jam and cannot find parking spot somemore... so how ? have less rabbits lor..)
There is a need to strike a balance between growth and development, cannot run a country like a corporation.
tough to balance lor....hopefully sg govt is working hard on it! limit COEs is the very first step...i rather to have vy high COE den to have jams everywhr and deteoriating air quality......clap clap:cheers6:
Honest mistake, let's move on :D
err.. what's up with the "Honest mistake, let's move on"?:D :cheers1:
y do i see this quote in every active thread?
too add:
bann less den 500sqft units and limit the percentage of 1/2bedders in every project....for eg: 100 units in a project....shd only allow mabe max 20% or less for 1bedders.....:2cents:
really so sick of seeing many projects consists of majority 1bedders....:doh:
Good one. It also serve to prevent rocketing psf due to price quantum thus inviting more cooling measures.
Also soaring psf will lead to lower rental yield unless we can get tenants who is willing to match the same rental yield against the soaring psf...:2cents:
proud owner
23-02-11, 07:32
Price to pay for rapid growth and development. We are already paying for it with the low fertility rates. Importing FTs is just a short term solution, and will perpetuate the problem of an aging society.
I don't think high net-worth/well educated FTs would be breeding like rabbits in S'pore. Once they are here and integrated into local society the mentality would be the same...
(eg. if too many rabbits then would not fit into crowded bus/mrt, buy car too expensive, got traffic jam and cannot find parking spot somemore... so how ? have less rabbits lor..)
There is a need to strike a balance between growth and development, cannot run a country like a corporation.
this is how our govt runs this country
they said run it like a enterprise ..so have to pay corporate salary ...
proud owner
23-02-11, 07:35
too add:
bann less den 500sqft units and limit the percentage of 1/2bedders in every project....for eg: 100 units in a project....shd only allow mabe max 20% or less for 1bedders.....:2cents:
really so sick of seeing many projects consists of majority 1bedders....:doh:
regardless the size .. be it <500 sqft or <600 sqft
there are simply too many MM units
i thot you own almost all MM units ??? why change stance ?
right from the start i shun MM units and go for big ones .. still feel the same
to be a 2 bedder 1200 sqft will be perfect
how did mechanised carpark goes to anti-mm ? :D
proud owner
23-02-11, 09:52
how did mechanised carpark goes to anti-mm ? :D
referring to me ??
i never liked mm right from start
referring to me ??
i never liked mm right from start
not referring to you or anybody in particular. just that the thread is mechanical parking vs surface parking. suddenly hijacked by anti-MMers.
MCM.... not here to defend MMs?
proud owner
23-02-11, 10:48
not referring to you or anybody in particular. just that the thread is mechanical parking vs surface parking. suddenly hijacked by anti-MMers.
MCM.... not here to defend MMs?
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sorry about that
was just replying to someone who talked about MM on this thread ..
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this is how our govt runs this country
they said run it like a enterprise ..so have to pay corporate salary ...
Goverment can give all the Bird Talk (jiao wei) they want.
Whether you accept/believe or reject/don't believe the Bird Talk is your responsibility.
Like the example below: Since when Seafood is cheaper than Poultry ??
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1780385
MP for Jurong GRC Halimah Yacob, who will ask Trade and Industry Minister Lim Hng Kiang how the Government is tackling the situation, said more can be done to educate people on eating less-costly alternatives.
'For example, the price of chicken may be rising fast, but we can encourage Singaporeans to turn to alternative sources of protein, such as fish,' she told The Straits Times yesterday.
not referring to you or anybody in particular. just that the thread is mechanical parking vs surface parking. suddenly hijacked by anti-MMers.
MCM.... not here to defend MMs?
MM supporter here:D
Do we want more regulations? don't we have enough already?
If MMs are distorting the market data. come up with a new set of data... one for units above 500sqm and another for below 500sqm.
For those who are questioning the real demand for MMs is. Let the completed MMs show what the real demand is. Let those who bought 300sqm MMs test the market. Banning MMs is not the solution.:mad:
rattydrama
23-02-11, 18:52
Totally agree with above 2 posts.
MM is causing much of the imbalance in singapore property market.
LTA, URA, HDBs and other A**** need to set down and address this issue.
rattydrama
23-02-11, 18:53
err.. what's up with the "Honest mistake, let's move on"?:D :cheers1:
y do i see this quote in every active thread?
this is a quote from our SM sometimes back. A mistake is a mistake where got honest mistake...........???:banghead: :banghead:
Geylang OKT
23-02-11, 21:27
this is a quote from our SM sometimes back. A mistake is a mistake where got honest mistake...........???:banghead: :banghead:
"Honest mistake, let's move on" :cheers1: :D
i.e. A mistake that is neither malicious, nor ill conceived nor deliberate, but nevertheless a mistake :cool: :ashamed1: ;)
err.. what's up with the "Honest mistake, let's move on"?:D :cheers1:
y do i see this quote in every active thread?
Geylang OKT
23-02-11, 21:39
If you really must know where the phrase came from... well....
it came about during the legal wrangle between IDA and SingTel. IDA overcompensated SingTel for the loss in market share to the tune of S$388m when the market liberalised.
Ahem... SingTel won the suit :D
regardless the size .. be it <500 sqft or <600 sqft
there are simply too many MM units
i thot you own almost all MM units ??? why change stance ?
right from the start i shun MM units and go for big ones .. still feel the same
to be a 2 bedder 1200 sqft will be perfect
Too many MMs will spoil his market ;)
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Like the example below: Since when Seafood is cheaper than Poultry ??
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1780385
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'For example, the price of chicken may be rising fast, but we can encourage Singaporeans to turn to alternative sources of protein, such as fish,' she told The Straits Times yesterday.
I guess you are not that old yet :D.
ages ago, seafood is cheaper than poultry.
Geylang OKT
26-02-11, 06:11
I guess you are not that old yet :D.
ages ago, seafood is cheaper than poultry.
My chickens are all fresh too :D
not referring to you or anybody in particular. just that the thread is mechanical parking vs surface parking. suddenly hijacked by anti-MMers.
MCM.... not here to defend MMs?
Busy la was overseas on business. Whats there to defend??? I happily enjoying my high rental yield... Now that int rate trending even lower even better...
If the mechanical parking is located at first 3 levels of the condo and 4th to 8th are resident units. do u think the top floor residents will be affected by noise? I am just wondering if there is any pulley system/machine built at the roof top like a lift shaft altought the carpark is level 1 to 3 only.
buttercarp
06-02-13, 09:55
If the mechanical parking is located at first 3 levels of the condo and 4th to 8th are resident units. do u think the top floor residents will be affected by noise? I am just wondering if there is any pulley system/machine built at the roof top like a lift shaft altought the carpark is level 1 to 3 only.
It should not be a problem.
One of my room toilet is adjacent to the lift.
In that room, I cannot hear any noise from the lift.
But in the toilet, I can hear the lift sound, but it is not unpleasant.
It should not be a problem.
One of my room toilet is adjacent to the lift.
In that room, I cannot hear any noise from the lift.
But in the toilet, I can hear the lift sound, but it is not unpleasant.
wah, hearing sounds while doing 'big business' ain't so conducive leh.... :D
My friend's apartment mech capark was jammed on a friday evening (cos a car din park properly and got stucked). There was no technical support over the weekend, so he only get to retrieve his car the following monday.
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