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mr funny
08-12-10, 22:29
http://www.straitstimes.com/Singapore/Story/STIStory_610213.html

Dec 4, 2010

Our First Home

Measures to cool market put resale flats within reach of first-time buyers

By Jessica Cheam & Daryl Chin


RECENT measures to cool the property market have received mixed reactions from home owners, but one group that has emerged better off comprises the young, first-time home buyers.

Property agencies and agents interviewed by The Straits Times say this group is returning to the Housing Board resale market, lured by the softening of cash premiums asked by sellers.

Dennis Wee Group director Chris Koh said the number of young buyers approaching the company's agents has started to rise.

'Young buyers now seem more keen to commit to a resale flat, instead of only new flats,' he said.

PropNex chief executive Mohamed Ismail agreed, noting that more young buyers have approached his agents, as resale flats are now increasingly within their budgets.

'Before the measures, many sellers were quite unrealistic and asking for high cash premiums. Since then, they have become more reasonable in their prices,' he said.

The public housing boom of the past two years had priced many first-time buyers out of the resale market. Most opted to buy cheaper new flats directly from the Housing Board.

But the trend seems to be reversing somewhat.

Application numbers at fresh launches under the Housing Board's Build-To-Order scheme have been lower than those at the launches before the cooling measures were announced in August.

At the recently concluded sale of Yishun Greenwalk, for example, there were about three bids for every new flat - lower than the six bids on average seen at previous launches.

Analysts say the key reason for this is that cash-over-valuation (COV) figures have fallen. COV is the amount over and above the valuation of a Housing Board resale flat. This is payable only in cash, and a major financial barrier for young married couples eager to buy a home.

Agency bosses said that, based on the latest Housing Board figures, the median COV has declined from $30,000 for the third quarter to about $20,000 to $25,000 in October and last month, based on their resale sales data.

National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan confirmed last week that Housing Board figures show that the median COV fell to $25,000 in October.

Industry analysts say the fall in COVs is most pronounced in suburban estates like Yishun, Sembawang, Bukit Batok, Jurong East and Jurong West.

They are also coming down for bigger flat types, such as five-room and executive flats.

ERA Asia-Pacific associate director Eugene Lim said an executive flat in Jurong, for example, used to command from $40,000 to $45,000 cash upfront, but the figure has now gone down to $30,000.

Mr Kelvin Teo, 28, and his wife Alberta, 21, for example, recently managed to buy a four-room flat in Bukit Panjang at a COV of $11,000 - much lower than the median amount (see story above).

This is in stark contrast to just six months ago, when the recovery of the economy and the property market pushed median COV levels to as high as $50,000 to $60,000 in mature estates such as Queenstown, putting the flats out of reach of most first-time buyers.

This had prompted many such buyers to complain via letters to the press and online feedback about the affordability of Housing Board flats.

In late August, the Government moved to stabilise the market by tightening rules on financing and home ownership. For example, private property owners were no longer allowed to simultaneously own Housing Board flats.

But even though COV levels have softened, agency bosses warn that they have to fall further before more first- time buyers can benefit.

Even at COV levels of $20,000 to $25,000, some first-timers - who may be just starting out in their careers - still may not be able to afford resale flats, said Mr Lim.

'There's a limit to how much these young buyers can fork out, unless they have parental support,' he added.

The absolute price of a flat also counts.

'Even if COV decreased by about $10,000 or more, it's still only a marginal 1 per cent to 2 per cent decrease in Housing Board resale flat prices,' said Mr Ismail.

Manager Valda Lee, 28, and her fiance are one such couple still waiting for COVs to fall in the estates which they want to live in.

New flats are not an option for the couple because they exceed the $10,000 household income ceiling which makes them eligible for higher-end executive condos or Design, Build and Sell units offered by the Housing Board.

'We are basically stuck, because the COVs for the places I looked at are at killer levels - $40,000 or more,' she said.

But Mr Lim added that even though valuations have not fallen drastically, the recent measures have at least helped to allay concerns of first-timers.

'Runaway prices seem to have been kept in check for now,' he said.

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mr funny
08-12-10, 22:29
http://www.straitstimes.com/Singapore/Story/STIStory_610221.html

Dec 4, 2010

More choices for 'sandwich class'


IT WAS a five-year wait that eventually bore fruit for Mr Ang Tiong Wei.

After unsuccessfully balloting for new flats directly from the Housing Board for the past few years, the 30-year-old finally clinched a unit at the newly launched Esparina Residences executive condominium in Sengkang last month.

Aggressive moves by the HDB to ramp up supply have seen new executive condominiums (ECs), such as Esparina and The Canopy in Yishun, launched recently.

The last EC launched was in 2005. There had been a hiatus in the building of ECs due to weak demand.

But the recent housing boom led the Government to release more land for ECs, which are a hybrid of public and private housing and include some condominium facilities. They are subject to HDB rules, such as a minimum five-year occupation period.

These units are targeted at helping the middle-income earners, also known as the sandwich class, by catering to households with a monthly income ceiling of $10,000.

Mr Ang, a teacher, said he gave up looking for resale flats as the cash upfront demanded by sellers, known as COV, was as high as $80,000 in some areas.

'I decided that an EC unit was the best choice, and I waited for the new supply,' he said.

The primary school teacher, whose wife is also a teacher, said he felt lucky to have secured a unit of his choice on the 14th storey.

'It was the first launch in a while, so the response was overwhelming,' he said. But the allocation of 95 per cent of the units for first-timers helped a great deal, he added.

'This measure helps because we don't have investors coming in to spoil the market.'

Prices, however, could have been lower, he felt. His three-bedroom, 1,184 sq ft unit cost $929,000 - or $899,000 after taking into account a Central Provident Fund housing grant of $30,000 that he received.

mr funny
08-12-10, 22:30
http://www.straitstimes.com/Singapore/Story/STIStory_610219.html

Dec 4, 2010

Couple snag affordable unit after two-year quest


CIVIL servant Kelvin Teo and his wife have been looking for their dream home for almost two years.

But the experience was discouraging, with flat sellers wanting high cash amounts upfront, also known as cash-over-valuation (COV).

But that was before Aug 30, when cooling measures kicked in. These have shifted market dynamics in the couple's favour.

Mr Teo, 28, and his wife Alberta, 21, finally snagged a four-room unit in Bukit Panjang in September for $340,000. The price included a low $11,000 premium.

They preferred resale flats over new ones because those under the HDB's build-to-order (BTO) scheme typically take three years to finish, a wait they felt was too long.

Said Mr Teo: 'The major hindrance was the COV. Flipping through the papers, I could see some of the numbers were getting ridiculous, at more than $50,000.'

They grabbed the four-room flat in Bangkit Road when it came along. 'Though it was more than 20 years old, it was decent and something we could afford,' he said.

The couple, who have a seven-month-old son and a monthly household income of less than $3,500, also had additional help from the Government in the form of a $50,000 housing subsidy.

Mr Teo said the measures to curb speculation in the resale market had helped: 'Before the new measures, high COVs were common. But now I see maybe about three out of 10 sellers demanding a COV of less than $15,000. And that's a good sign.'

DARYL CHIN

azeoprop
09-12-10, 00:17
"Prices, however, could have been lower, he felt. His three-bedroom, 1,184 sq ft unit cost $929,000 - or $899,000 after taking into account a Central Provident Fund housing grant of $30,000 that he received."

:scared-3: He could have bought a 3bedroom unit at 8@W a year ago for the same price.
Or the Quartz next door for 600psf last year!:scared-1:
So what has he been doing considering he was searching for 5 years?:beats-me-man:

taggy
09-12-10, 02:02
"Prices, however, could have been lower, he felt. His three-bedroom, 1,184 sq ft unit cost $929,000 - or $899,000 after taking into account a Central Provident Fund housing grant of $30,000 that he received."

:scared-3: He could have bought a 3bedroom unit at 8@W a year ago for the same price.
Or the Quartz next door for 600psf last year!:scared-1:
So what has he been doing considering he was searching for 5 years?:beats-me-man:

must be keep waiting for price to drop until give up waiting :p

sleek
09-12-10, 08:19
Another one who missed the boat? :doh:


must be keep waiting for price to drop until give up waiting :p

teddybear
09-12-10, 08:26
Waiting for the price to cool down before they buy. They want to be sure that the price is definitely and securely intact on uptrend before they buy as this way they felt their investment/purchase is most secure and has most value when paying a high price (as long as they buyer cheaper than a month ago they are very happy). :p

Many OCR buyers now have such mentality as well. Price gone up already then sure must buy because sure go up more! (Some people here are encouraging this! :banghead:).

Many potential CCR buyers have such mentality as well. Price haven't skyrocketed up, cannot buy yet :doh:. Must wait till go up above 2007 peak then can buy! :cheers1:


"Prices, however, could have been lower, he felt. His three-bedroom, 1,184 sq ft unit cost $929,000 - or $899,000 after taking into account a Central Provident Fund housing grant of $30,000 that he received."

:scared-3: He could have bought a 3bedroom unit at 8@W a year ago for the same price.
Or the Quartz next door for 600psf last year!:scared-1:
So what has he been doing considering he was searching for 5 years?:beats-me-man:

jitkiat
09-12-10, 08:56
IMO, HDB price is not sustainable if salary growth does not catch up in next few years. At 1997, starting salary for a graduate about 2.5k... now almost the same but price of resale HDB has gone up by 40% above 1997's peak. At that time, buying a 340k HDB with grant of 35k just need to borrow 260k for 30y with monthly CPF payment of 1k .... now the same HDB cost 480k-500k !!!

Price of property has made it impossible for wife to take care of the kid, joining the workforce is a financial necessity now.

devilplate
09-12-10, 09:01
IMO, HDB price is not sustainable if salary growth does not catch up in next few years. At 1997, starting salary for a graduate about 2.5k... now almost the same but price of resale HDB has gone up by 40% above 1997's peak. At that time, buying a 340k HDB with grant of 35k just need to borrow 260k for 30y with monthly CPF payment of 1k .... now the same HDB cost 480k-500k !!!

Price of property has made it impossible for wife to take care of the kid, joining the workforce is a financial necessity now.

how u get ur 40%?:confused: :beats-me-man:

latest index 167.8

previous peak was actually in 4th qtr 1996 at 136.9

its around 23%....

poor gets poorer....very simple...

u oredi said salary not much increase for the past decade and look at our yrly inflation.....

jitkiat
09-12-10, 09:07
how u get ur 40%?:confused: :beats-me-man:

latest index 167.8

previous peak was actually in 4th qtr 1996 at 136.9

its around 23%....

poor gets poorer....very simple...

u oredi said salary not much increase for the past decade and look at our yrly inflation.....

Your index is a lagging indicator friend ...

devilplate
09-12-10, 09:08
Your index is a lagging indicator friend ...

not MY index....i jus pluck from hdb website

http://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10321p.nsf/w/BuyResaleFlatResaleIndex?OpenDocument#Detail

so u mean HDB index lag by so MUCH!:scared-1:

jitkiat
09-12-10, 09:12
not MY index....i jus pluck from hdb website

http://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10321p.nsf/w/BuyResaleFlatResaleIndex?OpenDocument#Detail

so u mean HDB index lag by so MUCH!:scared-1:

Recently, a low floor, 13y old 5-room HDB near Simei MRT was sold at 600k, it is in HDB website. Guess I have to agree with you not every HDB flat will have price growth of 40% ... only those near MRT/good location.

devilplate
09-12-10, 09:20
Recently, a low floor, 13y old 5-room HDB near Simei MRT was sold at 600k, it is in HDB website. Guess I have to agree with you not every HDB flat will have price growth of 40% ... only those near MRT/good location.

of coz...tats y ppty is LOCATION X3 hehe

some HDB flats rose about 70-100% since 1st qtr of 2007 till now whereas others rose about 40-50% only

Allthepies
09-12-10, 10:16
IMO, HDB price is not sustainable if salary growth does not catch up in next few years. At 1997, starting salary for a graduate about 2.5k... now almost the same but price of resale HDB has gone up by 40% above 1997's peak. At that time, buying a 340k HDB with grant of 35k just need to borrow 260k for 30y with monthly CPF payment of 1k .... now the same HDB cost 480k-500k !!!

I beg to differ; maybe the starting salary for a private sector graduate is stagnant; however public sector starting pay is increasing; it was like 2.7k a few years ago but heard it hit 4k now :D 50% rise :scared-4: so the government is indirectly "pushing" up the resale prices.... :2cents:

teddybear
09-12-10, 10:32
You heard only? Sure or not about the figure? I heard that if you are not a scholar, have 1st class honors, $3.2k only lah (unless you are a "blah blah blah" scholar and $5 million per year is the limit).


I beg to differ; maybe the starting salary for a private sector graduate is stagnant; however public sector starting pay is increasing; it was like 2.7k a few years ago but heard it hit 4k now :D 50% rise :scared-4: so the government is indirectly "pushing" up the resale prices.... :2cents:

Allthepies
09-12-10, 10:58
I heard that if you are not a scholar, have 1st class honors, $3.2k only lah (unless you are a "blah blah blah" scholar and $5 million per year is the limit).

3.2k is 5 years ago. 4k-4.2k is the new starting pay for 1st class honors. (regardless u r a "blah blah blah" scholar or not) :)

devilplate
09-12-10, 11:26
3.2k is 5 years ago. 4k-4.2k is the new starting pay for 1st class honors. (regardless u r a "blah blah blah" scholar or not) :)

serious? 5yrs ago dun even have 3.2k wor.....more like 3k only

taggy
09-12-10, 11:55
3.2k is 5 years ago. 4k-4.2k is the new starting pay for 1st class honors. (regardless u r a "blah blah blah" scholar or not) :)

then i always see comments like, property keep increasing, worry for the next generation, but the fact is, each generation earn more than previous leh :2cents:

jitkiat
09-12-10, 21:53
Grads are expecting almost $3,000 as starting pay this year (2010).

With the economy doing better this year, salary expectations among entry-level graduates from local universities are higher than before.

According to a survey conducted by campus recruitment agency JobsFactory this year, the average expected monthly basic salary as stated by respondents was $2,923, up by $118 from $2,805 last year.

Top graduates who obtained at least a second class upper honours degree said they expected basic salaries of at least $3,089, which represented a 4.9 per cent increase from last year.

The survey also revealed that 75 per cent of fresh graduates are open to accepting contract-based job offers.

jitkiat
09-12-10, 22:01
According to the HES report, the average monthly household income of families staying in private housing is $17,795/mth.

Families staying in landed properties make an average of $20,427/mth, while those in private apartments (including condos) earn an average of $16,311/mth.

If you and your spouse earn far below these amounts, you have to at least be aware that you will be far below average.

If you stay in HDB or plan to buy a bigger HDB flat, here are the numbers for you to do the comparisons:

1- and 2-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $1,186
3-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $3,503
4-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $5,114
5-room and Executive HDB flats (including maisonettes) – average monthly household income is $8,177

devilplate
09-12-10, 22:36
landed only 20k pa??? but landed ppty so so exp!:scared-1:

azeoprop
10-12-10, 06:58
Families staying in landed properties make an average of $20,427/mth, while those in private apartments (including condos) earn an average of $16,311/mth.


Oh no, I am below average! :(

rattydrama
10-12-10, 07:46
should breakdown into district than we will see that the average is indeed not an average. :scared-5:


According to the HES report, the average monthly household income of families staying in private housing is $17,795/mth.

Families staying in landed properties make an average of $20,427/mth, while those in private apartments (including condos) earn an average of $16,311/mth.

If you and your spouse earn far below these amounts, you have to at least be aware that you will be far below average.

If you stay in HDB or plan to buy a bigger HDB flat, here are the numbers for you to do the comparisons:

1- and 2-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $1,186
3-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $3,503
4-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $5,114
5-room and Executive HDB flats (including maisonettes) – average monthly household income is $8,177

2824
10-12-10, 08:43
What does HES stand for?:ashamed1: Also do they list the median, as average tend to be distorted by extreme figs.


According to the HES report, the average monthly household income of families staying in private housing is $17,795/mth.

Families staying in landed properties make an average of $20,427/mth, while those in private apartments (including condos) earn an average of $16,311/mth.

If you and your spouse earn far below these amounts, you have to at least be aware that you will be far below average.

If you stay in HDB or plan to buy a bigger HDB flat, here are the numbers for you to do the comparisons:

1- and 2-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $1,186
3-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $3,503
4-room HDB flats – average monthly household income is $5,114
5-room and Executive HDB flats (including maisonettes) – average monthly household income is $8,177

jitkiat
10-12-10, 09:35
HES (Household Expenditure) is from our government (singstats):

See the attached table and conclude for yourself

Basically if your household income is below 8k yet you stay in private housing ... you are considered very special.

teddybear
10-12-10, 09:51
How about those <$1k income and living in private properties? :D


HES (Household Expenditure) is from our government (singstats):

See the attached table and conclude for yourself

Basically if your household income is below 8k yet you stay in private housing ... you are considered very special.

jitkiat
10-12-10, 09:53
How about those <$1k income and living in private properties? :D

These are 天公仔 :D

scsc
10-12-10, 12:49
How about those <$1k income and living in private properties? :D

What's your income? : Less than SGD$1k
What's your residence? : pte property
What's your job? : laundry man :scared-1:
What's your hobby? : buy 4D/toto

teddybear
10-12-10, 12:52
You make a mistake? :D
What's your job? : Shake leg. :scared-1:


What's your income? : Less than SGD$1k
What's your residence? : pte property
What's your job? : laundry man :scared-1:
What's your hobby? : buy 4D/toto

focus
10-12-10, 13:44
How about those <$1k income and living in private properties? :D

They say average is $16k.
So your household income is $1k .. but another household income is $31k, the average household income of people staying in condos are $16k monthly loh..hehe.

devilplate
10-12-10, 13:54
many retiree staying in pte aso wat

land118
10-12-10, 14:22
many retiree staying in pte aso wat

such retirees...income zero, but million$ in bank

DC33_2008
10-12-10, 16:46
Some retirees could have bought their landed properties for only x amount but now worth more than 50x.

land118
10-12-10, 16:51
Some retirees could have bought their landed properties for only x amount but now worth more than 50x.

U r spot on. 50x is quite correct over 30-40 years period. About right, 1970s- till now..50x

devilplate
10-12-10, 18:45
wah so many rich retirees here:cool:

azeoprop
10-12-10, 18:48
U r spot on. 50x is quite correct over 30-40 years period. About right, 1970s- till now..50x

Hopefully 30 years down the road, I will be one of them. :o

devilplate
10-12-10, 18:49
Hopefully 30 years down the road, I will be one of them. :o

ooo u aso miss landed boat...hehe same same....boat of no return?:scared-5:

DC33_2008
10-12-10, 22:32
60s till now is about 80 - 100x.

land118
10-12-10, 22:57
60s till now is about 80 - 100x.
Agree, $20k 'ang mo chu' landed then, now $2mil+

DC33_2008
11-12-10, 07:04
FH commercial land bought in 60s in city fringe is at least 250x. Invest in FH landed properties. Rich gets richer. LH landed will be a problem 40 years later.
Agree, $20k 'ang mo chu' landed then, now $2mil+

land118
11-12-10, 09:13
FH commercial land bought in 60s in city fringe is at least 250x. Invest in FH landed properties. Rich gets richer. LH landed will be a problem 40 years later.

Agree, FH or 999 withstand the test of time, ESP if to stay and pass down to next generation- an Asian mentality.

DC33_2008
11-12-10, 10:00
URA has relaxed the rules quite a lot in the reconstruction of landed properties in the last 10 years.
Agree, FH or 999 withstand the test of time, ESP if to stay and pass down to next generation- an Asian mentality.